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    Its sounds like your where missing B12 in your diet ,because if you run out of it your death!

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    Thanks, chelmostef

    'Sole'? Was that a joke about the problems I had with walking or a typo? Either way, very kind, thank you.

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    And thank you, Mu2143

    I thought I would be getting the B12 from Spirulina. Listen, seriously - if you can tell me how to be a vegan without killing myself I would love to know!

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    I found out recently that my B12 level where getting low , but because of my very healthy diet I did not really noticed it (Blood test 2 times). I did had COD liver(should contain b12 fish) in my diet and Chlorella/Spirulina about 7 grams a day and it still was dropping. I have supped it with a Vegan b12 spray for under the tongue.

    This one I have purchased .
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    Thanks, chelmostef

    'Sole'? Was that a joke about the problems I had with walking or a typo? Either way, very kind, thank you.

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    And thank you, Mu2143

    I thought I would be getting the B12 from Spirulina. Listen, seriously - if you can tell me how to be a vegan without killing myself I would love to know!

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    Oops, double post. Sorry.

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    Sole! no pun intended just came off that way, its quite a good word though from the top right down to the soles..

    I moved to Norway with my sole mate... Arh done it again!

    But seriously its a great country and a great place to, i moved here with my girlfriend. It a bit nicer than Walthamstow were we was living before, although I did enjoy living there too.

    I have to say I been vegan for about 12 years and have many vegan friends in London and around the world.

    From what people have told me form Av1 certain blood types cannot be vegan. I understand this can be difficult if you do want to be something and cannot.

    I can only go by what I have found with me personally and that was that i first cut out fish, then meats then all animal products, although I do eat honey..

    I did that slowly and started when I was 17, some of my friends have been vegan for years. What I would say is to make sure you eat a wide variety of food to try and get a broad basis of minerals and vitamins. I have read that spirulina does have good source of B12 but is not a reliable one, for this reason I have always taken vitamin supplements not always regularly but just when I feel I have needed a boost or started to feel a bit under the weather... I have also been taking the sunshine vitamin, vitamin D and I could not recommend it enough.. I also supplement with calcium in to stop any uptake of fluoride and to make sure im not laking there either.

    I do understand that diet is a personal thing and right to eat what ever you like, but I have found that I have never felt better. I have a healthy mind (I think) and I like to think a healthy sole, I feel content with the knowledge that nothing dies from my direct action, Im a giver of life not a taker.

    The dichotomy is if people cannot be what they want to be and then we have to strive to be content within ourselves.

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    Thank you, chelmostef

    I did the vitamin D thing and the other things you mention ... but I was dying! I wish I could be a vegan again, but it seems evolution does not want that. Could I have been cleverer about it? I thought I was covering every angle. It depresses and enrages me. Animals seem to like me ... they know I have respect and compassion. I look at warm-blooded fellows who have a limbic brain like I do, and I feel a natural sense of kinship, of compassion. I won't eat then, and I will admit that I have to fight the rage I feel when I see things that go on in abattoirs. The animals humans tend to eat are about the most loving, friendly and lovely. It's perverse. I was looking in another thread a minute ago that was about people and their dogs and cats. How can we feel this way about one animal and another about a different animal? It doesn't make sense.

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    BTW, chelmostef

    I lived in Walthamstow for about a week. I found it very friendly. I played in a band there on a sort of mini 'tour'. Very hospitable people.

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    I have also read the books by Peter J. Adamo, and I must say that it all makes sense. The link between blood types and food digestion, etc. Low stomach acid for many with the blood type A is one good example that makes me think this type of blood (with its links to other inherited properties) is not meant to digest meat.

    For me, being a vegan is more about living out an ideal that I have in my mind. Humans living in nature, with the animals having no fear around us. It's a bit silly, but this image is stuck in my mind. But I also believe animals can be killed humanely, and is meant to be consumed by a certain type of human. Organic farming is a great starting point to use animals as a resource (it makes me cringe to write it, but hey...) without causing pain.

    If at one point I really needed it, I would gladly eat eggs from organic farms (that I know is legit) and meat from animals that have lived a good life without too many restrictions. In my eyes, you made the wise decision, Borden.

    I have the blood type A, by the way.

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    If you want to go back to your old diet and wanted to know if its B12 that your where missing then I suggest to take a blood test for b12 levels and then go back to your old diet for a month or 2 and do a blood test again to see if this was the cause of the problem.
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    Quote Posted by Rayne T. (here)
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    Well, speaking from my experience and a few others close to me… I/we have never been better physically as well as mentally once we stopped consuming death. I sleep a lot less (about 4 to 5 hours daily) and have plenty of energy to do all the average everyday deeds. It’s been over a decade since I’ve killed anything or eating something that clearly shows me it doesn’t want to be eating. IMO, when you live off of the Land/Earth, you are taking what mother Earth has provided for you. Meat is the flesh of animals (like you). It is not a necessity; it’s a con to keep your frequency low. Eating death/animal flesh becomes you…and your environment…due to the mentality cultivated by negative consumption. You might not see this as being wrong simply because of conditioning; you’re use to the craving and taste. You are what you eat…

    Logically, digesting negative energy can’t be good…
    We can live without it, we can easily substitute it. We are intelligent creatures who can make that choice (unlike other Earthly inhabitants). We are being tested daily in every way. It will be our commitments to pro-life, our decisions on how we co-exist with all other sentient beings that will be very important. Would you like it if some creature ate your child and/or your parents, how will that make you feel? I strongly believe the planet has been rapped of most of its vegetation (on land and in sea). This was probably done on purpose or thru a catastrophic event…causing famine and a taste for blood/flesh for all Earthly creatures. Maybe this is one of the reasons why some think we are in the last days…our way of living is not living…its hypocrisy.

    Peace
    The positive health changes you experienced sounds like the same changes I experienced when I quit the vegetarian diet, and began to add raw meat and raw fat to my diet. My energy is awesome! You say that meat is not a necessity, however I would have died without it. I don't know if you read my opening post to this thread, but I explain that.

    I disagree with you when you say that the other creatures on this planet aren't intelligent. They lack linear thought processes, but they are actually quite intelligent. They have "knowing" rather than collected information. This is something we need more of.

    Actually I don't eat meat because of conditioning, but because of what I have experienced and learned. I was vegetarian before I changed over to the primal diet, so my conditioning was for vegetarianism.

    I have a different but similar belief to yours....I believe that we are being steered toward vegetarianism because of it's detrimental health effects. Beans, grains, nuts, and seeds - the vegetarian sources of proteins are all difficult to digest and lead to debilitating disease. "They" don't care whether you are vegan or not as long as you are eating unhealthy food that will eventually destroy your mind and body. In fact, it seems obvious to me that when it comes to the abuse and pollution going on in factory farms, "they" are being quite opportunistic. Get the public clamoring to end the abuse and pollution so that they can take away an extremely healthy source of food - meat. Not saying that factory farmed meat is healthy. I am saying that they will use that to get all meat eating banned.
    Hi there, Rayne T...

    I see where you're coming from...and going.

    I used to play football, so I was always a health nut. What I and a few others I know experienced was more of a mental spiritual lifting when we decided to end our flesh eating.

    I remember being told that spirits from the highest realm come to talk to you but they are hesitant when you have a certain type of energy signature…meaning the negative energy in the consumption of death/flesh. This is real to me because I’ve been involved in and witnessed some very negative things before my transition. Now I’m experiencing some beautiful things in life, my body is going through some unexplainable changes (heightened senses and possibly unlocking dormant abilities). My mind has become so vivid that most of my thoughts seem to need a complex language to explain them.

    When ever I smell cooked flesh it’s nauseating. Eating flesh will most certainly make me sick because my body is cleansed of it. All my body’s cells are re-new and not one of them needs a pinch of meat to operate to their full potential.

    Mostly every report giving to the masses from the FDA or any controlled institution are filled with lies. All they want to do is make you sick so they can drug you. They tell you what your body needs instead of you listening to it yourself. None of this is Rocket science…people just need to trust themselves…I can’t say that enough.

    My body tells me the truth not some person who has never met me or done any health test on me. I don’t need someone with selfish plans to inform me on how to take care of myself. My mind, body and soul are thankful for that. What I write here is my testimony; but, it might mean something to someone who is considering a change in their energy field.

    I know animals are intelligent species; it’s unfortunate that most humans don’t have the capacity or patience to learn from them.

    As I said in an earlier post I’m prepared to die before I put another piece of dead flesh inside God’s temple. Death is no stranger to me. Seen it and almost became it. I don’t fear it one bit because we will meet in due time…so I will live in complete LIFE until then. Fear is not a part of me; I actually despise (lack of a better word) cowards, because they hinder the WHOLE by being hesitant in doing their part. Maybe people have too much fear because that is part of the energy they consume from meat….how were the animals feeling before they were killed for food? I actually feel sorry for the ones that do fear death...they will have no problem taking another innocent life just to save their own, when it probably should be the other way around. The global conditioning has been efficient…as well as damaging.

    We are only going to be living for a minute, so I’ve learned to not fear the inevitable. Life here is temporary, my existence out of this body matters more to me than what I do while occupying it,temporarily. In other words…this is part of my preparation for that unavoidable journey outside of the meat suit we’re currently carrying. So, I’m glad for my being as you should be for yours…

    I’m not here to convince anyone, but to leave something to ponder for those that are interested. After all…the choice has always been yours…that’s what this school called Earth is all about…

    Peace

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    would just like to add a couple things here. i've never been to a restaurant and seen death on the menu. or negative energy. or fear. they're called STEAKS. or CHICKEN BREASTS. i'm not inhaling the scared soul of a cow, so please, enough of the pseudo-spiritual esoteria. i've never eaten a steak and suddenly felt petrified. ive never oink-oinked in terror after enjoying a pork chop. ive never cuckle doodle do'd and ran from an invisible butcher after a dinner of chicken breasts. if you enjoy a vegetarian diet, great. but please stop trying to equate meat eaters with Hitler. thank you.

    Peace of Mind, you're prepared to die before you put meat in your body because your particular body does not require meat to be healthy. if it did, you'd be singing a different tune. i'm not scared of death either, but i am scared of SUFFERING. having experienced quite a bit of it myself, and having worked in several hospitals, i believe i have the authority to speak on it. the thing is, most people don't just die immediate;y. they suffer mightily, for months and years, wasting away on hospital beds, battling bed sores, *****ing themselves, and losing their dignity in the process. are you suggesting that a cancer patient whose body requried meat to heal should instead waste away for years under this misguided notion of vegetarian spiritual heroism? would he be a "coward" if he decided to save his life by consuming meat? would you "despise" him for doing so? careful, my friend, those are pretty strong words you're using there.

    you sound passionate about your vegetarian stance, and i admire that. just please, check the judgements at the mat.

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    Quote Posted by Sowelu (here)

    Cats and dogs could eat raw meat as their stomachs contain harsh acids that ours don't.
    I agree with all you said there Sowelu and I LOVE your avatar!

    But I must disagree with the statement above.

    Humans have Hydrochloric acid (HCL) in their stomachs. You can't get a more potent while still biologically-compatible acid. It's a VERY VERY strong acid.
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    i'm not inhaling the scared soul of a cow, so please, enough of the pseudo-spiritual esoteria. i've never eaten a steak and suddenly felt petrified. ive never oink-oinked in terror after enjoying a pork chop.
    Im sorry but their are many tradtions were they consume the flesh, heart and brains to gain some sort of power... And even credo mutwa ate alien flesh to gain some sort of power he nearly died, but ate it to gain a connection

    Quote Credo Mutwa: I said, sir, the Grey aliens are edible.

    Martin: Yes, I heard that and I’m anxious to....

    Credo Mutwa: Their flesh is protein, just as animal flesh on Earth is, but, anyone who ingests Grey alien flesh comes very, very close to death. I nearly did.

    You see, in Lesotho there is a mountain called Laribe; it is called the Crying Stone mountain. On several occasions, in the last 50 years or so, alien craft have crashed against this mountain.

    And one last incident was reported in the newspapers not so long ago. An African who believes that these creatures are gods, when they find the corpse of a dead Grey alien, they take it, put it in a bag, and drag it into the bush, where they dismember it and ritually eat it. But some of them die as a result of ingesting that thing.

    About a year before I had the experience from the Inyangani Mountains, I had been given, by a friend of mine in Lesotho, flesh from what he called a sky god. I was skeptical.

    He gave me a small lump of grey, rather dry stuff, which he said was the flesh. And he and I and his wife ritually ate this thing, one night. After we had eaten this thing, sir, on the following day, exactly, our bodies erupted into a rash which was like nothing I had experienced in my life before.

    Our bodies were so full of the rash and urticaria, it was as if we had small pox. We itched, the itching was horrible, especially under the arm-pits and between the legs, and the buttocks. Our tongues began to swell. We could not breathe. And for a number of days, my friend, his wife and I were totally helpless, secretly attended by initiates who were studying under my friend, who was a shaman.

    I came very close to death. There was bleeding from nearly every orifice in our body. We passed blood, much blood when we went to the toilet. We could barely walk, barely breathe. And after about 4 or 5 days, the rash subsided, then the pealing of the skin took its place now. Our skins began to peal, in scales like that of a snake shedding it’s skin.

    Sir, it was one of the most terrible experiences I had undergone. In fact, when I began to feel better, I think that my being abducted by the Mantindane was the direct result of my having ingested flesh from one of these creatures. I had not believed that what my friend was giving me was flesh from a creature. I assumed it was some kind of root or herb or whatever. But, afterwards, I recalled the taste of the thing. It had a coppery taste, and had the same type of smell that I was to encounter in 1959.

    And, after the rash went down-while I was still peeling and we were smeared from head to foot with coconut oil by the initiates, every day-a strange change came over us, sir, which I am asking all people of knowledge who would read this in your country to try and explain to me. We went crazy, sir, utterly crazy.

    We started laughing like real loony tunes. It was ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha, day after day-for the slightest things we started laughing our heads off, for hours, until you were nearly exhausted.

    And then the laughing went away; and then a strange thing happened, a thing which my friend said was the goal which those who ate the flesh of a Mantindane wanted to achieve.

    It was as if we had ingested a strange substance, a drug, a drug like no other on this Earth. Suddenly, our feelings were heightened.

    When you drank water, it was as if you had drunk a wine of some kind. Water became as delicious as a man-made drink. Food began to taste amazingly. Every feeling was heightened, and it’s indescribable-it was as if I was one with the very heart of the universe. I cannot describe it any other way.

    And this feeling of amazing intensity of feeling lasted for over 2 months. When I listened to music, it was as if there was music behind the music, behind the music. When I painted pictures-which is what I do for a living-and when I was holding a particular color on the tip of my brush, it was as if there were other colors in that color. It was an indescribable thing, sir. Even now I cannot describe it. But let me now, sir, go to something else.
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    Chinaski,

    If you don’t believe what I have to say that’s cool with me. And I’m definitely not going to tell you what to do. I’m just providing some insight to those that are interested. It’s not hard for me to see why you and others are dealing with certain health issues. If you think you need meat then you will…it’s really that simple. I don’t believe “I need to eat another animal or I’ll die.” If you want to, fine. I’m sure many don’t.
    I’m speaking on behalf of the animals, and maybe some that are against flesh eating because of what it does (as I explained). I hope you do know at the time of these animals death they excrete toxins into the blood…which the flesh is soaked in, right?

    Peace of Mind, you're prepared to die before you put meat in your body because your particular body does not require meat to be healthy. if it did, you'd be singing a different tune.
    I highly doubt that. Besides, I’m not really impressed with the current state of the world to make such a selfish sacrifice anyway. So the idea of death would be more inviting than you know. I’m sure my ideas of death are very different than yours.
    i'm not scared of death either, but i am scared of SUFFERING. having experienced quite a bit of it myself, and having worked in several hospitals, i believe i have the authority to speak on it. the thing is, most people don't just die immediate;y. they suffer mightily, for months and years, wasting away on hospital beds, battling bed sores, *****ing themselves, and losing their dignity in the process.


    Are you even sure the doctors aren’t the ones making people sick? I wonder how many of them people know how to heal themselves, most not be many because they wouldn’t be in there in the first place. The healthcare industry is more of a biz than a lifeline. Learn to heal your body by meditation. The body is a magnificent machine. Meds don’t heal; they only assist you in tolerating the pain while the body does the rest (placebo). Pain is in the mind, its only there to tell you that there is something wrong, control the mind and you will control the pain.
    There are (very graphic) vids on youtube showing a few Muslims tolerance to pain. They stick knives thru their arms, neck, mouths, and tongues. There is even one scene where one guy lodged a machete in the top of one of his brother’s head. All this was done while they sang and dance. It was a bloody display but very educational.

    are you suggesting that a cancer patient whose body requried meat to heal should instead waste away for years under this misguided notion of vegetarian spiritual heroism? would he be a "coward" if he decided to save his life by consuming meat? would you "despise" him for doing so? careful, my friend, those are pretty strong words you're using there.

    Again, I don’t buy the “need meat to live” theories, there are substitutes. Even the "so called" need for b12 can be found in dirt, sea plants and a can of RedBull (if you trust the FDA)…not to mentioned supplements. But I do not recommend drugs of any kind to people, I can’t even remember the last time I was sick.

    you sound passionate about your vegetarian stance, and i admire that. just please, check the judgements at the mat.

    Do you really see my post as being judgmental? I don’t waste time posting nonsense, and I rarely engage in small talk because there is little time for that. Every post I make here is from the heart, my intentions are pure. Sorry to see how sensitive you are about this, just imagine how the animals feel…

    I doubt I’ll respond to this thread again, there really isn’t anything else to add on the subject, My post are not personal, if you take them that way…maybe you need to re-read them and/or reflect on them a bit longer. Then re-read yours. The problem might be closer than you originally thought.

    Live well...

    Peace

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    Really you haven't sat down to a meat meal and thought with pleasure of the bolt entering the cows head, as you chewed and savored. Or the way a chickens head makes little snap, while sinking your teeth into a fat thigh and shivering with sensation? Writhed in an orgy of delight because you are consuming some hapless animal.

    No? Didn't think so. Me either.

    Mind you many the moralist vegans have probably never consciously harvested anything, reseeded or replanted what they've taken from the earth. Most of them have no idea what destruction that even organic farming can cause. The ones that do 'get' the sacredness of what the earth has given to us and doesn't seek to make such divisionary thoughts.

    It doesn't matter. Those who seek self value in material things will find one spiritual snobbery and another will always find a way to trump it. Spiritual One up manship. I can't wait till a fruitarian shows up and piously admits to not eating anything unless it was fallen from the tree. Now they make the vegans look like rank sinners...




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    Peace of Mind, you're prepared to die before you put meat in your body because your particular body does not require meat to be healthy. if it did, you'd be singing a different tune. i'm not scared of death either, but i am scared of SUFFERING. having experienced quite a bit of it myself, and having worked in several hospitals, i believe i have the authority to speak on it. the thing is, most people don't just die immediate;y. they suffer mightily, for months and years, wasting away on hospital beds, battling bed sores, *****ing themselves, and losing their dignity in the process. are you suggesting that a cancer patient whose body requried meat to heal should instead waste away for years under this misguided notion of vegetarian spiritual heroism? would he be a "coward" if he decided to save his life by consuming meat? would you "despise" him for doing so? careful, my friend, those are pretty strong words you're using there.

    you sound passionate about your vegetarian stance, and i admire that. just please, check the judgements at the mat.[/QUOTE]

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    I can't wait for a Cow/ a pig / some chickens / and fish show up too. And I also wouldn't mind if some vegatation chimed in...

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    Quote Chinaski originally posted:

    would just like to add a couple things here. i've never been to a restaurant and seen death on the menu. or negative energy. or fear. they're called STEAKS. or CHICKEN BREASTS. i'm not inhaling the scared soul of a cow, so please, enough of the pseudo-spiritual esoteria. i've never eaten a steak and suddenly felt petrified. ive never oink-oinked in terror after enjoying a pork chop. ive never cuckle doodle do'd and ran from an invisible butcher after a dinner of chicken breasts. if you enjoy a vegetarian diet, great. but please stop trying to equate meat eaters with Hitler. thank you.
    would just like to add a couple things here.

    i'v never read any newspaper and saw any 'rulling elites' that controll the world,or sensed any negetive energy or fear thrown at me from the royal family or the vatican.they are called KINGS AND QUEENS or HIGHLY RELIGIOUS PEOPLE. i'm not affected from the advertisments on television,so please,enough of the pseudo-conspirational so called 'agenda'.
    i have never listened to George Bush giving a speech and suddenly felt petrified.i have never oink-oinked in terror after being checked by scanners machines at the airport (after all its for my own security).i have never ran from an invisible 'man in black' that are part of some secret organisation.if you enjoy conspiracy theories,great. but please stop trying to equate senior politicians and leaders who try to do their best to some kind of satanists...thank you.

    (sigh) Why,oh why can't we just see (or feel)...

    *sorry my friend chinaski,please dont take it personal
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    Default Re: The Raw Primal Diet vs Vegetarianism

    Peace of Mind,

    thanks for the reply.

    people that require meat to survive do not view this as a philosphy or belief. its a fact, whether you buy into it or not. they've tried all the alternatives and they didn't work. meat did.

    i'm not really a sensitive guy, but i take issue with words like "coward" when applied to meat eaters. and "despising" meat eaters etc...these words are...well...judgemental. hard not to take it personally. no additional "reflection" required on my part.

    as far as the medical system being harmful, well, icouldn't agree with you more! see, we do agree on something lol!

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    thanks for that post chelmostef. interesting article. i seem to remember reading that or seeing that in a video somewhere.

    well i sort of agree with you. i eat meat(particul;arly organ meat) to feel power. i equate power and vitality with health.

    as far as credo....well, look, even credo eats meat!!! no, but seriously, i would guesss that his reaction had more to do with the chemical composition of the grey being than karma/negative energy/fear/ eating its soul etc...you might have similiar symptoms from LSD, right?

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    9eagle9 you're hilarious! the fruit people lol! well, i wouldn't be surprided one bit, honestly.

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    Quote Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
    The ones that do 'get' the sacredness of what the earth has given to us and doesn't seek to make such divisionary thoughts.
    If its any consolation i tried my very hardest to stay out of this thread for exactly the reason you have stated.

    It seems I do what I do to make myself happy and content. But by me denying and abstaining myself from something it clearly upsets you.... I am very sorry for this and I apologize if you feel I have judged you in any way.

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    Quote Posted by LIMOR (here)
    Quote Chinaski originally posted:

    would just like to add a couple things here. i've never been to a restaurant and seen death on the menu. or negative energy. or fear. they're called STEAKS. or CHICKEN BREASTS. i'm not inhaling the scared soul of a cow, so please, enough of the pseudo-spiritual esoteria. i've never eaten a steak and suddenly felt petrified. ive never oink-oinked in terror after enjoying a pork chop. ive never cuckle doodle do'd and ran from an invisible butcher after a dinner of chicken breasts. if you enjoy a vegetarian diet, great. but please stop trying to equate meat eaters with Hitler. thank you.
    would just like to add a couple things here.

    i'v never read any newspaper and saw any 'rulling elites' that controll the world,or sensed any negetive energy or fear thrown at me from the royal family or the vatican.they are called KINGS AND QUEENS or HIGHLY RELIGIOUS PEOPLE. i'm not effected from the advertisments on television,so please,enough of the pseudo-conspirational so called 'agenda'.
    i have never listened to George Bush giving a speech and suddenly felt petrified.i have never oink-oinked in terror after being checked by scanners machines at the airport (after all its for my own security).i have never ran from an invisible 'man in black' that are part of some secret organisation.if you enjoy conspiracy theories,great. but please stop trying to equate senior politicians and leaders who try to do their best to some kind of satanists...thank you.

    (sigh) Why,oh why can't we just see (or feel)...

    *sorry my friend chinaski,please dont take it personal
    hi limor, no worries. i don't take it personal at all. i thought it was a clever response, actually lol!

    as far as my similiar comments, i was really attempting sarcasm(perhaps unsuccessfully) to make a point.

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