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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    Quote Posted by viking (here)
    Let’s hope this doesn’t escalate…!

    China is urging its citizens to evacuate from war-torn Ukraine.

    Beijing's Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Chinese Embassy in Ukraine announced on Saturday that all Chinese citizens should evacuate the country, according to the Global Times, a Chinese state news agency. The embassy said it would assist its citizens in this capacity.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/p...acuate-ukraine

    Further link

    https://tass.com/world/1523377
    The following countries have all recommended that their citizens leave Ukraine:
    • China
    • Serbia
    • Kazakhstan
    • Uzbekistan
    • Turkmenistan
    • Kyrgyzstan
    • Tajikistan
    • Belarus
    • Egypt
    What's significant here are that these are all countries sympathetic to Russia. It might well be that they have been quietly told that something major is about to happen, perhaps in something like a couple weeks' time. If India and Turkey were to add themselves to the list, then this interesting plot would thicken further.
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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    Well, maybe the leaders of those countries do believe that Russia is able to deliver on its strategy in such a way that it wins, and they want to protect their citizens – whereas the countries of “the West” of course do not believe this is possible and therefore allow their citizens to keep vacationing in Ukraine – following the great example of Zorro Zillionski’s recommendations for his own country’s citizens.

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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    ...

    ... or, from Jim Stone:
    RUMOR: UKRAINE FIRED AN AMERICAN CANNON [that] FIRED [a] NUKE AT RUSSIAN FORCES, IT DID NOT GO OFF, AND RUSSIA FOUND IT QUICKLY.

    I have a hunch this is true, Sunday morning all mention of this is gone.

    NOT RUMOR: after this rumored event, china ordered a full and immediate evacuation of all chinese people in ukraine.


    it's fun to post stuff like that because it is interesting and is probably just rumor true this time.

    it does make sense, because a nuke would require an authorization code and if it was launched by idiots, that would be why it did not go off.

    Having the whole topic expunged is suspect. Someone worked hard to shut this rumor down. Russia would know the US did not mean to nuke them, at the same time discovering a huge violation, heck, it might have even been a threat.

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    https://twitter.com/Angelo4justice3/...96431227719682


    https://twitter.com/RajBhads90/statu...85216778665986


    https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1581804686494924800



    https://www.rt.com/russia/564788-rus...un-rape-claim/

    Russia responds to UN official’s rape claims

    Claims made by the UN special representative on sexual violence, Pramila Patten, go “beyond the reach of reason,” Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said in a statement on Sunday. Earlier this week, Patten accused Russia of employing a “deliberate” rape “strategy” as part of its military campaign in Ukraine.

    “One cannot even comment on P. Patten’s … words in a serious way,” Zakharova said, adding that the UN official’s conclusions were based on data that is difficult to verify, according to Patten herself.

    “Once again, what we are seeing is a classic ‘highly likely’ [story], which has this time reached the level of twisted imagination,” Zakharova said. According to her, the UN official made her conclusions based on fragmentary data provided by the Independent International Commission of Inquiry on Ukraine – a group created in spring 2022 on the basis of a resolution of the UN Human Rights Council. Russia has not recognized its mandate, Zakharova added.

    Patten’s claims resemble those made by the former Ukrainian human rights commissioner, Lyudmila Denisova, Zakharova said. Denisova was fired from her position in late May after a no-confidence vote over her failure to perform duties such as organizing humanitarian corridors and prisoner exchanges amid the conflict between Russia and Ukraine. Later, Ukrainian media reported that most of Denisova’s allegations regarding “sexual atrocities” committed by Russian soldiers in the country had not been confirmed by Ukrainian prosecutors.

    The Foreign Ministry spokeswoman’s reaction was sparked by an interview Patten gave to AFP this week, in which she claimed that sexual violence is a “deliberate tactic” and “military strategy” of Russia, aimed at dehumanizing its “victims.” She also claimed that Russian soldiers are “equipped with Viagra.”

    Zakharova pointed out that similar claims have been made by Western officials in the past. In 2011, the US ambassador to the UN, Susan Rice, reportedly accused then-Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi of supplying his troops with Viagra to supposedly encourage mass rape during a conflict that broke out following a NATO-backed coup attempt which ended with the brutal murder of Gaddafi.

    US military and intelligence officials subsequently told NBC that there was no evidence that the Libyan military was being supplied with Viagra or engaging in systematic rape in “rebel areas.”

    “The West is using the same patterns in its hybrid war,” Zakharova said on Sunday, commenting on Patten’s statements.
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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Chester (here)
    Each individual is personally responsible for themselves.
    You are 100% right.
    (bold emphasis mine)

    i have to heartily agree with Chester on this ..

    and if i could .. would blast it to ALL of humanity the way the tptb indoctrinates helplessness almost from birth

    PS Johnny, i KNOW i impact humanity because i am a thread in the fabric of life

    we are a COLLECTIVE humanity and AS a thread OF that tapestry?

    i count

    so do you

    the day we have ENOUGH of Chester's and Bill's likemindedness

    this REALITY WILL BE transformed to one of power

    instead of "woe is me!"

    i also know i've impacted because i believe as ACIM teaches:


    Quote
    a Son of God CANNOT think or speak or act in vain
    i'm of that class

    and THEN i put peddle to the meddle and devoted YEARS to seminars across TX for the explicit purpose OF empowering people

    so there are those who think
    those who contemplate
    and those who act

    i do all three

    just by OUR BEING, EACH one of us impacts humanity on an ongoing basis

    while i'm at it, for Ravenlocke i saw somewhere you apologized for offending those
    (likely you thought me included) because of your style

    i'm NOT included in that list and i don't think that is what T was saying either

    there ARE those here who who presume the right and deem it appropriate to dictate to another adult what their personal Self expression should be!

    by complaining and drawing attention to themselves through another

    one such infringer used to complain of headaches at reading my posts because it reminded her of channeling

    and kept commenting not once, but went on and on

    i wondered if she needed attention or had not attained basic problem solving skills?

    i didn't get the point! was i expected to stop posting? or change my personal style?

    it ended up being a continuous demand, so i finally DID help her out

    "you could STOP reading my posts? i promise NOT to be offended (or even notice)"

    that is the adult vernacular for "Can you PLEASE leave me alone?"

    if something gave ME a headache? i'd surely STOP doing it

    not sure how that's complicated ...


    as Bill said, the answer was SO simple!

    content is fair game, personal style is not

    REPEATEDLY following me to comment on my personal Self expression was intrusive, rather rude and an outright infringement ~ crossing a line to be sure!

    basically, i had the SAME objection Bill did! it was the SAME case for me ...

    AND i came up with SAME solution as Bill ...

    what doesn't jive? can simply be skipped

    no need to rudely repeatedly offend someone again and again

    my comment was simply directed at the fact that there WAS a basis for the questions that T raised .. it wasn't out of the blue

    we just witnessed reports of thousands of bot accounts on Twatter and PayPal

    in today's environment? it was a legitimate question raised, (i'd wondered myself) that Bill settled definitively

    but as far as apology necessary? or explanation needed by you?

    NONE at all


    the ONLY explanation even needed by you for your posts is:

    Quote
    "the REASON
    i do WHAT i do?

    is because

    i do it"
    c'est tout

    “conforming to what others WANT?” isn’t actually our job ...

    There IS a certain response-ability inherent to us ALL to be authentic in our Self expression

    NOT modify it to be "OTHER approved expression!!" (geez!)

    if someone thinks otherwise? that would be THEIR issue, not yours

    unless you took it on

    and i'd strongly advice against taking on what belongs to ANOTHER

    as we ALL have enough to contend with the carrying of our OWN burdens i think

    which is MY version of Chester's quote

    sorry for the interruption and the lack of CLARITY on my part

    empowering others IS my life's work. it matters very much to me

    in no way would i want to be confused with those that DO seek to infringe on the self expression of another adult or think it ok to follow someone to repeatedly comment on someone else's personal style!



    MY message? would be this:




    and this dovetails perfectly to my post

    as the the tweet below is of the German government TELLING the Germans

    HOW they ought to think

    and WHAT they ought to do


    as though German people are incapable of thinking and choosing for themselves




    in light of this? it becomes increasingly CLEAR WHY maintaining PERSONAL power

    is INTRICATELY tied to and CANNOT be separated from world events

    people, have unfortunately, accustomed themselves to being "managed"

    habitually tolerating infringements, and acquiescing

    THAT? being replayed around the world?

    is making WWIII possible

    please STOP a moment and CONSIDER

    if people WERE empowered on a personal basis?

    WWIII could NEVER be proceeding at the uninterrupted pace

    and "normalized" manner that it is


    if people terminated ALLOWANCE of "infringements" on a personal level

    they would NEVER allow COLLECTIVELY on planetary basis

    so .. yea ... i'd say reclamation of personal power absolutely has the potential to impact our planet

    may it spread far and wide into the hearts and minds of ALL humanity

    and terminate this insanity once and for all

    Last edited by iota; 28th October 2022 at 04:33. Reason: format
    We should defend our way of life
    to an extent that any attempt on it is crushed,

    so that any adversary
    will never make such an attempt in the future.

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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    Quote Posted by Michel Leclerc (here)
    Quote Posted by Chester (here)
    Quote Posted by Michel Leclerc (here)
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Chester (here)
    Each individual is personally responsible for themselves.
    You are 100% right.
    Yes, but we are also personally responsible for other humans/animals/sentient beings we have chosen to be personally responsible for.

    (And fail. And are forgiven that failing— because we tried.)
    We disagree - I have no responsibility for others. I have responsibility to others... but never for others.

    If I were to "choose to be personally responsible for another," I am arrogantly robbing them of their own free will.
    Well Chester.. maybe it is just semantics and/or my lousy command of English — maybe also we use a word like "responsible" with a personal meaning (what we mean by it when we use it) that differs.. and our “disagreement” is a difference between what we really mean, "personally", when we use the word.

    I am talking about relationships between humans/animals/sentient beings that are tinged, characterised, by love, friendship, intimacy, endearment etc. Such relationships are also characterised by mutual responsibility (like when God asked Cain about Abel, and Cain answered "am I my brother’s guardian?", the answer to which question was "yes, you are" (I am paraphrasing this passus without implying any religious adherence to "bible belief")).

    Obviously also such very strong relationships can be to some extent conditional (we may fail, as I have written) but the intention is that they are not and proof of such responsibility being honoured when tested is generally a “transcendental” experience of "the power of love".

    I guess you may agree with that.

    Then my argument would run as follows: is it not true that "responsibility for oneself" only can be that strong (so strong as you – in my opinion – correctly claim it is) if and when it is also a responsibility arising from love? Love for oneself in this case, deriving from the moral obligation to love and guard, and take care of, oneself (body, soul and spirit)? How could responsibility for oneself indeed be less strong than the one arising from love for oneself?

    And then – if this is the case, and responsibility for oneself is indeed a sign of loving oneself, how then would love for others than myself (my beloved, my friends, my animals, the greenery surrounding me etc.) not be a full responsibility for them?

    (I have to admit that I would never think that my loving another human would rob this human “of their free will”. Robbing is part of not-loving and loving is part of not-robbing (when thinking in set theory terms).)
    I appreciate the philosophy as well as the metaphysics of Heraclitus. I find no mention of love in any of his fragments. I do find in a plethora of cases where the word, wisdom is mentioned. Also the word, intelligence. Not one instance of "love." He mentions soul many, many times.

    Here's one for you... ponder on this -

    "The cosmos works by harmony of tensions, like the lyre and the bow."

    another -

    "One must realize that war is shared and Conflict is Justice, and that all things come to pass and are ordained in accordance with Conflict."

    I'm about two things and two things only, constant improvement with the relationship to my conscience and the constant refinement of the integrity of my soul (integrity in the way it is used to describe the hull of a submarine). I contend that if each of us did just those two things, our collective experience of the world would dramatically transform (for the better).
    Last edited by Chester; 17th October 2022 at 03:09.
    All the above is all and only my opinion - all subject to change and not meant to be true for anyone else regardless of how I phrase it.

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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    Quote Posted by Michel Leclerc (here)
    Well, maybe the leaders of those countries do believe that Russia is able to deliver on its strategy in such a way that it wins, and they want to protect their citizens – whereas the countries of “the West” of course do not believe this is possible and therefore allow their citizens to keep vacationing in Ukraine – following the great example of Zorro Zillionski’s recommendations for his own country’s citizens.
    The West wants one thing and one thing only, regime change in Russia. They want Putin out of power and preferably dead. That's the obsession of the West and they think they can make it happen by extending the conflict on and on where eventually Putin is deposed from within.
    All the above is all and only my opinion - all subject to change and not meant to be true for anyone else regardless of how I phrase it.

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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    And as a reminder, simply replace 'Afghanistan with 'Ukraine' (and any number of a great many others one may think of):

    “If a man does not keep pace with [fall into line with] his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away.” - Thoreau

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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    Quote Posted by Tintin (here)
    And as a reminder, simply replace 'Afghanistan with 'Ukraine' (and any number of a great many others one may think of):

    Why do so solely through Ukraine when, once under the thumb of the West, this can be done throughout Russia as well? But also, we are closer and closer to the technological singularity where the model set forth in Brave New World is the goal of the elite. Nothing is a repeat. Everything is a stepping stone that leads to the final goal.
    All the above is all and only my opinion - all subject to change and not meant to be true for anyone else regardless of how I phrase it.

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    https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1581998852114042886


    https://www.rt.com/russia/564828-rus...kraine-energy/

    Moscow comments on striking Ukrainian ‘energy system’

    Russian jets and warships have continued to conduct long-range strikes on “military command centers and the energy system of Ukraine,” the Russian Defense Ministry said on Monday. Attacks on Ukrainian energy infrastructure were intensified last week.

    “All planned targets have been hit,” the ministry confirmed in a statement.

    Meanwhile, Ukrainian Prime Minister Denis Shmigal wrote on his Telegram channel that Russian drones had damaged energy sites in Kiev, while critical infrastructure in the eastern Dnepropetrovsk Region and the northern Sumy Region had also been targeted.

    “Hundreds of residential areas have lost power as a result of the attack,” the prime minister wrote. “Officials are working to restore electricity supply.”

    Kiev Mayor Vitaly Klitschko, meanwhile, said that a Russian drone had hit an apartment block, killing three people, including a pregnant woman. He added that three people were hospitalized.

    READ MORE: Central Kiev hit by kamikaze drones – mayor
    Russia has stepped up strikes on Ukrainian energy infrastructure, including thermal power plants and power lines, this month after Moscow accused Kiev of orchestrating a truck bombing that damaged the bridge connecting Crimea with the mainland.

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    https://www.rt.com/russia/564797-kie...drone-strikes/

    Central Kiev hit by kamikaze drones – mayor

    Several explosions rocked central Kiev on Monday morning, Mayor Vitaly Klitschko has confirmed, amid reports of a new wave of Russian drone strikes, across the country.

    The news comes a week after Moscow launched a significant attack on Ukraine’s critical energy and military infrastructure.

    “An explosion in the Shevchenko district – in the center of the capital,” Klitschko wrote on his Telegram channel at around 7am Monday morning, before reporting another blast in the same area several minutes later. A fire broke out in a non-residential building, and several residential buildings were damaged, he later added.

    Witnesses reportedly heard the sound of kamikaze drones in the air, according to Anton Gerashchenko, an adviser to the interior minister, who said that they targeted critical infrastructure in the area of the central railway station in Kiev.

    Several videos circulating on social media claim to show the drones in the skies of Kiev, as well as one of the impact sites.

    The mayor later posted a photo of what he said were parts of a drone that was destroyed. One fragment featured the word ‘Geran-2’, the name of a kamikaze drone used by Russian forces.

    According to some reports, the Geran-2 is a localized version of the Iranian-made Shahed-136 drone. Neither Moscow nor Tehran has confirmed the shipment of UAVs to Russia. Iran has said in the past that it is neutral with regards to the conflict.

    Russian MOD comments on results of strikes in Ukraine
    Russian MOD comments on results of strikes in Ukraine
    Russian strikes were also reported in other parts of the country. Valentin Reznichenko, the governor of the eastern Dnepropetrovsk Region, said that several houses were damaged when a missile hit an unspecified energy infrastructure site, causing a fire. He added that three missiles were intercepted and destroyed mid-air.

    According to the Ukrainian Armed Forces Southern Command, three drones struck industrial sites and a pharmaceutical warehouse in the city of Nikolaev.

    Dmitry Zhivitsky, the governor of the northern Sumy Region, said several people were injured after strikes on “critical infrastructure.”

    The reported strikes come one week after Russia launched a barrage of missiles and drones that targeted Ukrainian military facilities and infrastructure across the country over two days. The attack came after Moscow accused Kiev of orchestrating a deadly explosion on the strategic Crimean Bridge.

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    NATO kicks off nuclear exercises

    NATO exercises that seek to improve the alliance’s deterrence capabilities, involving strategic jets that can carry nuclear weapons, will start on Monday, amid heightened tensions with Russia over the Ukraine conflict.

    The 'Steadfast Noon' drills will last until October 30 and take place over Belgium, the North Sea, and the UK. NATO has described the exercises as “routine” and “not linked to any current world events,” while insisting that no live weapons will be used.

    In total, 14 countries and 60 aircraft of various types will take part in Steadfast Noon. The planes include state-of-the-art fighter jets, surveillance and tanker planes, as well as US B-52 nuclear-capable strategic bombers, which will arrive in Europe from Minot Air Base in North Dakota.

    “This exercise helps ensure that the alliance’s nuclear deterrent remains safe, secure and effective,” NATO spokesperson Oana Lungescu noted.

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    NATO prepares for nuclear drills
    On Thursday, the Belgian Coalition Against Nuclear Weapons organization urged the military bloc to cancel the drills, stressing that “amidst high nuclear tensions with Russia, it is irresponsible” to engage in these activities.

    On Thursday, commenting on the drills, National Security Council coordinator John Kirby said that Steadfast Noon had been planned well before Russia’s military campaign in Ukraine started in late February. He added that the exercises will take place more than 600 miles (1,000 km) from Russia’s borders.

    Kirby went on to say that the US expects Russia to conduct its own annual strategic nuclear exercise in the near future. “We anticipate the [Russians’] exercise will span several days,” he stated, adding that Washington believes it will include actions “within the normal bounds,” such as deployment of strategic assets. However, Moscow has yet to announce any drills of this type.
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    Israel's intention to supply arms to Ukraine will destroy relations with Russia — Medvedev

    Dmitry Medvedev said that Israel might as well recognize Stepan Bandera and Roman Shukhevich, as its heroes

    MOSCOW, October 17. /TASS/. Deputy Chairman of Russia’s Security Council Dmitry Medvedev warned on Monday that it would be a mistake for Israel to supply weapons to Ukraine.

    "Israel seems to have decided to supply weapons to the Kiev regime. That would be a very rash decision, for it would damage all the interstate relations between our countries," Medvedev wrote on his Telegram channel.

    He said Israel might as well recognize [Stepan] Bandera and [Roman] Shukhevich, as its heroes. Bandera was the leader of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN), and Shukhevich led the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA). Both organizations are outlawed in Russia.

    On Sunday, Israeli Minister of Diaspora Affairs Nachman Shai said his country should follow the example of the US and its NATO allies and start providing military assistance to Ukraine.
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    Donbass Woman Who Had Her Home Blown Up by Ukrainian HIMARS: 'They Are Not Human’

    Reporting on the crisis in Ukraine often focuses on “big picture” narratives and stories on statements made by politicians, arms deliveries, troop maneuvers, and battles. But behind it all are ordinary people who have been caught in the crossfire, and they also have stories to tell. This is one of them.


    Sputnik’s own Wyatt Reed is in Donbass covering the situation on the ground in the besieged Russian territory, which in the past seven months has faced shelling attacks and fighting of a scale and intensity unseen since the beginning of the conflict in 2014.
    In Rubezhnoye, a small city in the Lugansk People’s Republic near the front line which has taken heavy damage in fighting, Sputnik's correspondents met Natalia Petrovna, a local pensioner. Her home took heavy damage in a Ukrainian artillery attack using what appears to be a US-supplied HIMARS missile, leaving her injured.
    “Who [caused] these craters?” Sputnik asked the 68-year-old as she sat on a bench outside her ruined nine-story apartment bloc. “Those cursed fascists,” she answered. “Were you here when they fired?” we asked. “Yes, I live here on the first floor,” the woman said.

    “They are beasts, they are beasts. They are not human. They have nothing human in them,” she added, describing the Ukrainian forces who destroyed her home.
    “What was it like when they landed?” Sputnik inquired. Tearing up, Natalia Petrovna explained that she suffered an injury to her leg from a huge blast, and that she is now the only person left living in her section of the apartment building.
    “What’s so upsetting? Is it the rockets that are upsetting?” the correspondent pressed, with the low, rumbling sound of artillery fire heard somewhere in the distance. “Yes,” the woman answered. “I was left alone here. There is no one to help me.”
    Natalia Petrovna said she had nowhere to go, and no money to buy anything because she’s lost her passport, which means she can’t receive her pension.
    The Sputnik correspondents promised to help, and got in touch with a local volunteer group, who jotted down the pensioner’s information and address.

    ‘Guys, You Can’t Do This’
    “We help ordinary people with a minimal basket of goods that can save a person’s life during this difficult time,” a burly 40-something-year old volunteer in a bright red cap with a medical cross on it told Sputnik as the correspondents traveled to Natalia Petrovna’s home after buying some food.
    “What do you think of the Ukrainians threatening people who take humanitarian aid?” Sputnik asked the man. “We heard about that, yes, we’ve even seen video from Kiev where people were put in trenches and shot in the back,” the man said. “There are nationalist battalions which do this, yes. Guys, you can’t do this. We’re all people – Ukrainians, Russians, Belarusians,” the volunteer said, shaking his head.
    Upon arriving at Natalia Petrovna’s apartment, the volunteer asked if she could find a birth certificate, a passport, pension papers – any ID that could help volunteers register her for assistance.

    Volunteer speaks to Wyatt Reed and his translator as they head to Natalia Petrovna's home to bring her some food supplies.
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    Could You Imagine This is How You Would Be in 40 Years?
    Getting to know the woman, Sputnik found out that she is a mother of three –two sons and a daughter. One son died in a mining accident, she doesn’t know where the other is, and her daughter lives somewhere in Kiev, she thinks. Natalia Petrovna has no way of contacting her daughter and doesn’t know where she is. The pensioner’s husband died a long time ago. Natalia used to work as a postwoman, but now has difficulty walking.
    Asked why she chooses to stay in her heavily damaged apartment – whose windows have been blown out and doors knocked down, instead of going to stay in a hostel, Natalia Petrovna fears that if she leaves, whatever little she has left will be stolen by marauders. She recalled that one time, Ukrainian soldiers went into her home and took some clothing.

    Damage to Natalia Petrovna's home following Ukrainian artillery strike.
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    “What would you say to the Americans who’ve blown up your home?” Sputnik asked toward the close of the conversation, referring to the US-supplied weaponry being delivered to Kiev. “That they’re beasts, that’s it. They have no heart,” the woman said.
    Pointing to an old, faded portrait of Natalia Petrovna as a young woman hanging on the wall of her flat, Sputnik asked if she could “imagine when that picture was taken if this is how she would be in 40 years.”
    “No. No,” the woman said, tearing up again.
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    Each individual is personally responsible for themselves.
    You are 100% right.
    Yes, but we are also personally responsible for other humans/animals/sentient beings we have chosen to be personally responsible for.

    (And fail. And are forgiven that failing— because we tried.)
    We disagree - I have no responsibility for others. I have responsibility to others... but never for others.

    If I were to "choose to be personally responsible for another," I am arrogantly robbing them of their own free will.
    Well Chester.. maybe it is just semantics and/or my lousy command of English — maybe also we use a word like "responsible" with a personal meaning (what we mean by it when we use it) that differs.. and our “disagreement” is a difference between what we really mean, "personally", when we use the word.

    I am talking about relationships between humans/animals/sentient beings that are tinged, characterised, by love, friendship, intimacy, endearment etc. Such relationships are also characterised by mutual responsibility (like when God asked Cain about Abel, and Cain answered "am I my brother’s guardian?", the answer to which question was "yes, you are" (I am paraphrasing this passus without implying any religious adherence to "bible belief")).

    Obviously also such very strong relationships can be to some extent conditional (we may fail, as I have written) but the intention is that they are not and proof of such responsibility being honoured when tested is generally a “transcendental” experience of "the power of love".

    I guess you may agree with that.

    Then my argument would run as follows: is it not true that "responsibility for oneself" only can be that strong (so strong as you – in my opinion – correctly claim it is) if and when it is also a responsibility arising from love? Love for oneself in this case, deriving from the moral obligation to love and guard, and take care of, oneself (body, soul and spirit)? How could responsibility for oneself indeed be less strong than the one arising from love for oneself?

    And then – if this is the case, and responsibility for oneself is indeed a sign of loving oneself, how then would love for others than myself (my beloved, my friends, my animals, the greenery surrounding me etc.) not be a full responsibility for them?

    (I have to admit that I would never think that my loving another human would rob this human “of their free will”. Robbing is part of not-loving and loving is part of not-robbing (when thinking in set theory terms).)
    I appreciate the philosophy as well as the metaphysics of Heraclitus. I find no mention of love in any of his fragments. I do find in a plethora of cases where the word, wisdom is mentioned. Also the word, intelligence. Not one instance of "love." He mentions soul many, many times.

    Here's one for you... ponder on this -

    "The cosmos works by harmony of tensions, like the lyre and the bow."

    another -

    "One must realize that war is shared and Conflict is Justice, and that all things come to pass and are ordained in accordance with Conflict."

    I'm about two things and two things only, constant improvement with the relationship to my conscience and the constant refinement of the integrity of my soul (integrity in the way it is used to describe the hull of a submarine). I contend that if each of us did just those two things, our collective experience of the world would dramatically transform (for the better).
    Heraclitus — yes, Chester. Highly interesting and important, I have read him, thank you. (It is useful to read him with the Greek at hand.. all those Presocratics are notoriouly difficult to grasp purely from the language point of view, you know that I suppose, and then “translations” are mostly heavily biased.. without explicitating their bias.. but ok, I do admire Heraclitus .. I am basically “Socratic” in my understanding of reality and hence and/or Platonic… in which and whose synthesis (emphasising the idea of love) also Parmenides is subsumed as well as Empedocles whom I admire most (which explains my reference to animals and other sentient beings)).. I guess our thinking reference frameworks are at variance.. That is very much ok of course..
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