Paradise

[Eagle Eye]

I would say it's mostly a state of soul, than a state of mind, but what exists in the inside is materialised also in the outside, so the paradise has to be a perfect state on the inside and outside.

[ian33]

if there is a doggy heaven, i would much prefer to a judgemental anthromorphised god..you can trust a dog to share unconditional love..that is paradise for me

[Docim369]

This would better be told in poetic terms...Heaven is within us...it seems you cannot grasp it with the mind...it is unity in the midst of worldly duality...it rings a bell to me when a teacher said: I am not of this world, by this I believe he meant he is of the heavenly realm...I believe we all are but we somehow choose our experience in this "world"...I find this heavenly realm as a strong experience of ECSTATIC UNITY, LOVE...many micstics, NDE experiencers, poets and others have felt it, dwelt in it... I KNOW it to be true!

[lake]

Perfection ... a stagnate pond.
Nothing is gained from being perfect or all knowing.

A beautiful garden is only beautiful from a limited perception .... There is 'nature' and that holds vast fears for near all within it.

Do you really wish to dwell in the 'Paradise'?
Nice for a visit .... A bit like a few weeks off from the daily grind .... But to exist there for eternity???
Would you actually want to?

No challenges, no wrongs to put right .... nothing to learn as you know all there is to know!

A paradise is a 'dead end' ....... From my point of view, there is potential .... but in a 'paradise' there is only limitation and repetitiveness!

Two pence opinion so please excuse me

[Eagle Eye]

Once they enter it, they wish to never leave it. (from the Scripture)

[lake]

So in this 'Paradise' .... what are YOU going to do?

What can you create in perfection?

What is this realm 'like' for you?

What will you become in a perfect world with no 'drama' to engage?

A perfect paradise is nothing but a dead end.

Tell me why I am wrong?

[Eagle Eye]

This creation is nothing compared to the Paradise, also if you ever had a blessed day, than you just experienced a glimpse of it.

[lake]

Posted by Eagle Eye (here)
This creation is nothing compared to the Paradise, also if you ever had a blessed day, than you just experienced a glimpse of it.

Not really an answer my friend .... I ask you again:

Would you really wish to live for eternity in a 'Paradise'?

[Heart to heart]

One morning I awoke with these words

“ I know not whence I came
Or why I linger here
I only know that love remains
Within my heart
From some place
Far away, far, far beyond the stars
Where Love creates all things with joy.”

This may be paradise?

[Eagle Eye]

Posted by lake (here)

Would you really wish to live for eternity in a 'Paradise'?

That's what I wish. All those people who have experienced a glimpse of it, wish it too.

[lake]

Posted by Eagle Eye (here)

Posted by lake (here)

Would you really wish to live for eternity in a 'Paradise'?

That's what I wish. All those people who have experienced a glimpse of it, wish it too.

Fair enough .... I think that I would get very bored, very quickly!
You know .... Knowing EVERYTHING and having NOTHING to do which I hadn't already done!

I think that .... even after millions of years (well it couldn't be that as I already have done and know all things) of trying to 'like' perfection .... very boring!

Paradise .... What is it?

Please explain it to me as I only see it as a empty hole in the ground .... NOTHING new will come out of it; It is already only itself and can be no more!

By the way .... just so you know .... I believe in VASTLY more than I.

[Docim369]

Lake, much gratitude for your questions. It is hard to explain everything with words. Its about experience. I agree, we also need body experience once in while, until we find 'home' again and stop the 'fight' and just be. Or you can just fight all the time if you wish to, ofcourse.

[lake]

Posted by Docim369 (here)
Lake, much gratitude for your questions. It is hard to explain everything with words. Its about experience. I agree, we also need body experience once in while, until we find 'home' again and stop the 'fight' and just be. Or you can just fight all the time if you wish to, ofcourse.

Thank you Docim but what is 'Paradise' from your point of perception?

I mean .... What is it?

[lake]

Lets have an idea of a conversation:

Me: Hey Docim how is it going here in Paradise?

Docim: All great .... love it here .... No harm, everyone only loves and all is given, no one wants and all are always equal.

Me: Nice mate, that must be so wonderful?

Docim: Yes it is .... Only 'love' nothing else .... such a joy to be within.

Me: What do you do with your time? I take it that you allow time?

Docim: Yes we allow time but only for 'love' of other. We write books and create music and beautiful art and do whatever fulfils use.

Me: Sweet deal Docim .... I am off back to the chaos (I know that you don't like it but anyway) be creative and I respect your choice to be here in Perfection (Paradise).

!0 Billion Years Later ....

Me: Hey Docim, how is it going?

Docim: Hi lake .... well it is all ... goodish.

Me: What you been upto?

Docim: Errm .... well .... we write books and do art ....... and you know .... all that stuff!

Me: Anything new mate?

Docim: Yer sorry I have things to do again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again etc

[Pris]

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With regard to "Paradise"...

When you find love
When you find your love
When you find the things
.....you love to do
And, remember that it all comes
.....from deep inside of you
It's always new
.....and you always knew
That is Paradise.



"There never seems to be enough time
.....to do the things you want to do
..........once you find them..."


Jim Croce - Time in a Bottle


Source: https://www.bitchute.com/video/wtzOQEIdFcIp

[Docim369]

I like the parable Swami Vivekananda gives about trying to fix things of this world: it's like trying to straighten a pig's tail once you try to do that, when you let it go it goes back to it's place. I believe it's about letting go and surrendering to the incorruptible, everlasting Divine Truth, which some would simply call Love.

[Matthew]

Posted by lake (here)
Lets have an idea of a conversation:
...
!0 Billion Years Later ....

...

Reminds me of the Futurama episode where Gary Gygax, IBM's chess computer Deep Blue, Stephen Hawking and others are stuck at the end of time with no universe. Gary Gygax suggests they play Dungeons & Dragons for the next quadzillion years which goes down well with the other nerds.

A short medley (34s total) of all of Gary Gygax's appearances in Futurama... the scene I referenced is at the end

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=mnK74ap-uWc

I find it hard to stay in the same room as someone for longer than two hours. So how many lifetimes of experience will it take for me to tolerate being in the same room for a quadzillion years, let alone eternity!? ...I'm not sure I'm ready for that.

But the world teaches us as we go along and people mellow with age. Although I hear that people get less tolerant with age. I forgot what my point was. I guess it was that we're here to age. Oh, I remembered, it was something like we're here to learn but the bar of perfection is super high so the process to get there can take near eternity... to get to eternity. There are fabled shortcuts but I'd only trust the ones centered around love.

I don't have the answers but I do have a lot of waffle.

[pabranno]

Bobme,

Perhaps you’re referring to a song titled “The Last Resort” by the Eagles?

Great thread….

Pamela

[Eagle Eye]

I have said it before, we cannot understand the concept of eternity from our prespective, because our capacity is limited.
All we can understand is that Paradise is among the highest degree of creation and it is nearer to the Creator.

[ExomatrixTV]

Posted by Eagle Eye (here)
Once they enter it, they wish to never leave it. (from the Scripture)

So if it is from "scripture", am I correct to assume that from your perspective, you do not have to question any of it? ... You just say "it is" and your own quality of thinking is solely based upon seeing "scripture" as the "highest authority" ... Anyone who dares to question that, suppose to be "evil" or "possessed/influenced by demons"? ... Yes? ... If it turns out to be different from "scripture" (written by humans) you just blame scripture not yourself? ... Maybe I am missing something, and you DO question everything too, and you are not (seemingly) obsessed with scripture ... Then I stand corrected.

* fascinating psychological mechanisms!

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* Side note, but 100% on topic:

In the past I was always fascinated with the: "Adam & Eve Story" being in "Paradise on Earth" not in "the Heavens" but here on Earth.

And in this "perfect" realm called: "Paradise" everything in there is/was a creation of the (alleged) God ... so in essence God is 100% responsible for the creation of a "talking snake" lying (but also telling partial truths) to Eve... RIGHT?

Adam & Eve suppose NOT to eat Apples from the "Tree of Knowledge" (then why put it there? Why not build a big fence around it?) ... Let's assume it was/is a "spiritual test" an obedience test to the (alleged) God and Eve failed by eating an Apple from the "Tree of Knowledge" because Eve listened to a "Talking Snake" also part of "God's Creation!".

I immediately assumed that the Apple is/was not necessarily containing "superior knowledge" but rather it is the intellect that wants to examine, inquiring, exploring and any form of curiosity can be a path of LEARNING about "good & bad" <<< without all that you are just going to live without "intellect" and you blindly trust what you are told by (an alleged) "God" assuming he is not an Alien posing as a "God".

If I am correct, from "God's perspective" the Apple in the Garden of Eden does not need to be special at all because it was most likely NOT about the "ingredients" of The Apple but rather it was solely an "obedience test" which is an intellectual and "spiritual" test ... When "passed" or "failed", both are also a form of gaining "knowledge" ... but it is one-sided ... if Adam & Eve passed the test they themselves still do not know what it means to fail the test from a being that might be just an Alien posing as "God" testing its own new hybrid races adding "intellect" capacity to a "genetically upgraded animals" ???

You see, IF that is the case ... the "talking snake" in "Paradise" might be a product of Alien Genetic intervention millions of years ago that REBELLED against the Aliens being FED UP how they are used in an experiment that failed! ... So they had to make a different "smarter" new species who are more obedient to the alleged "God" and this Alien posing as "God" used FEAR of them AND FEAR the "genetically upgraded" Reptilians (who can speak) to be used in a "master plan" .... Most likely because Reptilians lost many wars, they had to go underground found different alien allies to "survive" ... because they are in the minority they had to find different ways to dominate again ... All of this makes complete & perfect sense to me, even if it is all "just speculation" on my side.

* Story made short: The Reptilians ("talking snakes") in Eden AND the "God of the Old Testament" are in my view both are totally fcked up!

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If nobody wants to leave Paradise (according to "scripture"), if that is 100% correct, how would you know? ... Because there is nobody who can tell you that >>> assuming they will not leave it ever! ... Oh wait, we not suppose to use our intellect unless it serves a specific agenda without questioning it

Prime Creator is way too big for any man-made and/or alien made religions! ... any (alleged) "God" that needs worship is a big red flag for me!

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳