The Raw Primal Diet vs Vegetarianism

[Mu2143]

O btw it does not come from a ego-mind based !!

[9eagle9]

Forgive me for not responding to your post its so full of opposing core beliefs grinding against each other that I have no means to do so.

[Mu2143]

First of all you try to twist the meaning of me explaining how thing work so that I look like I was trying to look superior to another and it was a ego based belief system! --->

As far as the Saintly diet vs the Draconian diet...if this is a holographic universe and illusionary in nature, then the concept of one diet being more godly and the other being more reptilian is another illusionary concept probably ego-mind based to give those who are scrambling for an identity a sense of superiority over those who realize that its not food that is the issue, its our belief systems attached to it. We are projecting our belief systems to create reality. With the ego mind. Our ego mind can praise or punish us. I hardly think altering ones diet is going to alter their Higher Self. It basically percieves such things as being meaningless.

when I was just trying to explain how thing work including a link that explains it in hole other way .

And now you come with this ???

Forgive me for not responding to your post its so full of opposing core beliefs grinding against each other that I have no means to do so.

and no further explaining what conflicting beliefs your talking about since I have none.

[Jayke]

A pestersome illusionary reality lol you just haven't joined the party yet, it's my belief that we're here to have fun, grow, evolve, create, play...if eating a diet that optimises the functioning of the body and mind allows us to achieve that more efficiently then there's nothing wrong with dedicating plenty of time to figuring out what that diet is, it's been done in the past by greater minds than ours, there are ancient scholars, spiritual masters, mathematicians that unlocked the mysteries of food and used it to create sacred meals called pulse that were used to quicken their spiritual evolution

It was anciently believed that applying sacred geometry to the amounts and choices of foods could 'unlock the mysteries' of all truths, in doing so they could learn to apply 'truest truth' in their lives bringing themselves in relationship to the whole of existance.
Pythagoras would initiate people into his school by first making them fast for fourty days and forty nights on nothing but fresh air, pure water and sunlight...should they succeed in this challenge he would welcome them into his academy and offer them a sacred meal called 'pulse phi - the meal of Hercules'.

Food has a fascinating history among the enlightened mystics of antiquity, they proposed that the living maths, sacred geometry found in food (you can clearly see the star of David on blueberries for example) would enhance life in all aspects. meals combined with the correct phi ratio were literally a mathematical formulae meant to improve health and cognitive intuition, designed to target the mind, the emotions, the physical body, personality and character for greater social interaction and ones ability to earn trust.

In my opinion the food we eat is directly related to the capacity of ones spirit, it may not matter once we leave this mortal coil but while we're here it's of paramount importance...food can be used to enhance or enslave, I choose to enhance it by paying close attention to exactly what i'm putting into this light body we all temporarily live in...the illusion is no fun if the body is falling apart right

Much love

[Mu2143]

A pestersome illusionary reality lol you just haven't joined the party yet,

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[Arrowwind]

Posted by Rayne T. (here)

Posted by Arrowwind (here)
I think you take great risk eating raw meat these days. Perhaps not 40 years ago, unless it comes from a good clean organic farm. Did you see Katie Couric's report (cbs news) on her investigation to the Iowa and Illinois cattle ranches? The feed lots are loaded with MRSA, as well as many of the workers there. They will never be able to clean them out in my opinion, they need to be shut down.

Having delt with MRSA in many a patient I am extremely cautious. It is now an epidemic in the USA and most of it is coming from the community, and meat is a source... It is why the packing industry has taken to irradiating meat... another reason to say away from factory meat...



Get yourself a freezer. Arrange for a local farmer to raise a head for you antibiotic and vaccine free fed on grass only. Find someone to split it with. Choose a reputable and clean butcher. It is the best that anyone can do these days and it gives a powerful message to the farmer.

Be careful. I wish you well

Well, you may want to read the book. As far as a freezer, all but 25% of the proteins are destroyed in frozen meat. Something else you might not know - bacteria mutates and grows out of safe ranges only on cooked, frozen, and processed meats. Bacteria only feed on dead and diseased tissues and never on live tissue, and are not the problem. The problem is caused by the toxins that create dead and diseased tissues.

Love and Light,
Rayne

So I would like to ask where do you purchase your meat? How do you certify that it is fresh and not from a death feed lot? and for how long do you store it?How do you certify that it is not treated with antibiotics? If you are purchasing organic meat how old is it before you eat it? are you raising your own meat and butchering?

[9eagle9]

Offer one's higher self a banana cream pie and see what sort of reaction one gets. Let me know how that works out for you.

If you're not offered an opinion from your higher self cut and paste another from the internet.

[Jayke]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Offer one's higher self a banana cream pie and see what sort of reaction one gets. Let me know how that works out for you.

If you're not offered an opinion from your higher self cut and paste another from the internet.

Banana...GOOOOD!
Cream...GOOOOD!
Pie...no thankyou, pastry doesn't sit well with me

[DianeKJ]

This is very interesting and I appreciate hearing everyone's opinions, and in kind manners no less

I am reading it all and many interesting points have been brought to the surface for my consideration, even though I'm a vegetarian, and will remain so. In light of that though, I do believe for me that I need to reconsider how much and what types of grains I am eating- as I believe it is an issue for me. I've decided to cut out most grains, (aside from quinoa) and all sugar and dairy for a bit to see how I feel. I've come to realize that I have gotten somewhat lazy about what I am consuming. Organic sugar is still sugar and I believe that is a huge problem for me.

Thank you for this thread and all the great information it has provided me.
-Di

[Rayne T.]

Posted by modwiz (here)
I believe we humans always have the opportunity to turn any activity into a sacred one and that our five senses provide five easy sensual paths.

I like what the teacher Jesus( I'll use that name knowing there are other variations) said about diet, (paraphrasing) "It is more important what comes out of a person (words, actions) than what goes in"(diet).

I like to think the Creator knows what is best for a form. Wanting to know more about my proper diet is as easy as looking in my mouth at the kind of teeth that are in there. Dentition, in a word.

If confused I can look into the mouths or at the skulls of other creatures of known dietary types, (carnivores, omnivores, herbivores, insectivores and primates.)

My relatively flat molars are different from the grass eaters. They are very different from the scissors-like ones of carnivore/omnivores. Almost any mouth can deal with insects.

My molars excel at turning nuts into butter and fruit into sauces. Nice big leafy greens with their stalks are well chewed with our ability to move our jaws side to side.

Like Karelia, I would be very hard pressed to make flesh a part of my diet. Hunted or harvested, (netted fish, no trawlers) wild meats could find their way into my diet but, I might not thrive and choose her 'cast off the body' mindset.

Having said that I will end by referring back to what Jesus said.

Hi! I love everything the teacher called Jesus said, and I quote him often in my website. I agree, it is what comes out of our mouths that corrupts us, and this is why I said in my original post that the first thing I discovered on my path toward healing was that my sicknesses were caused on the spiritual level. Then I described how when we have had a spiritual sickness for long, it goes physical, "as above, so below". That can sometimes require that we take physical steps to correct those problems. Maybe my faith wasn't large enough - that is a huge possibility. So, in that case, a physical approach was necessary.

I think the majority of people have spiritual ailments that have gone physical and might need to take physical action in their recovery.

I believe that a "Master" could eat poison, and transmute it to healthy food, and I would like to attain that level someday. For now, I am not there.

But we are kind of talking apples and oranges here because Jesus wasn't referring to any particular diet. He was talking, I believe, about food sacrificed to idols. He told his followers not to feel guilty for eating something that someone else put some kind of crazy belief upon.

Fruits are primarily cleansers. They detoxify, and hydrate us, provide sugars, and enzymes. Too much sweet fruit causes people to be overly emotional and also causes tooth decay. I eat fruit, but in moderation. No more than 1 piece per day. I had some tooth and gum problems when I was a vegetarian that healed when I began eating raw meat and raw fats.

I see what you are saying about the teeth, however, none of us on the primal diet have any trouble chewing raw fish and meat. It is easier to chew than many nuts, seeds, etc. We don't have fangs for ripping into and killing a running animal. We don't need them because the creator gave us hands that can use tools to bring down an animal. We can build traps, shoot an arrow, etc.

As for nuts, I will quote Aajonus V. here because he can explain it better than I - "Even if raw, nuts and seeds are indigestible in the human system because they contain phytic acid that prevents proper protein digestion and absorption. Most people can digest only 1 cup per week if they eat them in combination with raw fat and unheated honey. That combination neutralizes phytic acid." Even so, nuts and seeds if eaten in this combination too often will cause neurological detoxification and sleep disturbances.

I know this to be true especially for me. I cannot handle any nuts at all without getting an upset stomach. Also keep in mind that most disease begins in the digestive tract, and physical symptoms caused by an inability to digest something may appear anywhere in the body. So, if you say to me that you can can digest a pound of nuts per day, I will ask you if you have any physical ailments at all. Do you have signs of aging? My signs of aging began to reverse after beginning the raw Primal diet involving raw meat and raw fat.

So, on your diet of fruit and nuts, first my teeth would fall out, then I would die from malnutrition caused by the inability to digest all of the nuts and seeds I would have to eat to get enough calories!

Leafy greens are good when you desire them, but my Creator didn't make me happy to eat leafy greens all the time.

The cool thing about the Primal diet is that you can trust your bodies cravings. When it craves dairy, it wants it raw. When it craves meat, it really wants it raw. When it craves sugar, it wants raw fruit. Processed, and cooked foods are a cruel trick to play on the body. The taste buds are satisfied yet the nutritional needs are not. This is why the foods that people crave the most, make them ill- they are satisfying the cravings with food imposters!

Look into more than just our teeth when you are trying to see what the Creator meant for us to eat. He gave us our tastes and desires so that our body can tell us what it needs.

Also look at what is the easiest for us to provide for ourselves. Our creator didn't intend for us to struggle, and labor to provide food. The story of Cain and Abel might be trying to tell us this as well.

Having a small free range happy herd and some chickens and bees easily supplies food for a family or tribe. We can easily grow a nice amount of other fruits and veggies, and eat those IN SEASON. Eating local and in season is very important for health.

Meat is a very nutrient dense food that supplies nearly every vitamin and mineral we need. When eaten raw it digests quickly and easily - in even the most debilitated people. Raw eggs are like this too - even easier to digest.

Also keep in mind that ALL of the information out there from "authorities" who say that meat and fat are bad for you, are basing all of their information on studies involving ONLY COOKED meats and fats. In the body, raw meat and cooked meat, raw fat and cooked fat, are as different as night and day.

Love and Light,
Rayne

[Jayke]

would eating insects be as beneficial as eating meat, just looking at the diet of gorillas and other primates and they mostly eat leaves, fruit and bugs...since they have the most similar DNA to us out of the entire animal kingdom it would be feasible that bugs would benefit us alot as well since gorillas and things have the one of the highest power to weight ratio of all animals

[Jayke]

Rayne T has been sharing experiences on the raw primal diet vs vegetarianism thread it seems similar to the paleolithic diet so could be of interest to you

[Rayne T.]

Posted by Jayke (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Offer one's higher self a banana cream pie and see what sort of reaction one gets. Let me know how that works out for you.

If you're not offered an opinion from your higher self cut and paste another from the internet.

Banana...GOOOOD!
Cream...GOOOOD!
Pie...no thankyou, pastry doesn't sit well with me

Ha Ha! This is exactly what I just pointed out in a previous post. We CAN TRUST our bodies cravings IF we supply it raw. When you crave a banana cream pie, your body really wants a banana, and some raw cream. Raw fruit eaten with raw fat is a wonderful combination for the body. That's why we crave foods like strawberries and cream, or strawberry short cake, or fruity milk shakes, etc.

Love and Light,
Rayne

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Posted by Jayke (here)
would eating insects be as beneficial as eating meat, just looking at the diet of gorillas and other primates and they mostly eat leaves, fruit and bugs...since they have the most similar DNA to us out of the entire animal kingdom it would be feasible that bugs would benefit us alot as well since gorillas and things have the one of the highest power to weight ratio of all animals

There is a simple answer to that Jayke - do you crave bugs?????? I don't, lol and I'm not about to pursue that unless I am starving. I will say that there is a lady that lives out here near me in the AZ high desert who ate nothing but bugs for a year as an experiment, and thrived!

Love and Light, Rayne

[Arrowwind]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
The human alimentary tract most resembles that of a rat or pig. Scavengers. At that is what we were early in our history before we learned agriculture. Not very flattering I know.....

As far as the Saintly diet vs the Draconian diet...if this is a holographic universe and illusionary in nature, then the concept of one diet being more godly and the other being more reptilian is another illusionary concept probably ego-mind based to give those who are scrambling for an identity a sense of superiority over those who realize that its not food that is the issue, its our belief systems attached to it. We are projecting our belief systems to create reality. With the ego mind. Our ego mind can praise or punish us. I hardly think altering ones diet is going to alter their Higher Self. It basically percieves such things as being meaningless.

Once I stopped attaching guilt to everythign I put in my mouth, my food stopped punishing me and I stopped expecting my ass to expand everytime I ate. So it did. I was creating those conditions based on beliefs imposed on me. I had a lot of artifically imposed negative false values imposed on my southern belle family who were very much into the Gone With the Wind diet: Eating is unfeminine. Don't be seen eating in public, and anything expressed on your plate must be dainty, and don't finish your portions so every one will see how dainty you are.

Those who believe that our food affects us on a core spiritual level have bought into just another matrix game. I can't recall a single philosophy or religion that doesn't state that things of the material world have little importance. That includes food. How we allow us to effect us is a different matter. Yes our food challenges are illusionary but until we reach that threshold they are very real to us. Food does carry energetic values to it. I'd rather consume a deer that has had a happy wild deer life than a cow that has had miserable conditions imposed on it but there that to is an illusion that I hope to rise above some day.

The whole food issue is a matrix game, and I know that once I work more and more on the illusions I've bought, into the less issue food will become.

But in the meantime we can have a comfortable illusion life or we can have a miserable one. Until we reach that threshold I suggest people do what makes them most comfortable. Our spiritual journeys don't have to be made more onerous than they already are by buying into beliefs that have no meaning to the spirit in the first place. No of course spirit doesnt' eat meat. It doesn't eat anything Godly or Draconian or anything in between.

It's much easier to reach that threshold of seeing beyond illusions if the vessel we've projected around ourselves isn't in pain. Maybe we will all be able to reach that place where our bodies are no longer affected by the illusions but until that time its probably better that we focus on what we are dealing with now, rather than creating more beliefs around that which is already a pestersome illusionary reality.

Universal Law

Death gives life
Life gives rebirth
Rebirth gives movement
Movement gives change
Change gives chaos, is invevitable and leads to death
Chaos gives death
Death gives Life

[Arrowwind]

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Posted by modwiz (here)
IAlso keep in mind that ALL of the information out there from "authorities" who say that meat and fat are bad for you, are basing all of their information on studies involving ONLY COOKED meats and fats. In the body, raw meat and cooked meat, raw fat and cooked fat, are as different as night and day.

Love and Light,
Rayne

But if you look at the studies of Drs Eades, authors of "Protien Power" you will see that even cooked meat in the right balance with veggies, without carbs leads to a greatly improved health for many.

[Jayke]

Posted by Rayne T. (here)
There is a simple answer to that Jayke - do you crave bugs?????? I don't, lol and I'm not about to pursue that unless I am starving. I will say that there is a lady that lives out here near me in the AZ high desert who ate nothing but bugs for a year as an experiment, and thrived!

Love and Light, Rayne

Lol I'm sure i could develop a taste for em if the situation arose, would thwart the rulers of the worlds plans to starve us all if we could just go into the garden and dig up a few worms lol but yeah, can't say i've had any cravings for that as of yet

[Rayne T.]

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Posted by Rayne T. (here)

Posted by modwiz (here)
IAlso keep in mind that ALL of the information out there from "authorities" who say that meat and fat are bad for you, are basing all of their information on studies involving ONLY COOKED meats and fats. In the body, raw meat and cooked meat, raw fat and cooked fat, are as different as night and day.

Love and Light,
Rayne

But if you look at the studies of Drs Eades, authors of "Protien Power" you will see that even cooked meat in the right balance with veggies, without carbs leads to a greatly improved health for many.

From my personal experience - I was dying and I couldn't digest anything without getting a severe reaction. Cooked meats were the end for me but not nearly as bad of an effect as cooked vegetables and grains - so there is something there. When I began eating raw meat, that changed everything for me. My body took it well, and began to heal.

Many others with "incurable" diseases have this same experience when they begin eating raw meat. There is a reason for this and to me it's saying that raw meat is far more nutritious and easy on the body than cooked meat. Besides for the destroyed proteins, the cooked fat in the cooked meat is very harmful. I wish everyone could read "We Want To Live", and then discuss this. My fingers are falling off, lol.

Love and Light, Rayne

[Mu2143]

This is very interesting and I appreciate hearing everyone's opinions, and in kind manners no less

I am reading it all and many interesting points have been brought to the surface for my consideration, even though I'm a vegetarian, and will remain so. In light of that though, I do believe for me that I need to reconsider how much and what types of grains I am eating- as I believe it is an issue for me. I've decided to cut out most grains, (aside from quinoa) and all sugar and dairy for a bit to see how I feel. I've come to realize that I have gotten somewhat lazy about what I am consuming. Organic sugar is still sugar and I believe that is a huge problem for me.

Thank you for this thread and all the great information it has provided me.
-Di

I don't have any grains in my diet, only recently ate some bread with cheese that's it. Thing that are processed and heated have no spiritual life in it any more, this is what you can say traumatised food when you consume it will effect you.
I do not consume any sugar only fruits/veggies that contains it, so no added sugar. Do you have Himalayan crystal salt in your diet , because most people miss minerals they never had in there lives(so you will get sick eventually.
In case of mine it helped me off sugar addiction long ago, I no longer wanted sweet thing that where processed.

[Fredkc]

Personally, after trying several disciplines, I have been following a very strict regimen for 3 decades.

I eat anything that doesn't eat me, first.

(in moderation, of course)
Fred

[Rayne T.]

I would like to ask a question to all of you who say that killing an animal for food isn't spiritual. Why do you say this, and why do you feel it is wrong to kill an animal for food? The creator made the animals to kill and eat each other, and put us here with and as part of them. Many native tribes were very spiritual yet they killed and ate. They gave thanks to the Creator and to the animal for their food. My Creator gave me this Primal diet to save my life. I would have died. Would I have been more spiritual to have died instead? I don't think so.

Love and Light, Rayne