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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    Journeyman, thank you for the extraordinary video with statements made by Pavel Gubarev. Russian racists do exist. Please do upload similar links – even if you do not want to comment on them or on the discussion.

    Do consider also the possibility that facts are relayed by a member not because he or she supports just one side but because due to circumstances he or she has the ability of relaying just one side’s facts.

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    From Youblacksoul this is Ukrainian refugees in the UK expressing their democratic freedom today.

    https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/st...41587162218497



    About Pavel Gubarev, interesting if you watch the whole video you get what he actually said not just a cut up version, so it’s up to each individual viewer to interperet any way they want.

    https://twitter.com/Raybee980959061/...84390007836672


    So from that clip the public can make up their mind as to how hateful most Russians are towards Ukrainians, they want to kill them all.
    Because:

    It’s Russia victimizing Ukraine, torturing the AFU military like the Russian soldiers that were shot in the legs and left to bleed to death, the Russian soldiers that were tied to a wooden cross and burned alive and videoed dying.

    This isn’t a NATO proxy war against Russia. No foreign mercenaries including British and American are involved in fighting against Russia.
    There were no foreign mercenaries in Azovstal steel plant.

    It’s not Zelensky conscripting Ukrainians, sending them to their death, most against their will to fight, ill equipped and untrained, and shot to death by their commanders if they try to desert.

    It’s Russia that sanctioned the EU and NATO Allies not the other way around.

    It’s Russia bombing Donetsk and civilians in the Donbas region of Ukraine, every day, it’s Russia planting mine fields and spreading Petal mines, Russia that had “The Pit” in Azovstal- Mariupol. where civilians were tortured horribly to death, not Azov battalion.

    Russia bombed its own prison in Yelenka (don’t have the correct spelling, pardon me),

    Russia bombs themselves every day at the Zaporozhye Energodar NPP, and IAEA reprentatives when they finally came to go tour the plant almost got kidnapped by the Ukrainians who were going to use kill them and blame it on Russia.

    Russia let loose the jailed criminals , not Zelensky, a group called Tornado, they were in jail for heinous crimes including raping children.
    It’s Russia that instigated the 2014 Maidan coup, burned 42 people alive, and strangled a young pregnant woman to death that very day.

    It’s not the SBU that take people away from their families simply for writing a blog that seems pro Russian, and these people disappear, never to be seen again. I think even Mashika talked about this on this very thread. She also warned us about the brutality of the SBU.
    How about that mayor a few months ago whose young teenage daughter was abducted by the SBU to make the mayor do their bidding.
    The fake Bucha massacres,
    The cemetery full of dead Ukrainian soldiers that the Russians buried because AFU leave their dead behind. Now Ukraine is unburying them and trying to pass them off as another Russian massacre. Have to keep feeding the Russophobia, feeding the hatred for Russians.
    How else would the atrocities against the oppressed, the meek, the invisible, silent people be justified.

    The OSCE which I thought was supposed to be impartial, some of their agents were colluding and passing information to the Sbu, you can find news on that in this thread, I’m only pointing from memory here.

    Gonzalo Lira was silenced by the SBU

    The many elderly bombed in their homes because they’re too old to move away to safety, they’re forgotten, not important I guess.

    The bombed children 2014 to the present in the Donbass. Even Russia has a huge street exhibit of some of these dead children.

    Except for Russia providing tons of humanitarian aid to the afflicted civilian population, the civilians that are punished and arrested and tortured and killed for accepting aid from Russia. They give humanitarian aid to the people that survive hidden in basements until the AFU leave or they are liberated living in destroyed buildings. The AFU who take over kindergarten schools and turn them into their stronghold, the AFU that invade peoples apartment homes mostly the roof top apartments, because the logic is the Russians wouldn’t bomb the building with civilians in them.
    The Mariupol theatre the AFU blew it up after telling civilians to go there at noontime, to blow them up. The news and pictures are in this thread.


    Gleb Bazov was censored on Twitter for posting the video of the Russian street exhibit on his Twitter account.

    Gonzalo Lira was arrested by the SBU and lately his newer Twitter account has also been suspended.

    Why does Twitter decide and designate any Twitter account that sympathizes or even reports anything twitter deems as against the pro Ukraine rhetoric, they mark the account as “Russia state affiliated”, which then brings more attention from haters to those accounts.
    And as soon as enough haters report those guys as offensive they suspend those accounts and delete their tweets.

    Youblacksoul was one of those suspended from Twitter for documenting atrocities, photos and videos of torture, etc committed by Ukrainians at the beginning of this war.

    Why are most truthers posting news from the Russian side on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram censored and deleted or so “Nafoed”, they have to either delete their tweets or make them private to their followers only?

    The news media has been polarized from the beginning of this war, the pro Ukraine side, pro Russophobia especially since the US, Uk, EU among other countries, are aiding Ukraine via funds and military equipment and sanctioning Russia.

    What news I post is the side not allowed to freely report without being labeled, censored, threatened, hated, hidden, and more, as best I can.
    I also am aware that by doing this I’ve also become a target not just by those complaining here but I’m a target because of what I post.
    I also assume the mods will let me know if what I post is inappropriate and they are free to delete all my posts.

    It does take a lot of time and energy to find, discern and post most of this and I’m sorry that it offends some of you, it doesn’t make me feel good either, nor help me health wise but I want to know what’s going on from the “other side” , the unpopular side. So sorry to all of you that complained and are offended.
    Also I wasn’t aware that you couldn’t post news contrary to what news I post. And I do not comment because it’s mostly self explanatory information.

    I wish you all a good evening🌞




    https://www.vice.com/en/article/bjak...s-after-attack

    October 13, 2014, 2:38pm

    Eastern Ukraine Rebel Leader Pavel Gubarev Is Unconscious After Attack
    His car crashed after gunmen opened fire as he was traveling in the Donetsk region, rife with rumors of political infighting and rivalries.



    Pavel Gubarev, one of the leaders of eastern Ukraine's rebel insurgency, is unconscious in hospital after his car was shot in an ambush on Sunday, it has emerged.

    Rumors of political infighting and rivalries are rife in the lawless rebel-held territory as self-styled politicians with guns jostle for power in the build-up to an election scheduled for early November.

    Posting on her Facebook page, Gubarev's wife Ekaterina said that her husband was on the road from Rostov-on-Don in Russia to Donetsk, the heart of the self-declared Donetsk People's Republic, when another vehicle cut up his car and opened fire, causing the driver to crash into a concrete pillar. Ekaterina said her husband had not been shot and is expected to regain consciousness at "any moment."

    Coups and backroom deals are a regular occurrence in the fledgling rebel republic, which has had three self-styled prime ministers at its helm since being founded in mid-April.

    Gubarev — among the original leaders of the rebel movement — was imprisoned in Kiev for his activities related to separatism in the early days of the uprising. Upon his release, however, the rebel leader who used to work as a Santa-for-hire, found he had been ousted from the top spot by Denis Pushilin. Previously an unknown face in the separatist movement Pushilin, who has a penchant for shiny blue suits, was the first to formally take the title of "prime minister" in the Donetsk People's Republic.

    Since then Gubarev has remained a feature in the rebel political administration as the Donetsk "People's Governor," but has been seen as more of a figurehead than as a politician capable of exerting influence over decision-making processes. His waning power took another blow in August when his ally Igor Strelkov, once a revered commander of the republic's militia, was also pushed from power. Strelkov, a nom de guerre that means shooter in Russian, fled the region after being summarily dismissed from his post as the republic's "defense minister."

    Recently Gubarev, who regularly posts clips of long monotone Russian Imperialist rants on Youtube, also made a cameo in a bizarre rebel musical propaganda video featuring a stereotypically traditional Russian family singing and playing accordion at the kitchen table. With dark rings under his eyes, Gubarev's guest appearance seems stilted and scripted. "For Russia! From Kamchatka to Odessa, united and indivisible" he tells the camera finishing with a grimace.
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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    Here's Col. Douglas Macgregor talking to Judge Napolitano, livestreamed 4 hours ago. It's a longer than usual interview for him, lasting a full half hour.

    Again, Macgregor's not saying anything those following this thread don't already know and understand. It's aimed mainly at those who are genuinely interested in updates, but who may have little time to follow the many daily changing developments.

    To assist those viewers, Napolitano fires a salvo of direct questions, the answers to which many regular concerned intelligent people would like to know. (Like, can Ukraine win this war? Or, will Putin use nuclear weapons? Or, have the 300,000 reservists reached the front lines yet?)

    I don't need to know these answers myself, but I regard Macgregor's concise and crystal clear exposition as a treat to be enjoyed — and that's why I'm also sharing this video.



    And a tidbit of quite some surprise and interest to me: at 21:19 Macgregor tells Napolitano that he's "not convinced this is the original Joe Biden... I don't think it is."

    (I wasn't expecting him to say that... not even Tucker Calrson or Joe Rogan have said that... yet. )
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    Quote Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
    I also assume the mods will let me know if what I post is inappropriate and they are free to delete all my posts.

    It does take a lot of time and energy to find, discern and post most of this and I’m sorry that it offends some of you, it doesn’t make me feel good either, nor help me health wise but I want to know what’s going on from the “other side” , the unpopular side. So sorry to all of you that complained and are offended.
    Also I wasn’t aware that you couldn’t post news contrary to what news I post. And I do not comment because it’s mostly self explanatory information.

    I wish you all a good evening🌞
    Ravenlocke, I do hope you saw and read my post #5751 on the previous page.

    Nothing you've posted is inappropriate. It's very much appreciated. If I've been out for most or even half of the day, the first thing I do to see what's been happening is skim through your updates on this thread.

    (And the useful thing with Twitter and Telegram is that one can indeed skim them quickly, impossible with long videos and not at all easy with long articles.)

    You do a great job on the Turmoil and Chaos all over the Planet thread, too. Twitter and Telegram work well there, for exactly the same reasons. Who knew there was turmoil in Malawi? Or Panama? Or New Zealand? The quick-scan posts there, often featuring one-sentence summaries with an image or a short video, allow readers to then to dive more deeply into those specific news stories if they want to.

    But they have to know the stories are there first, so they can be dived more deeply into.

    Quote So sorry to all of you that complained and are offended.
    TargeT, accusing you of being a bot (he really meant it!), was out of order — and I'll state that publicly here.

    It's SO simple for anyone to see from your 2271 posts that you're not! And they're all easy to search for and find, dating 11 years back to 2011.

    "all of you that complained and are offended" may be a couple of people. Meanwhile, besides all the members who regularly follow this thread every day, I suspect for the same reasons I do, there are regularly 20, 30 or more guests reading the thread much of the day.

    Why? Because this thread is an excellent, user-friendly, running real-time truth-committed ongoing news digest. (And searching the thread, an archive of events, too.)

    You won't get that on CNN.


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    I am not sure if I can post a youtube video at a certain timemark like this but it should start at 28 minutes and 26 seconds in.
    Or try this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byBTtJW-008&t=1706s

    At the given timemark they present a video that allegedly show 2 missiles hitting the Kerch bridge. When I saw the very first footage from
    the security cameras on the bridge I felt that the explosion seemed far more powerful than just a bomb in a truck. Also when you look at
    the result the bridge is damaged at 2 different points. Can a bomb in a truck do that?
    To get this all perfectly synchronised it may have been a missile strike on a truck loaded with explosives.
    And as far as I know the Ukrainians do not have long range (cruise) missiles to hit that bridge. So what exactly happened here?

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    Quote Posted by TargeT (here)

    Mod note from Bill:

    Who the heck are you talking to here, and why?
    Reported Tweets and Telegram posts are 100% fine. This is a mainly a Ukraine news thread.
    It's an efficient way of reporting rapidly changing information, a lot better and less time-consuming in many cases than long videos. If anyone doesn't appreciate that, then just skip the posts and instead write some intelligent personal commentary about the situation, all of which is always appreciated.

    I guess my decades of experience working for the most powerful propaganda machine in the world gives me no insight to reality; my point is (unless it's deleted) set in history... we'll see how it plays out.

    I think I see the out come and alluded to that in my previous posts on this thread.

    question everything, always.


    duration proves truth almost always... urgency or "desperately" clinging to one side seems to always play out the same way............ I think we've seen this over and over on this very forum.


    i love intelligent responses, is this your offering?

    Quote Posted by Operator (here)
    And as far as I know the Ukrainians do not have long range (cruise) missiles to hit that bridge. So what exactly happened here?
    if I had 60+ billion given to me in the last few months I might be surprising also. NOTHING TO SEE HERE!
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    Quote Posted by Journeyman (here)
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Journeyman (here)
    The first casualty of war is the truth.
    I understand your point, I truly do.

    But there are not two versions of actual truth here. Anyone who thinks there are, should know better by now maybe having been a forum member for some time.
    I'm not saying there are two versions of actual truth:

    Quote Posted by Journeyman (here)
    The first casualty of war is the truth. Acknowledging that and realising that there are likely truths being voiced by those on the other side is the first step in seeing opponents as human beings rather than the 'other' who can be easily demonised and dehumanised by a label.
    And there obviously are some truths being voiced from the Ukrainian side. Even if you see this, as sometimes framed here, as a Manichean struggle between good and evil, can you really argue that one side has a monopoly on truth? That everything coming out of the Kremlin is true and everything from Kiev false? That's a big claim! The problem with the polarised viewpoint that's a hallmark of propaganda and which is increasingly presented here is that the grey areas are removed, the points where opposing forces could potentially meet half-way are eliminated. In this thread we're guaranteed to see the deeds of Kiev represented in the worst possible way and the deeds of Moscow in the best. Historical context is provided in one direction only.

    Don't get me wrong, exactly the same process is taking place in many western media discussion sites, only in reverse. They will see something like this:



    and form their views of Russian attitudes from clips like this:



    There's no shortage of nutcases on either side of this conflict and if you're selective with what you show it's easy to demonise one side or the other. That's a process that's underway in both West and East right now. I just don't think we should follow suit and at present this thread is presenting a distorted view, which ultimately is harmful to all concerned.

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    I totally encourage members to post informed personal opinions about it all, and I try my best to do that myself.
    I appreciate that Bill and the work that you and the moderating team do.

    To be honest after the response I got last time I pointed out some obvious deceptive propaganda I'd given up posting here and just used it read only. I've only broken silence because I appreciated Target's intentions and thought it worth voicing my support. However having voiced my opinion, radio silence once more.
    thanks Journeyman for taking the time to voice your support

    i have to second, or in this case, third that myself

    i had come to this thread initially with interest

    but the post after post after post with no insight or comment struck me as odd and robotic as well

    in my case, i DID do as Bill suggested and simply tuned out, i know how to simply skip posts

    and this was the choice i made here and for the same reasons voiced above

    i highly suspect we are not the only ones to simply quietly move elsewhere

    but felt it important to post my support as well for both T and Journeyman

    support for friends is something i saw CLEARLY shown yesterday

    so i KNOW that is allowed as the example was CLEARLY given

    so just doing the same for two of my friends, T and Journeyman

    no offense towards Ravenlocke, and if Bill has verified her as real, that's good enough for me

    STILL, it doesn't change the impression given over and over and over and over again

    i've seen similar comments in the past go unchallenged so i kinda find it odd to have it challenged here

    it is simply an observation, nothing more, nothing less

    one made many a time in many a thread here, c'est toute

    this is an important topic and i appreciate ALL information in respect to it

    even if from an opposing view .. i've learned:

    you can ALWAYS learn something from everything

    and i prefer to know and personally evaluate than not to

    that's my personal intake

    sorry to have you on radio silence Journeyman, i've expressed my appreciation for your insights in the past, and i would greatly love to have them continue again as i, for one, appreciated them



    now ... what i came here to report is:



    Ukraine war: Putin tells Europe he's 'ready' to resume gas supplies

    Euronews reports:

    "Russian President Vladimir Putin said the "ball is in the court" of the European Union, after declaring that he's prepared to resume gas supplies to Europe via a link of the Germany-bound Nord Stream 2 pipeline under the Baltic Sea.

    "Russia is ready for the start of deliveries. The ball is in the EU's court. If they want to, then the taps can be turned on, and that's that," Putin said.

    Speaking at the Moscow energy forum on Wednesday, Russia's leader accused the US of being behind the explosions that caused the gas leaks on the Nord Stream 1 and 2 on 30 September. He said the US wants to weaken Europe -- and force the bloc to turn to American gas companies.

    "There is no doubt that this is an act of international terrorism, the purpose of which is to undermine the energy security of the entire continent".

    "The logic is cynical --to destroy, block sources of cheap energy, deprive millions of people, industrial consumers of gas, heat, electricity, and other resources and force them to buy all this at much higher prices. To force".

    Washington has denied the allegations.

    An investigation is underway into explosions last month that ruptured the Russian-built pipelines on the bed of the Baltic Sea. Europe suspects an act of sabotage that Moscow quickly sought to blame on the West.

    Russia's war against Ukraine has driven a major effort by the EU and other European countries to ditch their reliance on Russian oil and gas and seek out alternative suppliers.

    EU energy ministers met in Prague on Wednesday to try to agree new measures to tackle the energy crisis, and leaders are expected to sign off on new measures next week."

    article with video can be seen here:
    https://www.euronews.com/2022/10/12/...e-gas-supplies

    personally? i find it preposterous and just about criminally negligent that the people be provided NO choice or voice in the actions their government is taking to deny them what they desperately need

    it is an economic act of terrorism as well, by FORCING the people to buy gas at a much higher cost than is actually necessary

    the cost should be passed to the ones making the CHOICE to have it be so, i feel
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    A two minute impassioned pushback on Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez here, which is quite stirring:



    Source: https://twitter.com/JosBtrigga/statu...64662419312641
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    In Ukraine, filmed a staged video with dozens of wounded during explosions in Kyiv
    Video footage and photographs of the wounded in Kyiv turned out to be staged scenes.

    Video footage appeared on the Web proving that the number of wounded as a result of explosions on the territory of Kyiv on October 10 turned out to be, to put it mildly, cheated. As it turned out, the representatives of the SBU specially dressed people as victims and issued the corresponding video footage as an alleged act of aggression.

    In the video footage obtained by the news agency Avia.pro, you can see that the video footage and photographs with a couple of injured people turned out to be nothing more than props. In particular, when shooting from a different angle, you can see that the woman is not injured at all, but asks to take a fake picture with supposedly wounded and put it on the Web.


    At the moment, there are other photographs and video footage, so far indirectly proving that Kyiv was trying to create a provocation directed against Russia. However, with the advent of information leakage, so far in Kyiv they do not dare to comment on what is happening on the video.

    According to the Ukrainian side, on October 10, more than a hundred people were injured as a result of the explosions, however, taking into account staged filming, the number of those may be many times less.

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    Great interview by Ania and Scott Ritter. Many questions concerning Poland's possible moves with regards to Ukraine.

    "SCOTT RITTER ON NATO'S NUCLEAR EXERCISES; SITUATION BETWEEN BELARUS AND POLAND; RUSSIA AND UKRAINE."
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    This left me with so many questions though. Why would Poland send 5,000 soldiers to fight for Ukraine. And then try to take over some areas (Galicia?) of Ukraine? I'm confused by all of these old conflicts throughout Europe that keep resurging in some form or other. The USA role in this war is quite clear: they want to maintain hegemony and economic control worldwide, therefore they must destroy any potential competitor, such as Russia.

    But what is unclear to me is why are there people in Europe ready to oblige the USA's intentions of destroying Russia, even though the Soviet threat is long gone. I'm specifically talking about some EU people's apparent hatred against Russia from countries like Ukraine and Poland. This isn't a rhetorical question. Understanding this matter might be part of the key to resolving this conflict. Or maybe it's just the elite leaders of Poland who are insane, like Ania and Scott are saying in the above interview, and not the ordinary citizens. Would especially like to hear from any Polish person who might be following this thread.

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    Great interview by Ania and Scott Ritter. Many questions concerning Poland's possible moves with regards to Ukraine.

    "SCOTT RITTER ON NATO'S NUCLEAR EXERCISES; SITUATION BETWEEN BELARUS AND POLAND; RUSSIA AND UKRAINE."
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    This left me with so many questions though. Why would Poland send 5,000 soldiers to fight for Ukraine. And then try to take over some areas (Galicia?) of Ukraine? I'm confused by all of these old conflicts throughout Europe that keep resurging in some form or other. The USA role in this war is quite clear: they want to maintain hegemony and economic control worldwide, therefore they must destroy any potential competitor, such as Russia.

    But what is unclear to me is why are there people in Europe ready to oblige the USA's intentions of destroying Russia, even though the Soviet threat is long gone. I'm specifically talking about some EU people's apparent hatred against Russia from countries like Ukraine and Poland. This isn't a rhetorical question. Understanding this matter might be part of the key to resolving this conflict. Or maybe it's just the elite leaders of Poland who are insane, like Ania and Scott are saying in the above interview, and not the ordinary citizens. Would especially like to hear from any Polish person who might be following this thread.

    That is a good question and I hope someone can answer that may know more. I checked and Wikipedia has this to say about some of the history. I cannot say if it is all true or not. I have known Polish people over the years and I know they had terrible memories about Russia and Germany themselves and their ancestors. It may be hard for some to look at the present without thinking of the past. Like most, I wish for peace between all nations, leaders that represent the people that want peace and goodness to be our future.

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    Ukraine behind attacks on Russian regions, FM admits to prank callers

    Ukraine's Foreign Minister has admitted that Kiev is behind sabotage operations in Russia, many of which which have killed innocent civilians.

    Dmitry Kuleba was speaking with a person he believed to be a former American ambassador to Moscow, according to Russian pranksters with a history of targetting senior political figures.

    “Well, if you were to ask me who blows up things in Crimea or Belgorod, then speaking privately, as much privacy we can have in a Zoom call, I’d tell you, yes, that was us,” the top Ukrainian diplomat was shown saying in footage, which was released on Thursday.

    The apparent admission was obtained by two Russian entertainers who go by the stage names Vovan and Lexus. They usually pose as foreign officials and trick their target into saying things that he or she would probably not want the public to hear.

    During the conversation with Kuleba, the duo posed as Michael McFaul, a former US ambassador to Russia and a vocal critic of Moscow. Among other things, McFaul is involved in an advisory group that helps Kiev ensure continued support from Western governments.

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    The prank involved the fake former-diplomat asking Kuleba about Ukrainian intelligence agents, whom he assumed to be active in Russia.

    Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova called Kuleba’s words an admission of criminality by the Ukrainian state. Kiev’s top diplomat “confessed to committing terrorism. And in such a way – ‘yes, that’s us.’ Not just the special services or individual saboteurs. The government, the state,” she said on social media.

    The pranksters did not reveal the date of the conversation, but they discussed remarks that Zakharova made on September 1st and Kuleba’s travel plans for October, placing it sometime last month.

    When discussing with ‘McFaul’ Crimea’s significance in Russia’s military operation against Ukraine, Kuleba called the region a “source of ammo” for Russian troops and “an air base for their warplanes.”

    Destroying military sites in Crimea “has a direct impact” on the effectiveness of the Russian forces, he said. But the peninsula “is not the immediate operative target” for the Ukrainian military, he noted.

    Ukraine behind Crimean Bridge blast – US media
    Ukraine behind Crimean Bridge blast – US media
    The foreign minister was also skeptical about engaging with nations in Africa in the context of Kiev’s conflict with Moscow.

    “All of a sudden, our friends and partners, the US, the Europeans started a few months ago saying that working with Africa was super important, so that Africa was on our side,” he said.

    Kuleba claimed that some African countries “have taken either an openly strictly pro-Russian position or a strictly neutral position. Those cannot be swayed, no matter how much time you spend.” He added that chasing the support of African leaders would motivate them “to profit from” the conflict in Ukraine rather than to take a position “based on facts.”

    The minister reiterated Kiev’s calls for increased economic sanctions on Moscow, suggesting that the US and its allies impose restrictions on the Russian civilian nuclear industry. Kuleba urged for more weapons supplies, specifically asking for US-made Patriot long-range anti-aircraft missiles. He also discussed Kiev’s financial situation and how the government hoped that the IMF would provide more loans so that it could operate in the coming year.

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    Apartment building hit during Ukrainian shelling of Russian city – mayor

    An apartment block has been hit and damaged during the Ukrainian shelling of the Russian city of Belgorod, Mayor Anton Ivanov has said.

    “Air defenses had to be activated today again. There’s damage to a building on Gubkina Street,” he wrote on Telegram on Thursday.

    The mayor later announced that around 12.40pm local time an unidentified object crashed into the roof of an apartment block as a result of operations involving the air defense systems.

    The residents of the affected building have been evacuated, he said, adding that no casualties have yet been reported following the incident.

    Images on social media have shown smoke coming from the roof of an apartment block and rubble scattered on the ground.

    Some reports have suggested that debris from an incoming projectile or drone may have fallen on the building after being struck by the air defense systems.

    Belgorod, which has a population of some 356,000, is the main city of Russia’s Belgorod Region.

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    It’s among the border regions that have come under repeated Ukrainian shelling and drone attacks since the outbreak of the conflict between Moscow and Kiev in late February.
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    CICA countries’ leaders on new centers of power in Asia and multi-polar world

    According to Vladimir Putin, the Asian countries contribute heavily to world economic growth

    ASTANA, October 13. /TASS/. The world is becoming multipolar, with Asia playing a key role and new centers of power gaining strength in the region, Russian President Vladimir Putin said at the summit of the Conference on Interaction and Confidence Building Measures in Asia (CICA) on Thursday.

    The Asian countries, he said, contribute heavily to world economic growth. Given the shift of the focus of global politics and economics towards Asia, the countries of that region should not waste time and develop the Eurasian space, Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko believes. Asia must not permit greater protectionism and the introduction of new restrictions, said Uzbek President Shavkat Mirziyoyev.

    TASS has summarized the key statements made at the CICA summit.

    On the multipolar world

    "The world is becoming truly multipolar. Asia is playing a very noticeable role, if not the key one in this process. New centers of power are getting stronger there," Putin said. Russia, together with the Asian countries, is doing its utmost to form a system of equitable and indivisible security "based on the universally recognized principles of international law and the UN Charter."

    The Asian countries are the driving force of world economic growth. Russia stands for "the development and prosperity of Asia, the creation of a wide and open space for mutually beneficial trade and investment cooperation, and for the expansion and deepening of cooperative ties in various branches of the economy."

    The time has come for Asia to take center stage in the world and it is important not to miss this chance. "Further expansion of the dialogue and cooperation among the CICA states is more relevant than ever," Lukashenko believes. The CSTO, SCO and CICA are capable of laying a solid foundation for the successful development of the Eurasian space.

    On security in Asia

    The spread of terrorism and NATO’s expansion undermine security in the region, said Iran’s President Ebrahim Raisi. Tehran condemns economic terrorism and is exerting every effort to combat it.

    Organizations existing in Asia do not fully use their potential for preventing conflict situations in the region, Kyrgyzstan’s President of Sadyr Japarov said. It is necessary to pay attention to the fight against terrorism, extremism and transnational crime.

    The world is facing serious challenges in many areas. "Humanity is living through a period when the balance of power has changed and supply chains have been disrupted," said Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan. "The global security architecture must be formed on the basis of a more equitable understanding."

    The security situation is deteriorating catastrophically not only in Europe but throughout the world. The West's practice of staging coups in countries and imposing sanctions is impermissible and "fraught with the risks of triggering a third world war, in which there will be no winners," Lukashenko said.

    On the food crisis

    Regional associations, Putin said, have to handle many acute problems, including "greater volatility of the world prices of energy, food, fertilizers, raw materials and other important goods, which leads to a deterioration in the quality of life in both developed and developing countries."

    "Moreover, there is a real threat of famine and large-scale social upheavals, especially in the poorest countries," he said.

    Russia calls for the removal of all artificial and illegitimate barriers to supply chains in the world. Moscow, for its part, "is exerting every effort to provide crucial products to countries in need."

    On the global financial system

    Russia advocates a revision of the fundamental principles of the global financial system, "which for decades allowed the self-proclaimed so-called ‘golden billion’ to keep a firm grip on all flows of capital and technology and to a large extent to live at someone else's expense," Putin said.

    As a first step, it is necessary to use national currencies more actively in mutual settlements, which would help countries strengthen their financial sovereignty and deepen regional economic integration, he stressed.

    On Afghanistan

    Afghanistan remains one of the most acute challenges to security in the region, Putin stressed. Due to more than 20 years of US and NATO military presence and the failure of their policies, that country has been unable to independently resolve the problems associated with terrorist threats, which is well seen in the ongoing series of bloody terrorist attacks.

    "To normalize the situation in Afghanistan it is necessary to jointly promote its economic recovery."

    Russia calls for compensating "for the damage caused to the Afghans during the years of occupation and to unfreeze the illegally blocked Afghan assets."

    Uzbekistan’s president invited the CICA countries to address the UN with an idea of creating an international high-level group on the problems of Afghanistan. It is necessary, in his opinion, to develop common approaches to interaction with the interim government of that country.

    "We cannot afford a repetition of the sad experience of the past, when that country actually turned into an international terrorist hub," Mirziyoyev concluded.

    On CICA

    The participants supported the accession of Kuwait to the summit as a member-state of the forum and adopted a statement on the transformation of the CICA into an international organization.

    In a joint statement the CICA countries confirmed the common approaches to ensuring security in the IT field. The statement mentions the need to help the developing participating in the Conference to catch up on the digital backlog.

    The participants also expressed the need to help prevent the use of communication technologies for terrorist purposes.Hi
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