The Raw Primal Diet vs Vegetarianism

[Mu2143]

btw
For making my food I use a blender and a juicer it very use full to transform your diet to a healthier diet!

[Rayne T.]

Posted by Mu2143 (here)

This is very interesting and I appreciate hearing everyone's opinions, and in kind manners no less

I am reading it all and many interesting points have been brought to the surface for my consideration, even though I'm a vegetarian, and will remain so. In light of that though, I do believe for me that I need to reconsider how much and what types of grains I am eating- as I believe it is an issue for me. I've decided to cut out most grains, (aside from quinoa) and all sugar and dairy for a bit to see how I feel. I've come to realize that I have gotten somewhat lazy about what I am consuming. Organic sugar is still sugar and I believe that is a huge problem for me.

Thank you for this thread and all the great information it has provided me.
-Di

I don't have any grains in my diet, only recently ate some bread with cheese that's it. Thing that are processed and heated have no spiritual life in it any more, this is what you can say traumatised food when you consume it will effect you.
I do not consume any sugar only fruits/veggies that contains it, so no added sugar. Do you have Himalayan crystal salt in your diet , because most people miss minerals they never had in there lives(so you will get sick eventually.
In case of mine it helped me off sugar addiction long ago, I no longer wanted sweet thing that where processed.

I use Himala Salt lightly - it's the best!

[conk]

Very good information in this thread! Thank you all.

I've read the books referenced by the OP and they are quite intriguing. Very interesting. I've been trying to embrace this raw diet for some time. I wish it were easier to find more varied raw foods, like butter and milk for example. I dehydrate wild venison at a very low temperature, as to keep it essentially raw. I'm going to start marinating some of my grass fed meats overnight. This will 'cook' them and make them more palatable. Ground up, it is easier to eat with some kind of sauce.

Many vegetarians experience what's been termed "failure to thrive". Some nutrients are found only in animal products.

One more important point to make. Our older dogs experienced profound improvement in their health after we started them on 100% raw diets. Raw, grass-fed meats, with a sprinkling of green plant material. Wild animals eat vegetation when they eat the intestines of the prey.

[Shelltower]

I have been a vegetarian since I was 17 , maintaining the same weight ...fasting periodically to detox...I am seeing first hand what the food supply is doing to peoples bodies....they are blowing up like balloons....whether you are a meat eater or a vegetarian...you have to just listen to your body about what it needs....I am not type A about it either...lately i have been eating the fat off what is being cooked by the rest of my family and it tastes good!!! WHo cares really....just listen at that moment and ask yourself if its good for you, then eat it....be your own kinesthesiologist...your own dowsing instrument.....just stay away from the artifial sweeteners and high fructose corn syrup....
EAT TO LIVE, DONT LIVE TO EAT

[Jayke]

unrefined sea salt is vital for proper functioning of the human body, so vital in fact that the romans used to pay their soldiers in salt hence the expression "worth ones salt"
the body needs salt to break down the carbohydrates in vegetables and regulate different processes in the body. The water to salt ratio outside of the cells is the same as the water to salt ratio of the ocean, we didn't evolve out of the ocean, we just took it with us...salt is key to living a healthy vegetarian lifestyle IMO

[Arrowwind]

Posted by Rayne T. (here)
I would like to ask a question to all of you who say that killing an animal for food isn't spiritual. Why do you say this, and why do you feel it is wrong to kill an animal for food? The creator made the animals to kill and eat each other, and put us here with and as part of them. Many native tribes were very spiritual yet they killed and ate. They gave thanks to the Creator and to the animal for their food. My Creator gave me this Primal diet to save my life. I would have died. Would I have been more spiritual to have died instead? I don't think so.

Love and Light, Rayne

again the Universal Laws

Death gives life
Life gives rebirth
Rebirth gives movement
Movement gives change
Change gives chaos, is invevitable and leads to death
Chaos gives death
Death gives Life

so I see nothing in error regarding spirit
in your choices.

I think you did exactly what you needed to do
though following gut instinct.
There are many ways to heal
as well as many types of poisons in foods these days.
Trying to sort it all out is a tremendous work

The human body is also tremendously resiliant
and will heal if give correct attention but
what is correct for one person is not necessarily correct
for another.

Aside from significant emotional imbalances
and self degragation
the largest challenges for most people
at least in the US are nutrient starvation
the presence of chemicals in their food and water
the excess use of heavy denatured carb meals
and the use of legal and illegal drugs (generally excluded marijuana)

A diet change can fix most of it
as well as altering an erronous belief system
that is causing disease
You obviously picked a diet change that worked for you.

[Peace of Mind]

Well, speaking from my experience and a few others close to me… I/we have never been better physically as well as mentally once we stopped consuming death. I sleep a lot less (about 4 to 5 hours daily) and have plenty of energy to do all the average everyday deeds. It’s been over a decade since I’ve killed anything or eating something that clearly shows me it doesn’t want to be eating. IMO, when you live off of the Land/Earth, you are taking what mother Earth has provided for you. Meat is the flesh of animals (like you). It is not a necessity; it’s a con to keep your frequency low. Eating death/animal flesh becomes you…and your environment…due to the mentality cultivated by negative consumption. You might not see this as being wrong simply because of conditioning; you’re use to the craving and taste. You are what you eat…

Logically, digesting negative energy can’t be good…
We can live without it, we can easily substitute it. We are intelligent creatures who can make that choice (unlike other Earthly inhabitants). We are being tested daily in every way. It will be our commitments to pro-life, our decisions on how we co-exist with all other sentient beings that will be very important. Would you like it if some creature ate your child and/or your parents, how will that make you feel? I strongly believe the planet has been rapped of most of its vegetation (on land and in sea). This was probably done on purpose or thru a catastrophic event…causing famine and a taste for blood/flesh for all Earthly creatures. Maybe this is one of the reasons why some think we are in the last days…our way of living is not living…its hypocrisy.

Peace

[9eagle9]

I'm glad to hear that plants don't die when we consume them. No risk of consuming death there.

I always wondered who drew the moral line in the sand that killing a plant was okay cause I'm begining to surmise that plants don't have to experience death in order for us to consume them. No risk of composing a death energy there but killing an animal is an act of moral terpitude.You kill a plant and eat it its okay. But kill an animal and eat it and we are consuming death. Sounds like human kind had a hand in writing what appears to be yet another set of counter conflicting beliefs. I'm sure whomever made this rather bizarre opposing values statement will revert unwittingly to the 'death is only an illusion' statement later on down the road. Apparently death is only illusionary when we aren't eating. Stick something in your mouth and all universal laws and precepts are suspended for a while.


Are we POSITIVE that the plants we consume were harvested in morally conscious way? Positive that the apples and oranges that we eat, their trees didn't displace some natural occurring plant life? Or animal life? That our wheat fields didn't crowd out packs of pre existing animals that eventually died off because their natural habitat was taken over by organic growers. Are we positive that any food source vegan or meat has been handled in a precisely morally and spiritually correct way as it makes it way from source to mouth. I doubt it. Death occurs over and over to get that plant in your mouth before that plant actually dies. There's no way to avoid killing something be it an animal or a plant to sustain us. Most people who have hysterics over the killing of trees are typically living in a home that's major composition is a tree.

I'd be very very careful of attaching judgments to what people are eating for that reason. The harvesting of many of the plants we eat have caused death somewhere down the road. The harvesting of morally correct plants for human consumption may very well be taking it out of the mouth of animal that depends on it. If one is compelled to do it for physical health then by all means....but attaching moral and spiritual values on food is self serving. The only person it serves is one's self.

[Mu2143]

Death gives life
Life gives rebirth
Rebirth gives movement
Movement gives change
Change gives chaos, is invevitable and leads to death
Chaos gives death
Death gives Life

This is not Universal law, this is the law of the Masters of chaos or the PTB.

[Arrowwind]

Posted by Mu2143 (here)

Death gives life
Life gives rebirth
Rebirth gives movement
Movement gives change
Change gives chaos, is invevitable and leads to death
Chaos gives death
Death gives Life

This is not Universal law, this is the law of the Masters of chaos or the PTB.

Such is your opinion, but I see it written in nature.

[Mu2143]

Re: The Raw Primal Diet vs Vegetarianism

Quote Originally Posted by Mu2143 View Post
Death gives life
Life gives rebirth
Rebirth gives movement
Movement gives change
Change gives chaos, is invevitable and leads to death
Chaos gives death
Death gives Life

This is not Universal law, this is the law of the Masters of chaos or the PTB.

Such is your opinion, but I see it written in nature.

Is it??? or do I see a relation between your belief system for what is happening in the Middle East !

[9eagle9]

Rayne said: But we are kind of talking apples and oranges here because Jesus wasn't referring to any particular diet. He was talking, I believe, about food sacrificed to idols. He told his followers not to feel guilty for eating something that someone else put some kind of crazy belief on.

Precisely. Putting moral judgments on food for spiritual reasons is idolatry.

[HORIZONS]

Posted by thewebkid (here)
I have a very high nutrition/mostly raw diet, but I would never give the full details, because I think the only diet that works for EVERYONE is the following:

• Intend well being for yourself and others
• Intend deeply to connect to your deepest truth - especially the needs of your body
• Follow this intention into nutritional studies/practices that flow well personally for you - knowing that changes will be awkward or uncomfortable at first

You may not gain access to certain nutritional clubs, but you will come away with a profound sense of self love, trust, confidence, INTUITION, and a happy springy body because you developed a relationship with IT and not a vicarious relationship with trusting someone else to provide the dietary semantics. I cull my food intake regime from a number of sources coupled with my own inner guidance.

Plus your body's needs will shift over time and you will have the sense of how to adjust diet according to your own circumstances.

Great Post - double thanks for saying so!!!

[Jayke]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
The only person it serves is one's self.

And which part of ones self might that be?

personally i think it's fine to be completely self centered, being centered in ones self is an admirable quality, especially if that self happens to be ones highest self

If that makes any sense

[Mu2143]

Rayne said: But we are kind of talking apples and oranges here because Jesus wasn't referring to any particular diet. He was talking, I believe, about food sacrificed to idols. He told his followers not to feel guilty for eating something that someone else put some kind of crazy belief on.

Precisely. Putting moral judgments on food for spiritual reasons is idolatry.

You mean when I have no food and almost dying form hunger and I have a gun and see you, I blow you brains out so I can eat you raw and call it a spiritual diet and feeling not guilty for eating something that someone else put some kind of crazy belief on which this is <---

[9eagle9]

Usually the ego self. The higher self doesn't put that sort of attachments on things.

I completely understand what you mean about SELF centered. I try to remain SELF-centered (and sometimes fail) rather than self-centered. If you know what I mean. SELF (big self) self (lower self)

[Muzz]

Thanks Jayke just seen it. Mods if your readin no point havin this one as well sorry to cause you work.

[9eagle9]

How about when strangle you for breathing and wasting the air which is a precious resource given off by my precious plant life. After all I can't blot you out of existence I'm only changing the circumstances of your existence from a physical one to one that is not. In fact I'd be doing you a favor by untethering you from the miseries of the material world and sending you on to a better existence.

And my ego will justify me strangling you to death in the same irrational way that you have just justified blowing my head off.

And then I'd go off and brag about how killing with my primal bare hands is more...uhm....primal than some sissy gun that only weak simpering cowards would use because they were afraid of getting close to death and have to do it from a safe distance.

Yeah..

That's what my ego would do.

In actuality the only difference here is that I would KNOW that I'm acting from an ego place...





You mean when I have no food and almost dying form hunger and I have a gun and see you, I blow you brains out so I can eat you raw and call it a spiritual diet and feeling not guilty for eating something that someone else put some kind of crazy belief on which this is.

[Peace of Mind]

When a plant/apple or orange screams in pain I will gladly reconsider. When it tries to run away from me…I will reconsider. When its nutrients clearly show my body that it’s not for me…I will reconsider….just like I did for the sentient beings that clearly showed me exactly how it feels. Plants/Earth has an exchange contract with Animals, give and take. Carbon for oxygen, our waste for food. Vegetation has been here longer than man, its part of the Earth, if it had a problem with us eating it…it would have evolve some sought of protection a long time ago…just like any other species that felt threatened. It’s not hard to tell, or see what’s going on in our times…at least for me its not…

I will gladly stop eating (I hardly eat now, btw) if what I ate didn’t want to be eating. Destroying life to sustain my own is not what I want to do. It’s not right. In fact I’m prepared to die before I start eating something that wants to live. I wonder how many are willing to do that…

Life here has great potential but it’s not all that beautiful due to the inhumane practices of man. And, I have no problem making an early exit from this place for that very reason... But, until then, I will gladly fight for those that can’t fight for themselves...

I know this place is temporary schooling and I intend on passing with flying colors…or in the least experience the beauty of all sentient beings while I still have the chance to…

Peace

[Jayke]

Posted by Mu2143 (here)
You mean when I have no food and almost dying form hunger and I have a gun and see you, I blow you brains out so I can eat you raw and call it a spiritual diet and feeling not guilty for eating something that someone else put some kind of crazy belief on which this is <---

LMAO

So where do we draw the line...

I can't eat anything that looks really cute when it's a baby, anything that makes you go 'awww' when you see em running around or stood there in a field. Lambs for example, when you see them running around together before they get their tail docked and then they all suddenly stop and stare at you, then off they go playing again. There's no way I can see that and think to myself "I'm gonna kill me one of them"...they're just too frickin cute.

small baby fish on the other hand, no emotional connection with them, I'd be happy with them on the plate...although I don't feel like i'd need to go that far as I find enough nourishment from my fruit, veg, legumes and dairy to keep me feeling spritely