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    What follows in an excerpt from a guest-post from Serhei on my Notions blog today. You may wish to read the whole thing to get its full impact - which is potentially considerable IMO.


    The original piece is about the phenomenon seen among many self-identified, and apparently devout, Christians whereby they go-along-with the evil strategies of the globalist totalitarians - and do repent their support of evil, apparently not even privately.

    But this explanatory hypothesis can also be seen as a deep explanation for how the law of attraction works in modern conditions and the consciousness of modern mass Man. In brief: the way that people (overall and in the long term) attract the conditions that they - in a spiritual sense - are 'asking-for'.

    Both Serhei and myself tend to regard the law of attraction in terns of the 'evolutionary development of human consciousness' as described by Rudolf Steiner and Owen Barfield. This has it that modern Western consciousness (the consciousness soul) is, for the first time in history, detached from the divine consciousness of creation; therefore Man creates his own reality to a greater extent than ever before.


    This leads on to the question of why, if this is the case, and people could choose otherwise; so many Men create such a malign reality?

    Why do they fail to recognize their oppression, argue against its actuality; lack either courage or the ability to dissent even inwardly?

    Why can't they (or won't they) repent their own coerced collusion in sin? (When one might suppose it easier to notice and repent some behaviour that had been forced-upon us.)

    Why it is so difficult - often impossible - to persuade so-many people of what ought-to-be obvious truths about the globalists plans and the obvious evil motivation of the leadership class? (When there is so much evidence of evil intent - so little evidence that They are working for the well-being of the masses.)


    Also the question of why a modern Christian 'slave', who is apparently compelled by his Totalitarian Masters to go-against his faith and actively-support the work of evil or else lose his friends and family/ status/ job/ safety; fails to feel this conflict; and ends-up calling the imposed evil good, and revises the doctrines and practices of Church-Christianity to make it so!

    That is the area which Serhei is addressing here:


    Supposing that consciousness has evolved to the extent that people are more-able to choose their state of being and unrelentingly translate their Desires into Reality... it would follow that nowadays a Christian-slave who genuinely does not wish to be a slave, who genuinely-Desires to be free... will almost-always find a way to act on that desire and smash his chains with the cooperation of other Beings that share his desire for freedom.

    This is unlike past eras where a Christian-slave may be stuck in this suboptimal state for a much longer time. Now, attaining freedom may not be a pleasant process -- but by undergoing moderate or intense hardship the Christian-slave proves that his desire is stronger than mere 'incentives'.

    Those who are left-behind in chains are increasingly, not always, but ever-more, those who chose and continue to choose their chains, which makes it seem like physical- and spiritual-submission beget one another.

    This seems, in some ways, like a cruel doctrine ("you are only oppressed because you chose to be").

    In other ways, it seems like a sign of increased responsibility and power of choice in the modern era.

    Any coercive-tactic that meets with spiritual-rejection will fail, which is why the recent persecutions are remarkable for their 'voluntary' character, why there is so much emphasis on demanding gestures of obedience, apology, etc., and so much hatred when those gestures are not offered. Why the System feels so much more need for mind-control, and puts more emphasis on totalitarian (we dictate what you may think) rather than authoritarian (we dictate what you may do) ideologies.

    It is increasingly not possible to enforce measures on people who do not agree to them. Which is why the [pandemic] measures reversed so rapidly and every authority went looking for a new, not-yet-worn-out fear for people to enslave themselves to.

    Perhaps that’s a reason why things have not yet collapsed to-the-extent that they 'ought' to? Plenty of people want to drown-in-destruction, but not enough; the public is still being sold on the idea.

    It occurs to me that even things like [global warming] are sold primarily on the paradoxical idea that people ought to simultaneously hate and consciously wish-for and desire a [climate emergency] to manifest itself to, I don't know, spite the hypocrisy of civilization or something...
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    Default Re: Why don't The Masses acknowledge their oppression?

    thanks Bruce I will try to read thorough later tonight but in reference to this/

    "It occurs to me that even things like [global warming] are sold primarily on the paradoxical idea that people ought to simultaneously hate and consciously wish-for and desire a [climate emergency] to manifest itself to, I don't know, spite the hypocrisy of civilization or something..."

    A wise friend told me, people love covid. They want it. It gives them meaning, purpose, a rally cry for a variety of reasons they are unaware of.

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    thanks Bruce I will try to read thorough later tonight but in reference to this/

    "It occurs to me that even things like [global warming] are sold primarily on the paradoxical idea that people ought to simultaneously hate and consciously wish-for and desire a [climate emergency] to manifest itself to, I don't know, spite the hypocrisy of civilization or something..."

    A wise friend told me, people love covid. They want it. It gives them meaning, purpose, a rally cry for a variety of reasons they are unaware of.
    hypocrisy and cynicism run high on any govnmt and elite circles, it is passed down the line to the common wealth of all nations (not only British), it is the same old game of acknowledging the monarchs in power, a "practical cooperation" that goes all the way down to the lay man working hard on a piece of land....... unless people are aware of that nothing will ever change, works on any level from top to bottom.

    most people are not prepared to handle things on their own, they beg for help from their masters.
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    A chaos to the sense, a Kosmos to the reason.

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    Default Re: Why don't The Masses acknowledge their oppression?

    This may be part of the problem:


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    I wager my enslaved ass that none of us knows what it is to be fully free.
    The freedom we do have are all idols.
    Dolls of the mind.
    Toys in the attic.

    To not be fully free is but a tease, no?
    Knock Knock

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    I'm no astrologer, but I found this short and very articulate explanation very compelling:

    Quote Posted by mizo (here)
    Interesting tweet:

    https://twitter.com/UltraLandlord/st...04516153147392

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    Transcribed:
    How can I wake up my friends and family? So I'm going to answer this question that I get all the time. And it's an answer that sometimes people don't like to hear it but I'm gonna explain why I think it's true.

    In evolutionary astrology way back in the 90s when a guy named Jeffrey Wolf Green founded this type of astrology, which is the type of astrology I practice. He stated that 70% of the population lives in a consensus state. Which is basically a herd mentality. So these are the literal NPC's of the world. So they don't form independent thought. When they want know what their opinions are on certain topics they just look to the external world. So these kinds of people will tend to get the most offended when you present them with certain views that go outside of their paradigm because their beliefs actually represent unconscious security needs.

    So they unconsciously gain security, interest in the mainstream media, celebrities, the experts, the government. They basically can't really think for themselves so they seek security and outsourcing their opinions to the outer world. Moving from this consensus herd mentality to the next stage which is an individuated state is often a traumatic process. Because instead of trusting the external world like you always have, the government, the authorities, you actually have to learn how to trust self as an inner guidance system instead. And in order to do that you actually have to decondition and then do a lot of what you thought was true about yourself and the world in the process.

    So this is a really alienating and lonely process by design because in order to discover who you are you actually have to separate from the herd to begin with. And the thing is you can't actually force people out of this state. It has to come from an inner calling, so it has to come from them realizing that there is something different inside of them that can't be explained by the expert, science, celebrities, government. And in my view it really takes a certain ripeness of the soul to even want to go down that path because it's not easy.
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    I'm no astrologer, but I found this short and very articulate explanation very compelling:

    Quote Posted by mizo (here)
    Interesting tweet:

    https://twitter.com/UltraLandlord/st...04516153147392
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    I would urge commenters to go and re-read what Serhei suggests in the original post - and perhaps check-out the links there.

    So far, I am not sure whether people are 'getting' the really interesting (and - to me - both novel and valuable) things that he is suggesting, regarding this perennial topic.

    https://charltonteaching.blogspot.co...an-slaves.html

    In particular this is important, when taken in context: "Any coercive-tactic that meets with spiritual-rejection will fail, which is why the recent persecutions are remarkable for their 'voluntary' character..."

    We were both struck by the fact that (in most places) governments refrained from making vax compliance legally-compulsory and impose it by force - but carefully phrased it as advisory, and always encouraged others (employers and other businesses) do do the regulating.

    To us - this suggested that vax compliance was a spiritual strategy primarily. It was very important to Them that people would (at some level) agree to the vax; and this reminded us of the idea that (to be spiritually corrupting and damning) evil must be invited into the heart.

    (Much as vampires must be invited to cross the threshold; otherwise they cannot.)
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    I remember being grateful at times for going to job I didn't really like, nor was I aligned with it's causes. The reason was that I found comfort in the "structure" of the job. The reality was that I found it easier to be told what to do. No one was directly standing over me and making me do anything, but there were specific tasks that were expected of me. It was so much easier than making my own decisions. In fact, I can now see how I really did embrace forfeiting my own freedom for the will of another. I wanted someone else to tell me what to do. At the time I saw it as a diversion from personal issues and a distraction from a low grade anxiety. The reality is that I most likely had a constant sense of anxiety and uneasiness from the very thing I was using to distract myself. It is the anxiety and uneasiness of living a life that was not the reality of my choosing at a deeper level it was the reality tunnel of someone or something else. In effect, I traded my autonomy for fiat currency.

    Wow!!! This realization of the level of programming unconscious voluntary slavery is mind blowing.

    That is actually a new understanding for me. The programming runs really deep.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    I'm no astrologer, but I found this short and very articulate explanation very compelling:

    Quote Posted by mizo (here)
    Interesting tweet:

    https://twitter.com/UltraLandlord/st...04516153147392
    I wish I knew who this woman was because she articulates this truth so well. I would have loved to hear her entire talk but deeply appreciate that piece.

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    Being here in these bodies is the inviting...
    Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless — like water...Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend. Bruce Lee

    Free will can only be as free as the mind that conceives it.

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    Quote Posted by Pam (here)
    I wish I knew who this woman was because she articulates this truth so well. I would have loved to hear her entire talk but deeply appreciate that piece.
    That's Laura Matsue. She is married to Bernhard Guenther and they generally are very sharply refreshing in their critique of the awakened community. You can find her on twitter and telegram.

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    Quote Posted by Pam (here)
    I wish I knew who this woman was because she articulates this truth so well. I would have loved to hear her entire talk but deeply appreciate that piece.
    That's Laura Matsue. She is married to Bernhard Guenther and they generally are very sharply refreshing in their critique of the awakened community. You can find her on twitter and telegram.
    Thanks Maggie! I actually found she has a website and a bunch of writings, some of them look as though they may fit in with this topic really well.

    https://lauramatsue.com/writings/

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    Quote Posted by Pam (here)
    Wow!!! This realization of the level of programming unconscious voluntary slavery is mind blowing.

    That is actually a new understanding for me. The programming runs really deep.
    It is mind blowing BUT maybe this is atually why we are here....to recognize the way the "mind" enslaves and find the way OUT. More and more I understand the meaning of being in an "illusion", in Maya and the way it has been described for as long as we have "historic references". DIS-illusionment is what happens when one realizes the UN-conscious way we "robots" operate and seeks to be conscious.

    It is so weird the way we create in 3D what we ARE.... as in Maybe we are AI already...the sum of input of the programs. BUT what ELSE I am, I don't KNOW! In that context, are WE reaching the Singularity?

    Frankly, it seems that everything one finds FAULT in another for doing, WE usually do. We project the script until we RE-cognize its a script. As a writer, it is often HARD to end the story. IMO we must CHOOSE to end the story consciously and that is why we MUST be disillusioned. It STOPS being of any use and then we CHOOSE to end it .

    That is why IMO one should forgive and forget. I personally suspect I could stay in the story for eons trying to Right (write) all wrongs to "my" personal advantage or the advantage of mankind or wherever my focus lands.

    The world is my mirror and I contemplate myself. I will now LOVE what I see as I will claim is ALL as me. I stop oppressing and oppression stops. That is what the masses can't acknowledge. Not only is there oppression but it's all "My" fault.

    This is a MASTER class here. Not everyone will graduate and that is just fine as we have all time needed. It is just that some of us have repeated so many times that we just are sick and tired of the projections.

    Irony, paradox and play
    This is the reason we are here today.
    Find the fun in being wrong,
    Find the humour where life once stung,
    Find the Joy of being stupid
    See how LOVE is not just cupid!

    STOP the press
    Forget the rest
    End the scene by accepting I DREAM.
    By accepting I keep the characters in motion.
    I allow the enslavement notion.

    See how much we LIVE and learn
    when first we hasten to discern:
    HOW we have been at fault
    we have enslaved the world
    Despised ourselves we punished others

    We have a zillion "years" to grasp this fact
    we cannot change what we cannot own intact

    WE (who we ARE) "I am" don't die
    The time here passes (well it flies)
    We probably will return UNLESS
    we OWN our actions, CONFESS, repent
    Turn around
    Stand Upright, outside in and Frontwards facing down the truth.

    We dreamed it up and live it out
    We make the prison we worry about
    We make the key when its "time" to bring us out

    The upside down and inside out
    The way of backwards SUITS to sort
    The ones with SOUL
    The ones with spirit
    The ones where being squelched serves triggers
    Wake up Dreamer and to YOUR SELF much BIGGER

    Home awaits us SOON though we forgot to know
    It's just the way the story Goes.
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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    I'm no astrologer, but I found this short and very articulate explanation very compelling:

    Quote Posted by mizo (here)
    Interesting tweet:

    https://twitter.com/UltraLandlord/st...04516153147392
    Some nitty gritty stuff right there!

    Some may recall an echo from fiction that alludes to this psychological tug of war. Many reading this will know of this all too well:

    Quote Cypher : Ignorance is bliss. Cypher : I know what you're thinking, 'cause right now I'm thinking the same thing. Actually, I've been thinking it ever since I got here: Why oh why didn't I take the BLUE pill?

    The Matrix (1999) - Joe Pantoliano as Cypher
    As far as I 'know', once the genie's out.....

    Pandora's box is open.....

    There's no unseeing what's been seen.



    Not entirely sure there was ever a conscious choice available on whether 'to see or not to see'.

    Likened to an unseen force or perhaps curiosity killed the cat?
    Digressing from OP so will pretend to put that cat back in the bag.
    Knock Knock

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    Quote Posted by RunningDeer (here)
    Transcribed:
    How can I wake up my friends and family? So I'm going to answer this question that I get all the time. And it's an answer that sometimes people don't like to hear it but I'm gonna explain why I think it's true.

    In evolutionary astrology way back in the 90s when a guy named Jeffrey Wolf Green founded this type of astrology, which is the type of astrology I practice. He stated that 70% of the population lives in a consensus state. Which is basically a herd mentality. So these are the literal NPC's of the world. So they don't form independent thought. When they want know what their opinions are on certain topics they just look to the external world. So these kinds of people will tend to get the most offended when you present them with certain views that go outside of their paradigm. Because their beliefs actually represent unconscious security needs.

    So they unconsciously gain security, interest in the mainstream media, celebrities, the experts, the government. They basically can't really think for themselves. so they seek security and outsourcing their opinions to the outer world.

    Moving from this consensus herd mentality to the next stage which is an individuated state is often a traumatic process. Because instead of trusting the external world like you always have, the government, the authorities, you actually have to learn how to trust self as an inner guidance system instead. And in order to do that you actually have to decondition and then do a lot of what you thought was true about yourself and the world in the process.

    So this is a really alienating and lonely process by design because in order to discover who you are you actually have to separate from the herd to begin with. And the thing is you can't actually force people out of this state it Has to come from an inner calling, So it has to come from them realizing that there is something different inside of them that can't be explained by the expert, science, celebrities, government. And in my view it really takes a certain ripeness of the soul to even want to go down that path because it's not easy.
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    I'm no astrologer, but I found this short and very articulate explanation very compelling:

    Quote Posted by mizo (here)
    Interesting tweet:

    https://twitter.com/UltraLandlord/st...04516153147392
    a longer version

    Last edited by Bill Ryan; 2nd April 2023 at 20:42. Reason: embedded the video

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    I'm no astrologer, but I found this short and very articulate explanation very compelling:

    Quote Posted by mizo (here)
    Interesting tweet:

    https://twitter.com/UltraLandlord/st...04516153147392
    Thank you very much mizo and Bill Ryan for posting this speech and to all the other posters.

    ----------------------------------------
    Hint: When I have been away from checking the forums for a while I always find searching Bill Ryan's recent posts one of the best ways to quickly stay up-to-date on topics of importance: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sear...st&showposts=1
    ----------------------------------------

    I searched the Twitter thread and found the woman's name and then discovered Delight had already posted her name: Laura Matsue

    Thank you. I have listed her sites down and I must research her work further.

    There are some very interesting links to articles on her Twitter feed including articles regarding the so-called vaccine and the spiritual agenda. These articles certainly resonated with me:

    https://twitter.com/lauramatsue/stat...DU4ZCQg7UtAAAA

    The COVID mRNA vaxx: Impact on Future Incarnations and the Transhumanism Trap
    https://twitter.com/veilofreality/st...10945172340736

    By Bernhard Guenther, May 24, 2022
    COVID Vaccines – Consequences For The Soul, Spirit, And Life After Death
    https://veilofreality.com/2022/05/24...e-after-death/

    By Bernhard Guenther, December 15, 2022
    The A.I. Transhumanism Occult Trap And The Way Out
    https://veilofreality.com/2022/12/15...d-the-way-out/

    Here in Australia the government are still pushing the so-called vaccine with desperation – and unfortunately some COVID cultists who view their government as their benevolent protector very much looked forward with excitement and lined up for their fifth jab without any hesitation. Perhaps the above articles hint at the ultimate reason why the jabs were pushed so much and are still being pushed. The agenda is not limited to this earthly realm.

    Stay safe all – physically, mentally and spiritually.

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    Following the evolutionary development of human consciousness described by Rudolf Steiner et. all, the enslavement appears to be some kind of governor on creating reality. Who/what installed this governor is anyone's guess, but its purpose is to check the majority of people in this collective experience of ours from creating reality per their wishes and desires. In this quasi-lame state, many humans, while in a veritable time-out, decry to their captors, hold us back for we know not what we do!! We are noble souls! We are a Divine species! We're just not ready! Enslave us! Please!

    Quote Posted by Bruce G Charlton (here)
    Why it is so difficult - often impossible - to persuade so-many people of what ought-to-be obvious truths about the globalists plans and the obvious evil motivation of the leadership class? (When there is so much evidence of evil intent - so littleevidence that They are working for the well-being of the masses.)
    There is really only one logical conclusion to this question, then, and that is, many people want to be enslaved. So the real question is, why do they want to be enslaved?

    I would submit their enslavement, in itself, is a form of repentance in a self-disengaged state of Being sans the capacity to think. An iteration of Flagellantism, if you will. A repentance of the mind.

    Quote Posted by Bruce G Charlton (here)
    Also the question of why a modern Christian 'slave', who is apparently compelled by his Totalitarian Masters to go-against his faith and actively-support the work of evil or else lose his friends and family/ status/ job/ safety; fails to feel this conflict; and ends-up calling the imposed evil good, and revises the doctrines and practices of Church-Christianity to make it so!
    This is a more tricky question to answer, but I believe it's either a self-induced agreement with the soul to numb the mind (anesthetize the pain of cognitive dissonance, essentially), by way of program, or, perhaps more pernicious, a state of mind cast upon the afflicted by an outside power/influence. In any case, the effect is no different from taking a pain pill, i.e., I am devout and will repent, and will take my punishment, but please knock me out first! (After all, it's the humane thing to do...)

    The problem is--and this is where we venture into consequences--I believe there are unintended side effects to taking this pill. The Christian Slave is highly vulnerable to--at the very least susceptible to--Ahrimanic obeisance and is at risk of damnation (only for lack of a better word), because she/he no longer has faculty of heart. Which is in state of disconnect by some drug, program, hypnosis, psychological technology, etc., either soul-induced or otherwise. In other words, what is being judged are the actions of unconscious Being, the heart, with the mind in time-out.

    The most profound question, then, what is the appropriate way for the conscious to judge that?
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    Default Re: Why don't The Masses acknowledge their oppression?

    Man, know thyself.

    "The first reason for people's slavery is our ignorance, and above all, our ignorance of ourselves."

    ~ G. I. Gurdjieff

    "When you've seen beyond yourself, then you may find, peace of mind is waiting there." ~ George Harrison

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    Default Re: Why don't The Masses acknowledge their oppression?

    That Gurdjieff quote is so true, Wind, thank you for posting it.

    So is the Goethe quote, Bill, thank you. And the young woman in the clip put very well.

    I think our most important task now is to remember who we really are, we all know, but many of us find it very difficult to access that information.

    It's currently getting more and more important to concentrate on that and connect with our Higher Selves.

    That's the real freedom we have on this planet: remembering who we really are and doing what we know in our hearts to be right.

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