WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

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[Fellow Aspirant]

Why hello there, Bill. I didn't expect a response from your own self! Last I read you had consigned my sorry butt to the tender mercies of your resident pet troll, the Russian tornado of anger and invective. Nice to have your personal attention again, my friend.

Putting aside your tone of derision and condescension, (Your use of the rolling, laughing emoticon is really beneath you, Bill. It's more in keeping with a smirking high school bully, and is especially revealing when sat beside a personal confession like "I thought not".) It's no wonder that you no longer have members that offer opposing views - any that might wish to post such ideas self censure, not wanting to be attacked as heretics. Your scathing ridicule is blunt but effective.

I note that rather than debate the legitimacy of facts or engage with opinions, your criticisms deflect thought and tend to align with those of the Chinese state, when it lashes out at perceived slights or actions by nation states that have come afoul of the Party's plan for global domination. That is the same formula that the Communists have been following since the Long March: advise the offender that s/he is thinking incorrectly, and to immediately correct their thinking by imposing a program of re-education. By that, they mean of course, to made to fall into step with the ideology of the party before negative effects make themselves known. Once the offending country is thinking correctly, it will see the light and agree with the Party. Just as Orwell's Great Leader eventually broke poor Winston's mind and he fell completely in love with the regime that pursued a vision where a hob-nailed boot would be stomping on the face of humanity, forever.

Not a pretty image, for sure.

However, I am unrepentant, so far, anyway, and shall refuse to be indoctrinated into the particular Russian propaganda that has taken over your world view. Yes, I'm acquainted with the sources you recommend for education, despite your insulting depictions of my impoverished mind. I find that some of the sources you mention are pretty "on the mark" with some of their analysis, and some are hopelessly lost down the rabbit hole of one organized conspiracy plot or another. Some, like A. Jones, have slid into the Qanon miasma. Some have a past of legitimate commentary, and some hold views that partially line up with my own. They are all, however, amateurs at what they do, most having become "political analysts" or "citizen journalists" later in life, when they have exhausted more than a few options at odd jobs or small business start-ups. They have attained audiences online, though, and are fluent enough and smooth enough that they are able to weave suspicion and skepticism into conspiracies that capture a lot of minds. Writing from afar, they claim to understand the truth about the war, even though they have never visited a Ukraine struggling valiantly to survive. At least the Ukrainian "propagandists" are living their truth. As such, they deserve more respect than any of the media pundits who you are happy to see as experts, and who only fill that description on the basis of their own say-so.

I had thought that you would find no quibble with the videos of Russian dissenters who were speaking their thoughts on video and had been translated. It appears I was wrong in expecting that. Even their own words condemning the failing Russian war effort are, in your thinking, illegitimate. Why? Because I used them on your forum? Is it impossible for you to brook any dissent? Is that why you will not engage with the merits of the opposing views - because there really isn't an opposing side worthy of consideration, owing to your truth that everything that you don't believe is lies? What good is having a super power like "discernment" if it's not exercised? How do you expect to ever become aware if you consume only cherries picked from the same tree?

As far as content theme goes for your "experts", they all share a steadfast, core belief in some version of the Anglo-Saxon Mission, just as you do. The resultant anti-Western bias has lead all of you down a branch of reality that rarely overlaps onto mine. You and your followers on Project Avalon and all of the sources that you follow were ripe for Putin's pickin', and you are now in his basket.

Far from displaying any of your vaunted "discernment", you have been able to turn virtually any fact or event into "proof" of Putin's genius or his enemies' perfidy. Your structured echo chamber of "trustworthy" sources that reinforce one another with their own consistent premises, acting as a filter that prevents you from glimpsing even a glimmer of the light of truth.

And it's not your fault, really. Your predilections toward distrusting Western machinations were the perfect set-up for Putin's vast machine of thought influence. Just look at any of Masha's posts and see how she pounds on the necessity of proper thought. Not researching facts for the truth, but on throwing over all of your preconceptions about your country and world. Sounds like sage advice, except that she only offers Putin's thinking as a substitute. The more guilty she makes you feel, the more likely you are to adopt her ideas. Old stuff.

Many years ago, Carol Clark informed me that you and I could both learn from one another. I didn’t think that I had a role to play in helping you (and probably still don’t, but I must give it a shot). But then I watched in disbelief how, over the course of just a few years, you discovered one Donald J. Trump and threw your influence over into his camp, getting deeper and deeper into what is now a verifiable cult. You were so utterly convinced that he was going to be the saviour of humanity that I didn’t say anything.

However, your support for the Putin regime has taken you into even darker waters. To be blind to policies that involve poisoning one’s enemies, shooting them on the street in cold blood, having dissenters thrown from high windows, taking away the human rights of gays and transgenders, imprisoning citizens for 15 years for using the word “war” to refer to his “Special Military Operation”, reassuring the world for two years that he “had no intention” of invading Ukraine – up to 24 hours before he unleashed his forces to do just that … the list of autocratic fascism is lengthy and bloody. And that doesn’t even go into the war crimes and crimes against humanity that he has been charged with, including international child smuggling. I see no possibility of misunderstanding Putin’s behaviour as being anything but pure evil. Why do you continue to stand in this monster's camp?

May you one day come to an understanding about the truth of the devastation in Ukraine, including the reason for it. It requires nothing so subtle as discernment.

My words and my opinions are just as accurate as any found anywhere else on this forum. Your failure to recognize this demonstrates amply that this is not a place open for the discussion of opposing ideas and opinions. It is a closed club whose members must adhere to delimited premises and beliefs. Failure to do so begs personal attacks on intelligence, insults, derision and disrespect, as I have found.

Such a disappointment, Bill.

Namaste,

Brian

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[Tintin]

To many of us here, as already shared on the thread before, the existence of this list is very well known. Eva Bartlett and Scott Ritter have already shared their experiences in writing. Now David Miller provides his informed view, and research results.

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"Of course, the defamatory attacks encourage an atmosphere where social media threats can be made. But the issue of Nazism in Ukraine will be seen in retrospect as a defining issue of our era and it is important to remember that the reason I and many others are threatened by the Ukraine government and their NATO backers is because we in turn threaten to expose them for what they are: Nazi collaborators."

- David Miller

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“INDEPENDENT” UKRAINIAN “KILL LIST” ACTUALLY RUN BY KIEV, BACKED BY WASHINGTON

Source: MintPress News
Publication date: May 12th, 2023

Late last year, my name was added to a blacklist published online by the Ukraine Center for Countering Disinformation. I joined over ninety others deemed to be “speakers who promote narratives consonant with Russian propaganda.“

These included Manuel Pineda and Clare Daly, both leftist Members of the European Parliament (MEP); Also counted are people on the right, such as Doug Bandow of the Cato Institute, neocon and former IDF officer Edward Luttwak, a slew of rightist MEPs; Ex CIA officer, Ray McGovern; former military and intelligence figures such as Scott Ritter and Douglas McGregor, as well as academics such as John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs. Journalists on the list included Glenn Greenwald, Tucker Carlson and Eva Bartlett, Roger Waters from Pink Floyd, and even actor Steven Seagal.


Девід Міллер, Журналіст = David Miller, Journalist – in Ukrainian

What was my crime? It said my “pro-Russian narrative” was claiming that “NATO’s proxy war with Russia is taking place in Ukraine”. Of course, a NATO proxy war is exactly what is happening there, as this article will only further confirm.

The listing helpfully provided a link with the evidence, an article I wrote for Mayadeen English called “How disinformation works: Western intelligence agencies global war on the left.” It contained a single, 176-word paragraph on Ukraine titled “‘Russian Disinformation’ or Ukrainian lies?” It recounted several examples of Ukrainian misinformation and concluded that “Anyone who mentions any particular truth is derided for echoing Putin’s ‘talking points’.” In the event I was actually denounced (Ed. Newsweek article) as an “information terrorist” who might be guilty of “war crimes.”

Being added to the blacklist concentrates the mind wonderfully on the forces ranged against the possibility of truth and justice in the crisis-ridden West. When I was first accused, over a decade ago now, of antisemitism, my response was to intensify my research and writing activities on the organizations involved in defaming me. Since then I have produced a long catalog of work on the Zionist movement as well as on Western propaganda activities. Of course, the defamatory attacks encourage an atmosphere where social media threats can be made. But the issue of Nazism in Ukraine will be seen in retrospect as a defining issue of our era and it is important to remember that the reason I and many others are threatened by the Ukraine government and their NATO backers is because we in turn threaten to expose them for what they are: Nazi collaborators.

THE NATO-BACKED KILL LIST

But what is the Center for Countering Disinformation? It is an official governmental body created in late March 2021, along with a similar organization, the Center for Strategic Communication, by President Zelensky himself. But are they related to other blacklisting websites like Myrotvorets (“Peacemaker”), widely seen as a “kill list”? Peeling back the layers of cover and deception enables us to trace the origins of the kill list, which is still being hosted in Ukraine.

As it turns out, the covert “kill list” website is a product of the Ukraine regime, effectively funded by the CIA (amongst others) and is hosted by NATO. One extraordinary thing is that many American citizens, including ex-military and intelligence operatives, are included, as well as a significant number of citizens of NATO member countries. Perhaps the most remarkable element is that NATO has hosted the site (and a collection of affiliated websites) on its servers in Brussels. At the same time as NATO think tank the Atlantic Council boasts that Henry Kissinger is on its Board of Directors, NATO also hosts a kill list website on which Kissinger appears.



Don’t believe me? Let’s take a look.

Let’s start with the kill list website itself, Myrotvorets. Today it is located at Myrotvorets.center, but it was originally at psb4ukr.org. That domain was first registered on 14 August 2014, some six months after the U.S.-backed Maidan coup that overthrew the democratically elected government of Viktor Yanukovych. Other similar domain names were later logged for the group, including the following (date of first registration in brackets):

• Psb-news.org (3 April 2015)
• Psb4ukr.ninja (19 April 2015)
• Psb4ukr.net (7 May 2015)
• Psbr4ukr.xyz (8 November 2015)
• Report2psb.online (19 August 2017)

These were used either as mirror sites, as digest news from the site, or, in the case of the last one, a form for reporting suspects. The Myrotvorets.center domain name was first registered on 7 November 2015 and the site was live by February 2016.

Three people are associated with these domains and they provide valuable clues to who and what was involved in the kill list site. They are:

• Victor/Viktor Garbar is a longstanding Maidan activist and co-ordinator of the Maidan Monitoring Information Center. He was the first registrant of a Myrotvorets domain name in August 2014 – psb4ukr.org. He had previously owned the domain of Maidan Monitoring from 2001 – maidanua.org (now located at maidan.org.ua). The group has been in existence since before the so called “Orange Revolution” in 2004. It was, of course, funded by the National Endowment for Democracy the foundation known as the “CIA sidekick” and the International Renaissance Fund, the Ukraine branch of the Open Society Foundation run by George Soros.

• Vladimir/Volodymyr Kolesnikov is a webmaster and developer. He has never given any public indication that he is affiliated with Myrotvorets. Among the links to the kill list are that a domain he owns (free-sevastopol.com) now redirects to Myrotvorets.center and he registered psb-news.org which is devoted to Myrotvorets news.

• Oksana/Oxana Tinko was the first to register the domain Myrotvorets.center and she also registered several others related to the kill list project such as Psb4ukr.ninja, Psb4ukr.net and Psbr4ukr.xyz

OPERATION BUTTERFLY – THE PROTOTYPE KILL LIST

Tinko is also the registrant of a series of domains that appear to be components of the Myrotvorets project and one that appears to have been a prototype. It is particularly stark in its intention to use the website to kill traitors or “terrorists”. The domain Metelyk.org was first claimed on 21 July 2014, three weeks before the first Myrotvorets domain. Metelyk is the Ukrainian word for Butterfly. The website titled Operation Butterfly was online by late August 2014, the first holdings in the Internet Archive are from the 27th of that month.


Operation "Butterfly" website

Website FAQs make it clear that it considers calling “for separatism or changes in the constitutional system” a crime. The site states the necessity “to take appropriate measures in the event that the court, the police, the SBU, or the prosecutor’s office is trying to release terrorists and their accomplices from the arms of the law”. The FAQs are even more explicit on what is meant by “appropriate measures.”

Q: Last question: why “Butterfly”?

A: The site’s logo features a butterfly known as the “deadhead hawk”. In Latin, it has the name Acherontia atropos, where the first word comes from the name of the river in the realm of the dead in ancient Greek mythology, and the second is the name of the goddess of fate, who cuts the thread of human life. This symbolism should remind the enemies of Ukraine that their fate currently hangs on a very thin thread, and we will do everything to break this thread.

In late 2014 another associated site – Operativ.info – was in action calling for information about saboteurs and terrorists and threatening that if disinformation was detected, they would “regard these actions as assistance to terrorists and take measures against disinformers”. Revealingly the Operativ.info site was labeled as a project of InformNapalm at this stage.

Myrotvorets lists thousands of “saboteurs”, “separatists”, “terrorists” and “traitors”. Sometimes, it has crossed out their photographs once they had been killed, with the label “liquidated”. This, for instance, happened after the murder of Daria Dugina in Moscow in August 2022. Today the Myrotvorets site houses links to two other domains which appear to be integral parts of the operation. One – ordilo.org – is titled “STORAGE OF INFORMATION ABOUT CRIMES AGAINST UKRAINE”. The other – identigraf.center – allows various categories of users to submit images of individuals for facial recognition scanning. Tinko registered both domains.

THE NATO CONNECTION

Kolesnikov and Tinko were successive registrants on Natocdn.work (from March 11, 2015). Tinko registered a follow on domain Natocdn.net (28 January 2019). These obscure-sounding web addresses were used to host the files needed for the Myrotvorets site as can be seen by examining the “page source”(right-click in Chrome and select “View page source”) on the site including in versions held in the Internet Archive. The first domain name (.work) was previously used to host both the original and succeeding Myrotvorets web sites. Thus it is in the page source on psb4ukr.org on 15 December 2015 just before the launch of the myrotvorets.center website, and is in the latter page source when it was first captured in the internet archive on 25 February 2016. The archive also shows that the latter domain was later hosted via Natocdn.net.

The letters CDN perhaps refer to a Content Delivery Network, a device to speed up the delivery of web pages when they are searched from an otherwise remote location, such as the California based name servers also used by the site. In fact, the Natocdn.net domain is hosted at none other than the official website NATO.int, based at its headquarters in Brussels.



Source - Ukrainian WEB resorces hosted by NATO

Back on 17 April 2015, several interested people had also tracked the original web address (psb4ukr.org) directly to nato.int without the intermediary “CDN” domain suggesting that Myrotvorets had been hosted there from near the beginning. Other IP history records show that the Operation Butterfly domain discussed above was also hosted on psb4ukr.nato.int, as were two other sites:

• zoperativ.info which we noted above was part of the Myrotvorets operation;
• informnapalm.org

The latter was described “as anti-Russian propaganda site.” While this is certainly true, that designation seriously underestimates the importance of that domain in this story, as we shall see.

A day or so after this exposure in April 2015, Oxsana Tinko registered a new site for the project: psb4ukr.ninja. Perhaps foolishly, perhaps in an attempt to lean into the disclosure, she gave her location as Estonia and her company as NATO CCDCOE – the NATO Cooperative Cyber Defense Center of Excellence. For added authenticity, she used the correct street address and phone number.



The NATO center quickly put out a statement denying any link, reading:

n fact, the Centre of Excellence has absolutely no connection with the site mentioned… Oxana Tinko … has no affiliation whatsoever with the NATO Cooperative Cyber Defence Centre of Excellence… [She] appear[s] to have hijacked the Centre’s public information and we are taking steps to get the false information removed

It is also noteworthy, however, that a Ukraine Ministry of Defense psyops Powerpoint from 2015, leaked in the same month of that year (April), refers to the NATO cyber center as one of seven Western groups with which it had “cooperation”.

Nevertheless, the link to the NATO servers remained in the page source of the Myrotvorets websites. It was not until the NATO connection became an issue again in late August 2022 that anything was done about this. This was after Henry Kissinger had been added to the site in May. Then on August 24, independent journalist Eva Bartlett (who was named on both the Myrotvorets and Center for Countering Disinformation lists) reported that the page source code for Myrotvorets included links to resources held at psb4ukr.natocdn.net. Later, on October 14, she drew attention to the fact that Elon Musk had been listed on the site briefly after he threatened not to continue supplying his Starlink system to the Ukraine military for free. Musk responded “Is this list real?” Within eight days the page source links to natocdn.net were gone.



More than one hundred links to natocdn.net were still there on October 21, 2022 at 22:35 but were all gone by the next morning at 09:14. Even after the incriminating text was removed, however, IP tracking sites show the domain natocdn.net is still, at the time of writing (Archive version), mounted on servers at NATO headquarters in Brussels. In fact, many of the image files used to make up the site are still hosted at that URL including the gory front page collage of alleged dead Russian soldiers. (Archive version) (Ed. Warning graphic)

But what of Informnapalm.org – the other site which appears to have been hosted on nato.int? The evidence suggests that Myrotvorets is a project of InformNapalm.

INFORMNAPALM AS A UKRAINE MINISTRY OF DEFENSE “SPECIAL PROJECT”

InformNapalm presents itself as a volunteer-run intelligence service. But this is a deception. A Ukrainian Ministry of Defense PowerPoint presentation leaked in 2015 refers to it as a “special project” of the ministry, along with a number of others who themselves stand in need of further investigation.



Corroborating information comes in the form of the identity of the person who registered the domain name informnapalm.org – the aforementioned Vladimir Kolesnikov on March 29 2014, six months before the first of the kill list domains were registered. Kolesnikov is the webmaster of InformNapalm. His Linkedin page describes his involvement with InformNapalm as beginning as a “translator” in February 2014, graduating to System Administrator in March 2014 and DevOps engineer in April 2014. Helpfully Vladimir lists another “volunteering” role from February 2014 with the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine.

This role involved: “participation in information operations in the interests of the anti-terrorist operation in Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts, and assistance in counteraction to information aggression by the Russian Federation.” Myrotvorets is, therefore, a project of InformNaplam which is, in turn, a ”special project” of the Ministry of Defense.


Volodymyr Kolesnykov | LinkedIn page

Other links between the two projects include that Oksana Tinko, in registering the domain Myrotverots.center, used her informnapalm.org email address. On her Facebook page she claims to have worked at InformNapalm since March 2014. This conforms to the detail in data released by the Russian hacking group Cyber-Berkut which showed that Tinko had become an admin on the Operativ.info and informnapalm.org sites on March 29 2014.


Oksana Tinko on Facebook | Source

Tinko is fond of displaying Nazi and Banderite imagery on her social media. There is a swastika on her Github page and her Facebook profile features a background with the red and black colors of Bandera and a star of David together with a reptilian dressed as an orthodox Jew.

The journalist George Eliason who excavated much of the story of InformNapalm reports that the people involved are “mostly Pravy Sektor” (Right Sector), in other words far right supporters of Stepan Bandera. Pravy Sektor uses the red and black colors of Bandera in its flag, just as Tinko does on her Facebook profile. In late 2019 Myrotvorets proudly displayed a portrait of Bandera on its homepage to mark the Nazi collaborator’s birthday.


“January 1 — Stepan Andriyovych Bandera’s birthday“

In the early days of the Myrotvorets project the InformNapalm logo was prominently displayed. It was still there on May 13, 2016, but was gone by August of that year. This may have been because of its publication of the list of thousands of journalists’ names which caused significant backlash and led to a statement that “taking into account the reaction… the Center ‘Peacemaker’ made a difficult decision to close the site.” The site did not shutter, however. By 2017, Myrotvorets continued to boast of its links with InformNapalm, stating:

Volunteers of the Ukrainian Cyber Alliance (UCA), the intelligence community InformNapalm and the Peacemaker Center publish their research based on information contained in the mail of terrorists and Russian authorities.

As this passage highlights, all three organizations worked closely together.


InformNapalm logo 2014 and 2023 – showing how it has tried to mellow its image.

It would appear that InformNapalm is the parent or coordinating body for an evolving team of pro-Ukrainian hackers, researchers, journalists and devotees of the far right. InformNapalm claims that: “We mostly rely on open sources and widely employ different OSINT methods of information gathering. We also receive some information from insiders (HUMINT) and hacktivists.” It also claims: “InformNapalm does not participate in or encourage computer hacking activities.”

This is an admission of receipt of intelligence information (“Humint”) from Ukrainian and perhaps other intelligence services. The disavowal of participation or encouragement of hacking is undermined by their own statements, as in this one by one of the hackers:

At first we had a separate group called RUH8… Our cooperation with other hacker groups was established thanks to the InformNapalm …where we all submitted information for processing and publication

RUH8 is an abbreviation for Russia Hate. InformNapalm claimed in 2020 that it “is a purely volunteer endeavour which does not have any financial support from any government or donor.” This is, of course, a lie.

PROMETHEUS

It is a matter of public record that InformNapalm has been funded by the National Endowment for Democracy, the CIA proxy. For example, in its now-deleted list of funding for Ukraine in 2016, the NED reported that $100,000 was given to a project of “Prometheus”. It would “conduct open-source investigations that monitor and spotlight external Russian military actions and post them on its popular and trusted website, https://informnapalm.org”. The Prometheus domain Prometheus.ngo was also registered by Volodymyr Kolesnykov on March 11, 2016.

Prometheus advertises two “information partners” in its operation, InformNapalm and The Ukraine Media Crisis Center. InformNapalm, created in early 2014, obviously only became a project of Prometheus after the latter was created in 2016.

The Ukraine Crisis Media Center is of course another Western-funded project. It even admits to a long list of Western State funding on its website (including USAID, Embassies of the U.S., Netherlands, Switzerland, Finland, Norway, Sweden and Germany), as well as military/intelligence funding agencies such as the NED, NATO, the U.K. based Institute for Statecraft (a military intelligence cut out), regime change enthusiasts at the Soros network of foundations and the Open Information Partnership an MI6 funded project from the U.K., in which Bellingcat and other MI6 contractors were/are involved.

An avalanche of Western cash has been showered on such organizations, all of which appear to have gone to some trouble to disguise their real origins and connections (including to each other), not to mention their affiliations to the Banderite far right.

BACK TO NATO

InformNaplam boasts in its list of achievements of working closely with NATO run groups such as the Atlantic Council Digital Forensic Lab and MI6/CIA cutout Bellingcat. It claimed to have identified “persons who could be involved in the shootdown of Flight MH17 …(this information was used in the reports by our colleagues from Bellingcat team).” The organisation also claims to have conducted “exclusive analysis of SurkovLeaks – the email dump belonging to [Russian politician] Surkov’s reception office obtained by Ukrainian Cyber Alliance (the authenticity of the emails was reconfirmed by several reputable organizations, including Atlantic Council’s DFR Lab)”. The DFR Lab and Bellingcat, are not “reputable” organizations but rather are part of NATO information operations against Russia.

These boasts put both the DFR Lab and Bellingcat in the frame as collaborators with the Nazi kill list, which is itself based on the OSINT techniques pioneered by both groups. Now that we know that the “volunteers” of Mirotvorets, InformNapalm and the Ukraine Hacker Alliance are a project of the Ukrainian government with significant NATO support, the role of the DFR Labs and Bellingcat appears to be part of that support for the Nazi kill list.

In the West, these Nazi collaborators and apologists attempt to push an altogether softer narrative. Thus, we have Eliot Higgins of the Informnapalm “colleague” Bellingcat attempting what he presumably thought was a condescending denial in tweeting: “’Myrotvorets is a Ukrainian government kill list’ is rapidly becoming the most effective way to identify the dumbest people in this website.”

We can even find Aric Toler, also of Bellingcat, criticizing Myrotvorets while appearing to disavow any knowledge that Bellingcat had worked with them. In response, the founder of InformNaplam (and we must assume Myrotvorets too) Roman Burko, defended the activities of the kill list as purely a question of style.

So, the evidence here supports the contention that NATO is fighting a proxy war in Ukraine. There is a link between the Nazi kill list and the blacklist to which I was added and that is that both are operations of the regime in Kiev. A further link is the deputy head of the regime-created Center for Strategic Communication, Mykola Balaban. He cut his teeth working on the InformNaplam/Mirotvorets operation, as was revealed in a document released by Russian hackers Cyber-Berkut in late 2015 in which he featured as an admin of both the operativ.info and informnapalm.org sites from November 2014.

Finally, it seems likely a key reason why the Nazi kill list remains online is that it is protected by the regime, the U.S. government and NATO.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Fellow Aspirant (here)

Such a disappointment, Bill.

Made me laugh. You sound like a teacher chiding an independently-thinking schoolboy who fails to confirm to your diktat of how you insist everything has to be.

Your 'facts' are all wrong, you have no idea what's really happening in the world, and you're part of the widespread global problem, not the solution.

Avalon presents you with every opportunity to acquaint yourself with actual facts (not the ones 'fact-checked' by CBC), but you think you know it all.

You don't. But even my saying this won't make an iota of difference. There's really no value (to anyone else) in your being a member any more, and we'll retire you if you wish. Just let us know.

Here's what I replied just now to a longstanding member who reported your post, asking me, with genuine puzzlement, if you were really who you said you were. It may be worth reading. I pay you due credit, and also very truthfully state the problem.

(I resisted the temptation to channel Mashika, who would have fiercely and mercilessly taken apart your every sentence. Aged just 26, she's wiser, smarter and more knowledgeable than any teacher I've ever known.)

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Many thanks for your reported question about Fellow Aspirant (Brian). I met him personally a few years ago, when he came to Ecuador on holiday with his wife.

We had a long and pleasant dinner, and he's a genuinely very nice person. It's simply the mind virus. If you don't have the immunity, it just does its thing and takes over a person's whole worldview.

So it's a paradox. He never breaks any forum guidelines, and back in 2018 former moderator Paul (now 'The Pythonic Cow') started a backstage mods report thread titled 'Why is Fellow Aspirant still a member?' (As I recall, that was all about his posts regarding then-President Trump and American politics.)

I replied to Paul and the rest of the team that Brian was always patient, articulate and civil, and that we really did have to allow free speech in the form of differing political opinions. But I do confess, I'm not nearly as patient myself now as I was even last year, and as I posted in this thread...

• Social media discussion rarely changes anyone's minds

...I'm no longer convinced (at all!) that 'free speech' is always helpful in terms of helping people change their views. We see this predicament everywhere now, including on Avalon.

What to do about Fellow Aspirant, I don't know. I'll reply to his post, very probably (and others may do too!), but I'm still on my first cup of coffee early in the morning here in Ecuador, so I'll need to think about it a little.

I might just channel Mashika, something I sometimes have a lot of fun doing , but I do know that'd almost certainly inflame things more. But I might just ignore it all, as it's a major distraction on an important news- and-updates thread, and just continue to report any new (and factual!) Ukraine/Russia information as usual.

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◾" Honest and idealist ... enjoys good food and wine.... unprejudiced mind..."

◾That's how a 1952 Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) assessment described Nazi ideologue Emil Augsburg, an officer at the infamous Wannsee Institute, the SS think tank involved in planning the Final Solution.

Although he was wanted in Poland for war crimes, Augsburg managed to ingratiate himself with the U.S. CIA, which employed him in the late 1940s as an expert on Soviet affairs. Recently released CIA records indicate that Augsburg was among a rogue's gallery of Nazi war criminals recruited by U.S. intelligence agencies shortly after Germany surrendered to the Allies.

Pried loose by Congress, which passed the Nazi War Crimes Disclosure Act three years ago, a long-hidden trove of once-classified CIA documents confirms one of the worst-kept secrets of the cold war-the CIA's use of an extensive Nazi spy network to wage a clandestine campaign against the Soviet Union.

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[Ravenlocke]

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The United States, even in the event of a default, is going to send money to Ukraine. According to White House spokesman John Kirby, Washington will have the opportunity to finance Kyiv until the end of the current fiscal year using funds already allocated by Congress.

The current fiscal year in the United States ends on September 30, and before the end of this period, ordinary Americans can only rejoice at the dedication of their government, which is ready to send their last dollars to Kyiv.

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[Ravenlocke]

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[Bill Ryan]

Quite an important incident in what seems like a significant further escalation. What'll be happening in Russia now, for sure, is that Putin will be under increasing pressure to start to take much more decisive action.

I've said that before, but Putin has always maintained his (astonishingly) tolerant and moderate stance. However, as I posted elsewhere, I'd really not bet $1000 against all this going nuclear at some point. There's nothing anywhere in the world to indicate this is all going be resolved easily and peacefully.

The west is hell-bent on destroying Russia by fair means or foul. But that's not going to happen. It doesn't matter what one's ideological views are. Russia will defend itself, as it always has done.

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[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/ArthurM40330824/...26863331225600

[Ravenlocke]

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...ia-has-failed/

Why the economic war against Russia has failed

There was much mirth in the West this week when Vladimir Putin’s Victory Day parade through Red Square included just one tank, itself a relic from a museum. The inference was that Russia has lost so much military kit in Ukraine that it is a shadow of the military superpower the Soviet Union used to be.

Russia has certainly borne heavy losses (although any country conducting a foreign war would presumably have its military hardware on active duty rather than on ceremonial parade). But we should avoid being smug. The truth is that the war is not going well for the West either – at least in one respect.

When Putin sent tanks into Ukraine on 24 February last year, western countries rapidly adopted a two-pronged strategy. One prong was that they would not engage in direct military conflict, but would support Ukraine with weapons and other military equipment. Some countries were quicker than others, but this part of the strategy has been a remarkable success. Ukraine has managed to resist Russian forces, and to push them back from many areas, even if the outcome is still far from certain.

The other prong, though, has turned out to be blunt: the plan to wage economic war with Moscow, unleashing financial shock and awe on a scale never seen before. Russia was to be cut off almost entirely, with sanctions and boycotts on all imports and exports save for humanitarian ones such as medicines. Putin’s Russia, went the theory, would be impoverished into surrender.

Few people in the West are aware of how badly this aspect of the war is going. Europe has itself paid a high price to effect a partial boycott of Russian oil and gas. UK fossil fuel imports from Russia totalled £4.5 billion in 2021; in the year to January 2023 that was – officially – down to £1.3 billion. In 2020 the EU sourced 39 per cent of its gas and 23 per cent of its oil from Russia; in the third quarter of last year this was down to 15 per cent and 14 per cent respectively.

But these figures do not explain the scale of the failure to damage the Russian economy. It soon became clear that while the West was keen on an economic war, the rest of the world was not. As its oil and gas exports to Europe fell, Russia quickly upped its exports to China and India – both of which preferred to buy oil at a discount than to make a stand against the invasion of Ukraine. Worse, some of the Russian oil exported to India appears to have been siphoned back to Europe, with a rise in the number of ships taking refined oil from India through the Suez Canal.

There seems to be some siphoning in the other direction, too. An investigation by the German newspaper Bild has uncovered a disturbing growth in exports to countries bordering Russia. The importing of German motor vehicles to Kazakhstan, for example, rose by 507 per cent between 2021 and 2022 and to Armenia by 761 per cent. Exports of chemical products to Armenia increased by 110 per cent and to Kazakhstan by 129 per cent. Sales of electrical and computer equipment to Armenia are up 343 per cent. What happens to these goods once they reach these former Soviet republics is not easy to establish, but one likely explanation is that they end up in Russia as diverted trade flows. And even if such commodities are not formally being re-exported, many Russian citizens retain visa-free access to those countries and are able to take goods across the border.

The West has had a policy of trying to target wealthy Russians in particular with economic sanctions. But ironically they are the people who can most easily access western goods through diverted trade. It is they who have dual passports; they who can afford to travel abroad in order to shop for their luxury goods. Short of a wholesale global boycott against Russia, it is very hard to prevent western-made goods reaching the hands of wealthy Russians.

The West embarked on its sanctions war with an exaggerated sense of its own influence around the world. As we have discovered, non-western countries lack the will to impose sanctions on either Russia or on Russian oligarchs. The results of the miscalculation are there for all to see. In April last year, the IMF forecast that the Russian economy would contract by 8.5 per cent in 2022 and by a further 2.3 per cent this year. As it turned out, GDP fell by just 2.1 per cent last year, and this year the IMF is forecasting a small rise of 0.7 per cent. And that is all in spite of the war in Ukraine going much more badly than many imagined it would in February of last year. The Russian economy has not been destroyed; it has merely been reconfigured, reorientated to look eastwards and southwards rather than westwards.

It was not necessarily wrong to declare economic war on Russia. The country has suffered harm from western sanctions, even if nothing like on the scale that we imagined we could inflict. But if the West is thinking that in future it can fight wars purely by economic means, without bombs or bullets, it is badly mistaken.

Western military equipment has allowed Ukraine to mount a David vs Goliath battle which it may yet win – and certainly to avoid annexation by Putin. As for economic sanctions, however, we will have to think again.

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[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Quite an important incident in what seems like a significant further escalation. What'll be happening in Russia now, for sure, is that Putin will be under increasing pressure to start to take much more decisive action.

I've said that before, but Putin has always maintained his (astonishingly) tolerant and moderate stance. However, as I posted elsewhere, I'd really not bet $1000 against all this going nuclear at some point. There's nothing anywhere in the world to indicate this is all going be resolved easily and peacefully.

The west is hell-bent on destroying Russia by fair means or foul. But that's not going to happen. It doesn't matter what one's ideological views are. Russia will defend itself, as it always has done.

Just a further short opinion post from me, for whatever it may be worth. I can feel the steadily growing anger in Russia. I'm sure many other readers can too.

At some point, whether tomorrow, next week, or next month, Putin will quietly and secretly consult with Xi in China and Modi in India, and say:

Dear Friends, bear with me and please look carefully. This and this and this is happening. We're now considering doing this in response. We're starting to feel we have no other option. If we do, will you continue to support us?

[Ravenlocke]

https://tass.com/emergencies/1616977

Kiev attacks Lugansk using Storm Shadow missile produced by UK, France — LPR’s mission

The Ukrainian armed forces carried out a missile strike on the settlement of Yubileiny
LUGANSK, May 13. /TASS/. The Ukrainian armed forces attacked on Saturday the settlement of Yubileiny in Lugansk using a Storm Shadow cruise missile produced by the UK and France, according to a statement released by the LPR’s (Lugansk People’s Republic) mission to the Joint Center for Coordination and Control of issues related to Ukrainian war crimes.

"On May 13, 2023, at 9:15 a.m. the Ukrainian armed forces carried out a missile strike on the settlement of Yubileiny of the city of Lugansk (LPR) using one Storm Shadow cruise missile (produced by the UK and France)," the statement reads.

Andrey Marochko, a retired lieutenant colonel in the People’s Militia of the Lugansk People’s Republic (LPR), said that the Ukrainian armed forces used Storm Shadow cruise missiles according to preliminary data.

The LPR’s mission to the Joint Center for Coordination and Control of issues related to Ukrainian war crimes preliminarily said on Friday that the Ukrainians could have used the Grom missile system. British Defense Secretary Ben Wallace confirmed on Thursday that London was sending Storm Shadow long-range cruise missiles to Kiev.

[grapevine]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Quite an important incident in what seems like a significant further escalation. What'll be happening in Russia now, for sure, is that Putin will be under increasing pressure to start to take much more decisive action.

I've said that before, but Putin has always maintained his (astonishingly) tolerant and moderate stance. However, as I posted elsewhere, I'd really not bet $1000 against all this going nuclear at some point. There's nothing anywhere in the world to indicate this is all going be resolved easily and peacefully.

The west is hell-bent on destroying Russia by fair means or foul. But that's not going to happen. It doesn't matter what one's ideological views are. Russia will defend itself, as it always has done.

Just a further short opinion post from me, for whatever it may be worth. I can feel the steadily growing anger in Russia. I'm sure many other readers can too.

At some point, whether tomorrow, next week, or next month, Putin will quietly and secretly consult with Xi in China and Modi in India, and say:

Dear Friends, bear with me and please look carefully. This and this and this is happening. We're now considering doing this in response. We're starting to feel we have no other option. If we do, will you continue to support us?

No doubt when the first cruise missile reaches its target . . .

Although Zelensky gave an undertaking that the missiles would only be used inside Ukraine, it will be very easy for accidents to happen.

[Ravenlocke]

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At least 1 of the Mi-8 Helicopters of the Russian Air Force that was Shot Down over the Bryansk Region today appears to have been a Mi-8 MTPR-1 Variant which has Electronic Warfare Capabilities and is specifically used to Suppress Enemy Air Defense Systems, the Russian Military only has roughly 20 of these Helicopters.

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According to Russian Sources today has been the Worst Day in Decades for the Russian Air Force with 2 Mi-8 Transport Helicopters, 1 Su-34 Fighter/Bomber, and 1 Su-35 Air-Defense Fighter being Shot Down over the Bryansk Region of Western Russia by what is claimed to have been either Air-to-Air or Surface-to-Air Missiles which were Launched from Inside of Ukraine.

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🇺🇦🇷🇺 According to updated data, 2 Mi-8 helicopters, a Su-34 bomber, and a Su-35 fighter were shot down All aircraft fell in the Bryansk region. Helicopter pilots and Su-34 bomber died ...

The enemy carried out a planned operation, having made a massive launch of missiles from the territory of the Chernihiv region.

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