WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/Trollstoy88/stat...79352973647872

https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1616085543393329155

https://www.rt.com/russia/570132-zel...s-putin-alive/


Kremlin rubbishes bizarre Zelensky claim about Putin
Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky claimed that he was not certain if Vladimir Putin actually holds the office of president of Russia, or is even alive. The Kremlin dismissed the remark as an expression of Zelensky’s wishful thinking.

Russia and Putin are “a big problem” for Zelensky, so it’s natural that he “would prefer that neither Russia nor Putin existed,” Dmitry Peskov, the Kremlin spokesman told journalists on Thursday.

He was reacting to a claim that Zelensky had made earlier in the day during his virtual appearance at the Ukrainian Breakfast, an event hosted on the sidelines of the World Economic Forum in Davos by the Victor Pinchuk Foundation.

“I am not certain that the president of Russia, who makes occasional appearances on TV in front of a chroma key is actually [Putin],” the Ukrainian leader said, using the term for a background replacement technique colloquially known as ‘green screen.’

“I absolutely do not know whether he is alive, whether he takes decisions or someone else does,” Zelensky added, speculating that Russia could be under a collegial rule.

The remark came as the Ukrainian leader claimed that failure to reduce tensions with Moscow during the years of his presidency and the lack of negotiations today were Russia’s fault.

Ukraine’s intel chief peddles Putin lookalike theory
Ukraine’s intel chief peddles Putin lookalike theory
On Wednesday, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov assessed that Zelensky and his government were not free to take decisions on foreign policy and that the country was hostage to a Western proxy war against Russia.

“There can be no negotiation with Zelensky, if only because he legally banned any talks with the Russian government,” he pointed out.

Remarks by Zelensky seemed to allude to a popular conspiracy theory, which speculates that the Russian government employs a number of Putin lookalikes to stand in for him at various events. The extreme variant claims that the “real” Putin is long dead and that Russia is controlled by a cabal of puppeteers.

Some officials in the Ukrainian government apparently consider the idea to be viable to some extent. Kirill Budanov, who heads Ukraine’s military intelligence service, claimed in an interview in July that a double went to Iran earlier that month instead of Putin. He offered no evidence to back the allegation.

[grapevine]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=q9uajFsfQQ0

(Probably) just posturing but I don't like the sound of this at all.

[Bill Ryan]

From Aleksandr Dugin:

https://twitter.com/Russ_Warrior/sta...37350024400896

An absolute war

For the first time in history, Russia is fighting an absolute war. All previous wars were relative and prototypes, prefigurations of this one, which is the main one. Only this war is the final one, the last and irreversibly significant.

It is clear that we do not yet understand it. What is happening is beyond the comprehension of even those involved in it, even those who started it. For the first time at the other end is absolute evil - not partial, not relative; it is not even the West, much less the ephemeral transient entity of so called "Ukraine", however hellish it may seem: it is something much deeper.

This is humanity's last war. Only Russia, with a few others, has decisively taken the side of Truth, but has not understood how. It is for this historical moment that we, Russians, have been created. Regardless of how it ends, preparations for the Last Judgement are in full swing.

The watershed is cutting across the planet: on this side or on the other. Humanity is torn apart. History is a movement from one to two. In the beginning there was only one Adam. In the end there are two: Adam and his black double.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by w1ndmill (here)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=q9uajFsfQQ0

(Probably) just posturing but I don't like the sound of this at all.

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• https://www.rt.com/russia/570118-med...lation-ukraine

Former Russian president Medvedev warns of nuclear scenario in Ukraine

"Morons" demanding a Russian defeat in Ukraine seem to be oblivious to the fact that such an outcome could result in a nuclear escalation, former President Dmitry Medvedev has argued.

Medvedev, who currently serves as deputy chair of the Russian Security Council, reiterated the warning ahead of a meeting on Friday of Ukraine’s military donors at the Ramstein US air base in Germany. He lashed out at Western politicians advocating a loss in the conflict for Russia as the only possible option in Ukraine.

“Not one of those morons is apparently willing to make the next logical step: a loss by a nuclear power in a conventional war may trigger the start of a nuclear war. Nuclear powers never lost a major conflict on which their fate depended,” he said on social media on Thursday.

The Prime Minister of Poland Mateusz Morawiecki is among those who support sending as many arms as possible to Kiev. He claimed this week that “the defeat of Ukraine may become a prelude to World War III, so today there is no reason to block support for Kiev and postpone matters indefinitely.”

A nuclear escalation was cited by some Western leaders, including US President Joe Biden, as a scenario they want to avoid by restricting their involvement in the Ukrainian conflict. They have also warned Moscow against deploying nuclear weapons in Ukraine, stating that this would be considered a major provocation.

The Russian military doctrine allows the use of such weapons of ultimate resort either in retaliation for an attack against Russia or its allies with weapons of mass destruction, or during a conventional conflict that puts the Russian statehood at significant risk.

Moscow considers the situation in Ukraine to be a proxy war waged against it by the US and its allies. Their goal is to hurt Russia as much as possible, which is why they are prolonging the hostilities by arming Kiev and forbidding it from pursuing a negotiated settlement, senior Russian officials have assessed.

Russian President Vladimir Putin has warned that his government would not hesitate to use all means at its disposal.

[I am B]

Pantsir C1 missile systems are being alledgedly placed on the rooftops of Moscow.

https://t.me/svtvnews/22492

[Bill Ryan]

It's now being reported on Telegram channels that the German Bundestag has decided NOT to send its Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine. (I can't yet find any official confirmation of this.)

This may very well have been one of the concerns. German tanks vs. the Russian army? It looks worse than terrible.

https://t.me/CyberspecNews/16785

[Vicus]

Europe on the fork way... Which one ?

a) West must contribute to Russia’s search for ‘destiny’ – Macron
Supporting Kiev isn't enough, there's a need to build peace and talk to Russia, the French president believes

Russia is a "great nation" which is now actively seeking a new "destiny," French President Emmanuel Macron said on Thursday. The conflict between Moscow and Kiev has become part of this search, the French leader believes, adding that the West would only see a lasting peace if it contributed to this process through a dialogue with Russia.

"There will be no lasting peace if we do not contribute our part of the answer to this question," he said. He once again warned the West against a desire to bring Moscow to "its knees." Geography cannot be "changed," he said, adding that Europe will still be a neighbor to Russia in the future regardless of relations between them.

continue: https://www.rt.com/news/570162-macro...earch-destiny/

b) Another EU nation considers tank shipment to Ukraine – Politico
France could send its Leclerc armor to Kiev, but the issue is “complicated,” the outlet’s sources say

France is considering deliveries of Leclerc tanks to Ukraine in an effort to overcome Germany’s reluctance to make a similar commitment, Politico reported on Thursday, citing sources. Should France arrive at this decision, it would become the third nation to pledge Western-made heavy armor to Kiev.

According to a French official interviewed by the outlet, Paris may resort to the move in order to provide Germany with a joint framework for tank shipments for Ukraine. The German government has repeatedly argued that it would not supply Kiev with Leopard 2 tanks, claiming that deliveries of such weapons should be coordinated with its allies.

However, France has yet to make a final decision on the matter, the report says. “The subject is complicated and hasn’t been settled yet in Paris. But we are thinking about it,” a French official told Politico.

He added that the issue could be addressed at the joint French-German cabinet meeting scheduled for Sunday.

continue: https://www.rt.com/news/570117-franc...eries-ukraine/

[Mashika]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
It's now being reported on Telegram channels that the German Bundestag has decided NOT to send its Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine. (I can't yet find any official confirmation of this.)

This may very well have been one of the concerns. German tanks vs. the Russian army? It looks worse than terrible.

https://t.me/CyberspecNews/16785

Well there are mostly three issues with those tanks

1. These are old ones, and require lots of maintenance, which Ukraine can't do, so they would constantly need to be sent out to receive proper maintenance
2. These tanks are mostly not prepared to deal with things like the Kornet thermobaric ATGM, and now these have been deployed all over the place by Wagner and even the regular Russian army
3. The T-90 tanks now being deployed, are not the 'E or S' version (Previously, Russian army deployed lots of T-90 tanks that were the 'export' version, it was not the full modern version of the tank, it was similar but outdated). But now, the real T-90 has been deployed, and it would be bad if it turns out that those German tanks are cannon fodder for the more modern T-90. I don't think they want to play that game, or risk getting their outdated machines exposed for what they are by now.. crap

lol

[Mashika]

Also why we probably won't be seeing Abraham tanks any time soon over Ukraine, it would be very bad if Kornet ATGM takes them down in giant quantities, imagine how that would look like to the "international community"

I don't think they want to take that chance at all

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Mashika (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
It's now being reported on Telegram channels that the German Bundestag has decided NOT to send its Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine. (I can't yet find any official confirmation of this.)

This may very well have been one of the concerns. German tanks vs. the Russian army? It looks worse than terrible.

https://t.me/CyberspecNews/16785

Well there are mostly three issues with those tanks

1. These are old ones, and require lots of maintenance, which Ukraine can't do, so they would constantly need to be sent out to receive proper maintenance
2. These tanks are mostly not prepared to deal with things like the Kornet thermobaric ATGM, and now these have been deployed all over the place by Wagner and even the regular Russian army
3. The T-90 tanks now being deployed, are not the 'E or S' version (Previously, Russian army deployed lots of T-90 tanks that were the 'export' version, it was not the full modern version of the tank, it was similar but outdated). But now, the real T-90 has been deployed, and it would be bad if it turns out that those German tanks are cannon fodder for the more modern T-90. I don't think they want to play that game, or risk getting their outdated machines exposed for what they are by now.. crap

lol

And maybe (as described by Scott Ritter in an interview yesterday)

4. It takes two hours to learn to operate it, 6 months to learn not to break it, and a year to learn to use it effectively in a complex combat situation.

[Mashika]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Mashika (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
It's now being reported on Telegram channels that the German Bundestag has decided NOT to send its Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine. (I can't yet find any official confirmation of this.)

This may very well have been one of the concerns. German tanks vs. the Russian army? It looks worse than terrible.

https://t.me/CyberspecNews/16785

Well there are mostly three issues with those tanks

1. These are old ones, and require lots of maintenance, which Ukraine can't do, so they would constantly need to be sent out to receive proper maintenance
2. These tanks are mostly not prepared to deal with things like the Kornet thermobaric ATGM, and now these have been deployed all over the place by Wagner and even the regular Russian army
3. The T-90 tanks now being deployed, are not the 'E or S' version (Previously, Russian army deployed lots of T-90 tanks that were the 'export' version, it was not the full modern version of the tank, it was similar but outdated). But now, the real T-90 has been deployed, and it would be bad if it turns out that those German tanks are cannon fodder for the more modern T-90. I don't think they want to play that game, or risk getting their outdated machines exposed for what they are by now.. crap

lol

And maybe (as described by Scott Ritter in an interview yesterday)

4. It takes two hours to learn to operate it, 6 months to learn not to break it, and a year to learn to use it effectively in a complex combat situation.

And i hope, if they do send them, those tanks are pressurized above all standards we know, because a thermobaric rocket, like the Kornet, will cook everything inside that tank in a couple seconds, if the tank is not pressurized, and even if it is, then it will also basically break it apart so the soldiers inside suddenly are sitting on the floor

If the US/UK or the west in general were to send Abraham tanks, the Kornet thermobaric version would suddenly show up all over the place, and i don't think the US has ever built their tanks to deal with that kind of stuff, they didn't need, or wanted to, it was not needed because only Russia fields that kind of ATGM in the entire planet, and they never imagined a scenario in which their tanks would have to face the Russian army

Foot yourself in the Shoot kind of situation lol

[Mashika]

The funny thing about the Kornet is, it's so small and fast, the enemy has little chance to move before getting hit, but even if they try, the pressure is so high that things like glass just melt on the spot. Tanks have a lot of dependency on glass for their mirrors, the cameras and so on, a tank with no way to see outside is just a big piece of iron sitting there waiting to get squashed

So even if the tank were pressurized correctly to endure a thermobaric rocket, the glass outside would still melt, leaving the tank useless.

So yeah, if the US were to send those, then it would immediately mean Russia would start working hard on producing more Kornet ATGM units, because that would end it all in a matter of weeks. No chance they want to test that scenario

[Vicus]

Ukraine's 'International Legion:' Why an Australian TV star is accused of stealing millions
The organization's celebrity ‘conwoman’ has come under investigation for fraud

Few Russians or Ukrainians will likely have heard of ‘The Block’. It's an Australian reality show in which couples compete against each other to renovate homes and sell them at auction for the highest possible price. This may have provided the perfect cover for Emese Fajk, a participant who fled the land Down Under after she attempted to buy a renovated property at great expense using fake bank slips, to join Kiev’s International Legion as its official spokesperson.

Fajk was first publicly linked to the group in July 2022. To the extent the mainstream media has acknowledged its spokesperson’s criminal past before, it is in the context of her work for the armed forces offering her a chance at “redemption.” That opportunity, if it ever existed in the first place, seems well and truly spent, given that she – known in Kiev under the callsign ‘Mockingjay’ – is now being investigated for fraud by authorities in the East European city.

The essence of the accusations
Fajk is accused by the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) of stealing millions of dollars worth of medical supplies intended for Ukrainian soldiers, and Legion funds, which she denies. She was reportedly involved in the disappearance of a “massive” $2.5 million US shipment of medical supplies, and siphoning international donations intended for Kiev’s war effort.

The medical supplies – which included painkillers, such as the deadly opioid fentanyl – arrived in late October, but never made it to the frontline. “Considerable efforts” to locate the missing shipment were conducted, to no avail. Fajk claimed to know nothing of the shipment’s existence in the first place, but testimony by the individuals who delivered it places her at the scene where it arrived.

The lack of supplies meant countless injured Ukrainian soldiers on the frontlines were left in agony for hours or even days while awaiting help. The SBU’s report on the incident notes that when further questions were asked of Fajk, and it became obvious to her she was under suspicion, some of the supplies miraculously turned up at long last.

The same cannot be said for the “large amounts” of money donated to the Legion, which were “confiscated by Mockingjay and sent to places unknown.” Since Fajk joined in April 2022, the group has relied on two fundraising organizations, both set up and solely controlled by her, including the Civil Front, which is based in Norway.

The SBU has documented how many legionnaires complained of a lack of transparency regarding these entities. Fajk is also said to have been caught on a secret recording admitting she “routinely utilized the funds in this account for personal profit.”

Symptom of a major disease
The Mail’s disclosures mark an exceedingly rare example of a Western news outlet acknowledging rampant corruption and criminality at all levels in Ukraine’s International Legion. Set up by President Vladimir Zelensky days after the Russian offensive began, it received so many applications from foreign volunteers that recruitment had to be paused in April, mere days after Fajk herself joined.

Many of those enlisting were young, impressionable males taken in by media tales of Ukrainian heroism, who had little or no experience in the military, let alone of direct combat, and a growing number have paid for that decision with their lives. Those who survive frequently leave within mere days or weeks, as they are sent straight to the frontline to serve as cannon fodder, facing a relentless, and highly deadly, Russian artillery onslaught.

As RT has previously documented in detail, several foreign fighters from English-speaking countries have testified publicly to how poorly trained, undisciplined new recruits and veteran mercenaries alike buckle under the hopeless realities of the conflict, a situation greatly exacerbated by a lack of supplies, air support, artillery cover, or extraction teams.

continue: https://www.rt.com/russia/569796-ukr...rity-conwoman/

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Mashika (here)
So yeah, if the US were to send those, then it would immediately mean Russia would start working hard on producing more Kornet ATGM units, because that would end it all in a matter of weeks. No chance they want to test that scenario

According to the Wiki Kornet page, the Iraqis used Kornets successfully in disable US Abrams tanks.

During the Iraq War, Kornets were used by some groups of Iraqi special forces to attack U.S. armored vehicles, disabling at least two Abrams tanks and one Bradley infantry fighting vehicle in the opening week of the war.

[Bill Ryan]

Both Russia and NATO are escalating... clearly.
So what's the likely outcome?

https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/41660
https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/41661

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/HungaryBased/sta...38719513149450

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https://twitter.com/squatsons/status...41561003388930

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/NewsFromDonbass/...16216358780934

https://eu.eot.su/2023/01/19/poland-...nian-refugees/

Poland proposes to mobilize Ukrainian refugees

19.01.2023, Warsaw.

Former commander of Polish Land Forces Lieutenant General in reserve Waldemar Skrzypczak called to mobilize Ukrainian refugees in European countries on January 16, wPolityce informs.

“Together with NATO, we should start training new units of the Ukrainian army – in Poland, Germany and France. Train those Ukrainian citizens who are here – mobilize them, train, send to the front,” Skrzypczak said.

Skrzypczak noted that the situation in Ukraine continues to deteriorate, and if the current situation persists, Ukraine will lose.

Skrzypczak added that an army of Polish emigrants was formed in a similar way in France in 1940.

US National Intelligence Director Avril Haines said that the defeat of Ukraine would lead to global consequences for the West.

[Mashika]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Mashika (here)
So yeah, if the US were to send those, then it would immediately mean Russia would start working hard on producing more Kornet ATGM units, because that would end it all in a matter of weeks. No chance they want to test that scenario

According to the Wiki Kornet page, the Iraqis used Kornets successfully in disable US Abrams tanks.

During the Iraq War, Kornets were used by some groups of Iraqi special forces to attack U.S. armored vehicles, disabling at least two Abrams tanks and one Bradley infantry fighting vehicle in the opening week of the war.

I believe these are the same ones i know, they use a cable to direct the rocket, and are not the thermobaric version. Still it is incredible accurate and effective

I have seen videos lately for the newer laser-guided thermobaric version being deployed in Ukraine, but in limited numbers because it is very expensive, but if US tanks were to show up, then it would probably take front attention immediately, regardless of cost

Also

Reuters have found remains of used Kornet missiles in Ukraine in the context of the 2014–2015 Russian military intervention in Ukraine. Since Ukraine is not a known operator of Kornet, Reuters quoted the International Institute for Strategic Studies that the missiles were most likely sent into Ukraine by Russia.

Lol, just some, i know better

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/snekotron/status...42852026777600

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https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/st...44915011862553

https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/st...44920531566606

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
escalating...

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/29660