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    Quote Posted by mizo (here)
    How many forum members can watch RT News in their in their own location without using a vpn?

    It's even been removed from YouTube for viewing in the UK

    [tweet snipped - see above]

    Even tweeting the news site comes with a warning
    What a disgrace - 'they' treat the public like we are children or complete idiots -

    The 'West' is on a very slippy slope to dangerous authoritarianism - but what chance have we got when politicians are just going along with the Globalists Official Narrative and not even trying to understand the bigger picture - this in the House of Commons is a worrying sign - can they all be ignorant of the facts leading up to this crisis...?



    Standing ovation in UK parliament for the Ukrainian ambassador

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    Hi Friends,

    This whole propaganda bs is getting lazy and rather ridiculous.

    The person from this image is a Serbian actor, Dragan Bjelogrlić.

    Image was screenshot-ed our of a movie called "Lepa sela lepo gore", made more than 20 years ago.

    This **** is getting silly.

    Kind regards..

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    British Prime Minister Boris Johnson was confronted by a hysterical Ukrainian 'journalist' at a news conference in Warsaw on Tuesday . The woman, Daria Kaleniuk, condemned in an emotional speech that the Russian Roman Abramovich, at the time still the owner of Chelsea, was not subject to British sanctions.

    “You are not coming to Lviv because you are afraid. Because NATO does not want to defend Ukraine , because it is afraid of World War III. But it has already started. You are talking about Roman Abramovich, but he has not yet been sanctioned. His children are not being bombed, his children are in London. Putin's children are in the Netherlands, in Germany," she said.

    (Video removed? Click here...) The Dutch media eagerly took over. Shortly afterwards, Abramovich announced that he would sell Chelsea after 19 years.

    Daria Kaleniuk turns out to be a slave to World Economic Forum founder Klaus Schwab. She is one of the Young Global Leaders appointed by the WEF to help bring about the Great Reset, writes The National Pulse . Her profile is on the organization's website.


    In 2019, Kaleniuk was featured as a 'supporter' of Joe Biden in an interview with ABC News. A year later, she appeared in a Biden campaign video.
    • Iraq
    The emotional performance of the woman is reminiscent of the testimony of the Kuwaiti girl Nayirah before the start of the first Gulf War. Nayirah stated that Iraqi soldiers in Kuwait took babies out of the incubators and left them on the cold hospital floor for dead.

    The testimony later turned out to be fake. Nayirah was hired by an American PR agency.

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    Quote Posted by mizo (here)
    How many forum members can watch RT News in their in their own location without using a vpn?

    It's even been removed from YouTube for viewing in the UK

    https://twitter.com/camacassie/statu...13837316657157


    Even tweeting the news site comes with a warning
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    Some feedback from Ecuador... I can see https://rt.com and the RT YouTube channel just fine. (Still!) Here's one RT video that's interesting:

    First Victim of Ukraine conflict: The Truth


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    Does anyone know more about this threat from Putin to publish fresh evidence of the 9/11 event including satellite images?

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    Quote Posted by Mike Gorman (here)


    Does anyone know more about this threat from Putin to publish fresh evidence of the 9/11 event including satellite images?
    Seems like an old rumor from 2015, addressed in 2016.

    https://www.indiatimes.com/news/worl...es-261621.html

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    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...-steps-ukraine

    https://tomluongo.me/2022/03/02/open...moves-ukraine/


    Quote Opening Salvos Thrown – What Are Putin’s Next Steps in Ukraine?


    Date: March 2, 2022
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    Last week I wrote that Russian President Vladimir Putin rewrote the rules for the geopolitical game board. A week into his campaign to officially “demilitarize and de-Nazify Ukraine” it’s clear to me that Putin’s ambitions lie far beyond this stated goal.

    He will, however, stick to that script until that part of the campaign is complete.

    Today I want to start outlining where we go next and to do that we have to describe where we are.

    Looking around the reports that are the most credible (and properly bracketing for any partisanship) we are staring at a complete, effective neutralization of the Ukrainian Armed Forces (UAF) to hold any of the ethnically-dominant areas of Ukraine.



    In a post for my patrons on February 25th, responding to an excellent article by Alistair MacLeod I wrote the following:

    MacLeod: Both sides probably do not know how fragile the Eurozone banking system is, with both the ECB and its national central bank shareholders already having liabilities greater than their assets. In other words, rising interest rates have broken the euro system and an economic and financial catastrophe on its eastern flank will probably trigger its collapse.

    I’ve been banging my shoe on this table for 3 years now. If the US/NATO respond with some kind of guerilla war here to hang Ukraine like an albatross around Putin’s neck, as we should expect, then Europe is in big trouble financially.

    Because the financial war will keep escalating as Putin responds militarily. Remember, he’s openly threatened the ‘decision makers’ here. And no amount of mealy-mouthed CIA/MI6 disinformation will deter him from action anymore.

    This is always what I meant by “spooks start civil wars, militaries end them.” There is no more War for Ukraine.


    I still believe that. This isn’t a war for Ukraine, it’s a war for the future of the entire world. Ukraine represents the hill both Davos and Russia have chosen to live or die on.

    The Afghanistan Gambit

    Davos has refused to let President Zelensky surrender because if he does then legally there is no more war to sanction Russia with. It’s not Putin’s War at that point, it is a settled conflict and terms negotiated.

    At that point what’s left of Ukraine can be carved up into pieces. It’s way to early for that to occur, so you’ll see constant threats of peace talks, but that’s only to assuage the fears of the capital markets, which is where Davos has the most control over the situation.

    The primary goal of the information war from the West is to push capital markets as far in its favor as possible, keeping things within the bounds of the ‘acceptable’ to avoid any short-term pain. Gold is still under it’s all-time high, which is just hilarious.

    That said, in that same post I put up this map of a future Ukraine which I felt, conservatively, would be in effect by the end of this year. Events are moving far faster than that, however.



    Chernihiv and Sumy are also in play, as is Lviv as a bargaining chip to Poland. As Fmr. Col. Douglas Macgregor pointed out on Fox News recently, everything east of the Dnieper River will become part of a new Novorussia, if not part of the Russian Federation.

    Clearly this is Putin’s initial goal, the partitioning of Ukraine. He’s moved militarily, the EU and the rest of the West have responded financially. Their hope is to turn Ukraine into a quagmire, a la Afghanistan (per Hillary Clinton’s recent remarks), which they hope Russia will not be able to sustain after being choked off from the global economy.

    The financial sanctions regime put in place so far are brutal but also full of holes wide enough for Putin to maneuver within and around because of the well understood facts of Russia’s dominance as a global supplier of life-sustaining commodities for the entire world.

    This is an asymmetric war.

    There isn’t much farther the West can go financially. They’ve seized Bank of Russia foreign assets, for pity’s sake. What other weapons do they really have in their arsenal which can threaten Russia with?

    They have, in effect, executed their nuclear first strike against Russia. Once you’ve gone nuclear, where do you go next? Real nukes? Yes, that’s a possibility, sadly, given the people we’re talking about.

    On the other hand, Russia has so far only committed the necessary troops to neutralize Ukraine. So, in this respect, big advantage Russia.

    Facts on the ground are facts. Russia has taken territory it can maintain. By not targeting civilians or civilian infrastructure, Russia has put itself in a very good position to not face an insane insurgency which the West can finance in the way that it has in past conflicts.

    Much of NATO’s in-country assets have been neutralized. And you know this because the propaganda and rhetoric have been so thoroughly crude, cartoonish and strident. Again, ask why the financial and informational war has been so intense?

    Is it because the West thinks it’s winning or because it’s trying desperately to pivot domestic populations to solidarity after losing massive credibility during the last year with COVID-19 related lockdowns, vax passes, and the unpersoning of whole swaths of Western society?

    The Real Russian Cauldron

    Now let’s ask the next question that keeps coming up.

    Why has Putin not shut off the gas to a Europe that is rapidly running out of it?

    Because to do so would target civilian populations. If he’s not targeting civilians in Ukraine to minimize their anger at being invaded, then why would he use that weapon now against civilians in Germany who hold the key to getting overthrowing the insane politicians and oligarchs who provoked this war in the first place?

    It doesn’t make any strategic sense. It also speaks to a kind of confidence in Russia’s military position in Ukraine, thereby lending credence to the reports that Russia is achieving her strategic goals on the ground in Ukraine.

    Okay, that’s the lay of the land.

    So, what are Putin’s real goals? Like I said at the outset, nothing less than breaking the back of Davos and their agents in the US/UK who have tormented Russia for more than a century.

    How does he achieve that goal?

    Putin is creating incontrovertible facts which his opponents must respond to. Again, he’s setting the operational tempo, like I said last week.

    Their counter-moves are insipid and predictable. Ukraine has asked for admission into the EU. The EU is open to this. Georgia is now doing the same thing. Turkey is livid. Hungary is not getting involved.

    No one is willing to actually send arms to Ukraine.

    What does the EU achieve by adding Ukraine? Do they think because they signed a piece of paper with a person who is de facto not in charge of his country going to change the facts on the ground there?

    Do they still think “stroke of the pen, law of the land, kinda cool” matters at this point?

    Because if the EU accepts Ukraine into its ranks, then it will be responsible for the next stage of escalation, not Putin. It will then have to figure out how to oust the Russians from their territory.

    Last night President Sundowner made the entire US State of the Union about Ukraine. Do they really think a president with an approval rating that is, at best 37%, capable of marshalling the US into fighting a war for Europe against Russia after bankrupting us with NATO for three generations?

    If they are, they are more delusional than even I’ve contemplated at this point.

    Is NATO prepared to expand now into Ukraine under the umbrella of EU membership? If so,

    What’s obvious to me is the neocons and neoliberals controlling the West think they can turn Ukraine into a quagmire for Putin, but what if Putin thinks he can turn Ukraine into a quagmire for them?

    Russia is not capable of conquering Europe. But he doesn’t need to to defeat them. He just needs to create a version of the map I posted above.

    The Limits of Money Wars

    f Putin and Russia have achieved, or are about to achieve, all of their military goals in Ukraine, what do they do to secure those gains?

    They have to neutralize the financial war waged against them and create an environment where Europe spends money it doesn’t have, with failing political capital domestically, and bankrupts them completely.

    And the first move along those lines was just announced by the Russian Finance Ministry today (VPN and Deepl translator needed).



    What does this mean? It means simply that Russia has now, in effect, begun the remonetization of gold for domestic purposes. By removing the VAT on gold purchases Russian citizens can now offset their currency risk with gold and stabilize the domestic monetary situation.

    The first step in offsetting financial warfare from the West is allowing the domestic population to be immune to collapses in their currency from foreign actors pulling capital out of the country. Companies doing international business now have an alternative to hold time deposits which are far less volatile than the ruble without penalty. Gold becomes the coin of Russia’s international business.

    It’s the beginning of the process of draining physical gold from the global market and control over its price by the ponzi schemes that are the COMEX and the LBMA.

    This is a first step in rebuilding confidence in the Russian banking system rather than what we’re seeing in the West which is the ritualistic assault on privacy, wealth generation and the value of our labor, which is degrading rapidly thanks to inflation, which will rage from here as all energy and commodity markets are scared to death of Davos’ financial war on Russia.

    As Luke Gromen pointed out on Twitter this is the big signal that the petrodollar system is headed for the ashbin of history.


    < tweet not inserted >

    With the global oil market in a complete state of shock as no one wants to run afoul of US and/or EU sanctions on Russian energy, the price of oil here potentially goes parabolic. At that point reality hits the money masters squarely in the face.

    Those that brave the waters will get their oil at a steep discount, those that don’t will pay through the nose, further accelerating the decline of those economies as inflation spirals out of control and the people put the blame, not on Putin, but on the people in charge.

    Moreover, Russia has kept the gas flows going to ensure that money keeps flowing into the country to finance further expansion of its gold reserves.

    The current shock will abate. Russia is not Iran. It can insure its own tanker fleet. It can deliver the oil. If Iran could survive what Trump did to them, Russia can thrive under this new regime, changing the entire flow of capital around the world.

    Now, I want to turn your attention to the other news of which further corroborates that Davos and Europe are trapped. FOMC Chair Jerome Powell testified today telling the world that the Fed will still hike 25 basis points in March. Bullard came out and said the Fed has to withdraw accommodation to maintain its credibility.

    Further Powell blamed both the Fed and Congress for inflation. It’s a result of too much spending.

    Powell even floated the idea that the world can have more than one reserve currency (!!). Meanwhile Biden is talking about bringing back Build Back Better and sending us down the road to financial ruin.

    The fight between Davos and the Fed, which I identified last summer is real, folks. That leaves a belligerent yet impotent Europe caught between the Scylla of a Fed drying up the global supply of dollars and the Carbides of a Russian military capable of withstanding anything Europe throws at them if the US doesn’t get involved, i.e. this doesn’t go nuclear.

    NATO isn’t getting involved in Ukraine even if Ukraine becomes an EU member. They can have the landlocked rump of what’s left over. If Putin is smart, which he is, he will offer the Poles Lviv and Hungary Transcarpathia. The EU gets the dregs.



    It’s clear from the wailing and gnashing of the Neocon/Neolibs that they want Putin Milosevic’d for daring to put them in this position. They still dream of overthrowing him. It’s also clear that there are a lot of people who are not down with the willful destruction of the current global economy within the upper reaches of US policy makers and European corporate boards.

    This is the real fight for the future and if Davos thinks extreme demand destruction will be tolerated for any length of time over a regional conflict like Ukraine because it’s their ox being gored, then this war, while still raging is, in effect, already over.

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    Catching up with the thread just now, I checked and can pull up RT site and RT youtube channel. I use Duck Duck Go (DDG) as my search engine, and am using Gab's Dissenter as a browser which was built on top of the Brave browser open source package.

    Also, the map above is from Andrei's articles at The Saker for anyone who wants to go to the original source and follow his daily updates. (Although, I feel Tom Luongo is a solid commentator, too. I laughed at his 'Calvinball' analogy in his previous article. Of Calvin and Hobbes cartoons)

    *********

    Quote Posted by shaberon (here)
    What I don't understand is how anyone interior to this circus--sometimes called "Zone A"--can stomach it. Most of the few people I talk to, don't go for it so much. Who are the addicted zombies? I guess I am surrounded, but it is hard to tell.
    shaberon, if you read this, you seem familiar with The Saker. How would you describe the term 'Zone A' media?

    Would it be something like legacy media, or corporate media, or does it have a more nuanced meaning within the Saker community?

    Or does it encompass an arena that is larger than media?
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    Some feedback from Ecuador... I can see https://rt.com and the RT YouTube channel just fine. (Still!) Here's one RT video that's interesting:

    First Victim of Ukraine conflict: The Truth


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    Quote Posted by mizo (here)
    How many forum members can watch RT News in their in their own location without using a vpn?

    It's even been removed from YouTube for viewing in the UK

    [...]
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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    The Chinese are getting more vocal on the matter.


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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    Posted at The Saker today,

    Lavrov gives interview to Russian and foreign media


    (starts at 35.44)

    Quote Foreign Minister Lavrov gave an interview to Al-Jazeera TV channel, Moscow, March 2, 2022
    Major topics:
    🔹 Ukraine after 2014
    🔹 #RussiaNATO relations
    🔹 Special military operation in Ukraine
    🔹 Ukraine and nuclear weapons
    🔹 #NordStream2
    🔹 Western #sanctions
    🔹 Russia’s position in negotiations with Ukraine
    🔹 Prospects for conflict settlement
    The link is here but I have not been able to access it. https://is.gd/IKkafa
    There is work being done in Russia to re-establish world communication. RT reported that they are posting their LIVE broadcast on Rumble, and a few broadcasts are up already: https://rumble.com/vwbbjn-putin-anno...-coverage.html
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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    Oil price is stabilizing TODAY at 115!
    (Putin's army must be taking a day off.)

    Seems like every time Putin launches a new initiative, the price shoots higher and he is rewarded with extra foreign currency.

    Yes, that's correct, the spice is still flowing to/from Russia to the "free world".
    What kind of war is this?

    If Putin is a graduate from the WEF and is still with the program, this would be a way, despite sanctions, to make sure russia doesn't go insolvent during the:
    "Forget Covid, hold my beer and Watch This WAR!" campaign.

    Imagine if your going broke selling widgets and every time you hit another guy in the nose, the price of your widgets skyrocket. What's a guy to do?

    Is this nothing but a Shakespearean Tragedy we are witnessing?

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    ...

    ... Lt Col Roy Potter agreeing with Col. Macgregor:

    Wednesday 2 Mar 2022 Update 46:05

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    CrossTalking with Ted Seay, Daniel McAdams, and Maxim Suchkov.

    Russia’s military operation in Ukraine has changed the world in many ways. It is forcing the US and its allies to rethink and reassess global security. This is as it should be. After all, the post-Cold War era is over. What will replace it is still a question mark.

    https://rumble.com/vw8eg1-crosstalk-changed-world.html

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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    From Bob Greenyer's awesome blog that typically focuses exotic vacuum objects and is an AMAZING resource for people interested in physics, I'm just including a letter from a Ukranian scientists he included at the end of his blog post, the whole thing is worth reading though.

    https://remoteview.substack.com/p/no...lack-and-white

    Thoughts on the events in Ukraine
    Alexander Parkhomov, Scientist and Author, February 28th, 2022

    My father is Ukrainian, from the Poltava region. This is the very center of Ukraine. My wife has close relatives living in Donbass, and we know what is really happening there. It is clear that I cannot be indifferent to the recent events in Ukraine. I have been interested in history since childhood and closely follow political events, so I can claim to be objective.

    It is amazing how the current mass media can distort the public consciousness! "There are flags of Ukraine on all public buildings in the Czech Republic." Well, how not to support Ukraine - "the last line of defense of the democratic world from the autocratic and aggressive Putin regime in Russia."

    In fact, as a result of the violent overthrow of the legitimate government in Ukraine in February 2014, anti-Russian nationalists came to power, brutally suppressing any dissent. This is by no means "Putin's propaganda." This is the tragedy of Ukraine. And not only Ukraine, but also Russia and Europe. The first decree abolished the law on "regional languages", which allowed the official use of the Russian language at least at the local level. Now in institutions, schools, even shops, it was allowed to communicate only in Ukrainian. Education in any languages other than Ukrainian and English is prohibited. And this is despite the fact that almost half of people in Ukraine consider Russian to be their native language. Many people calls their native Ukrainian, but in order to speak Ukrainian, they have to translate from Russian in their minds. This is a gross outrage on the deep essence of people.

    I like the Ukrainian language. Ukrainian songs are especially good. But nothing comparable to the works of Пушкин, Dostoevsky, Tolstoy, Chekhov was created in this language. The Ukrainian language is in no way adapted for scientific publications.

    Russian language people are now being forced to abandon the Russian language and Russian culture. Is it any wonder that the people rebelled in the east, south of Ukraine and in the Crimea, where Russian-speaking people live. The reason for this was, of course, not Putin, but the actions of the regime in Kiev. Putin and Russia need, if not a friendly, then at least a neutral Ukraine. But it became extremely hostile after the coup d'etat.

    I have been to Crimea many times and I know well that Crimeans have never considered themselves Ukrainians, and Crimea's belonging to Ukraine was considered a misunderstanding. It was immaterial in the time of the unified Soviet Union. But after the collapse of the Union, when the policy of forced ukrainization began, discontent became universal. After the nationalist coup, the situation became critical, a referendum was held in Crimea, and the dream of Crimeans to reunite with Russia finally came true. The unanimity of the Crimeans and the support of Russia allowed this revolution to be carried out bloodlessly. Such is the annexation and occupation. Now Crimea is actively developing. The Crimean Bridge, a new airport, high-quality roads have been built. The most difficult problem of fresh water shortage has been solved. This problem arose due to the fact that the Kiev regime, shortly after the separation of Crimea, blocked the North Crimean Canal, which provided 85% of the water needed by Crimea. It is very important that now the city of Russian glory Sevastopol will not become a NATO naval base.

    The situation in the South-east of Ukraine is much more complicated . Not only Donbass, but Kharkiv and Odessa were ready to secede from Ukraine and even become part of Russia, like Crimea. But the problem was that there was no such unanimity as in Crimea. And most importantly, there was no decisive support for Russia. Russia does not seek to increase its territory. It is already the biggest country.. Russia does not need coal - the main wealth of Donbass. Coal is already plentiful in Russia. At the same time, in the case of the separation of the South-East in the authorities in Ukraine, there would be no counterweight to anti-Russian nationalists. The protests against the Kiev authorities did not find active support and were brutally suppressed in Kharkiv, Mariupol, Odessa. But in Donbass, on May 11, 2014, local activists managed to hold a referendum on independence, and the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics were proclaimed the next day. There was a hope that they would be recognized by Russia and receive support. But that didn't happen. I assume that Putin hoped that as a result of the presidential elections on May 25, a prudent politician who would be able to solve the problems that arose would be in power. Poroshenko, who promised to establish peace in a few days, won. He is a wealthy businessman and an experienced politician who held leading positions in the government of Ukraine before the coup. After winning the election, he began "peacemaking" using tanks and aircrafts. But unexpectedly met with resistance from the militia, mainly miners. The fighting was especially fierce in the summer of 2014 and in January- February 2015. Under the threat of the complete defeat of the Ukrainian troops, Poroshenko agreed to sign documents with representatives of the People's republics providing for a cease-fire, the withdrawal of heavy weapons and the granting of the status of autonomy to the People's republics within Ukraine (the "Minsk agreements"). These documents were adopted as the basis for a peaceful settlement and were approved by a UN Security Council resolution.

    However, it turned out that Poroshenko signed the Minsk Agreements only in order to stop the fighting, which threatened the Ukrainian army with complete defeat. In fact, for many years, no real actions have been taken by the Ukrainian side to implement the Minsk agreements. The most terrible thing that the shelling, including heavy equipment, continued almost daily for many years, and the targets in the people's republics were mainly residential buildings, schools and civilian infrastructure facilities. As a result, 14,000 people were killed, mostly civilians, including many children. Such actions belong to the category of crimes against humanity. These and many other crimes of the Kiev regime will undoubtedly be investigated and the perpetrators will be severely punished.

    In April 2019, Zelensky was elected president of Ukraine, promising peace in the Donbass, curbing corruption and infringing on oligarchs. A talented comic actor and film producer, he turned out to be a helpless politician. Implementation of the Minsk agreements was finally blocked due to categorical disagreement to negotiate with representatives of the people's republics. The terrible shelling of civilians in Donbass has not stopped.

    The Kiev regime was given a chance to stop the war and return Donbass into Ukraine. It was only necessary to follow the path indicated in the Minsk agreements. Therapy was offered. Now it is clear that only a surgical operation can cure the patient.

    Let's try to understand how this Ukrainian ulcer was formed. Let's turn to history. In the IX century, a Russian state was formed with two centers: in Kiev and in Novgorod. This state has adopted Christianity. The Russian principalities stretched from the Black Sea in the south to the White Sea in the north. Their prosperous existence was interrupted by the invasion of Batu's hordes in 1238. The Russian principalities in the north, although they suffered greatly, were preserved. Kiev was destroyed to the ground, and for almost 700 years there was no independent state on this territory at all. The "Zaporozhye Cossacks" mastered this space - militant detachments of surviving Russians who continuously fought with the Turks, then with the Crimean Tatars, then with the Poles. This continued until the Cossacks, led by Bogdan Khmelnitsky, asked the Russian tsar Alexei Mikhailovich to take the territory, which they began to call "Ukraine" (i.e., the outskirts), under their patronage. After much hesitation (as it threatened a severe war with Poland), the decision was made. In 1654, Ukraine became part of Russia.

    For the first time, the independence of Ukraine was proclaimed in early 1918 after the revolution in Russia, but before the end of 1918 it was occupied by German-Austrian troops. Then the civil war began, and in 1920 the western part of Ukraine, including Kiev, was occupied by Poland. In December 1922, Ukraine became part of the USSR, and the territories with the Russian population (Donbass, Odessa) were included in the east and south of Ukraine. This was done on Lenin's instructions in order to increase the industrial potential of Ukraine and provide access to the sea. In 1939 the territory of Ukraine, in accordance with the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, expanded to the west, on the territories of the former Russian Empire, conquered by Poland in 1920. In 1945, the TransCarpathian region was added to Ukraine. And finally, in 1954, on the initiative of Khrushchev, Crimea was transferred to Ukraine. It is paradoxical that the current Ukrainian nationalists have destroyed monuments to Lenin, curse Stalin, and call the USSR an evil empire. But without these "gifts" the territory of Ukraine would be several times smaller. Most likely, a country with such a name would not exist at all.

    So, Ukraine, similar to a patchwork quilt, was artificially created in the first half of the 20th century as part of the USSR. It had many attributes of a sovereign state: parliament, government, even representation in the UN. It had a developed agriculture, a powerful industry, including high-tech (of which now there is little left) and a high standard of living.

    After Ukraine gained full independence in 1991, there was a problem of retaining several regions with very different traditions and mentality in a single country. It would be logical in this case to build a country on a federal principle, such as, for example, the USA, Germany, Switzerland, Russia. But the ideological vacuum after the destruction of the USSR was filled by revived nationalism, which practically disappeared in Soviet times. Under the influence of nationalists (mainly from western Ukraine) the country has taken the path of creating a unitary state. To implement such a path, they began to get rid of everything that is not Ukrainian. Forced ukrainization was succeeding badly. After all, Ukraine had no history of its own, except as part of the USSR. The nationalists had to invent it. It turned out something like this.

    There was a great people "Ukry", the progenitors of all peoples. It was they who created Kievan Rus, which later received the name "Ukraine". Wild tribes in the north stole the name "Rus". But in fact they are Ugro-Fino-Tatar "moskals". They enslaved and robbed real Russians in Ukraine. They staged a "Holodomor" and the best Ukrainians were exiled to Siberia. But Ukrainians have always fought against the damned moskals . The heroes of this struggle are Bandera and Shukhevych (leaders of Ukrainian nationalists during the Second World War, who killed tens of thousands of civilian Poles and Jews). A happy life will come when we finally drive out the moskals, re-educate those who sympathize with them, destroy those who do not obey. In Europe, too, they do not like moskals. Europe will help us. We will join the EU and NATO, we will live richly, and no moskals will dare to touch us. Surprisingly, there are some people who believe in this nonsense. As Goebbels said, "the more monstrous the lie, the easier it is to believe in it".

    Of course, there are few such primitive-minded people, but they are fanatically active, do not disdain to use any dirty means. They intimidated the people and took control of the government and Parliament.

    It is absurd, but NATO countries and the European Union support this disgusting Nazi Kiev regime. Why is this occur? I think it's like this.

    During the Cold War, NATO emerged. The reason for the existence of this organization was to contain the military threat from the USSR. But now this threat has disappeared. By this time, NATO had turned into a gigantic military-bureaucratic monster. The meaning of existence of this monster has not become, but its elimination would have left millions of people without means of subsistence. To make sense, you need an enemy. And if it really does not exist, it is necessary to appoint. China is far away, Iran is weak, but Russia is just right. We'll throw mud at her, we'll set up a fake industry. And then such a trump card fell out: the "annexation" of the Crimea, the war in the Donbass. Well, of course, all this is the work of Putin, because he wants to recreate the empire in order to oppress peoples striving for democracy. In the end, the inventors of these slanderous slanders themselves began to sincerely believe in them.

    Alexander Parkhomov, February 28th, 2022

    https://remoteview.substack.com/p/no...lack-and-white

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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    The 1980's called, it wants its evil country stereotype back.

    Trump rebuffing the claim that Putin is a killer by frank out admitting America are too.





    During the 1980's we didn't believe Russians were human, and they wanted to kill us all with nuclear war. The Russians probably thought the same about us. Here's a modern satire of 1980's Russian opinion of America:

    A Russian family visit a theme park attraction called 'American House of Horrors' (Danger 5, season 2)




    Towards the end of the cold war in the 80's, after a decade of propaganda, we started to realise the evil ones were actually human. Our journey started, and once we saw they were human, especially after the fall of the Berlin wall, we started a warm friendship exchanging pop-bands. This stalled early on, after the West discovered that the East didn't shave their armpits, but this was the 80's and we had particularly shallow values back then.




    Not saying Putin is a hero, nor is Ukraine, and also I'm not saying Trump is. But well said that time Trump, what a fat load of plain basic propaganda we're being pushed. The polarising and dehumanising coming out of the press is about as welcome as a kick in the balls, fresh after we've all tasted dehumanisation (for medical reasons)

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by mizo (here)
    How many forum members can watch RT News in their in their own location without using a vpn?

    It's even been removed from YouTube for viewing in the UK

    https://twitter.com/camacassie/statu...13837316657157


    Even tweeting the news site comes with a warning
    ~~~

    Some feedback from Ecuador... I can see https://rt.com and the RT YouTube channel just fine. (Still!) Here's one RT video that's interesting:
    I hadn't visited rt.com in quite some time by decided to try the link in Bill's post just as a test.

    I was put on hold for about 20 seconds or so as RT "tested my browser" (checked where I was coming from)
    before they let me through.

    So I don't think it's just governments restricting access to RT's site, but also RT doing their
    own due diligence on who they feel they should allow through.

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