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    Russian Missiles Hit British Operations Center in Ukraine

    The Russian Army has struck the base of the Ukrainian Navy in Ochachiv, a city in the Nikolaev Region, with missiles. This particular strike took out the Communications Center and Intelligence Department of the British Naval Operations Service.

    We are told by sources in Ukraine that at least one Russian precision missile hit at the actual window sill of the Base Commander Office!

    Said one knowledgeable source "Britain is responsible for the Kerch bridge attack, the NS1 and NS2 sabotage, sinking the cruiser Moskva and also for yesterdays attack on the Sevastopol Crimea naval base. If you are in UK, I would start thinking to move out. You not gonna like whats gonna happen next...."


    https://halturnerradioshow.com/index...ter-in-ukraine

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    https://twitter.com/tassagency_en/st...34851534266369


    https://tass.com/politics/1530357

    Ukrainian manpower losses rise nearly twofold week over week to 2,500 men

    From October 17 to 23, the Ukrainian forces suffered its heaviest losses in terms of manpower and equipment on the Nikolayev-Krivoy Rog front, as opposed to last week when the heaviest losses were reported in the Kupyansk direction

    MOSCOW, October 31. /TASS/. The Russian armed forces wiped out over 2,500 Ukrainian servicemen and foreign mercenaries during its special military operation in Ukraine over the last week, according to TASS calculations based on daily briefings by Russian Defense Ministry Spokesman Igor Konashenkov. This is more than one and a half times as many as a week earlier.

    From October 17 to 23, the enemy suffered its heaviest losses in terms of manpower and equipment on the Nikolayev-Krivoy Rog front, as opposed to last week when the enemy suffered its heaviest losses in the Kupyansk direction. During the offensive in the South Donetsk direction, Russian troops advanced more than 3 km deep into the enemy's defense.

    TASS has gathered the most important statistics on the special operation from October 24 to 30.

    Offensive actions of Russian armed forces

    The Russian Defense Ministry announced its troops’ offensive in the South Donetsk direction in the Donetsk People's Republic, during which a number of strongholds and crests were seized. Russian assault groups advanced more than 3 km deep into the enemy's defense and reached the settlement of Pavlovka. The enemy lost over 100 servicemen, six soldiers surrendered.

    During the offensive, one Ukrainian tank was destroyed and another one was captured. Three armored combat vehicles and six transport vehicles were also destroyed.

    Ukrainian losses in manpower

    The most significant losses in manpower were sustained by the Ukrainian military in the Kupyansk direction: Ukraine lost 830 men. In the Nikolayev-Krivoy Rog direction, Ukrainian units made unsuccessful attempts to attack Russian positions on October 25, 26, and 27. It is stated that the enemy attacked five times on October 29 and made seven attacks before October 31. As a result, Ukrainian troops lost over 800 servicemen and foreign mercenaries in this direction, 650 men on the Krasny Liman front, and 190 men in the South Donetsk area.

    In addition, over 40 Ukrainian servicemen were wiped out as a result of a Russian missile strike on a manpower and equipment gathering point near the village of Staroverovka in the Kharkov Region.

    Ukrainian losses in equipment

    Ukrainian troops lost their largest number of tanks this past week on the Krasny Liman front: 18 in total. According to TASS calculations, Russian units on the Nikolayev-Krivoy Rog front destroyed the most Ukrainian armored combat vehicles: 63 pieces.

    Russian Lancet drones destroyed the Ukrainian Buk-M1 MLRS’s self-propelled firing system, according to a video published by the Russian Defense Ministry. The enemy also lost a US-made AN/TPQ-37 counter-battery radar.

    In total, according to TASS calculations, the Ukrainian armed forces lost about 180 tanks and other armored vehicles, as well as over 170 vehicles of various types over the week.

    Aircraft, air defense and artillery performance

    According to TASS, the most productive day for Russian air defense equipment was October 30, when they destroyed three Ukrainian Mi-8 helicopters and an Su-25 attack aircraft.

    The anti-aircraft gunners also intercepted two MiG-29 fighters, two Mi-8 helicopters, 76 drones, 78 multiple launch rocket systems: HIMARS, Smerch, Uragan and Alder, as well as 24 US air-to-surface anti-radiation missiles HARM during the week. The destroyed drones include nine shot down during a Ukrainian terrorist attack against Black Sea Fleet ships and civilian vessels at the Sevastopol roadstead on October 29.

    Russian aviation, missile and artillery units destroyed several American M777 howitzers, two US-made HIMARS multiple launch rocket systems, as well as a German MARS-2 multiple launch rocket system and PzH 2000 self-propelled artillery unit.

    Also, one Ukrainian speedboat was wiped out during an attempt by a Ukrainian sabotage and reconnaissance group to land near Energodar in the Zaporozhye Region.

    In addition, seven autonomous maritime drones that had taken part in the abovementioned attack on ships in Sevastopol’s waters were also hit. This was the first time during the entire special operation, such incidents had not been officially reported before.

    Destruction of important Ukrainian targets

    On October 26, a Russian strike in the vicinity of the village of Prikolotnoye in the Kharkov Region eliminated a communications center of the Ukrainian armed forces, and destroyed an oil storage facility near Dnepropetrovsk that was being used to supply diesel fuel to troops in Donbass.

    On October 27, a factory near the Dnepropetrovsk Region’s Pavlograd was destroyed. It produced rocket fuel, explosives and gunpowder for the Ukrainian military. On October 30, Russian forces struck a training center of the Ukrainian special operations forces near Ochakov in the Nikolayev Region.

    On October 31, the Russian Defense Ministry announced that high-precision long-range air and sea strikes had been carried out. As a result, facilities of Ukraine's military control and energy systems were hit.

    All in all, according to TASS calculations, Russian troops destroyed 33 Ukrainian command posts and 14 ammunition depots over the week.

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    https://twitter.com/tassagency_en/st...19779395018759


    https://tass.com/politics/1530351

    All partial military mobilization activities have been halted — Russian Defense Ministry

    "The preparation and handing out of military summonses are now stopped," the ministry said

    MOSCOW, October 31. /TASS/. All partial military mobilization activities and the handing out of military summonses have been halted, the Russian Defense Ministry said on Monday.

    "All activities related to conscription of reservists for military service by military enlistment offices and regional governments have been halted. The preparation and handing out of military summonses are now stopped," the ministry said.

    Reports on the wrapping up of the partial mobilization are to be submitted by November 1, and instructions on the issue have been sent to commanders of troops in the military districts and the commander of the Northern Fleet, the ministry said.

    Assembly centers and other buildings that were used for the mobilization effort will now be used for their previous purposes and military enlistment offices will go back to their routine duties, the ministry said.

    The Defense Ministry said the enlistment offices will only enlist volunteers and contract servicemen for the armed forces.

    Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu on October 28 told President Vladimir Putin that the partial mobilization, which had started on September 21, was wrapped up. Shoigu said 300,000 people had been called up, and no further goals were being planned as part of the partial mobilization.

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    https://tass.com/politics/1530289

    Seven powerful blasts heard in central Donetsk

    According to Mayor Alexey Kulemzin, the shells hit residential buildings on Vatutin Avenue

    DONETSK, 31 October. /TASS/. Seven powerful explosions were heard in the center of Donetsk, TASS correspondents report.

    The blasts took place in the central part of Donetsk. Three explosions were clearly heard in the Voroshilovsky district. Alarm sirens went off and air defense systems began operating. Three explosions were also heard near the city administration building. The seventh blast occurred a few kilometers away from the Donetsk center, a TASS correspondent reported. Pillars of smoke are rising at the site of the explosion.

    The Donetsk People’s Republic’s (DPR) mission to the Joint Control and Coordination Center on issues related to Ukraine’s war crimes (JCCC) told TASS that at least three shells exploded at the intersection of Universitetskaya Street and Bogdan Khmelnitsky Avenue.

    According to Mayor Alexey Kulemzin, the shells hit residential buildings on Vatutin Avenue. "Recorded [shells] hitting residential buildings on Vatutin Avenue. As a result, fires broke out," the Donetsk mayor wrote on his Telegram channel. He specified that the shells hit the central Voroshilovsky district.

    According to the DPR territorial defense, apartment buildings were damaged and the gas pipeline was broken as a result of Ukraine’s shelling.

    "Ukrainian militants struck the Voroshilovsky district of Donetsk. Apartment buildings on Shchorsa Street were damaged, the gas pipeline near house number 41 was broken," the message on the headquarters’ Telegram channel said.

    At present, the shelling is continuing.
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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    The official narrative promoted by the entire western political/media class is that Vladimir Putin invaded Ukraine in February of this year solely because he is evil and hates freedom. He wants to conquer as much of Europe as possible because he cannot stand free democracies, because he is another Adolf Hitler.

    The official narrative is that while Russia is in Ukraine solely because its leader is an evil monster like Hitler, the US is in Ukraine solely because its leaders are righteous. The United States is providing arms, military intelligence, and assistance on the ground from special ops forces and CIA officers to Ukraine, as well as implementing an unprecedented regime of economic warfare against Russia, solely because the US loves its good friends the Ukrainians and wants to protect their freedom and democracy.

    If you dispute any part of the official Ukraine narrative, you are an evil monster, and a disinformation agent. Because Vladimir Putin is the same as Adolf Hitler, you are also the same as Neville Chamberlain, and are guilty of the cardinal sin of supporting appeasement.

    If you are tempted to ask questions which put a wobble on the official narrative, you must resist this urge at all cost. Don’t ask why western officials, scholars and strategists have spent years warning that the actions of western governments would lead to this war. Don’t ask what people are talking about when they say the US provoked this war, or when they say the US is using this war to advance strategic agendas it has had in place for years, or when they suggest that these things might have something to do with why the US is obstructing diplomatic solutions at every turn. If you ask questions like these, you are the worst person in the world.

    Per the official narrative, if you confront powerful lawmakers on their support for US interventionism in Ukraine, you are “parroting pro-Putin talking points” and spreading “Russian disinformation”.

    Questioning officials of the most powerful government in the world about the most consequential decisions being made in the world is violence, and is not allowed.

    If you are tempted to ask questions which put a wobble on the official narrative, you must resist this urge at all cost. Don’t ask why western officials, scholars and strategists have spent years warning that the actions of western governments would lead to this war. Don’t ask what people are talking about when they say the US provoked this war, or when they say the US is using this war to advance strategic agendas it has had in place for years, or when they suggest that these things might have something to do with why the US is obstructing diplomatic solutions at every turn. If you ask questions like these, you are the worst person in the world.

    Per the official narrative, if you confront powerful lawmakers on their support for US interventionism in Ukraine, you are “parroting pro-Putin talking points” and spreading “Russian disinformation”.

    Questioning officials of the most powerful government in the world about the most consequential decisions being made in the world is violence, and is not allowed.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...rative-ukraine

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    For the formal record (which seems increasingly important!), here's the statement of the Russian Defence Ministry concerning the unsuccessful air-and-sea drone attack on the Russian Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol on 29 October.

    The link is here:
    https://eng.mil.ru/en/special_operat...2443595@egNews

    ...but I was only able to read the cached version here.
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    Statement of Russian Defence Ministry

    Following the repulsion of the terrorist attack on the ships of the Black Sea Fleet and civilian vessels involved in the security of the ‘grain corridor’ on 29 October this year, the wreckage of the sea drones used by the Kiev regime under the leadership of representatives of Great Britain was found and lifted to the surface.

    Specialists The Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation, together with representatives of other government agencies, conducted an examination of the Canadian navigation modules installed on the unmanned aerial vehicles.

    According to the results of reconstruction of the information read from the memory of the navigation receiver, it was established that the sea drones were launched from the coast near Odessa.

    The sea drones moved along the ‘grain corridor’ security zone, after which they changed their route in the direction of the Russian ship base point in Sevastopol.

    At the same time, the coordinates of movement of one of the sea drones indicate the starting point in the sea area of the ‘grain corridor’ security zone in the Black Sea.

    According to experts, this may indicate a preliminary launch of this vehicle from one of the civilian vessels chartered by Kiev or its Western patrons to export agricultural products from Ukrainian seaports.

    ~~~

    And here's the equally important statement by the Russian Foreign Ministry:

    https://mid.ru/ru/foreign_policy/news/1835797/?lang=en

    Russian Foreign Ministry statement on the Black Sea Grain Initiative for the export of Ukrainian grain

    On October 29, the Ukrainian Armed Forces, under the cover of the humanitarian corridor set up for the implementation of the Black Sea Grain Initiative for the export of Ukrainian agricultural products, launched massive air and sea strikes using drones against the Russian Black Sea Fleet’s ships and infrastructure at the naval base in Sevastopol.

    As a result of the actions (which cannot be qualified as anything other than a terrorist attack) by the Ukrainian armed forces, led by the British specialists, directed, in particular, against Russian ships ensuring the functioning of the humanitarian corridor, the Russian side can no longer guarantee the safety of civilian dry cargo ships participating in the Black Sea Grain Initiative and will suspend its implementation from today for an indefinite period.

    The corresponding instructions have been issued to Russian representatives in the Joint Coordination Centre in Istanbul, which is in charge of the transportation of Ukrainian food products.

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    Quote Posted by Matthew (here)
    Putin also wants a new world order, and is a member of the Eastern Economic Forum. He's no messiah. Zelensky is a budget version of Putin, but they are made of the same stuff - two peas in a pod. One is the mainstream bogy man and the other is painted as some kind of saint. Holistically they are the same. No way is Putin our hero or saviour; he's a master of propaganda and censorship. Putin has been playing his brutal game for about ten years, waiting for the perfect storm of oppression against Russians in Ukraine. So it looks to me like Putin has accidentally on purpose manufactured the moral high-ground over the last ten years, but after ten years it seems legit looking at it fresh today. It's not that simple, he let them rot so he could pick up the pieces and further expansion.
    This is a bit odd way of thinking process


    So, it was Putin who designed the suffering of the people in Donbass all these years? Did he say it coming and said something like: "Great! There's a US planned very bloody coup in Ukraine, going to hope that Donbass gets obliterated over several years by the Nazi government imposed by the US and then after, let's say, 7 or 8 years, then i go save them and take over the world!"


    Is that the kind of stuff that is considered a valid theory about how things went on?


    Questions:

    1. Why do you feel Russia, and not the usual 'savor of human kind' US had to intervene?
    2. The Donbass issue started as Ukraine went through a US supported coup, it was an internal issue of the Ukraine country, wasn't there supposed to be some kind of intervention of the UN at that point? When it became clear thousands of people were getting killed/disappearing by the day?
    3. If Russia had intervened back then, instead of 'letting them rot', would that have changed the perception of "Russia invasion of Ukraine" that the western media narrative sells today?
    4. Why is it that no one acknowledges the elephant in the room: That the 'pro-russian' separatists are in fact full Ukrainian citizens that decided against supporting the western illegal coup and decided to separate from the corrupted Ukrainian state?
    5. Why no one in the west cared at all about the entire issue for the past 8 years? And only until the US started their campaign of lies and proxy-war suddenly everyone has an opinion that is mostly based on that same false and corrupt narrative the western media sells?


    So many questions


    But the main issue here is, why do you think, or what led you to think that Russia had the obligation of intervening in Ukraine, specifically in Donbass, to help the survivors of a western planned and supported coup that killed up to 20,000 civilians by now? Why not the UN, or the usual western saviors that go around the world invading other countries with the excuse of "Freedom and Democracy" and supposedly because the government is killing people in lots of cases? Why did you think of that in the first place, that it was Russia's duty to go do something about it?



    Don't you find that odd, that you thought it was Russia the country that had to intervene in this particular case? And not the UN, as it would be expected?


    I think you got pwned by the western narrative, in a very interesting way



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    Quote Posted by Mashika (here)
    Quote Posted by Matthew (here)
    Putin also wants a new world order, and is a member of the Eastern Economic Forum. He's no messiah. Zelensky is a budget version of Putin, but they are made of the same stuff - two peas in a pod. One is the mainstream bogy man and the other is painted as some kind of saint. Holistically they are the same. No way is Putin our hero or saviour; he's a master of propaganda and censorship. Putin has been playing his brutal game for about ten years, waiting for the perfect storm of oppression against Russians in Ukraine. So it looks to me like Putin has accidentally on purpose manufactured the moral high-ground over the last ten years, but after ten years it seems legit looking at it fresh today. It's not that simple, he let them rot so he could pick up the pieces and further expansion.
    This is a bit odd way of thinking process

    So, it was Putin who designed the suffering of the people in Donbass all these years? Did he say it coming and said something like: "Great! There's a US planned very bloody coup in Ukraine, going to hope that Donbass gets obliterated over several years by the Nazi government imposed by the US and then after, let's say, 7 or 8 years, then i go save them and take over the world!"

    Is that the kind of stuff that is considered a valid theory about how things went on?

    Questions:

    1. Why do you feel Russia, and not the usual 'savor of human kind' US had to intervene?
    2. The Donbass issue started as Ukraine went through a US supported coup, it was an internal issue of the Ukraine country, wasn't there supposed to be some kind of intervention of the UN at that point? When it became clear thousands of people were getting killed/disappearing by the day?
    3. If Russia had intervened back then, instead of 'letting them rot', would that have changed the perception of "Russia invasion of Ukraine" that the western media narrative sells today?
    4. Why is it that no one acknowledges the elephant in the room: That the 'pro-russian' separatists are in fact full Ukrainian citizens that decided against supporting the western illegal coup and decided to separate from the corrupted Ukrainian state?
    5. Why no one in the west cared at all about the entire issue for the past 8 years? And only until the US started their campaign of lies and proxy-war suddenly everyone has an opinion that is mostly based on that same false and corrupt narrative the western media sells?

    So many questions

    But the main issue here is, why do you think, or what led you to think that Russia had the obligation of intervening in Ukraine, specifically in Donbass, to help the survivors of a western planned and supported coup that killed up to 20,000 civilians by now? Why not the UN, or the usual western saviors that go around the world invading other countries with the excuse of "Freedom and Democracy" and supposedly because the government is killing people in lots of cases? Why did you think of that in the first place, that it was Russia's duty to go do something about it?

    Don't you find that odd, that you thought it was Russia the country that had to intervene in this particular case? And not the UN, as it would be expected?

    I think you got pwned by the western narrative, in a very interesting way

    ~~~

    I'm laughing here, just a little, at Mashika's very, very mild reply. She could have taken Matthew completely apart here, and correctly so. I have a high personal regard for Matthew, respecting him a great deal, but nothing he said in Mashika's quote of his post above was correct. Not a thing.


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    The best frame of reference I have is the UK and Northern Ireland. There is no hero war leader. Situations like that, on a small or big scale are born a mess and develop into a bigger bloodier mess. I don't assume good faith all the way, especially not from world leaders. Should the UK have sent military into Northern Ireland? I really don't know. You tell me. Its not good-guy/bad-guy. Putin is as bad as the rest, playing global politics first with collateral damage acceptable. Where's that prove me wrong meme? I left it in my other jacket

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    I'm laughing here, just a little, at Mashika's very, very mild reply. She could have taken Matthew completely apart here, and correctly so. I have a high personal regard for Matthew, respecting him a great deal, but nothing he said in Mashika's quote of his post above was correct. Not a thing.

    Saint Putin and our lady Mashika

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    Quote Posted by Matthew (here)
    Quote Posted by Mashika (here)
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    The best frame of reference I have is the UK and Northern Ireland. There is no hero war leader. Situations like that, on a small or big scale are born a mess and develop into a bigger bloodier mess. I don't assume good faith all the way, especially not from world leaders. Should the UK have sent military into Northern Ireland? I really don't know. You tell me. Its not good-guy/bad-guy. Putin is as bad as the rest, playing global politics first with collateral damage acceptable. Where's that prove me wrong meme? I left it in my other jacket[COLOR="red"]
    But this doesn't answer my question...


    Why did you think that it was Russia's obligation in this particular case, and not the UN as it should have? OR a group of countries intervening to prevent the mass cleansing that was going on against the very own Ukrainian population by their government?


    - The Ukrainian coup imposed government was acknowledged as official and valid by the west
    - They started killing their own civilians by the thousands, no one knows yet how many did actually die or went missing
    - The UN did nothing about it and looked the other way, despite hundreds and hundreds of reports of killings over the years that they just archived in the "i'll never look into these reports again" cabinet
    - No western countries pronounced themselves against a government that was killing their own citizens



    Recently, there was news that the US and Mexico were forming some kind of alliance to go invade Haiti, because of the crisis over there, and the US said something like "a third party country" would do the job, that would be Mexico most likely, as it has already taken over the training of some military groups from Haiti, how odd, right? Mexico is not even an offensive army, it is a defensive one, yet it's going to invade Haiti to 'protect freedom and democracy' and save human lives...


    Yet over the years, no pronunciation or action was taken by any country to go help in Donbass


    I still have the same question, why did you think it was Russia the one country that had to do something about that situation, why not South Korea, or Japan, or Mexico, or China, or India, or any other country in particular or an alliance as in other parts of the world?


    I just simply think that your mind conformed to what the narrative said people must conform to, and that is "This is the world vs Russia" even if they don't say it directly, so the expected country planted 'on the other side of the conflict' in people's minds can only be Russia, by design


    So yeah, you got pwned badly there, your thought process and critical thinking are compromised


    I would not trust my own thoughts after that.. Who knows what else may have been planted on my brain


    Quote Saint Putin and our lady Mashika
    It is not about Putin really, this was/is about Russia in general, as you can see by the way Russian culture has been attacked all over the 'allies' world. This is about going against Russia as a culture/country/people, and not about a single guy, but they need to have an evil figure like Stalin or Hitler they can demonize, someone the western people can look at and blame things on


    Would be hard to just blame the entire country every time, it doesn't work, there has to be a person in front of it, that's how it works


    "Putin's war', Putin this and Putin that, constant referencing of it just shows weak understanding but straight following of the narrative effort, and it also shows very little effort put into dissecting the truth in this case

    But oh well, next time i talk to Vova i'll let him know he's in your thoughts all the time


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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    Interesting short video by Gonzalo Lira discussing the real reason why NATO (er... I mean Ukraine) did the shoddy drone attack on Sevastopol: to provoke Russia into shutting down the grain shipping route, and then western nations will use that as a pretext to try to ban Russia from participating the upcoming G20 event in Singapore.
    "2022.10.30 Why NATO Attacked Crimea (hint, the G20 Summit)"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFW38_yoLM0

    However, Russia is already discussing grain shipments to poor nations:
    "Russia offers alternative to Ukraine ‘grain deal’"
    https://www.rt.com/russia/565677-alt...n-deal-moscow/

    Personally, I think the western elites are just throwing the kitchen sink at creating the utmost chaos, in the west especially. The covid scam, hyperinflation resulting from the interruption of the supply chain and sanctions, and staging WW3. It's all about their depopulation goal, beginning with Europeans (how the heck will they survive this winter). It's hard to believe this is happening, but here we are. The endless and pointless NATO provocations against Russia seem to be designed to elicit an all out response from Russia eventually. Biden himself has several times mentioned nuclear attacks, from either side. He's a senile old man, but I see an undecurrent of guile in his act when making such statements. I wouldn't discount the possibility that he has been carefully coached to specifically raise these nuclear threats, while his senility is used to sow uncertainty as to what is really being planned.

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    If this is true, then...



    Source: https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/st...55651537309697
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