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    Default Re: "Don't go into the light" - Discussion thread

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    Checking out an older comment of yours... There's a lot of (scary) presumption in your statement. For one, how do you know "precisely" what a ghost is? I see now why you feel so strongly about this subject.
    I 'presume' from a place of study, knowledge and experience, rather than rumour or speculation. Whatever the subject may be, the former must trump the latter. I'm not sure why that would be scary..

    I've been in this subject deep, for 30+ years now, and had a lot of experience in that time. I'm not a clairvoyant, but I am a sensitive. I have seen and interacted with spirits many times, many while investigating paranormal activity (I used to do that), and not all encounters were good! In fact I've had one of two terrifying experiences - once with what some people call 'shadow people', a humanoid being made of pure darkness. It was not a fleeting glimpse. The confrontation lasted some 20 seconds, fairly close up (maybe 10-20 yards), in a well lit area. After those 20 seconds I said 'nope, I'm done,' and got the hell out. I was not alone, a friend was with me and he saw it too, and went on to never speak of it again. That was an unpleasant experience to say the least, and a real wake-up call.

    That is what one might call a ghost (or at least one type of ghost). This type we would call an 'earthbound spirit'. It exuded hatred for (or rather at) us and wanted us gone. If a spirit does not transition at death, this is what can happen to it.

    Picture a bubble of air released from a rock on the bottom of the ocean. That's like a soul being released at death. The bubble naturally ascends. It's not being pushed or pulled by any outward force - buoyancy impels because air is lighter than water. Same for a soul. Its nature is spirit not matter, so it's naturally impelled by frequency back to threshold of its native dimension.

    Dark souls, heavy souls, do not ascend in this fashion. They have literally become too 'heavy' with the negativity and dross accumulated in life. They remain anchored here (as ghosts). Many stay in this state for a long, long time, wallowing in doubt and despair. Often religious conditioning is to blame, and a deep-seated fear of 'Divine Judgment.' That's why they reject the light. For those who led particularly evil lives, the darkness of their energy can be even thicker and denser - they do not even hover at the earth plane, but sink lower, into what many call the hellish realms. These exist. But not in the same way religion depicts. It's not an eternal state. Redemption is available to every soul, but they have to want redemption, they have to want to look to the light.

    Please do listen to this experience:


    I think part of the problem with this light trap thing is people are treating death as something unfathomable, something impenetrable, and something therefore insidious. The mind runs wild with 'I think it to be this,' or 'I imagine it to be that'. None of that is necessary. All that's necessary is to listen to the stories of those who have actually been in the light, and experienced the death experience.

    Any which way you define it that counts as evidence, not theory.

    Over the decades that evidence has piled up. There are now untold thousands of first hand accounts - loads on youtube, and many more in books. If one is very interested in life after death and what really awaits us beyond, this is the place to go, this is what you should listen to and study. Not fear-peddlers! They do not proceed from experience, first hand or even second hand. They proceed from fear, and so that is all they spread. They have succumbed to the psyop.

    The 'powers that be' down here want fear and confusion and to keep people in the dark(ness). One of their methods has been to contaminate and destabilize the 'new age' and spirituality movement. What better way to do it than by filling people's minds with fear and confusion - and that even death is no escape!

    The truth is that to die is simply to go home - to the place we truly belong, and where we all came from anyway.
    Good stuff Mark.
    Glad to see your still hosting this thread.
    I tend to agree with most everything you have to say.
    I've had very similar experience to yourself.
    We should talk some time.
    I would love to chat with you over a pot of tea.
    Keep up the good work

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    Default Re: "Don't go into the light" - Discussion thread

    Quote Posted by Mark (Star Mariner) (here)
    Quote Posted by Pris (here)
    Checking out an older comment of yours... There's a lot of (scary) presumption in your statement. For one, how do you know "precisely" what a ghost is? I see now why you feel so strongly about this subject.
    I 'presume' from a place of study, knowledge and experience, rather than rumour or speculation. Whatever the subject may be, the former must trump the latter. I'm not sure why that would be scary..

    It's the whole, "If you don't go into the light, you'll be trapped on Earth as a ghost." I don't know why it seems to concern you so much that there are those of us who see things differently. There are many different ways to look at and interpret something.

    In the old Star Wars movie, remember how Luke treated Yoda when they first met?



    Quote Posted by Mark (Star Mariner) (here)
    I've been in this subject deep, for 30+ years now, and had a lot of experience in that time. I'm not a clairvoyant, but I am a sensitive. I have seen and interacted with spirits many times, many while investigating paranormal activity (I used to do that), and not all encounters were good! In fact I've had one of two terrifying experiences - once with what some people call 'shadow people', a humanoid being made of pure darkness. It was not a fleeting glimpse. The confrontation lasted some 20 seconds, fairly close up (maybe 10-20 yards), in a well lit area. After those 20 seconds I said 'nope, I'm done,' and got the hell out. I was not alone, a friend was with me and he saw it too, and went on to never speak of it again. That was an unpleasant experience to say the least, and a real wake-up call.

    That is what one might call a ghost (or at least one type of ghost). This type we would call an 'earthbound spirit'. It exuded hatred for (or rather at) us and wanted us gone. If a spirit does not transition at death, this is what can happen to it.

    That's interesting. Decades ago, during an OBE, I had my own personal experience with something that rather fits the description of a "shadow person". It was, by far, the most memorable OBE I've ever had and became a huge wake-up call and learning experience for me, too. At the time, it concerned me. But, that was then. I'm not sure what that thing was, but I have a pretty good idea why it showed up.



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    Redemption is available to every soul, but they have to want redemption, they have to want to look to the light.

    To me, this sounds super religious.



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    I think part of the problem with this light trap thing is people are treating death as something unfathomable, something impenetrable, and something therefore insidious. The mind runs wild with 'I think it to be this,' or 'I imagine it to be that'. None of that is necessary. All that's necessary is to listen to the stories of those who have actually been in the light, and experienced the death experience.

    Any which way you define it that counts as evidence, not theory.

    Over the decades that evidence has piled up. There are now untold thousands of first hand accounts - loads on youtube, and many more in books. If one is very interested in life after death and what really awaits us beyond, this is the place to go, this is what you should listen to and study. Not fear-peddlers! They do not proceed from experience, first hand or even second hand. They proceed from fear, and so that is all they spread. They have succumbed to the psyop.

    The 'powers that be' down here want fear and confusion and to keep people in the dark(ness). One of their methods has been to contaminate and destabilize the 'new age' and spirituality movement. What better way to do it than by filling people's minds with fear and confusion - and that even death is no escape!

    The truth is that to die is simply to go home - to the place we truly belong, and where we all came from anyway.

    I don't see the "light trap" as a problem. On the contrary.

    The "Abyss" is all about facing our deepest fears head-on and overcoming them.

    This conversation reminds me of what happened during the last couple of years globally. The people who started to question the narrative were called fear-mongers. Questioning something doesn't necessarily make you fearful of it. The idea is to bring clarity. Apparently, it's a dangerous idea to those who seek power and control over others.

    The New Age spiritual movement... today, I'd liken it to a cult of quicksand. To me, it started out ridiculously confusing yet quite alluring (mid 2000s). It was like a new fad, exciting. Everybody wanted a piece of it. And, that brought out all the snake-oil salesmen. As I dug into it over time, the whole thing became fake, sickly sweet, and disappointing.

    When I first starting listening to NDE stories, I found them fascinating. Why not? Everybody likes a good tale. And, I liked that the stories were similar and gave off "happy vibes". Then, one day I started reading the book, "Journey of Souls". That's when I really started to question the entire NDE narrative. The "journey" was horrifically detailed... the "archonic" spin repelled me. Since then, I've not been interested in any NDE stories talking about how wonderful the light is.

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    Default Re: "Don't go into the light" - Discussion thread

    Quote Posted by Pris (here)
    This conversation reminds me of what happened during the last couple of years globally.
    "The last couple of years or so..." That's when the light trap psyop kicked in. A couple of years was all it took to upend thousands of years of spiritual wisdom, historical belief, mystical experience and so forth.

    Quote Posted by Pris (here)
    The people who started to question the narrative were called fear-mongers.
    Which was precisely the purpose. It's how it starts. Though this isn't a 'narrative', i.e. something political in nature or dogmatic. Spiritual truth exists merely as a set of tenets, and they're universal in nature.

    Quote Posted by Pris (here)
    Questioning something doesn't necessarily make you fearful of it.
    I'm very glad you don't fear it, although that is its goal. The target being people who have a spiritual awareness, meaning they believe (basically) in a soul and the afterlife - the two things that for all human history gave humanity a crumb of comfort, that upon death they'd escape this cruel planet and rise to exist forever with the ancestors/loved ones/God -- or whatever basis of belief they held. This psyop deliberately casts a shadow over all that, to say that no such thing exists, there is no escape, and all that awaits you after death is just more misery (here's your new boss, same as the old boss). This is what it's for. This is the idea it's meant to implant.

    Quote Posted by Pris (here)
    Apparently, it's a dangerous idea to those who seek power and control over others.
    No one is seeking power and control. There is no such person, no such movement. This is not politics, this is merely good hearted people saying "this is a lie", and that all it will ever do is blunt spiritual awareness and blind you from the truth.

    Quote Posted by Pris (here)
    The New Age spiritual movement... today, I'd liken it to a cult of quicksand. To me, it started out ridiculously confusing yet quite alluring (mid 2000s). It was like a new fad, exciting. Everybody wanted a piece of it. And, that brought out all the snake-oil salesmen.
    Yep, 110%. And it was snake-oil salesmen precisely who rolled on up and poisoned the well with their psyops - exactly like this one. They turned it all to quicksand. Like counter-culture in the 60s/70s. It's what they do. It's what they always do. Don't buy into it!

    Quote Posted by Pris (here)
    Then, one day I started reading the book, "Journey of Souls". That's when I really started to question the entire NDE narrative. The "journey" was horrifically detailed... the "archonic" spin repelled me. Since then, I've not been interested in any NDE stories talking about how wonderful the light is.
    I'm sorry that book had that effect on you. But if you'd read it prior to being exposed to this psyop, it would not have had that effect. The most insidious seeding of the light trap rhetoric is to claim that any being "upper", "over" or "beyond" - a higher entity in other words - must, is, and can only be demonic, archonic, alien - it's never simply "a more advanced spiritual being". This psyop informs you that such a thing does not exist. Which is absurd. That immediately sets you on a path to suspicion when confronted with the afterlife.

    I know exactly what it was that turned you off that book. It was the part involving spiritual guides and the "controllers" of life-paths, destinies - the "beings" that so say run the show over there reducing us to puppets on a string. I can see why you would think that with the light trap thing in the back of your mind. I do understand. But that isn't what they are, and it isn't how it works.

    -- All I'm trying to do is reach out and say the afterlife is not what you think it is. No harm, no foul, we're just having a conversation. But, I'm sure at this stage there's nothing I can say that will change your mind --

    However, I do recommend - if you can - to try reading Journey of Souls again, and then after it Destiny of Souls (the follow up book, which is even better and more detailed than the first). I'm not telling you to, just saying if you could, if you did read them - both of them cover to cover, and you came back unchanged and still believing in a light trap, I'll say fair enough. I'll totally accept it. I totally accept what you're saying already - as an alternative point of view, I'm just trying to tell you - as a response - it's a deception.

    I don't know if you tried any of the earlier videos. But I urge you, if possible, to watch this one:

    10 mins
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    Default Re: "Don't go into the light" - Discussion thread

    Very good video in previous post, thanks Mark. This woman may be presenting another set of beliefs that may be different from true reality, but at least it is helpful. I do think that we create in huge part our reality, either individually and/or collectively.

    The avoidance of the light has been, at least in part, promulgated by Simon Parkes. I do not think that Simon has the truth. Certainly no more than me, you or anyone else. So we should definitely take it with a large grain of salt.
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    [This is a long post, sharing my perspectives and suspicions based off very possibly incorrect representations of metaphysical ideas]

    It has been suggested and reiterated by some that "no self-tutored seer or clairaudient ever saw or heard quite correctly."

    Where is the metaphysical in all of this? Are any of the Light Trap Idea proponents at all clairvoyants to a great degree? Is any of it founded on the metaphysical systems of knowledge from past and present, or is everything just controlled by Aliens? All of the esoteric science of the soul was channeled to us by Aliens all this time? Really?

    Systems that direct man on how to control his lower nature, to transmute himself by the Will of the SELF to be a being above the lower worlds, above fear and suffering through understanding of Evolution?

    Or is it just Aliens trapping us here and feeding off our emotions, and recycling souls?

    Some writers suggest that the Astral body is made up of unconscious material 'beings' (sleeping monads) that are descending into dense physical matter, on their involutionary path to become incarnate mineral beings, and from there begin their evolutionary journey (that old saying that the spirit [monad] sleeps in the mineral, awakens in the vegetable, develops motion in the animal, and realizes its individual consciousness in the human kingdom.)

    To reach lower densities these unconscious monads of our astral body are attracted to the most dense aspects of the Astral sub-planes, as they correspond to the lower densities of physical matter. The lowest sub-planes of the Astral World are made up of our lower emotions (elementals/thought-forms), whereas the higher aspects correspond to lighter and less dense physical material substances, and begin and correspond at the superetheric physical plane, which is present in our physical world, but mostly unseen (to those without etheric sight) and which may appear in the afterlife as Light, and correspond to Higher Emotions, as is noted by those who've seen this Light ...

    The Light, from whatever dimension, Feels Good, and meditators and NDE'rs describe Love.

    Some may move from dark planes of a lower of confused and fearful emotions, toward a Light where they feel Love--a higher vibration/dimension/plane.

    But we are told this is a Trap by Aliens now?

    So continuing on about the Astral-Emotional matter of that body...

    When we die, the Lower part of that body, which most strongly wants to continue to stay near the lower planes while descending toward physical matter by Natural Involutionary Tendency, which is the purpose of our co-operation with it as Evolutionary beings, as we as a conscious/awake evolutionary monad need to grow out of lower matter, where the unconscious involutionary beings/monads of our Emotional body are growing into it.

    But why? It's for experience, for all monads involved to learn and gain experiences in all the dimensions, to come to know them and understand their workings, and so reach a goal of conscious creation in those dimensions according to Cosmic Processes. We carelessly do this now, as we are still learning about, experiencing, and evolving out of the lower Worlds of Man.

    Anyway, so when we die a physical death, and we move, with our astral body away from dense physical matter, the natural tendency is for our (Man's) monadic SELF to separate from the monads of the Emotional-Astral Involutionary matter, starting from the lowest first, and progressing upwards. Where while alive we (monads) are co-creating experiences, each riding one another for experience that is mutually beneficial.

    When we die, the Lower Emotional Body coalesces and forms an elemental sheath around our higher principles/bodies, which it does unconsciously, but by Natural Instinct, so to try and keep itself closer to the physical world--it's goal (the collective goal of those lower monads) for them is to incarnate into mineral bodies, the dusts).

    This elemental sheath is called the Desire-Elemental.

    The Lower Emotional Body in a coalesced sheath, called the Desire-Elemental, tries to dominate the situation for a time, and it succeeds for the most part, which is why many experience the lower planes first, and objectively, as well as remain near the physical world, it's closest correlating plane, in and near the most dense parts--physical, liquid, solid, and gas--what we see with our eyes.

    By Natural process, and 'time' dependent on the Emotional nature/development of the dying personality (dependent also on an conscious and informed Will of the Self), this Desire Elemental eventually breaks up and dissipates as we (the monadic SELF of Man) ascend by Natural Tendency to our resting place in Higher Planes; the Elemental dissipates allowing us to gradually ascend into higher sub-planes of the Emotional World, those which correspond to the higher emotions, which correspond to higher forms of matter in the physical world-- the superetheric and higher (invisbile to physical eyes) which could seen as Light/Energy planes. There are correspondences likely to the higher Mental Worlds as well (but that comes later in our after death journey).

    If I got any of that right, then I would suggest that avoiding a Loving Light, which feels good and is drawing you from the Darker lower densities of Earth and Astral matter; avoiding the Light could serve to prolonging your stay and life while your are dominated for a short time by the Desire Elemental.

    This Desire-Elemental, that seeks to experience lower worlds, is built of material used by the spooks of Spiritists and Mediums, as well as the Elemental itself might become employed now by Dark Beings in the Lower Emotional Worlds, to 'act' like ghosts and Aliens (and other elaborate thought-forms), and so channel these ideas about alien domination (which no matter how much fluff is being mixed into it) cause confusion and fear to anyone who is unsure (and anyone not above a false surety) of their sovereignty as SELF.

    Does it seem fitting that the Bad Guys suggest we stay, and prolong our life in the Astral by Avoiding the Light as it happens Naturally? ... which a longer stay in those lower planes puts the enveloped Soul inside the Desire Elemental at risk of being recruited into the Forces of Darkness for a time?

    It is an intelligent trap indeed.

    LIGHT=LOVE is no more? We have to be suspicious of aliens on Earth, and now after death?

    I suggest one should go to the Light, to discard your Lower Bodies which do have a consciousness affect on us while incarnate and dis-incarnate, by way of being the vehicles of our Emotional expressions. But there are higher emotions in the Causal planes, True Joy, Peace, Love and Understanding, and that's where we go to rest after assimilating our experiences in the Higher Emotional, then Mental Worlds.

    Or, you could dodge the Light and start walking around with the hungry ghosts, asking to go to Source. Soon enough, one of our rescue friends, those silent helpers here and there, will fetch you and bring you back to the Light.

    If the Light Trap Idea is a False Idea perpetuated for whatever reason on the sensitives and truth seekers of the Alt community, then it would work to provide THEM bad guys with more servants and material forms to employ as aliens and ghouls in the fearful darkness of the night, while propagating this escapist mentality.
    ----------------

    further notes to this speculative post:

    -The Idea coming into our minds about Aliens feeding and recycling our souls might be a polluted reflection of something more like this:

    -that beings and nature spirits in higher and parallel dimensions do feed off or use our thoughts and feelings. The negative ones feed on fear based emotions, while positive beings feed up higher emotions. It's not just hungry Aliens. What happened to all the ghosts?

    -the idea the beings have complexes on the moon that recycle our souls and wipe our memories might be a polluted reflection that, perhaps beings do do this, but it is their job to do this. They recycle the material of thought and emotion, which are energies that are intelligently linked to our Soul. These are beings who work in the planetary processes of Cosmic Law who's work it is to get our material and energies/tendencies/skandhas linked back to our soul for the reincarnation process.

    There may be beings, great and small, in other worlds, in the order of magnitudes greater that the number of human souls. These are MYSTERIES, but we might be receiving Mental Ideas about these beings and processes now a days, for whatever reason, but likely do to the procession into a New Age, which will bring with it revelations of Knowledge about these worlds and their inhabitants.

    My personal opinion is that we are linking Ideas, Beings, and Processes that we are just re-discovering, but are receiving them incompletely through the multitudinous number of people coming through with these ideas from the mental plane.

    The Ideas and Knowledge may our earned right, but the Dark Forces may be purposefully twisting the ideas to cause us to fear the higher beings that may just be here to assist us, and are doing a job that we don't understand yet.

    Disclosure might be nothing of what we think it is, but a new paradigm coming soon that will explain all of these processes that we are here and there all still guessing at; new science will be revealed that explains many of these fussy and fantastic ideas as Spiritual, Mental, Emotion --- psychological disorders of consciousness.

    Lastly, I admit that I could have all of this backward, and I may be wrong about the Light. I do strive to keep an open, yet critical mind.

    If and when we all find that the paradigms we've been emotionally and mentally investing in, and even the persons and teachers we've trusted, have either been wrong by human error of interpretation, or wrong because we've been deceived by others who've been deceived, then we'll all have painful adjustments.

    I preface almost everything I write as hypothesis, because I know that I don't KNOW.
    Ha! I can hardly believe I wrote this post, given that I no longer ascribe to metaphysical systems, and am a skeptical agnostic now. I can't believe how nerdy I was with the Theosophies. I wish I could believe in this stuff like I used to. I do think it's an important topic still, because the The Light Trap meme can cause people to become despondent, while also giving people a false hope in making them think the Trap is easily escapable.

    I would still side with the Newton's and NDE'ers who have had life changing experiences, and all their testimonies, over the fearful light trap meme.

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    Default Re: "Don't go into the light" - Discussion thread

    Quote Posted by Mark (Star Mariner) (here)
    Quote Posted by Pris (here)
    This conversation reminds me of what happened during the last couple of years globally.
    "The last couple of years or so..." That's when the light trap psyop kicked in. A couple of years was all it took to upend thousands of years of spiritual wisdom, historical belief, mystical experience and so forth.

    Quote Posted by Pris (here)
    The people who started to question the narrative were called fear-mongers.
    Which was precisely the purpose. It's how it starts. Though this isn't a 'narrative', i.e. something political in nature or dogmatic. Spiritual truth exists merely as a set of tenets, and they're universal in nature.

    Quote Posted by Pris (here)
    Questioning something doesn't necessarily make you fearful of it.
    I'm very glad you don't fear it, although that is its goal. The target being people who have a spiritual awareness, meaning they believe (basically) in a soul and the afterlife - the two things that for all human history gave humanity a crumb of comfort, that upon death they'd escape this cruel planet and rise to exist forever with the ancestors/loved ones/God -- or whatever basis of belief they held. This psyop deliberately casts a shadow over all that, to say that no such thing exists, there is no escape, and all that awaits you after death is just more misery (here's your new boss, same as the old boss). This is what it's for. This is the idea it's meant to implant.

    Quote Posted by Pris (here)
    Apparently, it's a dangerous idea to those who seek power and control over others.
    No one is seeking power and control. There is no such person, no such movement. This is not politics, this is merely good hearted people saying "this is a lie", and that all it will ever do is blunt spiritual awareness and blind you from the truth.

    Quote Posted by Pris (here)
    The New Age spiritual movement... today, I'd liken it to a cult of quicksand. To me, it started out ridiculously confusing yet quite alluring (mid 2000s). It was like a new fad, exciting. Everybody wanted a piece of it. And, that brought out all the snake-oil salesmen.
    Yep, 110%. And it was snake-oil salesmen precisely who rolled on up and poisoned the well with their psyops - exactly like this one. They turned it all to quicksand. Like counter-culture in the 60s/70s. It's what they do. It's what they always do. Don't buy into it!

    Quote Posted by Pris (here)
    Then, one day I started reading the book, "Journey of Souls". That's when I really started to question the entire NDE narrative. The "journey" was horrifically detailed... the "archonic" spin repelled me. Since then, I've not been interested in any NDE stories talking about how wonderful the light is.
    I'm sorry that book had that effect on you. But if you'd read it prior to being exposed to this psyop, it would not have had that effect. The most insidious seeding of the light trap rhetoric is to claim that any being "upper", "over" or "beyond" - a higher entity in other words - must, is, and can only be demonic, archonic, alien - it's never simply "a more advanced spiritual being". This psyop informs you that such a thing does not exist. Which is absurd. That immediately sets you on a path to suspicion when confronted with the afterlife.

    I know exactly what it was that turned you off that book. It was the part involving spiritual guides and the "controllers" of life-paths, destinies - the "beings" that so say run the show over there reducing us to puppets on a string. I can see why you would think that with the light trap thing in the back of your mind. I do understand. But that isn't what they are, and it isn't how it works.

    -- All I'm trying to do is reach out and say the afterlife is not what you think it is. No harm, no foul, we're just having a conversation. But, I'm sure at this stage there's nothing I can say that will change your mind --

    However, I do recommend - if you can - to try reading Journey of Souls again, and then after it Destiny of Souls (the follow up book, which is even better and more detailed than the first). I'm not telling you to, just saying if you could, if you did read them - both of them cover to cover, and you came back unchanged and still believing in a light trap, I'll say fair enough. I'll totally accept it. I totally accept what you're saying already - as an alternative point of view, I'm just trying to tell you - as a response - it's a deception.

    Though I do appreciate you "reaching out", we really are on different tangents.

    No, I knew about the "light trap" thing long before any "psyops" you say came onto the scene in the last couple of years.

    I got into David Wilcock's stuff around 2009-10. David spoke highly of Michael Newton's "Journey of Souls" and recommended it. I was also interested with what Dolores Cannon had to say. It was 2014 when I read half of "Journey of Souls" at about the same time I heard about the "light trap" thing. Did that ever turn me off of David by the way. And, his involvement with Cory Goode and those "blue-bird aliens" didn't help his credibility. The "Law of One" sealed it. Also, no more Dolores Cannon for me. Then, I spent a couple of years on internet forums (started here on Project Avalon in 2014) and explored this subject and many others.

    I actually felt pain in my chest as I read your "try reading 'Journey of Souls again'". Yes, that's how strongly I feel about it. I read enough of that book to realize what was going on. Again, I liken this to the plandemic. Even to this day, there are many people that have NO IDEA how much they were lied to and harmed by those they trusted. They look around and see nothing wrong even as wrongs are, still, continuously being done to them. In fact, they think everything is hunky dory. Cognitive dissonance. Mass formation psychosis. If a person buys into authority in this realm, they'll carry that trust of authority into the next realm and beyond.
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    If a person buys into authority in this realm, they'll carry that trust of authority into the next realm and beyond.
    Your problem seems to lie with authority, but you assume that negative powers would have as much power as you think they have. You think that they are literally in control of this reality which couldn't be further from the truth. It's utter nonsense.

    Esssentially you are giving them the powers which the Creative force or the Creator would have. You are of course free to believe what you want, but ultimately beliefs like these won't serve anyone. Instead they'll just confuse you even more. You are just trying to rebel against a system and spiritual laws which you don't understand.

    If all of us had all the time direct access to our higher selves and even the akashic records then this wouldn't even be a discussion. Then again, humanity does seem to be quite a confused species when you look at the world. That of course serves the negative forces quite well, but their time is still coming to a close anyways. This isn't the realm of understanding and wisdom, this is the realm of choices.
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    If a person buys into authority in this realm, they'll carry that trust of authority into the next realm and beyond.
    Your problem seems to lie with authority, but you assume that negative powers would have as much power as you think they have. You think that they are literally in control of this reality which couldn't be further from the truth. It's utter nonsense.

    Esssentially you are giving them the powers which the Creative force or the Creator would have. You are of course free to believe what you want, but ultimately beliefs like these won't serve anyone. Instead they'll just confuse you even more. You are just trying to rebel against a system and spiritual laws which you don't understand.

    If all of us had all the time direct access to our higher selves and even the akashic records then this wouldn't even be a discussion. Then again, humanity does seem to be quite a confused species when you look at the world. That of course serves the negative forces quite well, but their time is still coming to a close anyways. This isn't the realm of understanding and wisdom, this is the realm of choices.

    You speak from your point-of-view and I from mine. You cannot know what is right for me just as I cannot know what is right for you.

    There is no such thing as authority other than the power we give away. Negative powers are only as powerful as we allow them to be.

    "Higher selves and "akashic records"... those are terms I connect to the old New Age movement and don't think much of them.

    How little you know me. We are all Creators. Clarity comes from knowing.

    If, as you say, this is only the realm of choices, how can you make "good" choices if you have no knowledge or wisdom? That's a rhetorical question. It seems to matter a great deal to you that you make the correct choices as you appear to have a problem with mine.

    For me, this isn't about belief. I have my knowing as I look inside myself for answers. My knowing things certainly serves me.
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    How little you know me. We are all Creators.
    Well of course we are, co-creators.

    I'm not here to tell others what is right for them.

    I don't know you, but I know that you're It. So am I.

    We don't have to put a name on it, but it's One Infinite Consciousness.

    That's all that there is and from that Source of Love we come from.

    Eternal energy and delight. To me it's simple and I know that much.
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    How little you know me. We are all Creators.
    Well of course we are, co-creators.

    I'm not here to tell others what is right for them.

    I don't know you, but I know that you're It. So am I.

    We don't have to put a name on it, but it's One Infinite Consciousness.

    That's all that there is and from that Source of Love we come from.

    Eternal energy and delight. To me it's simple and I know that much.

    The idea of "co-creating" is a rabbit hole.

    Do you mean "One Infinite Consciousness" or "Source" where the individual surrenders themselves -- abandons their ego -- to the "whole" and kind of "melds" with it, giving up their individuality? If so, I see that as a "Borg collective".

    I see a soul as forever and complete unto itself, a literal black hole that became conscious and is its own personality/ego. It seems to exist multi-dimensionally while learning, growing, remembering. It is singularity being itself, standing alone, the center of everything, expressing itself outward.

    Singularity in nature exposes itself in everything around us. Based on physical observation of the macro to the micro, this infinitely outward and inward fundamental energy pattern appears to look something like this:




    Sand Patterns Created by Sound


    Essentially, this sheer energy force is in perpetual torque, spinning/rotating at its two poles in the form of a double-tetrahedron where each tetrahedron rotates against the other. Some call it the Merkaba.





    I'd liken us to individual crystals ("Christ", crystal consciousness) that independently collect, store, analyze, and use that information to gain knowledge and, hopefully, grow wise. It is about holding onto that knowledge and wisdom that I think is the key. I think it is fundamental to our freedom as conscious individuals.
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    big issue is Don't go to the light but where do we go..yes go to the source but only lights and speculating of alternative.

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    Do you mean "One Infinite Consciousness" or "Source" where the individual surrenders themselves -- abandons their ego -- to the "whole" and kind of "melds" with it, giving up their individuality? If so, I see that as a "Borg collective".
    No, to me a Borg hivemind like with the AI is creepy. It's artificial machinery and it assumes direct control in a different way.

    It can't see beyond it's own programming, it's just a machine anyways. Transhumanists want to explore that path of nuttery.

    Think it as this way, we are the drops and once we merge with the sublime Ocean we become It fully and see with it's eyes. There is nothing else but that ocean, yet sometimes we as drops forget that and think we are just separate little drops. The feeling of I am is never going to stop as it's the fundamental reality. We as drops have never left the ocean, because it's impossible. That ocean of consciousness is literally all that exists in the whole Creation.

    Yet as parts of that ocean we have wanted to venture out and see how we can develop as little droplets and how we can individualize more and more so we can shine our light and unique colours. We don't have to be afraid of losing who we are because we can become even more fully who we are meant to be as we come to truly know ourselves as we are.

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    I see a soul as forever and complete unto itself, a literal black hole that became conscious and is its own personality/ego. It seems to exist multi-dimensionally while learning, growing, remembering. It is singularity being itself, standing alone, the center of everything, expressing itself outward.

    I'd liken us to individual crystals ("Christ", crystal consciousness) that independently collect, store, analyze, and use that information to gain knowledge and, hopefully, grow wise. It is about holding onto that knowledge and wisdom that I think is the key. I think it is fundamental to our freedom as conscious individuals.
    Indeed as we grow and evolve it would seem that our consciousness crystallizes only further towards the higher Christ consciousness. That's the path of an spiritual adept. There have been many, like the one we know as Yeshua who ascended or was baptised to a higher state of Christ Consciouness. He (ego)"died" to himself, but still lived as a human being in the higher crystallized state of Christ-hood. He taught us to treat each other with kindness and love and he showed the Way to that higher path. The point was never to worship a person, but to connect to a higher power.
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    Do you mean "One Infinite Consciousness" or "Source" where the individual surrenders themselves -- abandons their ego -- to the "whole" and kind of "melds" with it, giving up their individuality? If so, I see that as a "Borg collective".
    No, to me a Borg hivemind like with the AI is creepy. It's artificial machinery and it assumes direct control in a different way.

    It can't see beyond it's own programming, it's just a machine anyways. Transhumanists want to explore that path of nuttery.

    Think it as this way, we are the drops and once we merge with the sublime Ocean we become It fully and see with it's eyes. There is nothing else but that ocean, yet sometimes we as drops forget that and think we are just separate little drops. The feeling of I am is never going to stop as it's the fundamental reality. We as drops have never left the ocean, because it's impossible. That ocean of consciousness is literally all that exists in the whole Creation.

    Yet as parts of that ocean we have wanted to venture out and see how we can develop as little droplets and how we can individualize more and more so we can shine our light and unique colours. We don't have to be afraid of losing who we are because we can become even more fully who we are meant to be as we come to truly know ourselves as we are.

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    I see a soul as forever and complete unto itself, a literal black hole that became conscious and is its own personality/ego. It seems to exist multi-dimensionally while learning, growing, remembering. It is singularity being itself, standing alone, the center of everything, expressing itself outward.

    I'd liken us to individual crystals ("Christ", crystal consciousness) that independently collect, store, analyze, and use that information to gain knowledge and, hopefully, grow wise. It is about holding onto that knowledge and wisdom that I think is the key. I think it is fundamental to our freedom as conscious individuals.
    Indeed as we grow and evolve it would seem that our consciousness crystallizes only further towards the higher Christ consciousness. That's the path of an spiritual adept. There have been many, like the one we know as Yeshua who ascended or was baptised to a higher state of Christ Consciouness. He (ego)"died" to himself, but still lived as a human being in the higher crystallized state of Christ-hood. He taught us to treat each other with kindness and love and he showed the Way to that higher path. The point was never to worship a person, but to connect to a higher power.

    When I mentioned "Borg", I meant it as a general example of a societal construct that does away with the individual. Besides, I don't think the Star Trek Borg were AI. It was about the use of technology to connect organic minds together as a Hive mind.

    I think we're kind of on a similar track here. The Christ/bible story can be interpreted much differently -- as a roadmap to the workings of the human body, mind, and spirit (see the work of Bill Donahue).

    I don't think ego is meant to "die" when we "cross-over" in death, and I think astral travel is the "cross-over", too. It's just that we're still connected to the physical body. For me it feels like I'm "going inward and outward" so-to-speak. I don't sense I'm a "drop". Instead, I feel like I am the entire ocean. And, it's all still me, just so much more expansive while being hyper-focused. I don't feel like I'm "going back" to something or "merging in" with some "higher power". My ego is still intact. It's the feeling of being fully aware in the "now" and knowing exactly who I am, who I've always felt I am, from as far back as I can remember. The "out-of-body" experience is exhilarating.

    When I speak of us being crystals, I mean it in a literal sense... like the quartz crystal. The quartz crystal is made up of silica (silicon dioxide, silicon–oxygen tetrahedra*) and is piezoelectric. We require silicon for bone and connective tissue health. So, in a very literal sense, I think we are living "liquid" quartz crystals that resonate and store memory/information.

    There's definitely a connection here with water and sound. During some meditative practices, people say "om". It's interesting that we say the ohm is a measure of electrical resistance...


    *compare Merkaba
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    to me this whole "go to the light" is UNKNOWN either fact or Untrue...best thing is go with Intuitive, crying out for help of benevolent beings...

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    I could not agree with this more. 14 minutes. Tony Sayers:

    Quote For the longest time within New Age arenas we are constantly being told that 'Earth is a school' and that 'we are here to learn' but is this REALLY the case?

    So much pain and suffering around us, just why do we need to go through much turmoil to learn our lessons? It makes no sense to me and for good reason. The matrix wants you back here and it wants you to feel good about it too!

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    basically go the the light in cycle or facing back against it see the universe go home...
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    When you are out of your body, well better said when I'm out of my body I can feel the intent of any others I meet. You'll know if it's loving, if it is not or if it's deception there is no hiding it. Everyone wears it on their sleeves you can't deceive or lie! The intention you had would be apparent and known by any others you meet. They'll read you and your emotions and self motivated fears as well and it's only after our own fears take over they can begin to play on your own fears but once you calm down then you read that they toy with you, much the same as spirits that haunt a house or space frequently do apparently to simply entertain themselves but once you wake into it you become just like them. Like attracts like there also so if you were deviant natured here all your time here or mostly you'll drift to that same vibe there to be with similar resonant beings and always when it's uncomfortable it's you being uncomfortable with you. We tend to want to project blame onto others but it's all internal and all reflections of the beings there shining out and like I said once you are there and you get acquainted there is not one way any being could lie to you without you seeing right through that and knowing. When you find yourself in the slums over there mentally it's only due to the fact you lived in the slums mentally here. In contrast to that if you lived bright and shining lives you vibe right to that frequency when you leave here. Hard to explain but there is nothing there to be afraid of but you.
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    If anyone want to take a very deep trip to the guts of our realm, I recommend read with attention the book called "Secret doctrines of the Tibetan book of the dead". You will know that the authentic ritual texts are intended only for lamas, even if an average guy lay their hands on it, it would be not understandable. It is about ritual and ceremonies and communicate esoteric and practical wisdom to those participating in the course of the ritual.

    The well known Tibetan book of the dead is in fact a bunch of texts (several books) of the death ritual, it will communicate knowledge about the process of dying and also about all the visions that occurs in the "bardo", there is speculations too.. explaining techniques to find a place to rebirth. Others more obscure texts consist of instructions of symbolic sacrifice to Buddhas and Goddesses/Deities (117 in total), exorcisms of demons and of course the magical ritual to guide the dead person.

    Peaceful deities and wrathful deities (read demons if you like) they are depicted in mandalas, the peaceful ones with a circle of light around and the wrathful ones with flames. Both are light.

    According to these scriptures that compose the Tibetan book of the dead, men reaches the zenith of his life at its end right in the moment of death and a short time after it.

    Here is part of the book that mentions about the light

    "There is in any case something unbelievably convincing in the Tibetan's expectations about death and the beyond and in his recognition of the highly numinous and extremely ambivalent power that manifests itself in death. The events are described with such penetrating clarity, it is as if they could not possibly be otherwise. What is certain is that considerable empathetic powers are there as well as a precognitive kind of thinking that goes beyond the everyday"

    If you rationalize the above as most western in academia will do, then you are missing the point, because the problem of death is thereby neither illuminated nor solved.

    p.s. I am looking for the part that explain in more details the guidance part that the dead receives and it seems to influence the decision of the dead in going back to uterus (following the light) or becoming something else in other planes (possibly lower planes of existence like a hungry ghost or even animal).
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    I could not agree with this more. 14 minutes. Tony Sayers:

    Quote For the longest time within New Age arenas we are constantly being told that 'Earth is a school' and that 'we are here to learn' but is this REALLY the case?

    So much pain and suffering around us, just why do we need to go through much turmoil to learn our lessons? It makes no sense to me and for good reason. The matrix wants you back here and it wants you to feel good about it too!

    This is what I think, too. Thanks for sharing. It's about looking at everything from a logical perspective.

    This is about being the "outsider". The "outsider" who questions things is always considered a threat to those living in a paradigm. People generally resist questions that raise contradictions to their status quo because it makes them feel uncomfortable. Questions raise other possibilities and that is unacceptable to those who are fearful. This is about conquering one's own fear of the "abyss". When you don't know your own power, you will be afraid and you will look outside yourself for comfort and safety. Go inside yourself, know yourself, and be the captain of your own ship.

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    "If you build it, they will come." How many people heard about other people's NDE stories prior to having their own NDE? Is it really a surprise that their stories sound "remarkably similar"? These people defend their stories as "feel good stories" when there are obvious cracks in the facade. All our lives we've been influenced/programmed without even realizing it. "When things seem darkest, there is always a light at the end of the tunnel."

    Faith, trust in authority... How many good people today still think Biden won the election fair and square? How many good people trusted the government, trusted all the propaganda, and took all their "safe and effective" shots and boosters? The people have cognitive dissonance and don't even see the manipulation and harm being perpetrated against them.

    Even Lucifer (a "fallen angel" or "angle of light", a symbolic aspect of our "lowered" energy) was the "Lightbringer", a "false guide out of the darkness".

    When it comes to discernment and "knowing", it's comforting to think that "being good" is all it takes and we just suddenly get wise when we "cross-over" without having done any inner work. Instead, we unwittingly take other's programming with us. Anyone who's experienced OBEs and has learned how to control them knows this. If we were hoodwinked on this side, there's a good chance we'll be hoodwinked on the other side. "As below, so above."



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