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Posted by ExomatrixTV
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Posted by Spiral
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Posted by ExomatrixTV
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The problem with whistleblowers is they always get ignored by everyone other than us fringe nutter types, or they mix a load of "toxic" garbage in there, like David Icke does for example, with his lucifarian lite
TM new age Alice Bailey stuff, I mean how can you be against the New World Order when you have the EXACTLY the same "spiritual" ideals as they have lol ?
You do
not define David Icke using generalizations,
nor using (copied?) "Christian Truthers"
rhetoric who are more than often
hypocrites to the bone! ... Unless you have many "research friends" who are like that and "feel good" judging some one on the bases
how others (may) react
* and use that against him ... Which can also be said about
other "types" of truthers (conspiracy researchers).
So many psychological "mental reflex defense mechanisms" to reject others just because they were judged from a tunnel vision perspectives mind-set full of (judgemental) assumptions.
"EXACTLY the same "spiritual" ideals " ??? Hell no! ... Typical
framing (misrepresenting) done by (fanatic?) christian conspiracy researchers ... There is no monopoly on genuine spirituality unless you are a control freak type, then you use only a hammer and everything is just a nail (metaphorical speaking).
* most who react/judge loudly (who are the loudest screamers) do often
not represent the whole but generate the appearance as if they do but they don't ... I have personally met many respectful, highly intelligent & wise Christian Truther friends last 32 years worldwide who are not like that at all.
cheers,
John Kuhles aka 'ExomatrixTV'
April 17th, 2022 🦜🦋🌳
Sorry but my opinion of DI has been the same from day one, and has no origin in anything anyone else has ever wrote or said. He has been duped & used by entities beyond his understanding.
Someone did a vid debunking DI that explains the roots of his mistaken beliefs, I agree with most of it, he is not a hero or a help to humanity, he has muddied so much that can now no longer be taken seriously by so many it's tragic.
Again you use so many assumptions ... sigh ... I let it be ... have fun with it.
- the moment you said: "EXACTLY the same "spiritual" ideals" ... you lost me!
It's all pointed out in quite some detail on here . Considering how many "whistleblowers" meet "unfortunate" ends it's somewhat odd how this guy just goes on & on, or maybe not.
You think this is "new" >>> David Icke bashing? ... I saw much more last 30+ years almost all make the same or similar mistakes/misjudgements!
Just google "Chris White Debunked" and there are tons of videos/sites exposing his alleged "debunking" than you will see the patterns of his "method" I have done that already years ago ... he is a known alleged "
debunker".
- I posted this 10 years ago!
I too am very skeptical of anything from mainstream like: "Ancient Aliens" series ... but how you "debunk" stuff is a different topic all together!
quote: "Unlike the creator (Chris White) and narrator of the film "Ancient Aliens Debunked" i never believed the series to be the preeminent authority on the subjects they covered..."
I've watched the first hour of the program; there are some good arguments presented but, there is a lot of nit picking going on also. I am convinced of nothing from both camps!".
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02. @Cartomancer of Project Avalon quote: "What is hilarious to me is the fact that Chris White the producer of this 'film' is a seemingly conservative Christian. All of the dogma he believes can be shredded using the same logic he uses here to debunk ancient aliens".
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03. @Maunagarjana of Project Avalon quote: "This article is Philip Coppens
reply to the "Ancient Aliens Debunked" video (made by Chris White):
philipcoppens.com/aaq_art5.html note: And yes, Chris White and Michael Heiser are both fundamentalist Christians. Heiser went to Bob Jones University, btw. Not that it invalidates their arguments, but their bias should be known up front when viewing their video. They are defending an attack on their belief system by a rival meme".
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Above quotes are just a very small collection of examples of understanding where "Chris White" is coming from and
how is "method" of "debunking" originates!
- Discernment has to be PRACTICED not spoon-fed by any so called government scientists nor religious approved 'authorities'.
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04. @Beaujangles quote: "I think David Icke has been in transition over many years, and over time has tried to understand the concepts he has talked about. David is now 69 and when he began his journey of truth seeking he was in his thirties. A very young man. I think we can safely say that in our thirties we were learning, and often believed things that over time would change and ultimately manifest into a fuller multidimensional belief system as we learned more about life and adopted our own personal beliefs.
I think we can take from all books and teachings that which resonates with us. Personally, I think David Icke tries to interpret what he feels and learns into a truthful revelation. There is much truth in his works... in my opinion. But we would all be very foolish to place every faith into one person, theory or area of learning. We all have to find our own way and learn based on what feels true to us. I can say that David Icke and his speeches, interviews etc. have helped to piece together the thoughts and insights that I have myself.
David very likely read many books and used his own intelligence to piece together his own belief system. I think it would be naive to suggest that David didn't read and absorb others thoughts and writings - we all take on board that which resonates with us and we choose to believe that which makes sense to us... learning from others is to me the most raw and honest way to learn and some take what they're told at face value or some of us absorb into our own belief systems if it resonates as truth to us. That's just my take on it".
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I uploaded this video 10 years go:
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DavidIcke.com Forum] " I just want to pass on some information I have come across which may well explain shapeshifting and much else, too. I have been chatting today to Brian Desborough, my scientist friend in California, and we have been discussing mono-atomic gold. This comes in the form of a white powder and has a two-dimensional atomic structure (one or two atoms working together) while regular gold has a three-dimensional structure (ten or more atoms working together). Without going into all the scientific detail, when you consume this mono-atomic gold by mouth or injection, it increases the current carrying capacity of the nervous system by ten thousand times. This would allow a person to process fantastic amounts of information like a super computer and when enough has been absorbed it would allow them to consciously move through other dimensions and shapeshift because suddenly the brain is activated to open those vast areas that we do not use in today's world. It aligns the brain cells so they all start talking to each other again. More than that, if you consume enough of this mono-atomic gold your physical body would become luminous, I'm told, so explaining the ancient accounts of the reptilian gods and children of the gods who "shone like the Sun". Mono-atomic gold can be made from regular gold and it can be processed from certain ores, many of which are found in places like Arizona in the United States. This, I suggest, is the true meaning of the references to gold and gold mining in the Sumerian Tablets and not literally mining for normal gold, unless that was done to create the mono-atomic variety. This substance gave - gives - the reptilians amazing abilities to process information and shapeshift because of the staggering amounts of energy they can hold and process. I am sure the ancient Egyptians, Sumerians, Babylonians, and Phoenicians etc. used this, or more accurately, their ruling elite did, thus giving them a mental potential denied the general population. The same continues today. This was one of the big secrets held within the Mystery Schools and passed on into the top levels of the modern secret society network. Mono-atomic gold also has unbelievable healing properties in that it aligns the cells to carry phenomenal amounts of light energy, thus dispersing the blockages and imbalances we call disease or illness". [
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05. 
Re: Chris White "debunks" Michael Tsarion
quote: "No one person right now has the full truth, but many have different pieces of the puzzle. You can pretty easily 'debunk' any one researcher by focusing on what they might be wrong about, but then you're ignoring everything they might be right about too...
My guess is, Chris is upset with Tsarion's stuff because Tsarion believes Jesus wasn't real and there is no truth in Jesus message, whereas Chris is a Christian so this offends his beliefs.
Personally, I see that Tsarion has a lot of interesting stuff and is well worth checking out, but he certainly hasn't swayed me in my own spiritual beliefs on the validity of the message: 'do unto others as they would have them do unto you' that Jesus taught, nor the inner teachings of Christ that Jesus taught.
Perhaps there is a middle ground, where yes, Jesus story is very similar to Horus and many other ancient gods, but that doesn't necessarily mean it didn't happen in the physical. Maybe Jesus played out a universal teaching in the physical 2000 years ago so we could all collectively learn the lessons from it, and then his story was manipulated and stolen by the same religious elite that put him to death to make his story inaccessible to us.
Perhaps Jesus true mission was to show us we are ALL capable of doing the 'miracles' that Jesus did when we get past all the religious hoopla and connect to the source, the father consciousness (or more accurately, father / mother consciousness), within and overcome our own illusions of separation.
So perhaps Tsarion is correct in a lot of his research that Jesus story matches many ancient stories, and that he wasn't 'the only son of god' who was a blood sacrifice to "God" for our sins, but perhaps he is incorrect in when he says Jesus is not real and we should just ignore all of the inner teachings.
I agree that infighting between searchers of truth, like it appears Chris is doing here, is not a productive approach. Chris may have a part of the puzzle and Tsarion as well, but it may not be the highest good to attack another researcher based on our partial truth. Might be best if researchers focus on their own truth rather than attacking / debunking someone else's".
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06. @Steven of Project Avalon on "David Icke Debunked"
quote: "That's just another debunking from Chris White. It's been the third time now on this forum that I lift the flag about Mr. 'crusader' Chris White. If you search a bit for the man, you will notice that he has debunked almost all of the most popular 'whistleblowers/researchers' in the Anglo Saxon community.
But, he even debunked the Mayan calendars! Hehe. Anyway, the guy isn't interested in the truth, but rather defending his own belief system. He was once a member of avalon1 and came to debunk. He wasn't with us for long...
Hope this help, just search for the man and you'll see my point.
His material are a lost of precious time, that's for sure in my perspective.
Steven"
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07. @Fredkc of Project Avalon quote: "it seems like a rather desperate attempt at associating Icke with everything from NWO, possession, fairies, demons, and psychosis, to bad drugs.
THEN he tries to make a case that none of this exists.
From what little I've read of him, even David Icke himself isn't this convoluted".
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08. @norman of Project Avalon quote: "It doesn't dent my respect for David Icke one bit.
For me, it just ups the name of the game a tad.
Eventually all truth workers betray their pet entertainments and this guy betrays his, he's clearly a bible 'basher'. That doesn't disqualify him from contributing his best efforts to the discussion though. In any healthy discussion we try to air the most precious of peoples views without getting bogged down in individual struggles.
I got a lot from this film. Perhaps not what the creator might have wanted me to get from it, but I got a lot. He has a clarity of logic that would be nice to see more.
After watching the entire video I don't feel that he has "debunked" David Icke at all. David Icke comes out of it still David Icke ' the truth worker' that he was before it started. We are all scrambling around sifting and sorting clues and getting things wrong etc etc.... David Icke is still monumental in that scramble in my eyes".
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09. @Bill Ryan Founder of Project Avalon
quote: "Hi there - I have a great respect and appreciation for all your contributions and your clear thought: but the notion that David Icke is a Mason was not 'borne out' in that radio interview.
The woman, Hepsehboah, was simply saying that Icke was upset when confronted with the accusation that he was a Mason. (And she knew so much about Icke that she could not even pronounce his
name.)
I sometimes get upset when people confront me with that, too - and all it means is that I've had it up to the eyebrows with people's stupidity.
Being a semi-public figure does not mean that one has to bear all mindless, thoughtless accusations with a smile and a laugh. Sometimes they hurt, at the end of a long day.
Believe me. Someone devotes their life to going right out on the thinnest limb one can imagine, and then one hears stuff like that.
It's like James Casbolt (Michael Prince) claiming I work for MI6, or Richard Sauder saying that that Project Camelot was a 1960s government project. Give me a break. After a while, you don't feel like laughing any more and you just wish people could be smarter or saner - preferably both.
For David Icke and his "Masonic handshake" - enjoy this very funny one minute outtake from my interview with him in 2010. He can't shake hands at all".
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10. @Fructedor of Project Avalon quote: "As far as I know, this was something he said on the infamous Wogan show in 1991. He certainly got thraped for that statement. Icke has since explained that he had realised for the first time that he, like all of us, is of divine essence, and that was what he meant.
In my opinion, in the 20 years since then, he’s done more than enough to reassure the open-minded that he works hard for a good cause, and is sincere in his beliefs. He certainly doesn’t act as though he thought he was Jesus. He’s said himself on numerous occasions that we should not believe anything he says without doing our own research.
I reckon many people regularly access information which is not the result of left-brain analysis and calculation – what’s intuition, for example? We are free to trust it or not. Claiming to be a ‘channel’ for divine messages does sort of set you up for being shot at – but then again, some ‘channeled’ information does seem to bear out. And plenty does not. How do we judge the pertinence of all this? The same way we deal with stuff we hear in a bar – we listen, and we weigh it in our own hearts. I don’t think David Icke, or Jesus for that matter, would argue with that.
Trouble comes when we expect other people to give us ‘The Answer’ to our ‘Questions or Problems.’ Accept and appreciate enlightened guidance, OK. Wait for someone else to do the work for us, less OK. Take what you need and leave the rest. And give something back, one way or another.
Funny how the phrase ‘debunk’ began with the idea of demasking charlatans, but has since become the title on damage control operations used by so many with so much to hide.
I'll watch the Chris White video. Thanks for this thread.
Best wishes
Fructedor"
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11. @Lord Sidious of Project Avalon quote: "I am not a fan of David Icke. That being said, I don't usually agree with anyone 100% and I don't expect too, but the thing I do credit him with is igniting or uncovering that spark in people that changes their way of thinking and they then go out and start to see, rather than just look. So, if nothing else, he is helping to start people on their own journey and he should be credited for that at least".
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12. @RUSirius of Project Avalon quote: "It seems pretty obvious to me that they are trying to Debunk him, to illegitmize him. I'd say minimum 80% of what David Icke says is true, and that which is not true is probably pretty darn close to true but not right on. Definitely read his book, pretty mind blowing material that just fits in with everything most of us know".
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13. Banshee (here) and if I might.... "like or dislike" is difficult to assign. We might feel completely differently if were were seated, face to face enjoying one another's company. What I would like to think is that we might dislike a
thought or an expression of thought. That said, are we really going to learn anything unless we push the boundaries of our comfort? Will we not grow intellectually and spiritually if we sit in the midst of an uncomfortable thought and attempt to understand its meaning without maligning the poster? Its a challenge, but in my opinion, one worth accepting.
14. @Fred Steeves of Project Avalon quote: "Right on Banshee! I know I'm not alone here in being one who just LOVES to push the boundaries of comfort, (my own included)although mutual respect is absolutely all important.
David Icke certainly challenged my comfort zone, and I ignorantly detested him for it. Until he suddenly became instrumental in my awakening. Now I've devoured 5 of his books, along with being exposed to places like this as a result. Go figure.
Strange days have truly found us.
Cheers,
Fred S."
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15. @majapahitof Project Avalon quote: "Chris White himself is a 'Jesus Boy' (like in 'fundamental'). And hides this for 2 hours and 29 minutes, with rather overwhelming pseudo academic discourse very clever indeed, and with major talent unless, of course, one encounters someone like me the better educated and versed in such rethorica (and a lot older, which is key
)
White finally quotes the Bible, to impress on his public, the (his) only true path to truth and evolution .. Mathew 11:20: "Take my yoke upon you .. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light",
which is, of course, in it's very substance, word for word as it were, & to duplicate White's own way of 'deconstruction' (aha) Not True in its own very substance.
Jesus burden is Hard, of course. Jesus is superman.
A servant to serve (.. or else, you bloody heathen).
And White finally wants us to pray for Icke's somewhat good intending soul
.. yeah right, mt".
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16. @GK76 of Project Avalon quote: "This video has touched me in ways no other video has before... Never before have I suffered through over two hours of dismal whiny dross specially packaged as a video. Honestly, if I ever want a self induced coma I'll know where to go.
It takes a 'special' kind of person to do Chris White's job. The strangest part is, this has been published without any attempt of putting the questions to David to defend himself... Like I said it takes a 'special' kind of person.
To take some points and disprove them, or add a new way of looking at it does not mean the person is a liar and was out to spread disinfo. Yet somehow the very title is "David Icke Debunked", does this mean: to disprove one thing in his work is to discredit everything in his life? After all it is David the human being who has apparently been "debunked", not his work. Or is this title a blatant slur on his character? (as intended no doubt)
I've seen David's work, not once has he given 100% guarantee on his information, as always the life's work of any individual would no doubt evolve over time as thinking progresses and new information comes to hand - he provides the information to intelligent people to discern, he doesn't force information on people.
Sadly for Mr White: his 'total-war' defamatory efforts have come to naught (in/on) my opinion. As described by someone earlier - David's work, bravely outing the pedophile rings and general abuse of the people's God given rights, this, to me speaks volumes about his character. The only person who's colours have been fully shown here is clear to me. And I want my 2 hours of life back scumbag... I'm off for a shower, this video makes me feel unclean.
Yes, I know I could throw this post through the same thought processes, but in defending my cause is noble.
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17. @Bill Ryan Founder of Project Avalon
quote: "Dear Friend
You know I have a great respect for your contributions, and am delighted you're part of this community.
But you're citing criticisms of David Icke from notorious wizard-hunter (never a witch-hunter!) Laura Knight-Jadzyck??
She is
not a reliable or straight-thinking investigator... she still believes I'm somehow working for the government, and in league with ATS".
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18. @Rainbow44 of Project Avalon quote: "What's the point of putting the movie up?
Seriously at this point most people here know who David Icke is and I think that he is a main influence on waking up a lot of people. As a quote from Martha Graham states, "You are unique and if that is not fulfilled then something has been lost."
David Icke fulfills his sense of his beliefs and ideals and the fact that he is still here in the forefront of our times becoming a major target says so much!
Bill, Kerry, David.........they are all walking their talk. You just have to decide if you want to listen.
Blessings,
Rainbow"
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19. @Rainbow44 of Project Avalon quote: "Isn't that life........life is about change. Who is it that hasn't clarified themselves?? Most of us as we understand information tend to change it according to life lessons. Just because someone gets older through life doesn't mean they don't have the same passion and intensity for what they are saying....they may have betters ways of saying what they mean and getting it out to the masses.
Not many people are willing to be up front and targets because it's safer sit back from the sidelines and observe".
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20. @Lancelot of Project Avalon quote: "Sounds like Chris White is the one who needs debunking. This video does no discredit to David Icke, it only discredits Chris White".
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21. @prometheus of Project Avalon quote: "I've watched the Icke's video. There are a lot of people who are not able to accept another kind of thinking, overall, theses whom their religious education represents the base of their entire life. I think that watching all those "awakening-videos´, they may think that we are the devil itself.
The arguments, which are presented in this video are not convincing at all. The theosophical-ground-ideas of Founder Madame Blavatsky are distorted by Alice Bailey. Don't forget, that Blavatsky was accused of fraud by the Christian College Magazine (Alexis and Emma Coulomb); magazine, which had no interest in revealing kind of information (esoteric, occultism). I don't know which path Alice Bailey chose, but if the video's information is right, I can say, that she was very far from Blavatsky´s Doctrine. I recommend very much Blavatsky´s books: The Secret Doctrine (1888) and Isis unveiled (1877). They have a lot of interesting passages, which make you think that she was right about many concepts.
Mahatma Ghandi and Alexander Scriabin were two celebrities, who were firstly influenced by Blavatsky, following afterwards both different paths in order to develop their own thoughts.
- To think that David Icke is a Theosophist doesn't make sense.
- To think that there is interest from certain religious groups to debunk people, who are doing great work in awaking humanity, makes more sense.
To conclude, I would like to add that I think it is very important to give an opportunity to these people, who have done and are doing amazing work for all of us, to express and discover the truth, without doubting from the beginning what they are saying. Sometimes, in order to discover the real truth, one should look also from the other side".
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Anyway, the guy isn't interested in the truth, but rather defending his belief system. Spot on and so often the case. It's pathetic and painfully transparent...
22. @MorningFox of Project Avalon quote: "To go out of your way to try to discredit someone simply because they don't fit into your belief system is a rather poisonous pastime".
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I totally understand many Avalonians may ask:
"John why do you post 20+ one-sided quotes sharing their perspectives of "Chris White" and his alleged "debunking" of David Icke?" ...
Answer is very simple: Some (in my view, fanatic) Christian Truthers who also do great work, assume that "everybody knows" that David Icke is "debunked" can "not be wrong" .... Sarcasm turned on: "reallly?"
cheers,
John Kuhles aka 'ExomatrixTV'
April 18th, 2022 🦜🦋🌳
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