I will gladly stop eating (I hardly eat now, btw) if what I ate didn’t want to be eating. Destroying life to sustain my own is not what I want to do. It’s not right. In fact I’m prepared to die before I start eating something that wants to live. I wonder how many are willing to do that
i am with you peace of mind.i am vegeterian from the age of 10.the most wonderfull thing i had done in my life! and will sign for it all over again.i am not able to consume any creature that was terrorized and were Mercilessly slaughtered (and there is no such thing as compassion way to take life).
i am a family member of a holocaust survivors and those that did not survive.my mother was hiding under a false identity in a village in belgium Among strangers who agreed to take her in exchange for money,her father was murdered by gas at the 'Auschwitz' concentration camp.4 out of 13 of my grandmother's brothers managed to survive.let me tell you,it is One of the most terrible atrocities Of the human race.
But there is one atrocity that is never ending,and that is the animals concetration camp,and trilions of them that are being slaughterd everyday,As if they were objects without a soul.i am not willing to live my life contributing to any of it.my grandfather with other milions was put to death by gas and experienced extremely difficult conditions the months prior to this.
i would not hesitate to say that cows,chicken,lambs,fish are going through the same suffering everyday,without much hope.it seems that even being an aware and compassionate person have its limits when concerning 'diets' and 'whats best for me'.
sorry if what i wrote sounds harsh,but thats one of the pains that i carry most of my life.
and if i carry it,what would THEY have to say about it,if only they could talk..
We are not the strongest link in the food chain as you well know these days,and i can not avoid reflecting if ever we will be the ones to be on the 'being conusumed' side of things and not the 'consumers'.what a lesson that will be.
i would very much recommand watching this movie (if you dare to) with open mind and heart,just as we do on any other material of camelot/avalon
p.s
plants are just as alive as animals.but animals are an aware beings and thats the whole story.
Well now if they are long dead before they are consumed I'd hazard one would not hear something like that.
While fruits remain on a tree, consciousness harvesting might offset any objections an apple has. And they object . That is why you are often times directed to pick elsewhere when using that means of harvesting. The plant will let you know what it wants to give up. ...and what it wants to reserve. Unless one is using CH you've stolen the plants ability to make the decision in the matter. Plants communicate very well...while their still living that is.
That is to say if one left it at that and explored the differences in consciousness and sentiency....and the expressions thereof sentience.
I'd suggest that plants may not have the sort of sentiency that humans have...which causes attachments to the material world.
Posted by LIMOR
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peace of mind originally wrote:
I will gladly stop eating (I hardly eat now, btw) if what I ate didn’t want to be eating. Destroying life to sustain my own is not what I want to do. It’s not right. In fact I’m prepared to die before I start eating something that wants to live. I wonder how many are willing to do that
i am with you peace of mind.i am vegeterian from the age of 10.the most wonderfull thing i had done in my life! and will sign for it all over again.i am not able to consume any creature that was terrorized and were Mercilessly slaughtered (and there is no such thing as compassion way to take life).
i am a family member of a holocaust survivors and those that did not survive.my mother was hiding under a false identity in a village in belgium Among strangers who agreed to take her in exchange for money,her father was murdered by gas at the 'Auschwitz' concentration camp.4 out of 13 of my grandmother's brothers managed to survive.let me tell you,it is One of the most terrible atrocities Of the human race.
But there is one atrocity that is never ending,and that is the animals concetration camp,and trilions of them that are being slaughterd everyday,As if they were objects without a soul.i am not willing to live my life contributing to any of it.my grandfather with other milions was put to death by gas and experienced extremely difficult conditions the months prior to this.
i would not hesitate to say that cows,chicken,lambs,fish are going through the same suffering everyday,without much hope.it seems that even being an aware and compassionate person have its limits when concerning 'diets' and 'whats best for me'.
sorry if what i wrote sounds harsh,but thats one of the pains that i carry most of my life.
and if i carry it,what would THEY have to say about it,if only they could talk..
We are not the strongest link in the food chain as you well know these days,and i can not avoid reflecting if ever we will be the ones to be on the 'being conusumed' side of things and not the 'consumers'.what a lesson that will be.
i would very much recommand watching this movie (if you dare to) with open mind and heart,just as we do on any other material of camelot/avalon
p.s
plants are just as alive as animals.but animals are an aware beings and thats the whole story.
Since 10 years old? I wish I would have started around that age or earlier. Glad to see you are still sticking with it…you saved a bunch of animals (realize it or not). I think people are starting to understand the damage human’s do to this world. We are waking up slowly but surely.
I’m sorry about the holocaust, that was some sad times. I would never want anyone to witness or go through that again.
Every night around midnight I mediate in my backyard…no matter what the weather is like. Over the last few months (maybe year) I’ve notice the curiosity in the animals back there. The stray cats circle me and sometimes brush up against my leg. A raccoon wasn’t even hesitant to sniff my legs. I remember a brown bird spending the night in my backyard. Originally I thought the bird was sick and planed to take it to a vet but I gave it a piece of Danish and left it alone…in the morning it was still there. So, I grabbed my cat carrier to put the bird inside but it flew away. I also get visits from a bright red bird. It sings the loveliest songs. Even bugs land on my lap and stare at me. In all these occurrences I talk to these species just like I talk to people. They are amazing.
I also talk to the plants in my garden along with my apple and cherry tree. My neighbor haves a hugh towering raspberry tree that always drop berries in my yard. When I speak to them they reply thru the wind and a calming vibration in the ground.
When spring comes around, I will ask them again if they mind providing sustenance for me…
I became a vegetarian only recently (stupidly enough), and I'm very glad I did. It's so dumb actually, whole your life you are pressured into eating meat, and not once you think about it; until you wake up.
I cannot imagine hurting an animal, even it was for my health.
Science, when used correctly could help with the deficiencies...
Well now if they are long dead before they are consumed I'd hazard one would not hear something like that".
eagle,that being said,it reminded me ( and i hope its o.k with you all to take a little humor break and allow me to add a little balance to my former response)
ENJOY! (sorry Rayne.t a little bit off-topic, but considering how this discussion has developed about fruits,vagetables and consciousness ...
thanks for sharing. i've also incorporated many of aajonus' teachings, though i wish raw milk and butter were a little easier to come by and a little less expensive(its an hour trip to the nearest farm authorized to sell raw, and $8 a gallon for milk). raw meat was a little tough at first, but i've learned to love a good steak tartar dish.
the spiritual aspect can be chopped up a million ways(no pun intended) but it basically comes down to this: if you're sick enough, and if you'd tried everything under the sun, and if you're dieing, you will do what must be done, whether it involves eating raw meat or concrete. i speak from experience. i should have died years ago. raw meat was one of the things that saved my life.
of course everyone is different-some will respond to vegetarianism and others to a primal diet. whatever works is best. but any judgements either way need immediate smashing. there isn't a single vegetarian on earth that would refuse meat if they were on their death bed with meat as their only salvation. and there isn't a single meat eating person on earth who wouldn't change to a vegetarian diet if they were in the same spot. anyone who says otherwise is full of sh*t.
There's a neat little group here that I scavenge from on occasion trading eggs for raw milk products. Its a group of about eight people. They all have a share in this cow..(lol..poor cow many masters..) However all they are doing is really just purchasing the cows entire milk output. Some organic farmers find this lucrative. Then the group divies up the milk and each of them do something with it. Consume as raw milk, make butter or clotted cream or cheese, kefer things of that nature and then trade products. I bust in occasional with my eggs and they barter me some stuff for eggs. Works splendidly. Visiting the farm is divided up on a rotation basis for each member so the trips out there per person are not quite so onerous. I love clotted cream and in this area this is my only good source of getting it.
Some very small dairy farm outfits will take on folks like this as they can't sell raw milk and they don't produce enough to qualify for the big league dairy distributors. We can't legally purchase raw milk so the contract is that the people are paying for the cows room, board, and food.
thanks for sharing. i've also incorporated many of aajonus' teachings, though i wish raw milk and butter were a little easier to come by and a little less expensive(its an hour trip to the nearest farm authorized to sell raw, and $8 a gallon for milk). raw meat was a little tough at first, but i've learned to love a good steak tartar dish.
the spiritual aspect can be chopped up a million ways(no pun intended) but it basically comes down to this: if you're sick enough, and if you'd tried everything under the sun, and if you're dieing, you will do what must be done, whether it involves eating raw meat or concrete. i speak from experience. i should have died years ago. raw meat was one of the things that saved my life.
of course everyone is different-some will respond to vegetarianism and others to a primal diet. whatever works is best. but any judgements either way need immediate smashing. there isn't a single vegetarian on earth that would refuse meat if they were on their death bed with meat as their only salvation. and there isn't a single meat eating person on earth who wouldn't change to a vegetarian diet if they were in the same spot. anyone who says otherwise is full of sh*t.
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Well, speaking from my experience and a few others close to me… I/we have never been better physically as well as mentally once we stopped consuming death. I sleep a lot less (about 4 to 5 hours daily) and have plenty of energy to do all the average everyday deeds. It’s been over a decade since I’ve killed anything or eating something that clearly shows me it doesn’t want to be eating. IMO, when you live off of the Land/Earth, you are taking what mother Earth has provided for you. Meat is the flesh of animals (like you). It is not a necessity; it’s a con to keep your frequency low. Eating death/animal flesh becomes you…and your environment…due to the mentality cultivated by negative consumption. You might not see this as being wrong simply because of conditioning; you’re use to the craving and taste. You are what you eat…
Logically, digesting negative energy can’t be good…
We can live without it, we can easily substitute it. We are intelligent creatures who can make that choice (unlike other Earthly inhabitants). We are being tested daily in every way. It will be our commitments to pro-life, our decisions on how we co-exist with all other sentient beings that will be very important. Would you like it if some creature ate your child and/or your parents, how will that make you feel? I strongly believe the planet has been rapped of most of its vegetation (on land and in sea). This was probably done on purpose or thru a catastrophic event…causing famine and a taste for blood/flesh for all Earthly creatures. Maybe this is one of the reasons why some think we are in the last days…our way of living is not living…its hypocrisy.
Peace
The positive health changes you experienced sounds like the same changes I experienced when I quit the vegetarian diet, and began to add raw meat and raw fat to my diet. My energy is awesome! You say that meat is not a necessity, however I would have died without it. I don't know if you read my opening post to this thread, but I explain that.
I disagree with you when you say that the other creatures on this planet aren't intelligent. They lack linear thought processes, but they are actually quite intelligent. They have "knowing" rather than collected information. This is something we need more of.
Actually I don't eat meat because of conditioning, but because of what I have experienced and learned. I was vegetarian before I changed over to the primal diet, so my conditioning was for vegetarianism.
I have a different but similar belief to yours....I believe that we are being steered toward vegetarianism because of it's detrimental health effects. Beans, grains, nuts, and seeds - the vegetarian sources of proteins are all difficult to digest and lead to debilitating disease. "They" don't care whether you are vegan or not as long as you are eating unhealthy food that will eventually destroy your mind and body. In fact, it seems obvious to me that when it comes to the abuse and pollution going on in factory farms, "they" are being quite opportunistic. Get the public clamoring to end the abuse and pollution so that they can take away an extremely healthy source of food - meat. Not saying that factory farmed meat is healthy. I am saying that they will use that to get all meat eating banned.
"I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain."
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I became a vegetarian only recently (stupidly enough), and I'm very glad I did. It's so dumb actually, whole your life you are pressured into eating meat, and not once you think about it; until you wake up.
I cannot imagine hurting an animal, even it was for my health.
Science, when used correctly could help with the deficiencies...
I mean you no disrespect, but I have to speak up here. NOOOOO!!! Science cannot make up for our nutritional deficiencies. This type of thinking is exactly what got us in the nutritional mess we are in now. All of the GMO's and harmful chemicals added to our food, and feeding us a diet that is completely unnatural. You want a nice clean world where all you have to do is eat some nice little white pill and you will be glowing with health - this will never happen, and this type of thinking is going to get us all killed.
you say you wouldn't kill an animal to save yourself? Even an animal will kill another to live. Are you less valuable than an animal.
The anti- meat eating brainwashing that is going on with younger people is very destructive. Jetsam, please read my opening post, and read "We Want To Live" by Aajonus Vonderplanitz.
"I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain."
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What I am picking up from most of you who are vegetarians is that you feel it is wrong to kill an animal because it loses it's life and, it of course wants to live just like we do. Another reason is that you see yourself as a being more highly evolved and therefore think it is your responsibility to show a "higher" behavior of not eating meat.
Another reason Im reading is that you don't want to kill something that you perceive as cute.
On the website Divine Cosmos, David Wilcock talks about a study that demonstrates that plants suffer too. Of course they can't scream, but they express it in other ways. Plants show that they are even sensitive to our thoughts about harming them. How can you suggest that because a plant is designed differently, they don't suffer? Here is a link to the study. Scroll down to where it says, "BACKSTER DEVELOPED THE NEW PROTOCOLS WITH PLANT RESEARCH" -
So, we are required to kill, cause suffering, and eat, no matter what.
If you say you don't believe in killing something with a face, or that is "cute", this has nothing to do with right or wrong. We are only projecting our own selves and opinions onto the animal. We have a face. We think they are cute. No living thing wants to die, but animals don't view killing to eat as evil - it's what they do.
For all we know, an animal that dies to feed a human may incarnate as a higher life form because of it.
What is a person to eat if we decide that it is only ok to kill things that we perceive as being less evolved like a plant?
Beans, and grains are not meant for us, and nuts and seeds can only be consumed in very small amounts without causing damage. This leaves only fruits and vegetables to eat.
Too much sweet fruit has several very negative health effects, so then we are left with mostly vegetables. This is how I tried to eat when I was a vegan, and I was starving all of the time. I found myself craving cooked beans, and grains - which trashed my digestive system every time I indulged.
There was simply nothing to eat that satisfied my taste buds and hunger. Nothing but raw veggies is very depressing. So what are we to eat?
It's been proven, and common sense confirms, that it is healthiest to eat local and in season when it comes to plants. It is the greenest approach. So what then, can a vegetarian eat in the winter except for the few winter vegetables that grow and can be stored in a root cellar? What is there to eat for a vegetarian in the winter except for beans, nuts, seeds, and grains?
Not everyone can live in a tropical climate can they? This would be best I'm sure, but is it possible.
I appreciate all of your posts and sharing your opinions and, I'm not interested in arguing at all, but in seriously finding some answers here.
I don't like killing animals any more than you do, but I see no other real option when it comes to achieving optimal health. Please read my opening post if you haven't.
I'm always hearing vegetarians talk about all of the exotic superfoods, things like gogi berries, etc that they eat. This isn't realistic for the population, and it is the masses that need to start eating in a way that is harmonious to the planet because it is their eating habits that are causing all of the pollution and animal abuse in factory farms. We need a solution for them.
It seems to me that the raw Primal diet is the answer. It can be done organic, local, and free range. People can eat more meat in the winter, and more fruits and veggies in the summer. It is grain-less, bean-less, and includes a normal amount of nuts and seeds that you'd find growing on local trees here and there. People don't need a bunch of fiber on the raw primal diet. All that fiber is only necessary when people have lots of sludge in their intestines from cooked processed foods.
The raw Primal diet uses a min amount of packaging. It's organic. And, it freaking tastes good! Raw dairy is awesome. Fresh, organic, grass fed meat is awesome! This stuff is healing and filling. Its just seems perfect.
Back when I was vegan I bought a book called "Rawsome". I was so excited for it to arrive. Then I got it and discovered that about 90 % of the recipes included gobs of nuts and seeds- of course all raw and organic. Not only did these recipes cost a small fortune, but for me they were like eating arsenic. So disappointing.
If any of you can tell me WHAT there really is to eat as a vegetarian that will supply complete digestible real muscle building nutrition please, I'd love to hear it. Please keep in mind that a body doesn't start breaking down on a poor diet until around 35 or sometimes 50 if the diet has been vegetarian, so you need to be old enough to prove your results. If you are in your 20's, it doesnt mean anything to me that you eat 10 lbs of nuts a day and are running marathons. Your body simply hasn't had time to wear out from jumping through digestive hoops trying to process everything yet.
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"I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain."
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thanks for sharing. i've also incorporated many of aajonus' teachings, though i wish raw milk and butter were a little easier to come by and a little less expensive(its an hour trip to the nearest farm authorized to sell raw, and $8 a gallon for milk). raw meat was a little tough at first, but i've learned to love a good steak tartar dish.
the spiritual aspect can be chopped up a million ways(no pun intended) but it basically comes down to this: if you're sick enough, and if you'd tried everything under the sun, and if you're dieing, you will do what must be done, whether it involves eating raw meat or concrete. i speak from experience. i should have died years ago. raw meat was one of the things that saved my life.
of course everyone is different-some will respond to vegetarianism and others to a primal diet. whatever works is best. but any judgements either way need immediate smashing. there isn't a single vegetarian on earth that would refuse meat if they were on their death bed with meat as their only salvation. and there isn't a single meat eating person on earth who wouldn't change to a vegetarian diet if they were in the same spot. anyone who says otherwise is full of sh*t.
"I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain."
There's a neat little group here that I scavenge from on occasion trading eggs for raw milk products. Its a group of about eight people. They all have a share in this cow..(lol..poor cow many masters..) However all they are doing is really just purchasing the cows entire milk output. Some organic farmers find this lucrative. Then the group divies up the milk and each of them do something with it. Consume as raw milk, make butter or clotted cream or cheese, kefer things of that nature and then trade products. I bust in occasional with my eggs and they barter me some stuff for eggs. Works splendidly. Visiting the farm is divided up on a rotation basis for each member so the trips out there per person are not quite so onerous. I love clotted cream and in this area this is my only good source of getting it.
Some very small dairy farm outfits will take on folks like this as they can't sell raw milk and they don't produce enough to qualify for the big league dairy distributors. We can't legally purchase raw milk so the contract is that the people are paying for the cows room, board, and food.
thanks for sharing. i've also incorporated many of aajonus' teachings, though i wish raw milk and butter were a little easier to come by and a little less expensive(its an hour trip to the nearest farm authorized to sell raw, and $8 a gallon for milk). raw meat was a little tough at first, but i've learned to love a good steak tartar dish.
the spiritual aspect can be chopped up a million ways(no pun intended) but it basically comes down to this: if you're sick enough, and if you'd tried everything under the sun, and if you're dieing, you will do what must be done, whether it involves eating raw meat or concrete. i speak from experience. i should have died years ago. raw meat was one of the things that saved my life.
of course everyone is different-some will respond to vegetarianism and others to a primal diet. whatever works is best. but any judgements either way need immediate smashing. there isn't a single vegetarian on earth that would refuse meat if they were on their death bed with meat as their only salvation. and there isn't a single meat eating person on earth who wouldn't change to a vegetarian diet if they were in the same spot. anyone who says otherwise is full of sh*t.
hi 9eagle9,
all the pageantry just to get a little raw milk! crazy isn't it???
you had me laughing there: they all have a share in the cow...lol!!!
its ridiculous, but if you don't tip-toe around these laws, f.b.i. have been known to raid percieved non-compliant health food stores with guns drawn. no joke. the man referenced, aajonus vonderplanitz, has a store in s.california-Rawsome-and was raided relatively recently. and he was operating completely within the law. probably a whole new thread...
Posted by Rayne T.
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If any of you can tell me WHAT there really is to eat as a vegetarian that will supply complete digestible real muscle building nutrition please, I'd love to hear it. Please keep in mind that a body doesn't start breaking down on a poor diet until around 35 or sometimes 50 if the diet has been vegetarian, so you need to be old enough to prove your results. If you are in your 20's, it doesnt mean anything to me that you eat 10 lbs of nuts a day and are running marathons. Your body simply hasn't had time to wear out from jumping through digestive hoops trying to process everything yet.
chick peas are great, especially when mixed into humus, mushrooms are 60% protein and contain a wealth of minerals, eggs, lots of olive oil, lots of butter, fermented foods, fruit and vegetables of every colour, a rainbow diet...I find grains alright as long as i soak them overnight or ferment them to soften them up...root vegetables cooked...seeds, nuts, vegetarian curries are great, figs and dates in small proportions so as not to be bad for the teeth...no breads,no sugar, plenty of water, lots of sea salt.
I find vegetarian food delicious, much nicer than when I was eating all processed and refined stuff but i lead a very active lifestyle and as a result i do have to eat alot to keep my weight up, kudos to you for finding a diet that works, I may even try adding a bit of raw salmon to my diet just to see how it affects me, i've heard alot of vegetarians who have had to start eating meat for health reasons so I see no shame in giving it a go
Thanks Rayne, your experiences are much appreciated
Cats today are no less of carnivores than the sabretooths were.
I feed mine high protein diets cause the corn based ones cause health problems-ie
(friskies, whiskas,meowmix any big name commercial cat chow is escentially mostly fillers)
Cats and dogs could eat raw meat as their stomachs contain harsh acids that ours don't.
Though if you do go that route make sure it's organic as the commercial processing is often what causes parasites and bacterial contamination.
If you're a dog owner, dogs ARE omnivores but a food high in grains is still bad for their health. they require more proteins and veggies than grains.
Check your ingredients
...THIS APPLIES TO HUMANS TOO!...
we were omnivores in the beggining and that hasn't changed...
HOWEVER there is nutritional typing as some humans genetically require more proteins or more carbs based on the climate they were encoded for...
Truthfullly we're all designed to only eat raw foods but because of how unsafe our food handler's practices have become, i would air on the side of caution when it comes to raw meats.
(we didn't always have fire )
I eat my eggs raw but they're free-range locally produced and noncommercial.
The reason at least SOME raw foods are important is simply this..cooked food is dead food...
raw contains many important ezymes that help your body to process things more quickly, effciently, and completely.
Also many vitamins and other nutrients are destroyed with the cooking process.
more info @ mercola.com (they also have a free nutritional typing test)
Life is about choice, which road you want to travel down.
We all have a choice and different roads to walk down.
My choice is to not eat anything with a brain or is a sentient being.
I don't need any justification for my diet as I know in my heart that it is right.
I want to live in a world were we can walk amongst all living creatures without them running in fear of their lives.
You are what you consume, you are the fear that the animals feels before they die, that's in you that's your choice.
I have chosen my road and a weight has been lifted, I'm not a hypocrite, I'm liberated.
Please don't just disagree and stop reading because of what you have read in magazines, heard on tv, or even experienced for yourself about the benefits of going vegetarian.
This is what made me stop reading. Ridiculous. Experiencing for yourself (when possible) is the best reason to test something. By the way, I am a vegan going on for 5 years, in great health, except for an hereditary disease. In my opinion, nothing can beat self-experience.
I was thirteen when I decided I wanted to be vegetarian, and it was on compassionate grounds. My Dad called me a weirdo and I didn't care. He never missed an opportunity to mock, lecture or otherwise dissuade me. Didn't care. I liked animals. Even ones that didn't seem to like me too much. I had sympathy for them. There are plenty of humans I don't particularly like, and some that I very much dislike - but I wouldn't wish the abattoir on any of them.
In my mid-thirties (I'm nearly forty-two) I went full vegan. I'd read some things and seen some things that horrified me. Really horrified me. How, I thought, can we as a species maintain the hypocrisy of conceits like philosophy, romance, art, higher thinking? How? Look at what happens in abattoirs and tell me how.
Well, I nearly died being a vegan. A previous poster mentioned the book, "Eat right for your type", and I have that book. My blood group is 'O', which - if I'm correct - is the ancient, more stone age friendly one. I fell apart physically. I thought I was being so careful: Spirulina, soaked hemp, flax, vitamins (the good ones, not the crap they sell in supermarkets), you name it. But eventually even walking became un-doable. If I walked half a mile to th nearest shop I would have to spend the next week crippled. It was that bad - I couldn't go down the stairs - had to go one step at a time on my backside.
In early 2007 I did an exercise I read in a book by Alberto Villoldo (The Four Insights). I was dying, and had been having seriously worrying symptoms of cardio vascular breakdown. It's an exercise to cleanse your chakras. Forgive my flakiness. The next morning I had the strongest desire in the world to eat fish. Not mammal - fish. So I did, despite all my strongest feelings against it.
Well, I walk miles on a regular basis now, and that appalling period of fear and sickness is gone. I eat fish, and I eat locally sourced free range, organic eggs. No mammals. I don't like it, but I'd be dead now if it wasn't for that turnaround. I really don't like it. I will never eat fish or eggs without a very private prayer to both the animal and the Earth. I wish I didn't have to, believe me.
I have noticed that when I eat protein, animal foods (fish and eggs), and a lot of salad, I feel a vitality that is unnatural to modern people. I agree with the posters who say that grains and beans and things are not so good for us. I mean, I eat them sometimes - but I think you're right. Why the hell are the things that are so good for us (green, leafy vegetables we cat eat raw) the most expensive? Hmmm.
As for raw meat ... well, I think if you are going to eat mammal then it probably is the way to go. Cooking things really hasn't had a chance yet to take, evolutionarily speaking. But I have this intuition that I don't want to eat mammals. I share a limbic brain with them. I fear that there is an element of hypocrisy in this, and admit that I don't want to eat fish either. But mammal? Yuk. My weird life has granted me bizarre and comic interaction with the sort of mammals that humans generally eat, and for my money they are just too like us. Warm-blooded and feeling. Maybe fish feel, blimey - maybe plants feel. What can I do? When i started eating fish again I had to make a decision that was as dramatic as me or them. I do it with respect and regret. I want to live.
If there are proper vegans out there who can be healthy, then power to your elbows. I wish I could be one again, and I respect you utterly.
p.s. LIMOR, thank you for what you said. Beautiful. As a non-Israeli, non-Jew - if I had said what you said - likening the death camps to what we as a species seem to tolerate so blithely - I'm pretty sure I would have been blasted. It's off-topic, sorry - but important to remember that whatever we hear on the news and whatever we think about certain governments, there are plenty of people in Israel who are (extremely) compassionate human beings! I didn't watch the film you posted because I've seen things like it, and become enraged and upset before. I saw a television documentary in England some years ago about abattoirs, and I will take it to my grave. I saw calves skittering, panicked and terrified, in a queue, to be executed. They were slipping and sliding on a blood soaked floor. It was hell on Earth.
Thank you Borden for that wonderful post. We all have many differnt paths to walk and it seems you are finding one that makes you the most happy and that is the goal of life is it not, to be happy and content deep within our soles.
Re: The Raw Primal Diet vs Vegetarianism
I will gladly stop eating (I hardly eat now, btw) if what I ate didn’t want to be eating. Destroying life to sustain my own is not what I want to do. It’s not right. In fact I’m prepared to die before I start eating something that wants to live. I wonder how many are willing to do that
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