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    Comment from Slavyangrad about Storm Shadow:

    Deliveries of British Storm Shadow missiles to the Armed Forces of Ukraine have become the next stage in the escalation of the Ukrainian conflict. The Kiev regime rejoices, having received from NATO another "wonder weapon" for testing. However, the American MLRS "Haymars" lost their former status after the air defense of the Russian Federation learned to shoot them down. Now the RF Armed Forces will also shoot down British cruise missiles.

    According to The Guardian, British Defense Secretary Ben Wallace confirmed to Parliament the sending of missiles by the Ukrainian Armed Forces. He revealed that the cost of each Storm Shadow is around £2.2m. The UK has between 700 and 1,000 of these missiles with a range of up to 290 km and up to 560 km. What type of weapons the Armed Forces will receive and their number, Wallace preferred to hide.

    These deliveries were coordinated with Washington, which supported the transfer of missiles at the talks between Wallace and British Foreign Secretary James Cleverly in the United States. At the same time, the Pentagon refuses to provide Ukraine with its own long-range missiles. The United States prefers to remain in the shadows - for them, the UK Ministry of Defense turned out to be a convenient subcontractor that implements the plans of the Pentagon without the death of American soldiers and the use of reserve weapons.

    British journalists hurried to reassure readers, who were alarmed that Washington was dragging the country into a conflict with the threat of nuclear war. In turn, Kiev assured the British authorities that the new weapons would be used only for defense and on the territory of Ukraine, and not for attacks on Russia.

    Storm Shadow themselves, by the way, are not as perfect as they are trying to be. Russian air defense systems can recognize and destroy British missiles in the air in the same way as all other weapons of the West. The only fundamental difference between Storm Shadow and Himars missiles is in the targeting system. American missiles were guided by GPS geolocation, and in the British counterpart, target coordinates are entered immediately before launch.

    By the way, the United Kingdom expects to become a global arms exporter if Storm Shadow proves its combat effectiveness in the struggle for Ukrainian sovereignty.

    Russian Defense Ministry experts believe that our missile defense [missile defense] systems will cope with new missiles, as happened with the Hymars. The military department has already clarified that the S-400, and S-300 systems will work for such purposes, including the Fort ship air defense system, as well as Buk-M3, and Buk-M2.

    It is assumed that Storm Shadow can be installed on MIG and SU airborne aircraft, but this is a dead-end tactic. If only because it requires a long refinement of Soviet aircraft, which Kyiv has almost gone.

    It is interesting that earlier the American manufacturer Lockheed Martin, after the military campaign in Afghanistan, refused to use British missiles due to their limited combat effectiveness.

    Now the Russian Aerospace Forces control the Ukrainian sky and completely dominate the left bank of the Dnieper, and the launches of large cruise missiles only unmask the enemy.

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    ⚡️The Russian Ministry of Defense reports that during the fighting near Bakhmut, the deputy commander of the Army Corps for military-political work, Colonel Yevgeny Brovko, was killed.

    Also, in the area of Krasny (Ivanovskoye), as a result of injuries received, during the evacuation, the commander of the 4th motorized rifle brigade, Colonel Makarov died.

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    In Khmelnitsky, after the strike of the Russian Aerospace Forces, the ammunition for the Leopard and Marder tanks was destroyed. There was also a cargo from Denmark, Germany, Italy and Japan for €200-220 million
    Also, in addition to ammunition, €83 million worth of satellite communication systems, military tablets, data encryption systems were destroyed.

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    Ukraine received 200 Storm Shadow missiles from Britain in the first batch, in the second phase they should receive another 400 missiles. Now the Armed Forces of Ukraine are testing missiles against targets on the frontline, and data on the strikes are transmitted by Western intelligence

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    🇬🇧UK Government Is Offering £600,000 To Contractors For Social Media Surveillance Of “Misinformation Narratives” - Reclaim The Net

    The UK government is ready to spend some $755,000 (£600,000) on a project involving contractors whose job would be to carry out surveillance on social media, on the lookout for “harmful disinformation and misinformation narratives.”

    This is revealed in a notice posted on the government’s Contracts Finder site...that shows the authorities are looking for a misinformation and disinformation monitoring and analysis service...

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    Sowing Seeds of Plunder: A Lose-Lose Situation in Ukraine – OffGuardian

    It’s a lose-lose situation for Ukrainians. While they are dying, financial institutions are insidiously supporting the consolidation of farmland by oligarchs and Western financial interests...

    https://off-guardian.org/2023/05/13/...on-in-ukraine/

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    Pandora Papers Reveal Offshore Holdings of Ukrainian President and his Inner Circle

    Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky rode to power on pledges to clean up the Eastern European country, but the Pandora Papers reveal he and his close circle were the beneficiaries of a network of offshore companies, including some that owned expensive London property.

    Actor Volodymyr Zelensky stormed to the Ukrainian presidency in 2019 on a wave of public anger against the country’s political class, including previous leaders who used secret companies to stash their wealth overseas.

    Now, leaked documents prove that Zelensky and his inner circle have had their own network of offshore companies. Two belonging to the president’s partners were used to buy expensive property in London.

    The revelations come from documents in the Pandora Papers, millions of files from 14 offshore service providers leaked to the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists and shared with partners around the world including OCCRP.

    The documents show that Zelensky and his partners in a television production company, Kvartal 95, set up a network of offshore firms dating back to at least 2012, the year the company began making regular content for TV stations owned by Ihor Kolomoisky, an oligarch dogged by allegations of multi-billion-dollar fraud. The offshores were also used by Zelensky associates to purchase and own three prime properties in the center of London.

    The documents also show that just before he was elected, he gifted his stake in a key offshore company, the British Virgin Islands-registered Maltex Multicapital Corp., to his business partner — soon to be his top presidential aide. And in spite of giving up his shares, the documents show that an arrangement was soon made that would allow the offshore to keep paying dividends to a company that now belongs to his wife.

    A comedian and actor who had been famous since the 2000s, Zelensky began his political rise a few years after taking on a starring role in the political satire “Servant of the People,” which began airing on the oligarch’s network in 2015. The show starred Zelensky as a humble history teacher whose anti-corruption rant in class is filmed by a student, goes viral online, and wins him national office.

    In a case of life imitating art, Zelensky ended up winning the real-world Ukrainian presidency just three-and-a-half years after the show’s launch, with more than 73 percent of the vote.

    Zelensky capitalized on widespread public anger at corruption, but his 2019 campaign was dogged by doubts over his anti-graft bona fides, given that his campaign was boosted by media belonging to Kolomoisky — who is accused of stealing US$5.5 billion from his own bank and funneling it offshore in concert with his partner, Hennadiy Boholiubov.

    In the heat of the campaign, a political ally of incumbent President Petro Poroshenko published a chart on Facebook purporting to show that Zelensky and his television production partners were beneficiaries of a web of offshore firms that allegedly received $41 million in funds from Kolomoisky’s Privatbank.

    That ally, Volodymyr Ariev, didn’t provide evidence, and his accusations have never been proven. But the Pandora Papers show that at least some of the details in this alleged scheme correspond to reality. The leaked documents show information on 10 companies in the network that match structures detailed in Ariev’s chart.

    The new documents show that part of the network was managed with help from Fidelity Corporate Services, an offshore consultancy that was one of 14 firms whose documents make up part of the Pandora Papers leak. The documents show that Zelensky and his partners used companies based in the British Virgin Islands (BVI), Belize, and Cyprus.

    Two of Zelensky’s associates in the offshore network, who were also part of his TV production company, now hold powerful positions. Serhiy Shefir is Zelensky’s top presidential aide, while Ivan Bakanov heads the Security Service of Ukraine.

    These powerful positions also come with risks. Shefir narrowly escaped an apparent assassination attempt when his car was fired on outside Kyiv on September 22. He was unharmed, but his driver was wounded.

    Zelensky has repeatedly pledged to rein in oligarchs. The day after the attack on Shefir, the country’s parliament passed a bill that would create a register of oligarchs and bar them from financing political parties or taking part in privatizations. Zelensky said that the attempt on Shefir’s life will receive a strong response and will not influence his fight against vested interests.

    A spokesman for Zelensky declined to comment. Shefir and Bakanov did not respond to questions.

    The rest of the article here,

    https://www.occrp.org/en/the-pandora...s-inner-circle


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    Statements by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation:

    – Commander Makarov, who led the battle in the area of the village of Krasnoe, died after being wounded while repelling an attack by the Armed Forces of Ukraine;

    – Deputy Commander of the Army Corps, Colonel Brovko, died heroically while repelling an attack by the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Bakhmut;

    – All attacks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near Bakhmut, as well as other settlements of the DPR, were repelled, breakthroughs of the defense of Russian troops were successfully repelled;

    – A successful. missile strike on the deployment points of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and warehouses. The goal of the strike was achieved.

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    This is the location of Olenya Air Base:



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    This 30-second video clip, with good English subtitles, really is worth watching.
    (Fellow Aspirant, pay attention )

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    Quote Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
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    Not just 'large', but enormous. And now it seems that the ammunition stocks that were all blown sky-high may have included the British-donated depleted uranium tank shells.

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    Absolute evil, insanity. WTF!! Stop, stop now. “There is no way to peace. Peace is the way.” So, just stop this, now!

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    Here's Scott Ritter, who's not been seen on YouTube recently because he's on a tour of Russia — a book tour, but also a speaking tour. I'm guessing he's getting a huge amount of public attention there, and the Kremlin will also surely be listening carefully. Everyone knows who he is.

    This is a condensed 18-minute video, which I found worth every minute. The questions from his Russian host are edited out, so it's really a monologue on a variety of issues.

    Regarding the video title, that's addressed towards the end, starting at 14:50. He argues, I think correctly, that Russia must end this (a) decisively and (b) quickly, or else the US will be doing everything they can to turn the extended war of attrition on to them.

    Russia must win ASAP, here is why

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    Former Ukrainian MP and Azov deputy commander Igor Mosiychuk released a video discussing recent strikes in Khmelnitsky and Ternopol, claiming that the depleted uranium theory is correct and recommending that children be evacuated from the explosion sites. He alleged that the warehouses contained a large stockpile of depleted uranium ammunition that was blown up.

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    Well, okay Bill. I've watched the clip - even my wee attention span can handle 36 seconds.

    I come away with great admiration for Zelenskyy as a peace seeker. What he says is what he has always consistently argued, right up until the invasion: can't we all just get along? He lists all the ways in which the Ukrainian and Russian people are alike what they share in common and have always shared in common - right down to their blood. He argues that everyone within Ukraine should be allowed to live in peace, as citizens of Ukraine. He wants them to be able to speak Russian if they wish, and be left alone - a very tolerant and broad minded view that admonishes those who say they wish to abolish the use of Russian within the borders of Ukraine. These discontents, by the way, are part of the Putin propaganda apparatus who are trying to stir up trouble and give Putin the excuse he needs to invade. Zelenskyy preaches brotherhood and peace!

    What he does not do is rail against the existence of Russia or urge that Ukraine invade Russia because it rightfully belongs to Ukraine. He does not claim that every Russian citizen should be exterminated like rats because they are scum, a degenerate subhuman race.

    Yet these are the views expressed by Putin's people to justify their genocidal scourging of Ukraine. They not only want violence, they want to exterminate every citizen of a country that views them as family. A country that has never threatened them in any way. Putin's "excuse" for invasion was to act as a saviour to those Russian speakers inside Ukraine who were being subjected to inhumane treatment by the Ukrainians. Clearly, as far as Zelenskyy is concerned, this will not happen. Russian speakers are to be treated fairly and given all of the freedoms of Ukrainian speakers. So what was the justification for Putin's invasion? Exactly what were the Ukrainians doing to Russian speakers? Putin's agitators were full of outrage, but for what, actually?

    Zelenskyy is doing his best to calm things down, to mollify the propagandists. To no avail. Putin ignored Zelenskyy's views and efforts (as they are so clearly expressed in this video) and launched his shocking super violent genocidal attacks against the innocent civilians of Ukraine, a campaign that the world has seen before with the rise of Nazi Germany. Their dozens and dozens of concentration camps with gas chambers and ovens were designed to be the final solution to the plague of degenerate scum and subhumans that infested their Reich.

    So, Bill, I'm glad I complied with your pedantic demand; I found an admirable man preaching tolerance and compassion.

    Are you having a change of heart?

    Namaste,

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    Well if your attention span could stretch a little further you might be interested in a little book called "How the West Brought War to Ukraine." by Benjamin Abelow.

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    Quote Posted by Fellow Aspirant (here)
    Well, okay Bill. I've watched the clip - even my wee attention span can handle 36 seconds.

    I come away with great admiration for Zelenskyy as a peace seeker. What he says is what he has always consistently argued, right up until the invasion: can't we all just get along? He lists all the ways in which the Ukrainian and Russian people are alike what they share in common and have always shared in common - right down to their blood. He argues that everyone within Ukraine should be allowed to live in peace, as citizens of Ukraine. He wants them to be able to speak Russian if they wish, and be left alone - a very tolerant and broad minded view that admonishes those who say they wish to abolish the use of Russian within the borders of Ukraine. These discontents, by the way, are part of the Putin propaganda apparatus who are trying to stir up trouble and give Putin the excuse he needs to invade. Zelenskyy preaches brotherhood and peace!

    What he does not do is rail against the existence of Russia or urge that Ukraine invade Russia because it rightfully belongs to Ukraine. He does not claim that every Russian citizen should be exterminated like rats because they are scum, a degenerate subhuman race.

    Yet these are the views expressed by Putin's people to justify their genocidal scourging of Ukraine. They not only want violence, they want to exterminate every citizen of a country that views them as family. A country that has never threatened them in any way. Putin's "excuse" for invasion was to act as a saviour to those Russian speakers inside Ukraine who were being subjected to inhumane treatment by the Ukrainians. Clearly, as far as Zelenskyy is concerned, this will not happen. Russian speakers are to be treated fairly and given all of the freedoms of Ukrainian speakers. So what was the justification for Putin's invasion? Exactly what were the Ukrainians doing to Russian speakers? Putin's agitators were full of outrage, but for what, actually?

    Zelenskyy is doing his best to calm things down, to mollify the propagandists. To no avail. Putin ignored Zelenskyy's views and efforts (as they are so clearly expressed in this video) and launched his shocking super violent genocidal attacks against the innocent civilians of Ukraine, a campaign that the world has seen before with the rise of Nazi Germany. Their dozens and dozens of concentration camps with gas chambers and ovens were designed to be the final solution to the plague of degenerate scum and subhumans that infested their Reich.

    So, Bill, I'm glad I complied with your pedantic demand; I found an admirable man preaching tolerance and compassion.

    Are you having a change of heart?

    Namaste,

    Brian
    What's happened here is that you've just shown, entirely accidentally, that you barely know a thing about Zelensky and how much he has changed (since that clip was filmed, back in 2019).

    The reason he has changed is that since becoming president he's been used as a puppet by the US to trigger the long-planned neocon war designed to bring Russia down.

    Everything he says in those 36 seconds has been contradicted now, and his stance on everything has reversed 180º. He's not a "peace-seeker" at all. He's become (effectively) a mass-murderer of his own people, and is in large part responsible for destroying his own country.

    I rarely do this, but I have to make the point. I don't have the time or energy to present fact after fact after fact (which every other Avalon member posting on this thread already knows), so here are a couple of (anonymized) posts by other mods who commented on this after your post had been reported.

    The provisional thread title (in the mods' backstage section) is "Fellow Aspirant hasn't looked at what has been happening".

    The mods' comments were:

    ~~~
    Fellow Aspirant hasn't looked at anything that has been happening in Ukraine at all and likes Zelensky, and doesn't think he has changed or that anything is wrong. I don't think he will change and maybe it is time to block him from this thread and invite him back after he has studied the situation more closely.

    I don't like war at all, and realize this is not just about Russia and Ukraine, but I don't think Fellow Aspirant will be able look at the bigger picture. Maybe rather than retiring him he could just be blocked from that thread?
    and from another mod:
    Brian's missed something crucial here: the video clip is from around the time he was canvassing for the presidency so that puts it around 2019.
    ~~~

    The second comment is accurate
    . (I don't know for sure if it was 2019 or not, but it was certainly long before the SMO started.)

    Mods have no vendetta against anyone, but we do our best to advance one of the main missions of the forum, which is to educate and support. Clearly you're sincere, but it's a 100% straight fact that you just have it all wrong.

    If you like, you can start from scratch (as it were) and ask simple questions here on the thread and members will do their honest best to answer them.
    But if you insist on stating that your views are correct and that you understand the entire situation perfectly, there'll be no way forward.

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    Quote Posted by Ewan (here)
    Well if your attention span could stretch a little further you might be interested in a little book called "How the West Brought War to Ukraine." by Benjamin Abelow.
    Here's the book:

    How the West Brought War to Ukraine - Understanding How U.S. And NATO Policies Led to Crisis, War, and the Risk of Nuclear Catastrophe

    https://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Ben...e%20(2022).pdf

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    Quote Posted by Fellow Aspirant (here)
    So what was the justification for Putin's invasion?
    You must start again --

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    If you like, you can start from scratch (as it were) and ask simple questions here on the thread and members will do their honest best to answer them.
    A good place to make that start is the video below. It will lay it all out for you. Please do watch it Fellow Aspirant. It serves as a very useful beginning to understand the - very important - historical context of this war.

    Now, let me make it clear it does not serve as a 'justification' for the war, because there is no justification for war. In my personal opinion, war is the escapade of the fool and the primitive. The loss of a single life in the name of land, wealth, political posturing or whatever, is a travesty to me, be it Ukrainian or Russian. But it is the reason, and that reason - which you are seeking - is what essentially underpins Putin's motivation, and it's important to understand it.

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