WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

[Ravenlocke]

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Putin introduces accession treaties to State Duma for ratification

They were signed in Moscow on September 30, 2022

MOSCOW, October 2. /TASS/. Russian President Vladimir Putin introduced the four treaties on accession of the four new regions to Russia to the State Duma for ratification, according to the Duma online database.

"Ratify the treaty between Russia and DPR on accession of Donetsk People’s Republic to Russia as a new region," signed in Moscow on September 30, 2022," one entry reads.

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Duma speaker says bills on accession of new entities to Russia to be considered on Oct. 3

According to Volodin, the integration of Crimea and Sevastopol required "the adoption of around 70 bills"

MOSCOW, October 2. /TASS/. The State Duma (lower house) will consider the drafts of constitutional laws on accession of the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics (DPR and LPR), and the Kherson and Zaporozhye Regions to Russia, as well as on ratification of respective international treaties, at a plenary meeting on Monday, October 3, Speaker Vyacheslav Volodin said in an interview with the host of the "Moscow. Kremlin. Putin" show Pavel Zarubin.

"On Monday we will consider amendments to constitutional law, as well as ratification of international agreements that have been announced, dealing with the development of legal framework, so that each citizen living on the territory of four new entities feels protected, being within the common framework of the law from the viewpoint of both social protection, financial system, and economic space," he said in the program aired on Sunday.

According to Volodin, the integration of Crimea and Sevastopol required "the adoption of around 70 bills."

Earlier on Sunday Russia’s Constitutional Court approved the package of documents on accession of the Donetsk People’s Republic, the Lugansk People’s Republic, the Kherson Region and the Zaporozhye Region to the Russian Federation submitted by Russian President.

From September 23 to September 27, the Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) and the Lugansk People’s Republic (LPR) as well as the Kherson Region and the Zaporozhye Region held a referendum where the majority of voters opted to join Russia. On Friday, Russian President Vladimir Putin and the heads of the DPR and the LPR, the Zaporozhye and Kherson Regions signed treaties on their accession to Russia.

[Ravenlocke]

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Russia not reelected to ICAO Council - Reuters

According to the news agency, Russia did not receive the sufficient number of votes

MOSCOW, October 1. /TASS/. Russia was not reelected to the Executive Council of the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO), Reuters reported on Saturday.

According to the news agency, Russia did not receive the sufficient number of votes to remain in the council.

On its Twitter page, the ICAO published a list of countries included in the council following the Saturday vote. Within the framework of the first stage of voting, Australia, Brazil, the UK, Germany, Italy, Canada, China, the US, France and Japan were elected.

Earlier, Canadian Minister of Transport Omar Alghabra told Reuters that Canada was going to vote against electing Russia.

The Council consists of 36 ICAO member states.


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Russia remains ICAO member — Federal Air Transport Agency

The Federal Air Transport Agency said that Russia's withdrawal from the ICAO Council will not affect international flights from Russia to friendly countries


MOSCOW, October 2. /TASS/. Russia retains its right to full membership in the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) and will continue its work through the country's representation at the ICAO, the press service of Russia’s Federal Air Transport Agency (Rosaviatsiya) told reporters on Saturday.

Reuters earlier reported that Russia was not reelected to the ICAO Executive Council. According to it, Russia did not get enough votes to remain at the council. As the Federal Air Transport Agency clarified, Russia received 80 votes, with the required number of votes being 86.

"At the same time, according to the rules of permanent procedures for voting in the council, taking into account the non-election of the 11th member of the council, a re-vote is required. However, the Russian delegation was denied this," the Federal Air Transport Agency said, calling such a decision political. "Russia reserves the right of full membership in the international organization and will continue its work through the representation of Russia in the ICAO, as well as in specialized working groups of the ICAO".

Moreover, the Federal Air Transport Agency added that Russia's withdrawal from the ICAO Council will not affect international flights from Russia to friendly countries. "The Russian Federation will, as before, in its activities adhere to the recommended practices and standards of the ICAO, continuing to ensure high standards of flight safety," the agency said, "The international flights by Russian airlines to friendly countries will not be affected by this decision, as such cooperation is based on bilateral agreements in the field of air communication."

Russia's contribution to the development of international aviation is recognized worldwide, the Federal Air Transport Agency added. The agency recalled that a number of Russian initiatives have been adopted in the ICAO framework as a standard, and many of its proposals are used by states to develop safe international air traffic.





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Fighter aviation of Russian Aerospace Forces downs Ukrainian MiG-29 in Nikolayev region


Over 270 Ukrainian troops eliminated on Nikolayev-Krivoi Rog direction

MOSCOW, October 1. /TASS/. The fighter aviation of Russia’s Aerospace Forces downed a Ukrainian MiG-29 in the vicinity of the Pavlovka populated locality in the Nikolayev region, Russian Defense Ministry Spokesman Igor Konashenkov said on Saturday.

"The fighter aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces downed a MiG-29 of Ukraine’s air force in the vicinity of the Pavlovka community in the Nikolayev region," he said.

Nikolayev-Krivoi Rog direction

Russian troops eliminated more than 270 Ukrainian servicemen and five tanks while deflecting the Ukrainian army’s attempt to advance on the Nikolayev-Krivoi Rog direction, Konashenkov said.

"On the Nikolayev-Krivoi Rog direction as a result of deflecting the adversary’s attempt to advance, the units of Russian troops have eliminated over 270 Ukrainian servicemen, five tanks, six infantry combat vehicles, 23 armored combat vehicles and 11 cars over 24 hours," he said.

Krasny Liman

Allied troops pulled out of Krasny Liman in the Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) while Russia’s forces have eliminated over 200 Ukrainian servicemen on this direction over 24 hours, Spokesman said.

"Due to the emerged threat of encirclement, the allied forces were withdrawn from the Krasny Liman populated locality to more advantageous positions," he said.

According to the military official, Russian troops eliminated more than 200 Ukrainian servicemen, five tanks and nine infantry combat vehicles on the Krasny Liman direction. He specified that despite heavy losses, the adversary brought in reserve troops and continued advancing.

HIMARS, HARM and Tochka-U

Russian air defense systems have eliminated seven HIMARS multiple-launch rocket system rockets, two US-made anti-radiation HARM missiles and one Tochka-U tactical missile over 24 hours, Russian Defense Ministry said.

"Seven rockets from the US-made HIMARS multiple-launch rocket systems and two US-made anti-radiation HARM missiles were eliminated in air near Novaya Kakhovka in the Kherson Region. Additionally, over the populated locality of Liptsy in the Kharkov region a tactical Tochka-U missile was taken down," the spokesman said. He also specified that 14 drones have been eliminated over 24 hours.

According to the Russian Defense Ministry, in all, since the onset of the special military operation, Russia’s Armed Forces have eliminated 310 aircraft, 155 helicopters, 2,126 unmanned aerial vehicles, 378 air defense systems, over 5,200 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 858 multiple-launch rocket system combat vehicles, 3,441 field artillery weapons and mortars as well as 6,025 units of special military automotive equipment.

Kupyansk

Russia’s Armed Forces eliminated more than 50 militants with a rocket strike on a deployment center of a Ukrainian military brigade in the vicinity of Kupyansk, Konashenkov said.

"In the vicinity of the populated locality of Kupyansk in the Kharkov region, a rocket strike eliminated a temporary deployment center of a unit of the 14th mechanized brigade of the Ukrainian army. More than 50 militants and 12 units of special military equipment were eliminated," he said.

Ukrainian troops

Russia’s Aerospace Forces destroyed two US-made HIMARS multiple-launch rocket systems (MLRS) and eliminated up to 60 Ukrainian servicemen in the vicinity of Zaporozhye within the framework of the special military operation, Russian Defense Ministry Spokesman said on.

"Surgical strikes by the Russian Aerospace Forces on temporary deployment centers of the second battalion and rocket and artillery division of the 65th mechanized brigade of the Ukrainian army in the vicinity of the city of Zaporozhye eliminated up to 60 servicemen and 10 units of military equipment, as well as two US-made HIMARS multiple-launch rocket systems," he said.

Buk-M1

Russia’s Armed Forces eliminated a launch pad of a Ukrainian Buk-M1 missile launcher in the Zaporozhye Region, Konashenkov said.

"Four missile/artillery arms and ammunition depots were eliminated in the vicinity of the populated localities of Rovnopolye in the Zaporozhye Region, Kramatorsk, Druzhkovka in the Donetsk People’s Republic, Kalinovka in the Nikolayev Region as well as a launch pad of a Buk-M1 missile launcher near the community of Grigorovka in the Zaporozhye Region," he said.

Ukrainian command posts

Russian aviation and artillery eliminated six command posts of Ukraine’s armed forces, Konashenkov said.

"Strikes by tactical and army aviation, missile troops and artillery hit six Ukrainian command posts in the vicinity of the populated localities of Yampol, Artyomovsk, Seversk in the Donetsk People’s Republic, Novoandreyevka, Gulyaypole in the Zaporozhye Region, Poligon in the Nikolayev Region as well as 68 artillery units, manpower and military equipment in 153 districts," he said.

Novopol in DPR

Ukrainian losses amounted to more than 100 troops killed or wounded, two tanks and six vehicles in the vicinity of Novopol in the Donetsk People’s Republic, Spokesman said.

"Near Novopol in the Donetsk People’s Republic as a result of a fire attack on the units of the 110th territorial defense brigade, over 110 nationalists were killed or wounded, two tanks and six vehicles were eliminated," the military official noted.

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[Ravenlocke]

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Ex-Trump Pentagon Aide Names Likely Culprits Behind Nord Stream Sabotage

The massive pipelines, designed to deliver up to 110 billion cubic meters of natural gas from Russia to Germany across the Baltic Sea every year were sabotaged on Monday. Russian President Vladimir Putin accused the “Anglo-Saxons” of targeting the Russian pipelines to deliberately destroy Europe’s energy infrastructure.


The United States and Britain are the primary suspects in the sabotage attacks against Nord Stream 1 and 2 based on a cost-benefit analysis, former Trump Pentagon advisor Douglas Macgregor believes.
“Let’s use the process of elimination. Would the Russians destroy their own pipeline? 40 percent of Russian gross national product or gross domestic product consists of foreign currency that comes into the country to purchase natural gas, oil, coal and so forth. So the Russians did not do this. The notion that they did I think is absurd,” Macgregor said, speaking to syndicated columnist Judge Napolitano on the Judging Freedom podcast.
Germany, the pipeline’s primary European beneficiary, is also “extremely unlikely” to have sabotaged the infrastructure, Macgregor said, pointing to Berlin’s economic interest in the pipelines, and dependence on Nord Stream for the country’s energy security.
“Who else might be involved? Well the Poles apparently seem to be very enthusiastic about it. As you know the [former] Polish foreign minister said ‘Thank You United States of America’ for doing this,” Macgregor added, referring to Radoslaw Sikorski’s now-deleted tweet about the incident.

“Then you have to look at who are the state actors that have the capability to do this. And that means the Royal Navy, the United States Navy Special Operations. I think that’s pretty clear. We know that thousands of pounds of TNT were used because these pipelines are enormously robust. You have several inches of concrete around various metal alloys to move the natural gas. So it’s not something that you could simply drop a grenade down at the end of a fish line and disrupt. That means it takes a certain amount of sophistication,” the former official, who is also a retired US Army colonel, explained.
On Wednesday, sources told the Wall Street Journal that Danish officials at a NATO meeting had calculated that the force of more than 500 kg of TNT had been detected in each of the explosions disrupting the Nord Stream pipelines, which led to the release of massive methane bubbles on the surface of the Baltic Sea.
Macgregor suggested that the sabotage attack on the Russian gas pipelines may have ultimately been perpetrated after Berlin, the economic and military “gorilla in the room when it comes to the EU and NATO,” began “to give the impression that they were no longer going to go along with this proxy war in Ukraine.”
“I’m hesitant to say ‘we know it must have been Washington’. I can’t say that because we just don’t know. But it’s very clear that we have foreclosed Berlin’s options. Berlin was drifting away from this alliance. [Chancellor] Olaf Scholz said ‘I’m not sending any more equipment, I won’t send any tanks’. Now he’s in a bind because the United States has simply robbed him of the option of bailing out. Who’s going to supply him gas and oil and coal and everything else if he bails out? Where does he turn now? And remember, the Germans, who are facing terrible consequences at home refuse to restart nuclear power plants,” the former official said.

Macgregor believes that the German government may eventually collapse due to the energy crisis, and suggested that the Ukrainian security crisis has also placed NATO itself on a “slippery path” to potential disintegration in the long run.
'Unprecedented Act of State Terrorism'
The Kremlin characterized the sabotage of the Nord Stream network as an “unprecedented act of state terrorism.” In an address to the nation on Friday dedicated to the entry of four new regions into the Russian Federation, President Vladimir Putin accused the “Anglo-Saxons” of sabotaging the pipelines to destroy Europe’s energy infrastructure. “It is clear to everyone who stands to gain. Those who benefit are responsible, of course,” Putin said.
Also on Friday, Russian Foreign Intelligence Service chief Sergei Naryshkin told reporters that Moscow has materials that “point to the Western footprint in organizing and carrying out” the sabotage.

Officials in Denmark, Sweden and Germany have not ruled out deliberate disruption, and NATO has paid lip service to supporting investigations “underway to determine the origin of the damage.”
A Pentagon spokesman refused to answer a question by Sputnik about the suspected presence of US military helicopters in areas off Denmark’s Bornholm Island where the gas leaks occurred prior to the incidents.
Meanwhile, Western officials and media have claimed that Russia sabotaged its own pipelines. Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov dismissed speculation to that effect last week, saying the West's claims were "quite predictable," and that it was "predictably stupid and absurd to express such hypotheses."

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/coope125/status/1576588083880873984

[Vicus]

Putin Speech Told Ukraine to Halt Attacks; Ukraine Attacked Harder - Now, Iskander-M's Coming in from Russia

In his landmark speech at yesterday's ceremony to accept four formerly Ukrainian regions into Russia, President Vladimir Putin told Ukraine to Cease-Fire and return to the negotiating table. He pointed out that the four territories are "now Russian citizens, FOREVER." Instead of stopping its attacks, Ukraine attacked worse.

Russia told Ukraine not to attack the areas that had the Referendums, after the referendums were completed, or the Hammer would be dropped. People are now being killed across the referendum areas by Ukraine shelling. Donetsk today,. Across city is being hit. What is Russia going to do now?

Apparently, what Russia is going to do now is answered: trainloads of Russian Iskander-M hypersonic missiles are now entering the Kherson Region. Video below shows one such trainload:

Iskander-M

This is a Variant for the Russian Armed Forces Iskander missile forces, with two 9M723 quasi-ballistic missiles with published range 415 km, rumored 500 km. Speed Mach 6–7, flight altitude up to 6–50 km, nuclear capable stealth missile, controlled at all stages, not ballistic flight path.

Immediately after the launch and upon approach to the target, the missile performs intensive maneuvering to evade anti-ballistic missiles. The missile constantly maneuvers during flight as well.

These missiles are REAL power. This is very heavy military weaponry; not some rinky-dink token of power. Ukraine is bringing this upon itself.

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index...in-from-russia

[I am B]

To Bill or any other mod around. This is exactly what I meant on my last (and only) post in the Poll Thread.

I literally read nothing from the last 2 pages, and the worse is, I probably skipped something interesting/relevant.



Sorry, back to topic.

[Vicus]

SCOTT RITTER: The Onus Is on Biden & Putin

We are, literally, on the eve of destruction. Now is the time for the kind of political maturity leaders rarely demonstrate.

The reality, however, is that Russian nuclear doctrine does not allow for such a scenario. Indeed, there are only two conditions where Russian nuclear doctrine permits the employment of nuclear weapons.

No 1. “[I]n response to the use of nuclear and other types of weapons of mass destruction against it and/or its allies,” the 2020 Russian Nuclear Posture document states, or

No 2. “in the event of aggression against the Russian Federation with the use of conventional weapons when the very existence of the state is in jeopardy.”

U.S. nuclear posture, however, does allow it.

“[T]he United States will maintain the range of flexible nuclear capabilities,” the 2018 U.S. Nuclear Posture Review (NPR) declared, “needed to ensure that nuclear or non-nuclear aggression against the United States, allies, and partners will fail to achieve its objectives and carry with it the credible risk of intolerable consequences for potential adversaries now and in the future.”

It should be noted that the 2018 NPR was promulgated during the administration of President Donald Trump. Although the Biden administration initiated the NPR process in September 2021, it has yet to publish an updated document.

By ignoring stated Russian nuclear policy, and instead mirror-imaging U.S. nuclear policy onto Russian behavior, the U.S., NATO and Ukraine are setting themselves — and the world — up for disaster.


continue: https://consortiumnews.com/2022/09/3...n-biden-putin/

[Mashika]

Posted by I am B (here)
To Bill or any other mod around. This is exactly what I meant on my last (and only) post in the Poll Thread.

I literally read nothing from the last 2 pages, and the worse is, I probably skipped something interesting/relevant.



Sorry, back to topic.

[Mashika]

Posted by Justplain (here)
What of the loyal Ukrainians who have have had to abandon their homes and communities that have been flattened by the Russian artillery? What of those who have died or been abused by Russian forces? That is all western propaganda you say. Sure.

Do you have examples of that? Or just "somewhere it must have happened!"

You are acting all hysterical right there. I bet you can't point to one single instance of that and i can tell you why. Those "communities that have been flattened by the Russian artillery" are actually the ones that were shelled to the ground by the UkroNazis, and then the western fake and corrupt media that you dearly love and read every day for your daily hit of disinformation reported it as "Russian shelling"

But please list all those places, with names and dates, it must be out there, right? Such as crime would not go unreported in detail

Everything else you said is wrong, purposedly lacking in detail or simply pure hate based reasoning, which means it can be thrown away as it is not an educated opinion but more like screaming to people's faces on the street corner that the end is nigh

Also one thing at a time, i'll wait and see if you can come up with that list of towns that were flattened by the Russian artillery, and then we can go one by one and see if it's true

I expect:

1. Date of the event
2. Name and location of the town/village/city
3. Number of casualties
4. If there are, street interviews or videos of the people who survived and are witnesses, just like we see when Ukraine hits towns all over Donetsk
5. Any articles or reports on the media where it was reported

Let's see if you have some actual evidence or you were fooled by the media you love and respect but that spits in your face a bunch of lies every single time you watch or read it

Let the waiting game begin!

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Posted by Blastolabs (here)

Posted by Justplain (here)
Does no one here question the logic of the Russians to potentially use nukes to defend their illegitimate land grab in the Ukraine? Even if you think your neighbour practices satanism, does that justify stealing his backyard by force? How can a man who invades be called the leader of the free world? I can't believe what I'm reading on this thread.

What specifically leads you to say that this is an illegitimate land grab?

At this point do you realize what would happen if Russia just left Ukraine a week ago and abandoned all the civilians in contested regions?

How do you think Ukraine would treat Russian speaking Ukrainians in the region? Do you think they would be left alive?
Are you aware of what has been happening in Ukraine since 2014?

What do the people in the region have to say?

Putin has not used nukes, so not sure why you are criticizing Russia for something that has not happened?

Its an illegitimate land grab because all of the republics of the ussr accepted the borders at the dissolution of the ussr. Also the Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons in exchange for security guarantees that have clearly not been honored.

I would think that a peacekeeping force could have been deployed to ensure the security of russian speaking people in contested regions, and this could have been achieved without an invasion.

What of the loyal Ukrainians who have have had to abandon their homes and communities that have been flattened by the Russian artillery? What of those who have died or been abused by Russian forces? That is all western propaganda you say. Sure.

And regarding those referenda, what legitimacy can you give a vote in a land controlled by military occupation whose residents have mostly fled, or died, and who vote under duress? Another question is did Russia hold any such referendum in Chechnya before the most recent Chechnyan war? Of course they didnt cuz this is all bull****.

You guys have drunk the Putin koolaid, sorry, but the mass murderer Putin is not the leader of the free world. And the next think we'll see this maniac you idolize dropping nukes in the Ukraine. And you'll likely still support him then. Give your head a shake.

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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...has-just-begun

[Mashika]

Posted by Hym (here)
"WELCOME back to this America's Voice NEWSbreak. I'm Terence Bates. Russian President Vladimir Putin just LAUNCHED the process of annexing parts of Ukraine when he signed a law ABSORBING the four territories into Russia, despite INTERNATIONAL CONDEMNATION.

In the meantime, REPORTS out of those areas INDICATE convoys of people FLEEING every single day in order to avoid the SEEMINGLY UNPOPULAR Russian annexation. According to a REUTERS REPORT, one of those convoys in Southern Ukraine was the VICTIM of an ALLEGED Russian missile attack, killing MORE THAN 20 civilians, this morning. That convoy was assembling in a car park near Zaporozhye city in order to carry people and supplies into the RUSSIAN HELD territory.

Meantime, Ukraine says it will take back all of its territories. Russian officials, including the country's foreign minister have REPORTEDLY SAID the THREAT of nuclear retaliation would apply to any attacks on the areas THEY plan to annex."

I found it very odd, the way to blame Russia for something so openly done by Ukraine

But this is the most odd thing about it:

REPORTS out of those areas INDICATE convoys of people FLEEING every single day in order to avoid the SEEMINGLY UNPOPULAR Russian annexation

And then:

That convoy was assembling in a car park near Zaporozhye city in order to carry people and supplies into the RUSSIAN HELD territory

If they are fleeing due to the "unpopular Russian annexation", then how can they also be traveling to the "Russian held territory", as if they were 'outside'? These people live on that same territory, where are they going to? They are already inside the annexed territory, they could only move out of it, and they were moving out, to the Russian side, running away from the Ukro-Nazi, so that explanation doesn't make any sense except from a point of view of distorting reality so much to make excuses for Ukraine's crime, that reality turns into a retarded cartoon full of illogical, laughable, twisted 'facts', and truly shameless disrespect for the public reading that 'report'. It's like they think people are so low cognitive they can just say whatever and as much as illogical as it is people will just accept it

Western media:


But very sad that in a lot of cases it is exactly what happens

[Mashika]

Quick note, for future reference and clarification

I read a post about some Russian car plate, and it said "the Russian plate" or something like that. Then a question or observation came about that sentence

The thing is, in Russian, "the", "a" and so on, do not have equals as in English, so you can see when someone has translated and the translator 'filled' in the missing words

So for example here

Russian security forces detained an employee of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in Kherson, who handed over to the Ukrainian side the coordinates of the house, which was subsequently hit by a missile attack.

Here you see again the same use of "the" just as in "the Russian plate"

"The house" but should have said "coordinates of a house which was subsequently hit by a missile attack" but if you were to translate literarily it would have said "coordinates of house", the translator filled in the missing word, but chose "the" by default because it can't figure out what else to use there

I suppose i don't see much issue with that but must look very weird or even bothering for native English speakers, and now that i noticed this i can't stop seeing it all over the place... and it is starting to bother me, because why aren't the posters double checking the translation and fixing those errors?

Also:

"The main thing" is another 'artifact' of translators that i see a lot when reading the daily situation reports. It should be more like "Main points for 2 October" or something similar instead of a very literal translation that sounds very off, but it looks like no one cares to correct translator issues, lazy......

Like here


Now i'm afraid to go look back into my own posts and then find that i have sinned the same way in the past...

[Hym]

Yes, Mashika.?????? WTF !!!!! At what point do people finally admit that they just didn't read or watch, so good for those that admit it.
That is the bare minimum for participation here. All are welcome, but....Jeez!!!

Western media has almost always been as bad as it is now. That one station inserting the vile LIE that it was not UkraNazimia killing innocents was too much for me. In the context of how honest people see corruption, I should have seen this coming from that new site.

I could have chosen many, hell..ANY of the MSM sites to get fed that crap, but this goes way beyond me or anyone else not being surprised that could happen from a group of people, many from former government positions, who have been doing so good about waking up a country about a local and globalist agenda to enslave humanity. Yet, treating the atrocities in Ukraine so flippantly and with the same deceptive template that marks media as a tool of criminality, CANNOT be left without the loudest opposition and rebuke. Anyone who CAN READ, and who CAN OPEN THEIR EYES TO SEE, can WATCH the endless criminal complicity of a so-called media in a country of so-called free people of the western demonocracies not calling out the genocide. Some say creating FALSE reports like that is easy but I see it differently.

It takes a lot of energy to un-see the documented brutality of all of those regimes created by the corporate interests that control many governments, as they have for almost ever. It took that presenter all on his own, or in his complicity with his news director, or the station manager, or the site owners to dismiss any of Ava Bartletts videos and all of the many others, easily watched on the cheapest phone or computer.

If the newly created "country" of Ukraine had ever lived without such deep poisonous fascists in it since its beginning, I can't see how the Russian Federation or its leadership would ever find a need to go to such lengths to protect its brothers and sisters, its family, there. How did the Poles forget the execution of entire villages of their Jewish citizens by the nazi concubine Bandera, only to sit as they do now welcoming in those to set up another series of massacres across their border?

The poison of western hegemony is like rust and cancer, eating away at everything it comes in contact with. It is a dark, spiritless matter that entraps and feeds greed, pushing it out into the world. The long history of silence when our neighbors are being abused, excused over and over and over again by propagandists, politicians, sociologists, reporters and repeaters alike, needs to be taken to the ground.

Civilians do not know how extremely difficult it is to save large groups of oppressed people under years of attack, while defending yourself and civilians when targeting the fascist cowards, cowards who have used Ukranian civilians as shields, over and over again. For the deeply uninformed here, and anywhere for that matter, who find it hard to simply READ and to easily WATCH videos, to LISTEN to the civilians in these conflicts, it is a fact that out of necessity the liberating forces in any area, and the few as good as the Russians have been, do need to surgically destroy anywhere that their enemies are entrenched, especially the encampments of those who have been murdering their own countrymen, women and children. It is without a doubt that at least some of the contracted western servicemen and the independent whores/mercs have reported to their superiors about the skill with which the Russians have destroyed their positions, while at the same time showing the proof of such skill, which is how concentrated the liberators have been at saving the lives of so many civilians.

[Kryztian]

This isn't someone I would usually cite as a voice of reason or decency, but ...

‘Not wise’ to let Ukraine join NATO – Kissinger
Russia regarded its sphere of influence in Eastern Europe as a “safety belt,” the former US secretary of state said
https://www.rt.com/news/563858-kissi...e-nato-russia/

Washington’s attempts to incorporate Ukraine into NATO after the collapse of the Soviet Union were not prudent, former US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger said on Friday.

Speaking to the Council on Foreign Relations, a non-partisan US think tank, the 99-year-old veteran diplomat argued that Washington tried to indiscriminately include all former members of the Soviet bloc under its umbrella after the Berlin wall fell, and that the “whole region between the center of Europe and Russian border became open to restructure.”

“From the Russian point of view, the United States then attempted to integrate this whole region, without exception, into an American-led strategic system,” he said, adding that this development basically removed Russia’s historic “safety belt.”

Kissinger thus stressed that “it was not a wise American policy to attempt to include Ukraine into NATO.”

He does not believe, however, that this justifies attempts by Russian President Vladimir Putin to re-incorporate Ukraine into Moscow’s sphere of influence by a “surprise attack.”

Kissinger said he does not know if it is possible to make peace with the Russian leader, but stressed that the West “must seek an opportunity for an arrangement that guarantees Ukrainian freedom” and keeps the country part of the European system.

Moreover, Kissinger opined that in a way, Russia has “already lost the war” because its capacity to threaten Europe with conventional attacks, which it had enjoyed for decades or even centuries, “has now been demonstrably overcome.”

Despite that, the former secretary of state signaled that sooner or later, the West and Russia must engage in dialogue. “Some dialogue, maybe on an unofficial level, maybe in an exploratory way is very important,” he reiterated, adding that “in the nuclear environment” such an outcome is preferable to a “battlefield decision.”

In early August, Kissinger warned that the US had found itself “at the edge of war with Russia and China on issues which we partly created,” arguing that Washington has rejected traditional diplomacy, as it has been “seeking to convert or condemn their interlocutors rather than to penetrate their thinking.”

https://www.rt.com/news/563858-kissi...e-nato-russia/

[Michel Leclerc]

Posted by Justplain (here)
Does no one here question the logic of the Russians to potentially use nukes to defend their illegitimate land grab in the Ukraine? Even if you think your neighbour practices satanism, does that justify stealing his backyard by force? How can a man who invades be called the leader of the free world? I can't believe what I'm reading on this thread.

Thank you Justplain. I think the qualifications "illegitimate" and "land grab" are not applicable here.

Apart from that, if "invading" disqualifies a government leader from being "the leader of the free world”, that obviously excludes Ronald Reagan, George Bush, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush and Barack Obama. (Maybe not Donald Trump; I am not sure.)

With all those American presidents being illegitimately thus called, one wonders who were during their tenure the real leaders of the free world. Do you have any idea?

Another thing – all irony aside – you display the Canadian flag. Are you free? As a Belgian living in France, I am not.

[Hym]

Posted by Mashika (here)
Quick note, for future reference and clarification

I read a post about some Russian car plate, and it said "the Russian plate" or something like that. Then a question or observation came about that sentence

The thing is, in Russian, "the", "a" and so on, do not have equals as in English, so you can see when someone has translated and the translator 'filled' in the missing words

So for example here

Russian security forces detained an employee of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in Kherson, who handed over to the Ukrainian side the coordinates of the house, which was subsequently hit by a missile attack.

Here you see again the same use of "the" just as in "the Russian plate"

"The house" but should have said "coordinates of a house which was subsequently hit by a missile attack" but if you were to translate literarily it would have said "coordinates of house", the translator filled in the missing word, but chose "the" by default because it can't figure out what else to use there

I suppose i don't see much issue with that but must look very weird or even bothering for native English speakers, and now that i noticed this i can't stop seeing it all over the place... and it is starting to bother me, because why aren't the posters double checking the translation and fixing those errors?

Also:

"The main thing" is another 'artifact' of translators that i see a lot when reading the daily situation reports. It should be more like "Main points for 2 October" or something similar instead of a very literal translation that sounds very off, but it looks like no one cares to correct translator issues, lazy......

Like here

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Now i'm afraid to go look back into my own posts and then find that i have sinned the same way in the past...

As this thread is about this focal point, that in ways mirrors many of the dark methods that controllers use worldwide to injure the lives of many, it is always telling when we examine how those manipulators use and misuse language. Your catching the western use of phrasing, as incorrect syntax in Russian, is right on the mark.

No sins or errors there Mashika, and as of now, it is only your use of "on" when it may likely be better to write "in" in your most recent posts. Otherwise, you're cool. In fact, very cool.

From the beginning of your writing here I noticed that and offered some insight. However, few if any here are so arrogant or uninformed to consider our language any better than anyone else's. Quite the contrary, and if in the beginning showing a deep respect for your very honest writing alone that few, outside of my offer, have ever thought it anywhere near important, as it wasn't and it isn't.


I understand your posts, probably as you have intended them to be.
In fact, it is in removing any criticism as someone who knows this language well, I learned and liked the simplicity and the lack of prepositional inclusions, as leaving out the "a" the "the", etc. does not change the meaning of a sentence or a phrase. I rather like it.

Native English speakers would do well to allow their predisposition for prepositions to take a rest when learning other languages. Proof of the sillyness, the unnecessary rules of this language, is the axiom that it is improper to end a sentence with a preposition.
My Oh My, How improper of anyone, any commoner, to do such a thing!

I have often challenged myself and all contexts of my writing by going against such rules, if even to spark a bit of free thinking in those who would read any of it.

The inclusion of non-native speakers here is vital and may be one of the most important aspects of the "let's learn together" truths of this insightful and inspiring forum. When I think of Bill and the moderators here, I feel their personal experiences shaping a thoroughly human and humane tolerance, a strength known, that is ultimately a deeper learning for all.

[Michel Leclerc]

Posted by Hym (here)
Yes, Mashika.?????? WTF !!!!! At what point do people finally admit that they just didn't read or watch, so good for those that admit it.
That is the bare minimum for participation here. All are welcome, but....Jeez!!!

Western media has almost always been as bad as it is now. That one station inserting the vile LIE that it was not UkraNazimia killing innocents was too much for me. In the context of how honest people see corruption, I should have seen this coming from that new site.

I could have chosen many, hell..ANY of the MSM sites to get fed that crap, but this goes way beyond me or anyone else not being surprised that could happen from a group of people, many from former government positions, who have been doing so good about waking up a country about a local and globalist agenda to enslave humanity. Yet, treating the atrocities in Ukraine so flippantly and with the same deceptive template that marks media as a tool of criminality, CANNOT be left without the loudest opposition and rebuke. Anyone who CAN READ, and who CAN OPEN THEIR EYES TO SEE, can WATCH the endless criminal complicity of a so-called media in a country of so-called free people of the western demonocracies not calling out the genocide. Some say creating FALSE reports like that is easy but I see it differently.

It takes a lot of energy to un-see the documented brutality of all of those regimes created by the corporate interests that control many governments, as they have for almost ever. It took that presenter all on his own, or in his complicity with his news director, or the station manager, or the site owners to dismiss any of Ava Bartletts videos and all of the many others, easily watched on the cheapest phone or computer.

If the newly created "country" of Ukraine had ever lived without such deep poisonous fascists in it since its beginning, I can't see how the Russian Federation or its leadership would ever find a need to go to such lengths to protect its brothers and sisters, its family, there. How did the Poles forget the execution of entire villages of their Jewish citizens by the nazi concubine Bandera, only to sit as they do now welcoming in those to set up another series of massacres across their border?

The poison of western hegemony is like rust and cancer, eating away at everything it comes in contact with. It is a dark, spiritless matter that entraps and feeds greed, pushing it out into the world. The long history of silence when our neighbors are being abused, excused over and over and over again by propagandists, politicians, sociologists, reporters and repeaters alike, needs to be taken to the ground.

Civilians do not know how extremely difficult it is to save large groups of oppressed people under years of attack, while defending yourself and civilians when targeting the fascist cowards, cowards who have used Ukranian civilians as shields, over and over again. For the deeply uninformed here, and anywhere for that matter, who find it hard to simply READ and to easily WATCH videos, to LISTEN to the civilians in these conflicts, it is a fact that out of necessity the liberating forces in any area, and the few as good as the Russians have been, do need to surgically destroy anywhere that their enemies are entrenched, especially the encampments of those who have been murdering their own countrymen, women and children. It is without a doubt that at least some of the contracted western servicemen and the independent whores/mercs have reported to their superiors about the skill with which the Russians have destroyed their positions, while at the same time showing the proof of such skill, which is how concentrated the liberators have been at saving the lives of so many civilians.

Such a great post Hym, thank you.

As for this question of yours:

How did the Poles forget the execution of entire villages of their Jewish citizens by the nazi concubine Bandera, only to sit as they do now welcoming in those to set up another series of massacres across their border?

you may find, alas, part of the answer when you watch Claude Lanzmann’s film Shoah. I have myself only watched part of it, but with my late friend Luc Deneulin, lecturer in film history and film theory at Brussels University, who knew the film by heart, I spent many hours discussing its implications.

[Hym]

"How did the Poles forget the execution of entire villages of their Jewish citizens by the nazi concubine Bandera, only to sit as they do now welcoming in those to set up another series of massacres across their border?

you may find, alas, part of the answer when you watch Claude Lanzmann’s film Shoah. I have myself only watched part of it, but with my late friend Luc Deneulin, lecturer in film history and film theory at Brussels University, who knew the film by heart, I spent many hours discussing its implications."

Thank You, Michel. I'll watch it. There is some soul memory from me here about Shoah and the great impetus to speak out against oppression.

One night a long time ago, I had a very rare nightmare. In the nightmare I was inside of a very brutal space, a building not at all made by kindness. The next day, while working in Los Angeles, I came upon that building. It was the Holocaust Museum.

The sight, being identical to my nightmare with an interior I knew vividly, was a visceral video of my experience. As if by some much deeper habit, I wanted to go in and make sure that it included all of the crimes that were committed by all of the governments that sat idle while it all happened. I had a strong feeling that not one corporation or western politician who funded it all, from IBM to the Rockefellers, was mentioned anywhere inside.

Just as much, I knew that all of these years later, on some level, somewhere in some media, some politic, the genocide was being used for another purpose and not one pursued for a lasting peace. It was as if the museum was an insult to all of the suffering and a proof of the continuing inhumanity to others, even as I'm sure that the exhibits were deeply moving, while not at all being complete.

[Mashika]

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-def...in-turkey.html

In Istanbul, a solemn ceremony of launching the Ada-class corvette built in Turkey for Ukraine’s Navy took place with the participation of First Lady of Ukraine Olena Zelenska and Commander of the Navy of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Oleksiy Neyizhpapa.

And then...

Italian Newspaper La Repubblica reports that NATO has sent an intelligence warning to its allies which states the Russian K329 Belgorod nuclear submarine has been mobilized, located somewhere in the arctic sea, fearing the Submarine is looking to test the Status-6 “doomsday” nuclear superweapon.

Also this 'news article' is amazing lol
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...wWP?li=BBnb7Kz

The new submarine was launched in July and is now reportedly submerged in Arctic waters after its possible involvement in the sabotage of the Nord Stream gas pipelines, according to several unofficial sources.

[thepainterdoug]

Hi Mashika
i read the articles.
have you even seen or heard of the movie Dr Strangelove?
should you get a chance to watch, I think it would be oddly amusing at this moment

i hope you are well
tp doug