US state secession: are differences irreconcilable?

[jaybee]

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Something that has to be factored into the picture, IMO... is that the Globalists who want to weaken and basically destroy America and the West as we know it - to create a Dictatorship / Technocracy / One World Government ...have taken over so much of American politics + institutions that a 'divorce' could be a way to try and stop further encroachment - the Globalist Elite have full time adherents in both parties but are focusing on the Democrat Party particularly at the moment so that extreme groups like Antifa and BLM and mentally ill people like in the Trans movement.... can be weaponized to cause more division - (that's the way it looks to me anyway...)

Consequently the 'Blue' States may have gone passed the point of no return - the 'Red States' may have some hope of holding on to the Constitution and Rule of Law... ?

For what I've seen of Marjorie Taylor Greene... she seems like a brave, honest person -

I happen to see this the other day where she talks to Tucker Carlson and she is one of the very few politicians who seem to give a damn about the Jan6th political prisoners being held without trial...

Shocking details of Marjorie Taylor Greene’s visit to Jan. 6 defendants in prison(2:56)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=h0Aj5NHDx-g

2 Apr 2023
Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga., joins ‘Tucker Carlson Tonight’ to share details about the prison conditions that January 6 defendants are being held in.

[DNA]

Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)

• source

Arizona may turn red ...

I would argue that half the blue states are only blue because of voter manipulation and fraud.

[DNA]

Posted by mijatoca (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
This proposal is gaining traction now, especially after the indictment of President Trump a few days ago. It's all about a number of American states seceding from the Union.

Marjorie Taylor Greene was one of the first to use the phrase, back in February. This was published in Newsweek on 20 Feb:

https://newsweek.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-wants-nations-divorce-red-blue-states-1782449

Marjorie Taylor Greene Wants 'National Divorce' of Red and Blue States

I'll not copy the article here, but it featured this useful summary tweet:

https://twitter.com/mtgreenee/status...65203398688768

The slightly curtailed text reads:

We need a national divorce. We need to separate by red states and blue states and shrink the federal government. Everyone I talk to says this. From the sick and disgusting woke culture issues shoved down our throats to the Democrat’s traitorous America Last policies, we are done.

Bill, I don't read all your posts (no offence) , and correct me if my characterization of you is inaccurate, but you seem like you have devolved into a QANON cultist. You appear to promote GOP Lunatics. MTG?

OK let's extrapolate things if what she (MTG) proposes, takes shape.
1 country will be thrilled of guns in public like an episode of Gunsmoke, The Christian Taliban rules, Federal dollars become non existant anymore for those states that took more than contributed, talent exits because this bs isn't what they bargained for. Looks a lot more like (in my opinion) the Middle East now.

The other country attracts sensibility or at least a discussion based on facts.

Dude, mijatoca, you've been here for ten years and you have read like no posts what so ever.
You don't post often and I can see it is probably because you are too busy watching CNN getting your brain washed and programmed.
I wish we could help you but first you have to help yourself.
Read Hillary Clinton's email drops via wikileaks.
Check out Dr. John Colemans committee of 300, the speaking to promote the book is on Rumble.

[ExomatrixTV]

Posted by mijatoca (here)
I agree Bill. They are very few. But there are.

Most who are worthy of our attention left the Democratic Party (like: Tulsi Gabbard & Matt Taibbi) ... study the "Walk Away" movement ... 100,000s left and for good reason!

And I wonder if you have listened to what they have to say, why they left.

• Same for Jimmy Dore & Dave Rubin.

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

• related:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=JiEeDjZgAVg

• All The Neo-liberal Stooges Are Running Scared Now And For Good Reason:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=duhYPgdEMW8

[Ratszinger]

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
If there is such a movement, I hope it will involve its neighbor to the north...Alberta would be happy to join the red states for sure. Eastern Canada might as well. British Columbia, most of Ontario and all of Quebec would likely be lost.
The entire world power structure would change if USA divorced, leaving America as a regional power while China would rise to dominance as the only remaining super-power.
Scary stuff.

Also, Texas has been mulling the idea of leaving the union altogether. That would be a devastating blow to the red states in such a scenario.

The U.S. has been like north and south Vietnam or North and south Korea since the civil war as many in the south call the northerners Yankees to this day and northerners call the southerners names like "Redneck" among others. It's obviously much deeper than this and from the stand point of many the red and blue are already separating as I know here in Oklahoma we have had many new neighbors move in from CA and every last one of them said they know Trump won California because all you saw up and down the sate was Trump support yet the dems took it all. I know a couple right down the street that sold their CA home and with the profits they made from that sale moved here and bought seven homes and rented six and live in the other while the renters pay most all their expenses as well as their own and we got new neighbors on the other end of the block and guess where they are from? I see people from blue states leaving in hords and in Illinois the entire state is red with the exception of the very organized crime syndicate making it blue via Chicago! Many there feel they are not represnted and want Chicago off their map and I know that was the case in the 80's when the wife and I lived there. I'm not saying there are not dems there but the majorty of that state land mass is red. Here in OK of course it's the the brightest red of all with FL anymore a close second.

[ozmirage]

NATIONAL DIVORCE? SECESSION ?
This is a STUNNING victory for the world's greatest propaganda ministry.

That millions of Americans can be indoctrinated to be PIG IGNORANT of their basic laws, and thus seek to destroy the union.

What "basic law"?
That governments are instituted among men to secure endowed rights... and nothing more without consent of the governed. (See : Declaration of Independence)

If you are upset because government appears to be trespassing your rights, via socialist democracy, the law says you GAVE CONSENT. Otherwise the government couldn't tax, regulate or otherwise trespass upon your rights.
Don't be embarrassed. We're all victims of the WGPM.

The original reason for the "UNITED" states, was to unite in defense of rights to life, liberty, and private property rights from all enemies, foreign & domestic. . . Fight the bad guys.
Ah, but the bad guys weren't stupid - they infiltrated the government and perverted it.
It no longer secures rights from predators, but protects predators, while persecuting their prey who dared to fight back.

Sigh.
DIVIDE AND CONQUER.
Destroy the republican form of government, and eradicate that dangerous idea from the minds of the sheeple.


THE REAL REMEDY - 97% OF AMERICANS WITHDRAW CONSENT FROM THE SOCIALIST DEMOCRACY AND RESTORE ENDOWED RIGHTS.
That's all.
With the government's revenue cut by 97% and its authority to govern reduced to 3%, while all the sovereign people's endowed rights are not taxed, regulated, nor trespassed, no matter who is elected, there's very little mischief they can get into. It will be a national emergency when the president loses his bus pass.

[thepainterdoug]

Mijatoca each one of us is a complexity of beliefs, attitudes and views that are unfortunately most often applied in broad brush.
You're kinda crazy; MTGreen, may not be my kinda crazy,; Kamila H. But is 100% of these two people one or the other? No

How do you feel about J Trudeau? From my view, I don't see anyway he is loving, caring or concerned for the people of Canada Being a graduate of Klaus Schwab's young global leaders, I see him with those applicable motives of power ,control and $$$,and a one world government that the people of Canada , (provided they are transparently informed), do not want share or have choice over.
Does Trudeau have some good qualities? Im sure many would say yes. I never met him

On a personal level, I am anti war. It is probably my biggest issue because I see most all war as able to be avoided for it not big money and defense players wanting war for power and profit. They are not necessary wars, Iraq being a perfect recent example and your mentioned Madelene Albright, condoning over a million babies being murdered as "an acceptable cost".
Yet would I see cause for war in some cases? Yes. A legitimate cause, one driven by a true unsolvable issue after all options were exhausted in an open forum.

My stance is simple as it applies to this thread, I am for the Constitution of the USA and its bill of rights etc.( Broad Brush ) Anyone that chooses to live here should also be, or why not move out to your favorite socialist or communist country where you don't have to fight to convert it to communism, you already have it!
Cuba, N Korea, Venezuela, C China are ready made for someone who wants the state to run their lives and control their freedom.

I feel the USA , its constitution etc, is the best of all bad systems because it's the nature of human beings that is the problem.

[mountain_jim]

Posted by mijatoca (here)
Ever hear Madeleine Albright (Secretary of State under Bill Clinton. and btw he is a class A felon). She talks without pause for thought collection. Her brain is like an AI. Very impressive to watch.

Are you promoting her and her views? That manifestation of evil?

The most prominent memory of Albright that I have in my mind is from an interview she gave to CBS 60 Minutes in 1996.

In that now-iconic interview, veteran journalist Lesley Stahl questioned Albright – then the US ambassador to the United Nations – on the catastrophic effect the rigorous US sanctions imposed after Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait had on the Iraqi population.

“We have heard that half a million [Iraqi] children have died. I mean, that is more children than died in Hiroshima,” asked Stahl, “And, you know, is the price worth it?”

“I think that is a very hard choice,” Albright answered, “but the price, we think, the price is worth it.”

With this response, Albright showed that she sees innocent Iraqi children as nothing more than disposable fodder in a conflict between the US administration and the Iraqi leadership.

She demonstrated, with no room left for any doubt, that she had no humanity – that she cannot and shall never be described as “a force for goodness, grace, and decency”.

[norman]

Divorce = admission of defeat

Was it adultery or was it pre groomed rape ?

I say catch the groomer and rapist and counsel the victim.

MTG must be off her rocker, or worse. Fox ditto.

[T Smith]

Posted by ozmirage (here)
NATIONAL DIVORCE? SECESSION ?
This is a STUNNING victory for the world's greatest propaganda ministry.

The fact that it's being talked about is what seems pertinent to me. From apathy to sitting up and noticing somethin' ain't right. As far as I'm concerned, that's a start. Can we turn it around and save the Republic, or awaken from reality that our government is protecting the rights of predators instead of individual rights and liberties? Stay tuned. The question remains unanswered....

Posted by ozmirage (here)
LOR=#006400]THE REAL REMEDY - 97% OF AMERICANS WITHDRAW CONSENT FROM THE SOCIALIST DEMOCRACY AND RESTORE ENDOWED RIGHTS.[/COLOR]
That's all.
With the government's revenue cut by 97% and its authority to govern reduced to 3%, while all the sovereign people's endowed rights are not taxed, regulated, nor trespassed, no matter who is elected, there's very little mischief they can get into. It will be a national emergency when the president loses his bus pass.

Sure. That would remedy, in theory. A Ghandi-like resistance. But in practice, there would be civil war first.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by norman (here)
Divorce = admission of defeat

Or sometimes, it's a new start and the best thing for both partners.

[Ernie Nemeth]

I would say that a divorce is the best solution for America but not for the world.

If it was an even 50 - 50 split then it would make sense to avoid bloodshed. But it is not. It is not even 30 - 70 in terms of population. The news and social media make it seem as though this is a deep divide right down the middle but it is not. It is a manipulated statistic. Even those that have been brainwashed by the propaganda machine will awaken when the receipts pile up and those responsible are brought to justice.

The only question remaining is can the republic survive long enough for the truth to finally surface?

[norman]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by norman (here)
Divorce = admission of defeat

Or sometimes, it's a new start and the best thing for both partners.

"Best" huh ?

Not between red and blue.

Between The Republic of the United States of America and the US Corp', I could agree, as long as it's the Republic that gets to keep the house and assets for the sake of the kids.

[Ewan]

Posted by mijatoca (here)
Ever hear Madeleine Albright (Secretary of State under Bill Clinton. and btw he is a class A felon). She talks without pause for thought collection. Her brain is like an AI. Very impressive to watch.

Very creepy to watch if you asked me. Tony Blair was like that, they're like salesmen with no qualms about saying whatever they sense the audience need to hear. That's precisely why they don't pause for thought collection, everything they are saying is just hot air.

Speakers who pause for thought collection are far more likely gathering memories and thought processes to present in the most understandable way. They don't want to make mistakes. Though you have to examine what is being said, whilst watching the speaker also, to get a sense of their veracity.

[Ewan]

In the case of a divorce the split states could get very messy.

[Bruce G Charlton]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by mijatoca (here)

Bill, I don't read all your posts (no offence) , and correct me if my characterization of you is inaccurate, but you seem like you have devolved into a QANON cultist.

Yes, I can correct you. You're absolutely wrong.

I've never once supported (or even been interested in) QAnon. As I posted several times a while back, the QAnon messages changed authorship as many as 5 or 6 times even in the first year as the initiators lost control over the entire thing.

I'm no MAGA hothead. The world would be a better (and safer, fairer, more equitable) place if the entire USA fell to its global knees. The US is no longer the leader of the Free World.

Regarding my personal principles, I posted this here a few days ago. As a thought experiment, I'd defy anyone to try to place me personally on any Left—Right spectrum. I'm:

• pro-environment
• anti-imperialism
• anti-war (yes, really; but war is sometimes necessary as a last resort when the weak and corrupt global legal system fails)
• anti-greed
• pro-Christian (although I'm not a Christian myself; I'm more of a Buddhist)
• anti-capitalism
• pro-family
• pro-education
• pro-tradition
• pro-national culture
• pro-health sovereignty
• anti-recreational drugs
• pro-equality of opportunity
• anti-personal surveillance
• anti-big business
• anti-big pharma
• anti-big banking
• anti-big agro
• anti-globalisation
• anti-hunting for sport
• anti-censorship... etc etc etc.

Posted by mijatoca (here)

1 country will be thrilled of guns in public like an episode of Gunsmoke, The Christian Taliban rules, Federal dollars become non existant anymore for those states that took more than contributed, talent exits because this bs isn't what they bargained for. Looks a lot more like (in my opinion) the Middle East now.

The other country attracts sensibility or at least a discussion based on facts.

That's why some people are discussing a 'National Divorce'. You have perfectly represented why no meaningful dialog is possible.

@Bill " I'd defy anyone to try to place me personally on any Left—Right spectrum"

The thing is that - just stated as a list of secular principles - all can be found somewhere within the scope of mainstream public discourse.

If that was all there was to you, it would not matter what you called yourself or what anyone called you; because you would be located comfortably with The System.

It is your underlying and motivating Spiritual principles that make you stand outside of, and opposed to, The System!

That is a point I often recur to - politics is all 'System stuff', so long as the material realm and this mortal life are the whole story.

The only real opposition to The System is from those who are rooted outside it - which could be called Spiritually - but it must be a truly motivating spirituality which is more powerful that the System inducements.

After all, nearly every New Age 'spiritual' person I have read, heard or met gets his/ her ruling-convictions from the mainstream - indeed extra leftist - media (New York Times, The Guardian, NPR, BBC etc). Spirituality is of no use to anybody - and indeed a hypocritical sham - when it is so feeble as to be overwhelmed by whatever happens to be the latest and current Globalist Totalitarian System-imperative.

Nearly all the mainstream churches, of apparently all religions, broke their deepest 'principles' and closed for months (and without a known endpoint) in early 2020, revealing that institutional religion is within The System. So individuals who wish to operate from outside The System cannot rely upon any powerful institution to back them - we each must find our source of truth and the strength to hold-to-it.

[safara]

I have always in the past seen the "Divide and conquer" tacticts used by political parties only really ramped up towards election times. And then they subside and we all just get on with stuff.

But in the last 10 years or so the rhetoric, delivery and invasiveness has been so overwhelming that many have been so totally lead down a path to the point that they have lost all critical thought, and simply follow what they are now told by their chosen side.

Regardless of election times, this is what people now are. It governs their day to day conversations. They look for their angle in everything to try and prove this or that. It is now a full time thing being shoved at us, and many now know nothing else. Full time this side or that side

The connectivity and immediacy of the systems enabled by the internet play a huge part in this. Shut it down?

Can things be fixed? Bring back some thought, consideration for others, learn to live together?

Prolly gone too far now. Hence divorce is on the cards.

[Ratszinger]

Posted by safara (here)
I have always in the past seen the "Divide and conquer" tacticts used by political parties only really ramped up towards election times. And then they subside and we all just get on with stuff.

But in the last 10 years or so the rhetoric, delivery and invasiveness has been so overwhelming that many have been so totally lead down a path to the point that they have lost all critical thought, and simply follow what they are now told by their chosen side.

Regardless of election times, this is what people now are. It governs their day to day conversations. They look for their angle in everything to try and prove this or that. It is now a full time thing being shoved at us, and many now know nothing else. Full time this side or that side

The connectivity and immediacy of the systems enabled by the internet play a huge part in this. Shut it down?

Can things be fixed? Bring back some thought, consideration for others, learn to live together?

Prolly gone too far now. Hence divorce is on the cards.

So long as the USA is a multi-cultural country as it is at this writing we are safe really. Think about all this talk of WWIII and realize that Chinese elite have their sons, daughters, cousins and other relatives here in our schools. Russia does too and so does Europe as a whole, Japan, Malaysia, Pakistan, Irag, and even Iranian Americans that are here now that keep all these countries from destroying this one even if they do gang up on us. But hey, when we start seeing all the elite that sent their relatives here to go to school yanking them out and ordering them all home around the same time to where we all start noticing it it's time to round up those relatives and detain them in my opinion because once they leave the countries they are from will have no more vested interest in this one, it's schools or land or anything else but again this is all contrary to the Chinese ways of war. They are not going to destroy it but take it over from within as they are currently doing and take it all intact. As their manual has taught them is how they will go about it.

All of us here know dang well they own Biden and family and have them and more of our elected all by the short and curly hairs. The elected kissing their back side will do whatever they want in the way of any kind of favor and for life to hide their deviant behavior because to them it's the lesser of the two evils to be a slave to the Chinese and others that own them. This is how Biden got owned and his son, his brother and all others involved. It's probably spread to others we don't even know about yet in all systems of government. They currently work on bringing the FED to it's knees now to put the U.S. into a third world country status and apparently that is working because when the trucks stop running and the food shortages begin all these wandering immigrants will then begin to be a real problem for others competing for food and other people will be a real problem for them and each other.

Let us pray that we don't end up like Argentina where it has been reported that men hunt other men to cook and eat not because they are enemies! We think it could never happen here but then again, no one knows what they'd do to feed their childre until that moment comes and traumatic as what they do may be to them they'll do what is needed and shield their children from truth and do it. We're prepping for a shortage and not just of food but credit cards working, having any credit at all, and cash money. I guess we saw the tip of the iceberg here lately with egg prices but even that is going up again and I noticed that my sandwich at Subway was much more expensive than it was a year ago when I last ate there. Not sure I can afford to pay that for a meatball sub! Not sure I should have paid that for a steak sub but it was just meatball and it's a $15 sandwich after taxes! Used to be they had specials for $5! I'm afraid those days are gone my friends.

[Ewan]

Posted by Ratszinger (here)
like Argentina where it has been reported that men hunt other men to cook and eat

Can you PM me a link?
Everything I find is related to the 1972 air crash or even older -

The “Slaughter of the Turks” occurred between 1904 and 1909 and its death toll, according to the records of the officer who investigated it, amounted to some 130 victims,

and it was Patagonian tribesman that were responsible.

[mijatoca]

Hi DNA. I don't watch any news outlet. I'd rather stick a fork in my leg than listen to Wolf Blitzer.
When you write "I wish we could help you", who do you mean "we"? I must assume you feel comfortable here as a collective. I emphasize "collective", you know, like a hive mind? Why even discuss anything?