The Global Financial System Explained, Kim Goguen, LifeForce, & the Assemblies

[edina]

Posted by Dumpster Diver (here)
Democratic institutions. As KG says, everything we have now is based on long-term slavery and we need new paradigms. Hardly anybody understands what she is talking about much lest able to construct anything new.

I've been thinking about this for the past few days.
I remember that one of the pcs of advice that Obama gave Trump when they transitioned the US Presidency was for Trump to go slow in trying to change the "institutions".

And more recently, one of the mainstream newscasters referred to himself as an "instutionalist". He supports the institutions of society, and/or civilization.

Like infrastructure, the institutions, of our culture are hardly noticed. They are a part of the whole systems of systems that undergirds how things get done.

I agree with you Dumpster Diver, this is a big barrier to turning the course of the human ship away from slavery toward soveriegnty.

Posted by Dumpster Diver (here)
If she is who she says she is, and has access to a fair amount of power (she claims to have eliminated Marduk, an entity at least 16,000 years old and quite powerful himself)

Regarding Marduk, my understanding is that the Universal Protection Unit (UPU), the enforcement unit that once enforced the Marshall Plan, killed Marduk. Because when the Peace Treaty replaced the Marshall Plan, that same UPU then enforced the Peace Treaty, and Marduk broke the terms of the Peace Treaty, ergo ... he was demolecularized by the UPU.

Posted by Dumpster Diver (here)
I feel she needs to consolidate, eliminate the opposition - some perhaps of the so-called “white-hats”, set up something that works (the “others” must have some idea of what that is), and win this war she claims she is in. Frankly, this may be happening behind the scenes now. Nursemaiding a fractious group of assemblies simply wastes a lot of time. In war, the most important principal is unity of command. Without it, you lose or are seriously hamstrung.

If what Kim has been describing in her sitrep updates is accurate, then there has been a process of eliminating the opposition. However, there also seems to be some higher level rules involved.
And apparently, a new group has become involved in the "enforcement" aspect of the Peace Treaty, what Kim has called "the Colony" or the "colonies".

This is something I have questions about, who is/are The Colony/Colonies? And why are they called by that name? What are the implications of this regarding humanity? How do they fit into the Restoration Plan?

I like that you don't mince words re: "nursemaiding a fractious group of assemblies". Humanity hasn't been well educated to the Law of Harmony, and therefore how to work together harmoniously, has it?

It's one of the ways that the elitists have an advantage over the crowd. They are very coordinated. And people in general have been trained, conditioned, to divisiveness.

To me, this a problem to solve. Do you have any ideas on how this problem could be solved.

Anyone... does anyone have any ideas of how to overcome this multi-generational conditioning of divisiveness.

I've been thinking about this a lot, so, I'll probably come back to this later, to expand on my thinking here.

I've highlighted your "unity of command", because I agree, it is important.
But then, isn't this the complaint that Dave Too has made, that Kim thinks she's a "queen"?

If people don't understand that we're truly at war, they won't understand the need for a "unity of command". And in order to pull off that "unity of command", people need to understand it's necessity and support it.

It's quite the quandary, isn't it?

Posted by Dumpster Diver (here)
On the other hand, if we really are on “the optimal timeline” as she claims, maybe we have time to waste setting up some sort of inclusionary structure. Further, maybe this is the whole point. But getting a bunch of folks killed by by fake pandemics, etc, argues against this. I feel we are out of time and are at the point of being overwhelmed.

You've mentioned this "optimal timeline" statement a couple of times. I don't remember Kim saying this?

I have said something similar though. Back in the fall of 2013, I started getting, "The best case scenario is happening now." It was kinda odd at the time. Even though I was preparing for the worst-case scenario, intuitively, this statement kept coming up. The best case scenario is happening now.

When I came across Kim and learned about how the original tribes that had signed and committed humanity to the old Marshall Plan, had come to Kim and asked for help in setting up a Peace Treaty, that ongoing statement made more sense to me.

For me, the Peace Treaty timeline is the best-case scenario. It affords humanity the opportunity to become fully sovereign.

If Kim said we're on the "optimal" time-line, I don't know what that means to her?

What does that mean to you?

[Dumpster Diver]

Posted by edina (here)

Posted by Dumpster Diver (here)
Democratic institutions. As KG says, everything we have now is based on long-term slavery and we need new paradigms. Hardly anybody understands what she is talking about much lest able to construct anything new.

I've been thinking about this for the past few days.
I remember that one of the pcs of advice that Obama gave Trump when they transitioned the US Presidency was for Trump to go slow in trying to change the "institutions".

And more recently, one of the mainstream newscasters referred to himself as an "instutionalist". He supports the institutions of society, and/or civilization.

Like infrastructure, the institutions, of our culture are hardly noticed. They are a part of the whole systems of systems that undergirds how things get done.

I agree with you Dumpster Diver, this is a big barrier to turning the course of the human ship away from slavery toward soveriegnty.

Posted by Dumpster Diver (here)
If she is who she says she is, and has access to a fair amount of power (she claims to have eliminated Marduk, an entity at least 16,000 years old and quite powerful himself)

Regarding Marduk, my understanding is that the Universal Protection Unit (UPU), the enforcement unit that once enforced the Marshall Plan, killed Marduk. Because when the Peace Treaty replaced the Marshall Plan, that same UPU then enforced the Peace Treaty, and Marduk broke the terms of the Peace Treaty, ergo ... he was demolecularized by the UPU.

Posted by Dumpster Diver (here)
I feel she needs to consolidate, eliminate the opposition - some perhaps of the so-called “white-hats”, set up something that works (the “others” must have some idea of what that is), and win this war she claims she is in. Frankly, this may be happening behind the scenes now. Nursemaiding a fractious group of assemblies simply wastes a lot of time. In war, the most important principal is unity of command. Without it, you lose or are seriously hamstrung.

If what Kim has been describing in her sitrep updates is accurate, then there has been a process of eliminating the opposition. However, there also seems to be some higher level rules involved.
And apparently, a new group has become involved in the "enforcement" aspect of the Peace Treaty, what Kim has called "the Colony" or the "colonies".

This is something I have questions about, who is/are The Colony/Colonies? And why are they called by that name? What are the implications of this regarding humanity? How do they fit into the Restoration Plan?

I like that you don't mince words re: "nursemaiding a fractious group of assemblies". Humanity hasn't been well educated to the Law of Harmony, and therefore how to work together harmoniously, has it?

It's one of the ways that the elitists have an advantage over the crowd. They are very coordinated. And people in general have been trained, conditioned, to divisiveness.

To me, this a problem to solve. Do you have any ideas on how this problem could be solved.

Anyone... does anyone have any ideas of how to overcome this multi-generational conditioning of divisiveness.

I've been thinking about this a lot, so, I'll probably come back to this later, to expand on my thinking here.

I've highlighted your "unity of command", because I agree, it is important.
But then, isn't this the complaint that Dave Too has made, that Kim thinks she's a "queen"?

If people don't understand that we're truly at war, they won't understand the need for a "unity of command". And in order to pull off that "unity of command", people need to understand it's necessity and support it.

It's quite the quandary, isn't it?

Posted by Dumpster Diver (here)
On the other hand, if we really are on “the optimal timeline” as she claims, maybe we have time to waste setting up some sort of inclusionary structure. Further, maybe this is the whole point. But getting a bunch of folks killed by by fake pandemics, etc, argues against this. I feel we are out of time and are at the point of being overwhelmed.

You've mentioned this "optimal timeline" statement a couple of times. I don't remember Kim saying this?

I have said something similar though. Back in the fall of 2013, I started getting, "The best case scenario is happening now." It was kinda odd at the time. Even though I was preparing for the worst-case scenario, intuitively, this statement kept coming up. The best case scenario is happening now.

When I came across Kim and learned about how the original tribes that had signed and committed humanity to the old Marshall Plan, had come to Kim and asked for help in setting up a Peace Treaty, that ongoing statement made more sense to me.

For me, the Peace Treaty timeline is the best-case scenario. It affords humanity the opportunity to become fully sovereign.

If Kim said we're on the "optimal" time-line, I don't know what that means to her?

What does that mean to you?

Ok, firstly, let me give you some background on me so you may get a better grip on my comments. 40+ years as a military analyst / military historian working with all branches of the US military including NATO. 8 years as a diplomat, 4 years with a black clearance, 2 years in counter-intelligence, reaching the O6 level (full Colonel equivalent). I have worked with the top most generals in the past. I am not an “enlightened” person but also not a “trigger puller” i.e. operational, but worked with operational groups. I very much considered myself a super patriot, until I start noticing that many things were not right and many friends had seen seen weird things as had I. I saw defense work as just that, defending our “democracy.”

With this background I’ll answer your Qs:

The most effective government is a benign dictatorship. The sticking point is the “benign” part. Humans are stupid, lazy, spiteful, reckless and fairly poor in working together in achieving any sort of government. Until the wartime situation is cleared, I don’t think we have time to sort thru personal issues. Besides: old, fat, bald men have had their chance, why not let smart, connected woman give it a try? A Queen? I’ve no problem with that if she gets the job done, it’s not as though we’ve been living in a democracy anyway.

Taking out Marduk. Supposedly he threw some sort of weapon at her, she picked it up and threw it back at him sending him “back to source”. As I remember, KG said this in one of her many vids.

Optimal timeline. I’m not exactly sure she said this, but she did say something like non-disaster. With all the evidence on recurring micronovas, sounds more like optimal to me. Btw, David Wilcock in his latest video says he found 20 year old information (that he somehow missed) and now he is not convinced the disaster timeline will not happen. Further, he flipped on this topic around the same time as KG’s announcement in Aug 2021 (Lion’s Gate) in that the 17% chance of the disaster timeline (KG’s number) has gone away. Since DW is on the take, in the know, and now made a sharp left-hand turn becoming the “father of zero-point energy.” I see this as confirming information. I also think DW’s divorce plays into this somehow.

Further, KG said we need 10-15 years to get out of the money paradigm. Bitcoin is bogus. Wealth of nations will be based on resources and not how many “shiny rocks” (gold, silver) you have.

[edina]

I want to thank you Dumpster Diver, for your overall comments in this thread. I can tell you are giving considerate thought to the ideas expressed.

It's hard to find someone to have a serious conversation with on these topics, in part, because most people aren't familiar with the Kim thread, and also, don't naturally think along these lines.

So many people just blow it off as baseless. But here's my logic on why it has value to consider:

Assuming that what Kim is sharing is accurate, and given that I care deeply for humanity and life on the planet. I want to see this succeed. I want to be a part of the ongoing solution, and not a part of the problem.

On the other hand, assuming that this all inaccurate, I feel we need more and more people thinking along these lines, anyway.

To me, it's a part of the awakening process. Not just to the ways humanity has been manipulated over the centuries, to the state that we find ourselves now. But also, an awakening of OUR will, at the spiritual level. And to understanding how we can work together in healthy and effective ways.

I think the systems of systems are imploding. These kinds of conversations are necessary, regardless of if they are in the context of the LifeForce movement and what Kim is trying to do, or if they are in the context of trying to pick up the pieces in our local communities.

Posted by Dumpster Diver (here)
I feel we are out of time and are at the point of being overwhelmed.

I can relate to this feeling.

I have an analogy that comes to mind, anytime this pops up for me.

I once worked with a guy who was mountain sports enthusiast. He bikes, hikes, ice climbs, skies ... you name it, he does it.

He called to work one day, almost giddy, high on adrenaline. He kept saying, "I'm on top of the world!!!"

He had decided to climb the face of a mountain and found himself on talus rock. The rock debris started sliding out of from under his feet. He had to keep going because the rock was falling as he was climbing. He said that he knew if he stopped moving, the rock slide would overwhelm him and he would fall down the mountain.

He was racing the mountain to the top. (He either reached the top, or at least got out of that talus rock, or he died. In systems thinking, we're in the oscillations stage, we evolve, or die.)

When I think about where we're at in our development, as a species, that image comes to mind. We will be building as everything around us is falling.

And like my mountain climbing friend, it's important that we keep moving forward, keep building what we want, rather than focus on what is falling apart around us.

I don't think that's easy. This analogy helps me, when I feel overwhelmed. I remind myself to just keep moving, taking steps, ... even baby steps, if that's all I can do, to keep moving forward in a positive way.

I don't know if you're familiar with the sci-fi series, The Expanse? I haven't had a chance to watch the last season yet, but in a talk among the writer and some of the actors, they described something similar to what I've expressed as a theme in the series.

The solution wasn't some hero solving the problem for everyone else. It was countless people doing one thing better, helping one person here, or there. It was the accumulation of choices and actions that resolved the problem in the last season of the series.

If anyone has already seen the last season of The Expanse, don't give me any spoilers, I want to see it first.

Note Added:
I wrote this before I read your comment above. We must have been writing at the same time.
Given your background and knowledge base, of course, you have much to add to the conversation.
And my above response to the overwhelm comment is probably a bit off base from where you were coming from.

[edina]

Posted by Dumpster Diver (here)
Ok, firstly, let me give you some background on me so you may get a better grip on my comments. 40+ years as a military analyst / military historian working with all branches of the US military including NATO. 8 years as a diplomat, 4 years with a black clearance, 2 years in counter-intelligence, reaching the O6 level (full Colonel equivalent). I have worked with the top most generals in the past. I am not an “enlightened” person but also not a “trigger puller” i.e. operational, but worked with operational groups. I very much considered myself a super patriot, until I start noticing that many things were not right and many friends had seen seen weird things as had I. I saw defense work as just that, defending our “democracy.”

With this background I’ll answer your Qs:

I'm going to try to contain my excitement that I've met someone with this level of knowledge and experience in their background!!!

I'm definitely going to want to bounce things off of you, if you don't mind.

And I think we're going to discover similar thinkers here in the forum.

Posted by Dumpster Diver (here)
The most effective government is a benign dictatorship. The sticking point is the “benign” part. Humans are stupid, lazy, spiteful, reckless and fairly poor in working together in achieving any sort of government. Until the wartime situation is cleared, I don’t think we have time to sort thru personal issues. Besides: old, fat, bald men have had their chance, why not let smart, connected woman give it a try? A Queen? I’ve no problem with that if she gets the job done, it’s not as though we’ve been living in a democracy anyway.

As an aside: I was a bit of an odd kid. Around the age of 10, I spent some time doing an analysis of my own and came to the same conclusions you just stated, regarding the most "effective" government is a benign dictatorship. I referred to it as a "benevolent" dictatorship.

I can't explain why I spent so much time thinking about this when I was 10 years old. But, I do admit to being "odd". Your comment is a bit validating and corroborative to what that 10 year old me figured out.

And, also... the catch was in the "benevolence". I understood then that while it was easier, it didn't solve the problem I was wrestling with in my own mind at the time.

What solved the problem was a collective decision or a decision made by people, in mass, to accept responsibility for themselves.

I considered the work of this century to be the development of the will. Which in my mind is the actual awakening process.

Okay, aside over...

Posted by Dumpster Diver (here)
Taking out Marduk. Supposedly he threw some sort of weapon at her, she picked it up and threw it back at him sending him “back to source”. As I remember, KG said this in one of her many vids.

I understood this to be two separate incidents. The first when he attacked her and was shocked to discover that she fought back, and successfully so. The second was the UPU situation. When Marduk went back to source, or demolecularized. She expresses that situation a little different at at different times, but with essentially the same meaning.

Posted by Dumpster Diver (here)
Optimal timeline. I’m not exactly sure she said this, but she did say something like non-disaster. With all the evidence on recurring micronovas, sounds more like optimal to me. Btw, David Wilcock in his latest video says he found 20 year old information (that he somehow missed) and now he is not convinced the disaster timeline will not happen. Further, he flipped on this topic around the same time as KG’s announcement in Aug 2021 (Lion’s Gate) in that the 17% chance of the disaster timeline (KG’s number) has gone away. Since DW is on the take, in the know, and now made a sharp left-hand turn becoming the “father of zero-point energy.” I see this as confirming information. I also think DW’s divorce plays into this somehow.

Further, KG said we need 10-15 years to get out of the money paradigm. Bitcoin is bogus. Wealth of nations will be based on resources and not how many “shiny rocks” (gold, silver) you have.

To be fair, I don't follow any of what DW is saying these days. I find I can't follow everything, and so he went off my list of information streams I track years ago. His turn in information may not be so much as confirming of what Kim said, but rather following it? Or vice versa?

That DW's divorce plays into it somehow is a curious connection... will you expand on that a bit?

I have reservations about Bitcoin myself. This was actually why I started listening to Kim in more earnest in May 2020. This and the fact that she talks about a Restoration Plan. She was the only person who was saying what I felt during that time frame, regarding bitcoin and crypto-currencies. And, I have some personal experiences regarding the "restoration" that I am not able to ignore, and therefore, won't.

I think you may have heard some things from Kim that I haven't. Or that I missed. clif has talked of how it's going to take about 10-15 years to transition from the Babylonian money magic system to sound money. I missed that Kim said the same thing?

[ClearWater]

Just want to say that I appreciate the discussion you are having, Edina and Dumpster Diver. I'm currently very skeptical, but also fully aware of the fact that my judgement is far from infallible, and I am always questioning my assessments. Though I am no longer regularly watching the Life Force content, I'm still very interested in reading discussion on it from intelligent and grounded individuals. Thank you for your contributions.

[Dumpster Diver]

Edina: I give you my background not to impress but to make you wary. I am of the warrior caste. My views are colored by that. Since I existed in a hierarchical system and had few issues with it, my views of government are slanted. I will say i worked with government officials, both elected and appointed during my days in Wash DC and found all of them corrupt to some extent. Everything is “political” and public be damned. I was most worried about the care of operational military (those in the field), but NO ONE of either party could care less with public posturing made to fool the public.

Marduk. However this entity was removed from power, if indeed he was, points to KG’s hand on levers of a similar ability either personally or thru the “others.” If she has done anything close to what she has said, she is a person to be respected and perhaps feared. Tank and Lane are short term thinking fools…compromised, or worse. Since they pulled their stunts at this time and in conjunction with Ben Fulford’s (a self acknowledged member of a Dragon group) interview and comments, I think there is a real chance they are deeply compromised.

DW: once a decent source but has increasingly become compromised. His snappish control-freak comments to Elizabeth during their videos were odd, coming from a supposed shy introvert. I think she realized he had “turned to the dark side” and got away from him. The Blue Chicken circus and money shearing “lessons” for members of his cult has put DW in a posh mountain cabin in Colorado and is now funding zero-point energy explorations with engineers “in the know.” As to his importance, I just found the 180 degree change in DW’s disaster-speak amazing given the number of hours he has devoted to it. He still has to layer his sh!t sandwich blather between bread slices of truth to sell it, tho. Oh, and he still stays in his Topanga Canyon place when he needs to rub elbows with his Hollywood propaganda movie folks in expensive LA.

As to bouncing things off me, no problem. But realize I’m happy if I’m right more than 50% of the time.

[Dumpster Diver]

Posted by ClearWater (here)
Just want to say that I appreciate the discussion you are having, Edina and Dumpster Diver. I'm currently very skeptical, but also fully aware of the fact that my judgement is far from infallible, and I am always questioning my assessments. Though I am no longer regularly watching the Life Force content, I'm still very interested in reading discussion on it from intelligent and grounded individuals. Thank you for your contributions.

Thanks. You have every right to be skeptical. I’m extremely skeptical even though I’ve found KG fairly congruent with some of my findings. When she starts funding projects and issues a medical card to everyone, as she has said, then I’ll think about coming “on board”, not before.

I’m hoping for anyone interested in KG to tell us what they know, especially the inconsistencies. I’m tired of gurus with clay feet.

[edina]

Posted by Dumpster Diver (here)
Edina: I give you my background not to impress but to make you wary. I am of the warrior caste. My views are colored by that. Since i existed in a hierarchical system and had few issues with it, my views of government are slanted. I will say i worked with government officials, both elected and appointed during my days in Wash DC and found all of them corrupt to some extent. Everything is “political” and public be damned. I was most worried about the care of operational military (those in the field), but NO ONE of either party could case less under the public posturing made to fool the public.

I hope you understand that my "excitement" wasn't because I felt impressed, it was because I feel you have knowledge and experience that I value.
And no worries about warning me... which made me smile. I served in the Air Force, enlisted, for 8 years, from the time I was 17 to 25 years old, during a time when I was the first woman most men had ever worked with... I'm diplomatic, but also a bit of warrior, too.

As to "corruption". Yep, it's the big reason why we are in state of affairs that we're presently in, in my opinion.

There's a way of considering this from a perspective of realist, or fantasist.

Kim is wearing quite a few hats. Each requires a different way of functioning. She's probably juggling the various functions in a way that forces her to straddle strategies. That in and of itself can diffuse effectiveness.

If I'm understanding you correctly, what you're saying is that since we are at war, that, for now, takes precedence, and ought to guide the focus of strategies.

If you were in her position, as she has presented it, how would you handle it?

[edina]

Posted by ClearWater (here)
Just want to say that I appreciate the discussion you are having, Edina and Dumpster Diver. I'm currently very skeptical, but also fully aware of the fact that my judgement is far from infallible, and I am always questioning my assessments. Though I am no longer regularly watching the Life Force content, I'm still very interested in reading discussion on it from intelligent and grounded individuals. Thank you for your contributions.

Thank you ClearWater.

I wonder if you could clarify and express the specifics of your skepticism. The reason why I ask is because if it can be brought forward, in a balanced and considerate way, it can help us all look from various perspectives and see what we can learn from them.

But, I don't want to put you on the spot. If you don't want to express them, I understand.

[edina]

Posted by Dumpster Diver (here)
Tank and Lane are short term thinking fools… .

This is another area in which people, in general, need to mature. The thinking of the controllers is done in centuries.

Unfortunately, the thinking of the average people on the street is done in terms of "what are we going to eat for dinner tonight" or "how am I going entertain myself this weekend". I feel this is mostly by design. Humanity has been herded in this way.

The attention capture devices of social media shortens that attention span down to the attentional blink. In many cases, for many people, down to 6 seconds.

Big corporations will do their planning in terms of decades. You may find a few that plan 50 years out.

That's a huge gap in thinking... from centuries, down to decades, down to this year, today, or the next few minutes, or seconds.

That solution I figured out when I was 10, the one that requires people, in mass, to become responsible for themselves. I do often question if it's realistic. But at the same time, I'm unwilling to give up.

[norman]

Posted by edina (here)

That solution I figured out when I was 10, the one that requires people, in mass, to become responsible for themselves. I do often question if it's realistic. But at the same time, I'm unwilling to give up.

It's a consciousness thing, not the mechanics of it.

To get the mechanics right, we must get the consciousness right first. We lead ( sovereign responsibility consciousness goes deep ), the mechanics follow.

Imo.

[Dumpster Diver]

Edina: glad to hear I am speaking to a fellow warrior. Most of the woo-woo folks don’t get it. Love-bombing monsters typically does not work.

My approach is what I said, and KG seems to be heading, or is being pushed, in that direction. KG claims to be wearing 7 hats by default. All the other possible “wearers” did not arrive for one reason or another…so it looks like she has consolidated the levers of power. Further, I’d spend a minimum of time working the public other than rallying the troops. Since the public thinks democracy is a “real thing” time spent trying to convince/coddle them is mostly wasted. Find strong lieutenants and empower them (a few missteps here, it seems). Set up an intelligence gathering grid (she already has this). Don’t be afraid to strike hard/fast when good opportunities present.

Unfortunately, I think KG was been too empathic and not enough of a steely-eyed killer. But that is very, very hard to find in one person. But, all things said, she may have a better balance than I would or could have. I think she sees the timing differently than I do. And I know she has much more info than I have and she is not revealing what is really going on behind the scenes to anyone.

What we don’t know is what she is getting from her non-Human supporters or what they are telling her. Being able to see into possible futures is a big deal and that probability computer “thingie” she claims she has will make a huge difference. She has mentioned that she is constrained by them and could lose her position if she exceeds some unmentioned boundary conditions.

Unfortunately, everyone I know is either a KG cultist or thinks she is a wretched fraud. Hard to get any sort of a discussion with either of these types of folks.

[ClearWater]

Posted by edina (here)
I wonder if you could clarify and express the specifics of your skepticism. The reason why I ask is because if it can be brought forward, in a balanced and considerate way, it can help us all look from various perspectives and see what we can learn from them.

I understand and appreciate your reasoning for asking. I don't think it's something I can lay out in a way that will be very helpful, because my skepticism is not primarily founded anything specific. I initially found the information Kim was sharing to be exceptionally intriguing and comprehensive, connecting threads together that I had previously not been capable of connecting on my own.

Over time I have become turned off by things that are typically explained away as intuition. Some of it is in the manner of communicating, both verbally and through body language. Some of it is in subtle inconsistencies or conveniently timed fantastical stories. My skepticism has grown gradually over time rather than being based upon anything specific.

And of course, it's largely irrelevant. The Life Force movement is either formed upon something real and substantial, or it's not. And I expect that will be the determining factor in whether or not it is successful.

[edina]

Posted by ClearWater (here)

Posted by edina (here)
I wonder if you could clarify and express the specifics of your skepticism. The reason why I ask is because if it can be brought forward, in a balanced and considerate way, it can help us all look from various perspectives and see what we can learn from them.

I understand and appreciate your reasoning for asking. I don't think it's something I can lay out in a way that will be very helpful, because my skepticism is not primarily founded anything specific. I initially found the information Kim was sharing to be exceptionally intriguing and comprehensive, connecting threads together that I had previously not been capable of connecting on my own.

Over time I have become turned off by things that are typically explained away as intuition. Some of it is in the manner of communicating, both verbally and through body language. Some of it is in subtle inconsistencies or conveniently timed fantastical stories. My skepticism has grown gradually over time rather than being based upon anything specific.

And of course, it's largely irrelevant. The Life Force movement is either formed upon something real and substantial, or it's not. And I expect that will be the determining factor in whether or not it is successful.

Thanks for your considerate response ClearWater.
And it is helpful, at least for me.

[edina]

Posted by DaveToo (here)
This goes to the heart of the problem with Life Force as I see it.
Allow me to explain.

I came to the Life Force party relatively late, around Sept 2021, through Life Force Canada.
I don't recall how I heard about it, probably someone sent me an e-mail.
The Life Force Canada site looked appealing to me and so I began to attend
weekly meetings. I knew nothing about Life Force Global nor Kim G.

After a few weeks I began to hear references to Kim and decided to investigate who she was and also Life Force Global.
That was some rabbit hole!

Long story short...
Despite Kim's 'team' (which keeps changing), we essentially have one person leading the entire Life Force parallel system
that is meant to eventually be self-sufficient and not reliant on the de facto system.

When I joined Life Force I assumed that it had to have been thought out carefully.
Namely that it would have structure, a strong team of leaders that had mapped out the entire direction
of where the parallel system was heading and how long it would take to get there (timeline).

But unfortunately none of that exists.

As I read this, I thought to myself that you must have felt very disillusioned with your experience.

I think when we see a professionally laid out website, our expectations tend to become automatically set that the rest of the organization is also professional.

But Lifeforce, as it stands at the moment is not “professional”. It’s essentially all volunteers. It's certainly not like the WEF, which is what your expectations describe.

In business practices, there’s a term called, setting expectations, or managing expectations.

Your experience describes what happens when expectations are set high, and then the actual experience deflates them.

Since I had been listening to the Project SPEAK videos from the inception of the idea, I understood from the get go, that most of the people engaging were volunteers. And everyone was learning as they went. To me, multiple reiterations are to be expected.

And based on my previous experience with a failed similar effort, I had a sense of what would be involved in pulling this off and what some of the pitfalls could be. Thus far, I’m encouraged, this effort has come along much further than I expected.

To me, your frustration is palatable and understandable.

Posted by DaveToo (here)
Instead there is simply one charismatic leader who we must trust will deliver us into the 'promised land'.

I don't understand how anyone can trust one person to run such a complicated system that would need
infrastructure that took centuries to develop with hundreds of thousands/millions of the brightest minds on this planet.

Maybe there are people out there talking like Kim is going to "deliver us into the 'promised land'", but I don't see Kim saying that about herself. In fact, she says the opposite. We have an opportunity, it's up to us how this plays out. All of us.

My understanding is that the technology used to build the complicated system that Kim described came from the "others". If so, they probably are brilliant. And this is probably a part of the reason why the human attempts to build a QFS system hasn't worked. They can't replicate that advanced technology.

There are people who insist that the QFS is real. That system has been promised easily for 12 years now. So, we'll see.

As Clearwater stated above,

Posted by ClearWater (here)
[ The Life Force movement is either formed upon something real and substantial, or it's not. And I expect that will be the determining factor in whether or not it is successful.

Assuming that this is substantial, I often imagine what I would do if I had found myself in the situation that Kim found herself in when this all began. I tend to do that in general with everyone, to try to understand things from other people’s point of views. Of course, that’s actually impossible, we can never fully disconnect from our own point of view, but I try. It gives people the benefit of a doubt.

When you went down the rabbit hole, I’m not so sure how much of her story you learned. I imagine you probably ran into the Bubba stuff, maybe you read the links at Project SPEAK, or watched the YouTube playlist on Tank’s channel? (Tank’s Project SPEAK website looks to have been taken down for now, so that information is not posted there anymore. I don’t know how long ago that happened?)

If the circumstances of Kim’s story is true, then she didn’t create this system where everything is ran by a single person.

This system was already in place before she came into the picture. And at that time, the complicated system was run by 3 entities/beings. According to Kim, they were Marduk, the grandfather (maybe Anu?) and the Uncle, probably Enki or Enlil. I think these names are more functional than actual.

As events unfolded, one by one, those 3 were no longer around. In 2016, Kim started trying to learn this complicated system in earnest. She either felt, or was tasked, that her mission was to distribute this accumulation of wealth into the hands of those 3, back to humanity. She talks about how in the beginning she had reached out to the people that were already connected to the system, to get them to work with her.

Again, over time and through some hard knocks type of experiences, she realized that she couldn’t trust those people.

I imagine that if I were Kim and I had experienced what she has described, I would have extreme difficulty trusting people to help me figure out how to get these assets back into the hands of the People in a safe, and effective way. And in fact, it looks like her trust has been betrayed quite a few times. Which is one reason why her teams change. But, there has also been some continuity along the way.

For example, Liam seems to have been around from almost the beginning. Thomas seems to have been around for the long haul, too. Alan with Circle of Light, although he’s not on her “team”, seems to have been interacting with her for several years, at least.

The LifeForce ideas and mission seemed to have appealed to you. You probably care about what’s happening in the world and want to take effective, positive action. If so, I can certainly relate.

In addition to other groups setting up a parallel economy idea, there are lots of local groups also getting active on a wide range of issues, from local food production and regenerational farming, to slow money and local work arounds of banks, education, voter rights and so on.

I’ve observed the flow of these various groups over the years, and while I don’t claim to be an expert, the LifeForce org has been one of the more successful ones in terms of organizing to an international level, that hasn’t become a captured org for the globilists, through either WEF, or George Soros, or other similar operations.

The Restoration Plan that Kim talks about is something that happened later on, I think sometime around 2018? It’s separate, yet related and connected, to the redistribution of the assets sitting in the back system.

I don’t know how many hats Kim wears? DD mentioned 7?

So one is the Back System Command and Control, which it looks like Kim has done a lot to clean up and reorganizing.

Another is about implementing the Restoration Plan.

Another is as ambassador, representing humanity to a larger universal council.

A fourth one would be the role of Ground Command. She seems to get much help from “others” with this role?

If anyone can think of what the other roles are, please add them in.

Anyway, just one of these roles would be a lot to juggle. I imagine I would feel overwhelmed with even a part of one. Kim has talked of how she would like to get things set up so that all of this doesn’t sit in her hands only. But, that process has to be one that doesn’t harm humanity and the planet.

It looks like she is trying to transition this from where she (and we) are at, to one that more closely resembles what you had hoped it already was.

Creative, resourceful, innovative ideas of how to do this is welcome. Along with a willingness to act on those ideas. To help implement them.

Kim also talks about how she would rather be doing something quite different and looks forward to the time when she can work on her own personal passion, which if I remember correctly, has something to do with some tech/healing ideas she has.

On the other hand, assuming that all of this is lacks substance, and Kim isn’t actually in these various roles and positions, then most of the conversation is irrelevant.

Except whatever anyone can apply in their own lives, or local communities, the ideas that get generated from thinking about …. what if … ?

Posted by DaveToo (here)
I don't know who Kelly is.

Kelly came out of one of the Oregon LifeForce Assemblies. They had success on some serious water issues in the state. He then stepped into a liaisson/training role, to help other assemblies get set up. I thought he was doing a great job. It looks like he is on the masthead at GNN, Tank's new media site.

[Gwin Ru]

If anyone can think of what the other roles are, please add them in.

There is:

• director of GIA
• trustee/guardian
• keeper of the hall of record

Kim also mentioned way back that under the current mandates the team might split into sectors employing less than 99 individuals...

[Dumpster Diver]

As for the seven hats that KG mentioned, I do not think this happened by chance. She, or some-“thing(s)” are manifesting it.

…and KG is big into manifesting and she tells us to do it as well.

[DaveToo]

Posted by DaveToo (here)
This goes to the heart of the problem with Life Force as I see it.
Allow me to explain.

I came to the Life Force party relatively late, around Sept 2021, through Life Force Canada.
I don't recall how I heard about it, probably someone sent me an e-mail.
The Life Force Canada site looked appealing to me and so I began to attend
weekly meetings. I knew nothing about Life Force Global nor Kim G.

After a few weeks I began to hear references to Kim and decided to investigate who she was and also Life Force Global.
That was some rabbit hole!

Long story short...
Despite Kim's 'team' (which keeps changing), we essentially have one person leading the entire Life Force parallel system
that is meant to eventually be self-sufficient and not reliant on the de facto system.

When I joined Life Force I assumed that it had to have been thought out carefully.
Namely that it would have structure, a strong team of leaders that had mapped out the entire direction
of where the parallel system was heading and how long it would take to get there (timeline).

But unfortunately none of that exists.

Thanks for taking the time to go through my last post and try to address the points I was trying to make.

Yes I have learned over time that LF (LifeForce) is made up of volunteers. However, from what I understand, many/most of the volunteers are working from a specific perspective.
They believe that money/funds coming from Kim are “just around the bend” and so not only will projects be funded to get them operational, but people’s efforts in this regard will also be ‘helped out’
by these funds.

If there are $trillions of dollars waiting to be distributed, why would anyone hold them back and not reward those who have put in the hard work volunteering their time and effort? That wouldn’t make sense would it?

In business practices, there’s a term called, setting expectations, or managing expectations.

Your experience describes what happens when expectations are set high, and then the actual experience deflates them.

You mentioned that my expectations are set high for LF. I wouldn’t say so really.
Now that I know what LF is all about (something I didn’t know when I first joined back in Sept. 2021)
I have a realistic view of what can be accomplished with the organization.
That realistic view is now totally divorced from any magical funding source promised by Kim.

Maybe there are people out there talking like Kim is going to "deliver us into the 'promised land'", but I don't see Kim saying that about herself. In fact, she says the opposite. We have an opportunity, it's up to us how this plays out. All of us.

Almost everyone who knows about Kim knows about the $trillions in trust funds that she says she has access to and will be distributing to the people. That’s what I mean about delivering us into the “promised land”.

Most LF members think that if we can gain access to these funds and have the right people directing the funds into creative/restorative projects in a parallel system, free from corruption, we will have been delivered into the “promised land”.

When you went down the rabbit hole, I’m not so sure how much of her story you learned. I imagine you probably ran into the Bubba stuff, maybe you read the links at Project SPEAK, or watched the YouTube playlist on Tank’s channel? (Tank’s Project SPEAK website looks to have been taken down for now, so that information is not posted there anymore. I don’t know how long ago that happened?).

I did do a fair amount of research into Kim, spending several hours watching videos and reading about her. But I wasn’t prepared to become an ‘expert’ on all things Kim

I didn’t do the ‘Bubba stuff’, nor the SPEAK Project stuff.

I refuse to believe that an ancient system spanning 20 or 30 thousand years or more just happened to collapse recently, and Kim happened to be the chosen person to take charge of it in 2016.
I mean that is just one of many outrageous claims that Kim makes.

As events unfolded, one by one, those 3 were no longer around. In 2016, Kim started trying to learn this complicated system in earnest. She either felt, or was tasked, that her mission was to distribute this accumulation of wealth into the hands of those 3, back to humanity. She talks about how in the beginning she had reached out to the people that were already connected to the system, to get them to work with her.

Again, over time and through some hard knocks type of experiences, she realized that she couldn’t trust those people.

Besides all of the other red flags that shout “This is just too ridiculous to believe”, you would think that a person who was chosen to be in such an important position as Kim claims she is in, would have the skills and ability to choose reliable, knowledgeable and trustworthy people to work with.

The LifeForce ideas and mission seemed to have appealed to you. You probably care about what’s happening in the world and want to take effective, positive action. If so, I can certainly relate.

Yes LF definitely appealed to me and that’s why I still follow its efforts. But I must say I have made an almost total separation between Kim and the work of LF Canada.
Many members of LF Canada have done so as well. We have given up on her empty promises.

I think it is extremely dangerous to have one person wield as much power and influence over a group or organization as Kim does.
Do you know of any major, large corporation that does not have at the very least, a board of directors?
If you do, I’d love to learn about it?

Kim also talks about how she would rather be doing something quite different and looks forward to the time when she can work on her own personal passion, which if I remember correctly, has something to do with some tech/healing ideas she has.

I hadn’t heard of that before. In my view there’s nothing worse than taking on such a huge responsibility that she has and not being able to be fully committed to it psychologically (preferring to be doing other work).

On the other hand, assuming that all of this is lacks substance, and Kim isn’t actually in these various roles and positions, then most of the conversation is irrelevant.

Except whatever anyone can apply in their own lives, or local communities, the ideas that get generated from thinking about …. what if … ?

This is the reason I mentioned above that I am comfortable participating with LF Canada.
There seems to be an acknowledgement that Kim won’t be delivering on her major promises.

BTW, I am encouraged by the type of exchange you have initiated in your last few posts Edina.
I think it is far more useful to engage people in discussion about issues than to simply post links and little more.

[Dumpster Diver]

DaveToo:

Firstly, thanks for contributing to the discussion. I think you bring points that should be addressed, indeed must be addressed to understand KG and her “cultish” movement.

The money: last year she claimed the money was tied up in various ways and each time some unforeseen snag occurred. But it seems now, with the compromise of the assemblies (she claims they are basically controlled by The Black Sun - BS) it seems the money is not being released as she certainly doesn’t want to fund anything that helps BS especially since she has suffered numerous attacks by them. Lost in all this is the other wing of the deep state, the Bankers or Rothchilds (RC). Matter of fact, she hardly ever says anything about the RC wing other than Hillary was a member and other such tidbits.

KG is special: she claims Marduk knew decades before she arrived that she would come “to power.” KG claims to have worked with him for years apparently. In the book written by someone, it is claimed that KG has the most human DNA of anyone on the planet. She is thus uniquely “qualified” to represent “us.” I say “us” as I am blue eyed, with platinum blond hair and an emotional range 1/2 to 1/3 of “normal” humans. I’ve no interest in recreational drugs of any kind with a technological interest. All attributes of Nordics so she may represent only a portion of me and I suspect most of us. BTW, the genealogy aspect seems to be very important and largely undiscussed in forums like this. I think it is massively important, but I can’t say how or why. So KG was “selected” because of her genealogy, not because she wanted the job. Hero’s journey, etc, etc, etc…how many books in literature are written on this? And she is forced to fight because she has the “best” genetic makeup. And since she is human, she makes very human mistakes. Again, the Hero’s journey as he/she must conquer not only the bad guys but her flaws to win in the end. She would she have liked to be someone different? Wouldn’t you if you were in her claimed position? I certainly wouldn’t want the job as I know I’d be pretty tempted to do some sort of selfish sh!t in her place.

As for assemblies, I think she is more or less forced to work with the fractious rabble. I seriously doubt I could do it. But I think this was the hand she was dealt.

[edina]

I had a chance to watch the last three news reports by Sunny Gault. I like the changes she's made.
Has anyone else watched them, yet?

The one from 16 Mar is already behind the paywall, but the ones from the 17th and 21st are still viewable for the general public.

3-17-2022 United Network News

Oil Spill in Peru, Democratic Republic of Congo, What's Really Going on in Ukraine? and Much More! Join us for the REAL News

United Network Global News Desk with Sunny Gault March 21st 2022

Join Sunny as she explains further why there is military “theater” in Ukraine.

Note Added: Please bear with me, I'm trying to figure out how to make these videos play here in the forum? If you click the link, they will play at the UNN link.

Gwin Ru, maybe you can help? It looks like I am doing what you do, but it's not working.
All the more reason why I appreciate that you've been posting these instead of me.