WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

[Matthew]

Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
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Former commander of Polish Land Forces Lieutenant General in reserve Waldemar Skrzypczak called to mobilize Ukrainian refugees in European countries on January 16, wPolityce informs.

“Together with NATO, we should start training new units of the Ukrainian army – in Poland, Germany and France. Train those Ukrainian citizens who are here – mobilize them, train, send to the front,” Skrzypczak said.

Skrzypczak noted that the situation in Ukraine continues to deteriorate, and if the current situation persists, Ukraine will lose.

Skrzypczak added that an army of Polish emigrants was formed in a similar way in France in 1940.

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What I'm reading between the lines is that his patience is running thin.


As for the west sending tanks, from the reports in videos in this thread the puny number of tanks looks more like a great way to fail while looking like you're doing something.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Matthew (here)
...the puny number of tanks

Yes, Ukraine had about 1000 (a thousand) T-64, T-72 and T-80 tanks before the start of the war. Most of them have been destroyed. The same will happen to the few dozen more that they might receive — and even then, they can't be on the battlefield immediately.

The discussion point might be the following. Is this all about optics and the PR-media-political appearance of 'supporting the team'? Or, if there's a serious US/NATO intention to escalate the conflict, at what point might other weapons start to appear, perhaps with tens of thousands of US/NATO troops on the ground?

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/MayaSashenka/sta...81332598693889

https://twitter.com/MayaSashenka/sta...79313042456577

https://twitter.com/MayaSashenka/sta...38546988961799

[Mashika]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Matthew (here)
...the puny number of tanks

Yes, Ukraine had about 1000 (a thousand) T-64, T-72 and T-80 tanks before the start of the war. Most of them have been destroyed. The same will happen to the few dozen more that they might receive — and even then, they can't be on the battlefield immediately.

The discussion point might be the following. Is this all about optics and the PR-media-political appearance of 'supporting the team'? Or, if there's a serious US/NATO intention to escalate the conflict, at what point might other weapons start to appear, perhaps with tens of thousands of US/NATO troops on the ground?

If numbers are correct, Ukraine has basically gone through 3 full armies in less than a year, always rebuilding it and then completely losing it

There are countries such as Mexico who have a smaller army and yet they are very solid defensive wise. If Mexico has an army like the one Ukraine has lost 3 times already, there would be no cartels left around since very long ago. And the US would not be invaded by drugs every other corner the way the US gov says they are

But "Slava Banana", who cares about Mexico and the cartels, let's provide for the master race instead

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/ArthurM40330824/...62511979438082

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/PeImeniPusha/sta...20581585539072

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https://twitter.com/PeImeniPusha/sta...18240564109313

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/GeromanAT/status...10082924056577

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=AZjQp8YA6UM

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/stat...04105713688576

[Samson]

The Dutch msm War drums are started. The dictator Putin has to be stopped at all costs. A slide is shown which shows the billions of euro's every country is contributing to stop Putin...our minister of defence claims we have no army or soldiers left...

So we the Dutch spend 20 billion a year on defence and connot deliver 1 platoon?...48 soldiers.
Im confused, is Putin a dictator? That has to be stopped no matter what....even its the end of our world as we know it. Our only selfproclaimed trustworthy national news broadcast 'het 8 uur journaal ' tells us.
If were gonna fight this War is discussed in Rammstein tomorrow. Bekijk NOS Journaal op https://www.npostart.nl/POW_05468195
Rammstein is famous for ,buck dich, which means get ready to get brutally f**ked.

Only the first 5 minutes in this nos journaal.

[Bill Ryan]

https://t.me/CyberspecNews/16863
https://t.me/CyberspecNews/16864

[Vicus]

Russia demands tribunal for Merkel and Hollande



In the West, a plot to start WWIII barely made the news.

The Chairman of the Russian State Duma, Vyacheslav Volodin, posted a statement to his Telegram account calling for an international military tribunal of Angela Merkel and François Hollande.

"Such confessions made by the representative of the Kyiv regime and former leaders of Germany and France should be used as an evidence base for an international military tribunal," Volodin said.


Merkel and Hollande conspired to undermine the 2015 Minsk agreement. France and Germany deceptively agreed to the Minsk deal that would have halted the persecution and murder of ethnic Russians in Donbas, and also require Ukrainian neutrality.

Merkel and Hollande conspired with the USG and NATO to exploit the agreement. The peace deal was ignored in order to build up Ukraine's nazified military and make way for NATO and its missiles and tanks to be placed on Russia's doorstep.

In the West, this plot to start a world war barely made the news.

I'm not surprised. Here in America, the loud, persistent, and manipulative lies of the state insist Ukraine is winning the war, which is obviously untrue.

Information contrary to Big Lies cranked out on a daily basis by the USG and its script-reading media will be ignored. Reality is at odds with the war narrative.

More than ever, the words of George Orwell are prescient.

In his novel Nineteen Eighty-Four, Orwell wrote, "War is Peace" and "Ignorance is Strength." Both are applicable when sociopaths such as Merkel and Hollande are allowed to subvert peace and encourage ethnic-inspired animus, cruelty, sadism, torture, rape, and mass murder.

Volodin will be ignored. His demand for justice will not be honored, let alone acknowledged by the USG and its dissembling corporate propaganda appendage masquerading as a "free press."

Merkel revealed the truth about the betrayal of Minsk. She will not be held to account, as most western "leaders" are above the law, even if a violation of the law results in the murder of countless innocent victims.


http://www.sott.net/article/476451-R...l-and-Hollande

[Vicus]

Russian Orthodox Church issues apocalyptic warning that 'the desire to destroy Russia could mean the end of the world'



Any attempts to destroy Russia could spell disaster for the entire world, the head of the Russian Orthodox Church, Patriarch Kirill, warned on Thursday.

Speaking after a religious service marking the Orthodox Christian holiday of Epiphany, the primate claimed that both the international community and Russia are facing "very huge threats."

According to Patriarch Kirill, the root of the problem is that some "madmen" believe that Russia, which "has powerful weapons and is populated by extremely strong people... who had never given in to an enemy and had always emerged victorious, could be defeated under the current circumstances."

Neither would it be possible to "impose on them certain values that cannot even be called values, so that they would be like everyone else and obey those who have the power to control most of the world," he noted.

The Patriarch's remarks echo a statement by former Russian president Dmitry Medvedev on Thursday, who warned those countries wishing to see Moscow defeated in Ukraine that nuclear powers such as Russia had "never lost a major conflict on which their fate depended." Should such a nation lose a conventional war, it could trigger a nuclear conflict, he added.

Earlier this month, the head of the Russian Church appealed to both Moscow and Kiev's forces to establish a truce in the run-up to and during Orthodox Christmas on January 7 to give the faithful a chance to attend religious services.

Hours later, the proposal was supported by Russian President Vladimir Putin, who ordered Moscow's troops to stand down for 36 hours. The ceasefire, however, was rejected by Kiev, with Ukrainian officials dismissing the offer as "hypocrisy" and a military ruse.


https://www.sott.net/article/476458-...d-of-the-world

[Vicus]

[Vicus]

This is a "must read" for all USA citizens:

Washington Has Resurrected the Threat of Nuclear Armageddon
Paul Craig Roberts

As a participant in the 20th century Cold War, I can tell you that the Cuban Missile Crisis had the effect of convincing the leaders of the US and the USSR that trust had to be created between the two nuclear superpowers in order resolve differences and prevent a reoccurrence of tensions at the level of the Cuban Missile Crisis.

President John F. Kennedy and Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev worked together independently of their military/security bureaucracies to resolve the issue. Both paid a price. President Kennedy was murdered by the CIA and Joint Chiefs of Staff who were determined not to lose the Soviet enemy that justified their power and budgets. Khrushchev was removed from power by Communist Party hardliners suspicious of accommodation to the capitalist enemy.

After President Johnson destroyed himself in the military/security complex’s Vietnam War, President Nixon renewed the tension reducing policy of President Kennedy. The Strategic Arms Limitations Talks (SALT) and arms limitations agreements followed. President Nixon topped them off by opening to China and replacing that tense relationship with the “one China” policy. This was again too much for the US military/security complex, and they orchestrated with the Washington Post the “Watergate” scandal to remove him from office.

President Carter tried to continue building bridges. He signed the SALT II agreement that Nixon had initiated, but Carter had his hands full with Israel and Palestine. The situation awaited President Reagan to bring about the end of the Cold War.

President Reagan was a cold warrior who wanted to end it. He hated what he called “those godawful nuclear weapons.” He thought it was terrible that the world continued to live under the threat that they might be used.

The Reagan/Gorbachev rapprochement held together in the George H.W. Bush administration. President Bush (senior) and Secretary of State James Baker promised Gorbachev that there would be no movement of NATO east if he agreed to the reunification of Germany.

[B]The point of this brief history is to contrast the efforts of American presidents to reduce tensions during the 20th century Cold War with Washington’s efforts in the 21st century to undo this accomplishment and to elevate tensions to their current high peak.



continue: https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/202...ar-armageddon/

[Mashika]

Another one that goes ignored



I think that some people are truly dark inside and outside, when they chose to ignore this reality because it doesn't align with their stupid political narrow views. How can someone chose to ignore the suffering of thousands because they don't want to accept this is happening, as it puts their imbecile government leaders into a bad light?

How rotten can your soul be, that you choose to put first the image of some imbecile over the life of people?

Sometimes i lose all hope, and then the entire world turns very grey for me, i can feel it all like that, sad, draining, heavy and dense, like a fog invading everything and sucking away all the happiness in this world. It sucks

Here, these people died for nothing, they went there just to die, and then get frozen and thrown away on the side of the road like animals after a road kill inccident

But the money matters more. They are also left there to rot away so the government can claim them as "missing" but not declare them as KIA, so they don't have to ever pay their families the pension for their killed parents, husbands and childs



Stupid ignorant people supporting this, and claiming it is for freedom and democracy. Stupid people, getting resentful that this is exposed, instead of getting angry that it is happening. Rather they see it hidden away so their idiotic minds are at peace, than face reality and take action.

"It's ok to ignore it as long as i don't have to feel bad, hide it away, it's far away and i don't know any of them so why should i care"

[Mashika]

I would like to invite all the foolish people who think this is not happening over here, to come and see

But i know they won't, they have fear, they like to have a 'high frequency' life at the cost of ignoring the suffering of others, this is something i find ignorant, foolish and hypocrytical

Lame weak fools, working hard to hide the truth, but unable to go and face it? Hiding the truth will not work forever, and once the truth is displayed to the world, you are going to go and hide below your bed. And probably delete all your nazi supporting stupid media posts you made all along, and then pretend you never supported this misery and suffering and keep going with your lame hypocritical "high frequency" life

Today, i resent a lot, i feel this darkness, and i go back to the monster. Foolish people have no clue how this works, they have no idea but they always have an opinion for sure

[Mashika]

Here's a good example of how 'come and see' works, just go and see, it's not that hard, if you are not afraid of possibly getting killed. Go and check it out for yourself and then you won't have a reason to believe or be lead by anything other people told you. Because you have seen for yourself. then the lie gets weaker and preposterous by the minute. Until you laugh at the audacity of those ridiculous 'journalists' writing about 'the reality' from home 10,000 kilometers away. It also causes you to feel offended and much more, but there's no other way so it's a price that has to be paid

A first-hand account of the situation in Donbass in 2014

The reporter from the US Miguel Francis Santiago went to Donetsk in 2014, where a bloody conflict was already in full swing. With contradictory information coming from the region, witnessing the situation first-hand was the only way to find out what was really happening there. Watch the video for more.

[Mashika]

Today we do live in stupid, but also interesting times

The nazification of the west through manipulation and cultural narratives is in full effect
Millions of people are willfully ignorant, and when presented with the evidence they turn their sight away and pretend they did not see it
As in the Matrix movie, anyone can potentially be an agent, they will do whatever it needs to be done to protect their fragile reality

WW 2 never ended, as i said before somewhere else. It seemed like it ended for the western public, but we are still fighting the front line here, it never stopped

The reason you are told lies about the reality in Donbass is because your government most likely belongs to the Nazi side, they just restarted the campaign after some years of regrouping

Look at this and understand that's the reality of our current world

https://kyivindependent.com/tech/met...book-instagram

Meta: Azov Regiment no longer meets criteria for dangerous organization on Facebook, Instagram

U.S. tech giant Meta, the owner of Facebook, Instagram, and WhatsApp, no longer designates Ukraine’s Azov Regiment as a “dangerous organization.”

This means that Azov Regiment members will be allowed to have accounts on Meta platforms, while content posted by other users about Azov Regiment will no longer be removed, Meta’s spokesperson told the Kyiv Independent in an emailed statement.

Ukraine has been negotiating with Meta for a long time to convince the company to allow publishing content about the Azov Regiment and its members.

As a cultural thing, let's lower the bar so that this kind of Nazism is acceptable and normalized, then no one will question it. If the bar was too high and Azov could not be allowed in, don't change the Azov, just lower the bar. The perception of people around this event will normalize it, and it will integrate into your culture very fast

"If it's bad, then it would not be allowed by our government, correct? It is allowed, therefore this is not bad"

There are hundreds of millions of people so invested into this reality, so afraid of losing their comfort, and so dependent on being socially accepted, that they will do all it takes to remain inside this bubble. Social conditioning works and people have been educated to feel the pressure and make it impossible to escape. Their entire lives depend/work on/within it

Cancel culture is very powerful, no one wants to be on the bad side of that, and risk losing everything, including their jobs. People are already past the returning point because of that

It's so perfectly obvious

[Mashika]

Light, completely unrelated and offtopic post, just because i want to send the monster to sleep right now, please excuse my "temper tantrum", i'll go sleep now

[Mashika]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=DvXToSpOe_U