A look beneath the Holocaust Propaganda ...

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by Gustav (here)
'It is good to sip, it is great to drink, but it is unwise to empty the cup at once'.

Hello, I have been out for a week or more. I had an overload. I spent 6/7 hours on average a day reading new material and watching new videos since I had been accepted as a member to this forum. I have not been able to cope with all of it, but that is ok. I have heard, read and seen things that crumbled my foundations and now know not exactly where to go next. It is not negative, that I know for sure.
I felt I owed you all an explanation for disappearing when at first I was getting rather active in this thread. But as for this thread, I will provide sources for what I have stated. I have it in books and other docs, so I have to look that up first.

If your foundations crumbled, then you are a lucky man.
Why?
Because now you can rebuild them with actual knowledge.
They would not have crumbled if you had it already, so it was only the worthless stuff the system put into you that you lost.
Oh, and I am not talking about the subject of this thread, I am talking in general.
And I am glad to see you took time out rather than burn out.
Welcome back.

[aikisaw]

I watched the David Icke video "They Dare Not Speak Its Name ... ROTHSCHILD ZIONISM" Time 21:02

https://youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=dlEX1xD1wtM

It has nothing to do with the Holocaust in particular. It does speak about the propaganda that we are subject to as it relates to the Jewish people and the Zionist among them. How that propaganda is shaping the world as it now.

I am not that familiar with Icke's work and had to spend most of the day in the David Icke debunked thread just to make sure he had credibility. I came away with he is not perfect but a good man nonetheless. I found Icke's presentation in this video to very inspired and worth the look.

[Gustav]

I can't find my posts (my fault, I can't imagine them being deleted), but I made the claim, amongst others that Hitler did not abolish the parliament/reichstag. I have found the precise text and luckily I have remembered it differently than was stated. I must admit also than it was my own derivation than was that hitler also would not care if his national socialist parties would want to exterminate jews or not, build roads or not, etc. This was not mentioned in my information. I would have been correct in my statement if I had noted that National Socialism as an ideology led by Hitler did not abolish the reichstag, but 'packed' it and had followed the statement below. I'll be more precise next time.

From: Liberty or Democracy, E. Ritter von Kuehneldt-Leddihn, P.100 in book and p 111 in PDF-file

The common possession with Great Britain of the English language is not conducive to ideological imports entirely alien to the American scene. And it is interesting to note that National Socialism, repeatedly insisting on its democratic character, envisaged in the far future the restitution of parliamentary democracy of a thoroughly "American" character (see Chapter VI). This is probably the deeper reason why the Reichstag was only packed, never abolished. According to one of our informants the plan existed to revitalize the Reichstag once a new, thoroughly nazified generation had grown up. Then even a plurality of parties could be permitted, since all parties would automatically represent merely various shades of National Socialism. The " Americanization " of Germany then would be complete.

[Lord Sidious]

Ok, time to get this little thread rolling again.
Got a video in a couple of parts for you.
This is Ernst Zundel interviewing a prof in France called Roger Dommergue.
Roger is jewish and talking to Ernst about the holocaust and the 3rd Reich.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=purWmOFl8qc

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=TVU3I8dRtto

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=FqR0SHMsEMA

I just found this letter he wrote as well.
http://www.ety.com/HRP/letters/dommergue.htm
This is the exact thing I meant about liberating the jews and the rest of us from this story.

[Northern Boy]

One needs to look much deeper then the Nazi party to find the reasons for the Holocaust it also is not as it seems. It did happen but reasons why it happened need to be examined

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by Northern Boy (here)
One needs to look much deeper then the Nazi party to find the reasons for the Holocaust it also is not as it seems. It did happen but reasons why it happened need to be examined

What is IT that happened?
And why do you believe it?
If you are in Germany now and can't debate this for legal reasons, I have no problem with that.

[Northern Boy]

Hitler was a Jew Austrian . He was ordered to carry this out . Look at the end result of the holocaust . Prior to WW2 we had The League of Nations a precursor to The United Nations. Germany was broke in a horrible situation in order to fight a war they needed to borrow money who would provide it unless certain conditions were followed? Before the holocaust started Hilter questioned the need to kill the jews the bankers demanded it . The House of Rothschild has had its hand in every major event throughout humanity I have seen the list and if need be I`ll find it. They wanted a Global government and a permanent state for the jewish people they were jewish themselves. What better way to get these things then to sacrifice millions in the war to attain your end result . Israel and the UN on land donated by the Rockefeller family long standing allies of the Rothschilds.


Here if you want to read on Rothschild


http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBr...Rothschild.htm

[jackovesk]

Posted by Teakai (here)

Hi slvrfx, I figure if we don't open those worms, we'll be joining them

Prophetic words Teaki...Prophetic words..!

No more need to be scared of the the 'Big Bad Wolf' (SPLC) Southern Poverty Law Center!

They have been and continue to be minimalised by their own 'FearMongering Propaganda'!

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by Northern Boy (here)
Hitler was a Jew Austrian . He was ordered to carry this out . Look at the end result of the holocaust . Prior to WW2 we had The League of Nations a precursor to The United Nations. Germany was broke in a horrible situation in order to fight a war they needed to borrow money who would provide it unless certain conditions were followed? Before the holocaust started Hilter questioned the need to kill the jews the bankers demanded it . The House of Rothschild has had its hand in every major event throughout humanity I have seen the list and if need be I`ll find it. They wanted a Global government and a permanent state for the jewish people they were jewish themselves. What better way to get these things then to sacrifice millions in the war to attain your end result . Israel and the UN on land donated by the Rockefeller family long standing allies of the Rothschilds.

Aha, the old Hitler the jew story.
I would suggest to you that this old chestnut has been shown to be not true.
However, what you say about the rothschilds and their willingness to sacrifice their own for their goals, that is 100% true.

[Northern Boy]

I would suggest to you that this old chestnut has been shown to be not true.

Who has proven it to be not true Many Germans say it is

http://www.abelard.org/hitler/hitler.php
Background

Hitler’s father, Alois, was the ‘illegitimate’ son of Maria Anna Schicklgruber—she refused to name the father. This has led to much speculation, but the reality is that we have no certainty as to the father. Thus, Hitler was unable to produce the certificate of origin he required of every German citizen on hazard of death. The various rumours suggest as father of Alois: a Jew called Frankenberger, Johann Nepomuk Hüttler[1a], or one Trummelschlager who acted as godfather. Illegitimacy was widespread in the Waldviertel, now estimated at about 40%. The most persistent rumour is that his father was a Jew, possibly an itinerant trader, at Graz. What little ‘evidence’ there is, supports that rumour.

In 1877, at the age of 39, Alois Schicklgruber changed his name, effectively illegally, to Alois Hitler. It remains speculative whether ‘heil Schicklgruber’ would have resounded as far as ‘heil Hitler’. The name change was accepted by his employers. Alois was a fellow of unusual energy and, by becoming a customs officer, rose to the highest possible rank in the civil service available for his educational background.


Sounds to me like it could be very possible ............ I was born there I no longer live there

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by Northern Boy (here)

I would suggest to you that this old chestnut has been shown to be not true.

Who has proven it to be not true Many Germans say it is

With all due respect to you, Germans today know virtually nothing of their own recent history and those that do, end up in trouble.
Do you know who Reinhard Heydrich was?
Himmler had him investigate numerous times and the end result was always the same. Negative.
The rumour started at Nuremburg from Hans Frank, the governor of Poland.
By the way, when I ask you if you know who this is or that, I am not being a smart alec.
I realise the way things are in Germany today and also realise that much info is illegal there.

[karelia]

If Schicklgruber was part Jewish, it wouldn't matter anyway, since the Jews inherit their religion from their mother, not father, no?

Here is an interesting bit, from the site on the Rothchilds Northern Boy linked to above:

1933: On January 30, Adolf Hitler becomes Chancellor of Germany. He drives Jews, many of which were Communist out of Governmental positions within Germany. As a result of this, in July, the Jews hold a World Conference in Amsterdam during which they demand that Hitler re-instate every Jew back to his former position.

Hitler refuses and as a result of this, Samuel Untermyer, the Ashkenazi Jew who blackmailed President Wilson,and is now the head of the American delegation and the president of the whole conference, returns to the United States, and makes a speech on radio which was transcribed in the From the New York Times, Monday, August 7, 1933. In the speech he made the following statements,

"...the Jews are the aristocrats of the world...Our campaign is...the economic boycott against all German goods, shipping and services...What we are proposing...is to prosecute a purely defensive economic boycott that will undermine the Hitler regime and bring the German people to their senses by destroying their export trade on which their very existence depends...

...Each of you, Jew and Gentile alike...must refuse to deal with any merchant or shopkeeper who sells any German-made goods or who patronizes German ships or shipping."

As two thirds of Germany's food supply had to be imported, and could only be imported with the proceeds of what they exported, if Germany could not export, two thirds of Germany's population would starve, as there would be not enough food for more than one third of the population.

As a result of this boycott, Jews throughout America, would protest outside and damage any stores in which they found any products with, "Made in Germany," printed on them, causing stores to have to dump these products or risk bankruptcy.

Once the effects of this boycott began to be felt in Germany, the Germans, who had demonstrated no violence towards the Jews up to this point, simply began boycotting Jewish stores in the same way the Jews had done to stores selling German products in America.

Just shows clearly how they play entire nations...

[RedeZra]

Posted by Northern Boy (here)
One needs to look much deeper then the Nazi party to find the reasons for the Holocaust it also is not as it seems. It did happen but reasons why it happened need to be examined

why so certain

where you there ?


don't you know by now

that the PTB need to lie and deceive

to stay in power


if they told the truth then they would loose

so it's not in our best interest to still believe in lies


the Zionists need the Big lies to hide behind as they are so Big of blame

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by karelia (here)
If Schicklgruber was part Jewish, it wouldn't matter anyway, since the Jews inherit their religion from their mother, not father, no?

Here is an interesting bit, from the site on the Rothchilds Northern Boy linked to above:

1933: On January 30, Adolf Hitler becomes Chancellor of Germany. He drives Jews, many of which were Communist out of Governmental positions within Germany. As a result of this, in July, the Jews hold a World Conference in Amsterdam during which they demand that Hitler re-instate every Jew back to his former position.

Hitler refuses and as a result of this, Samuel Untermyer, the Ashkenazi Jew who blackmailed President Wilson,and is now the head of the American delegation and the president of the whole conference, returns to the United States, and makes a speech on radio which was transcribed in the From the New York Times, Monday, August 7, 1933. In the speech he made the following statements,

"...the Jews are the aristocrats of the world...Our campaign is...the economic boycott against all German goods, shipping and services...What we are proposing...is to prosecute a purely defensive economic boycott that will undermine the Hitler regime and bring the German people to their senses by destroying their export trade on which their very existence depends...

...Each of you, Jew and Gentile alike...must refuse to deal with any merchant or shopkeeper who sells any German-made goods or who patronizes German ships or shipping."

As two thirds of Germany's food supply had to be imported, and could only be imported with the proceeds of what they exported, if Germany could not export, two thirds of Germany's population would starve, as there would be not enough food for more than one third of the population.

As a result of this boycott, Jews throughout America, would protest outside and damage any stores in which they found any products with, "Made in Germany," printed on them, causing stores to have to dump these products or risk bankruptcy.

Once the effects of this boycott began to be felt in Germany, the Germans, who had demonstrated no violence towards the Jews up to this point, simply began boycotting Jewish stores in the same way the Jews had done to stores selling German products in America.

Just shows clearly how they play entire nations...

The rumour that Hans Frank started mentions one of Hitlers ancestors working for a rich jew in Austria and bearing his child.
Only problem?
No jews in that region for centuries due to expulsions.
As I said, Reinhard Heydrich had the job to find the truth and if anyone could, he could.

Further to what you posted, google this Germany Must Perish.
That is what they wanted.
And all this time later, the average jew is still the fall guy, still believes this crap and will pay later for all of this..................
unless we are successful and show enough people that we can change the paradigm.

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by Northern Boy (here)
One needs to look much deeper then the Nazi party to find the reasons for the Holocaust it also is not as it seems. It did happen but reasons why it happened need to be examined

why so certain

where you there ?


don't you know by now

that the PTB need to lie and deceive

to stay in power


if they told the truth then they would loose

It's ok. Look at where our brother is.
He is in Deutschland where this is all illegal.
Not only that, the traitors in power allow and promote the guilt industry that makes them believe this.
Castigate him not, lead him by the hand slowly we shall.
Mmmmmmmmm, now I sound like that little green communist.

That site our brother linked to; http://www.abelard.org/ is very interesting.
They talk about fractional reserve banking, then repeat rubbish about the number one enemy of that system in the history of the world, that we know of.

[RedeZra]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
It's ok. Look at where our brother is.
He is in Deutschland where this is all illegal.
Not only that, the traitors in power allow and promote the guilt industry that makes them believe this.
Castigate him not, lead him by the hand slowly we shall.
Mmmmmmmmm, now I sound like that little green communist.

It's not a castigation but a correction ; )


I try to right wrong when I see it

it's just a life long habit of mine

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
It's ok. Look at where our brother is.
He is in Deutschland where this is all illegal.
Not only that, the traitors in power allow and promote the guilt industry that makes them believe this.
Castigate him not, lead him by the hand slowly we shall.
Mmmmmmmmm, now I sound like that little green communist.

It's not a castigation but a correction ; )


I try to right wrong when I see it

it's just a life long habit of mine

Ok, fair enough, I better call off the airstrikes then.

[araucaria]

I'm only on page 5 and this fascinating thread is already zipping off in all directions . So et me start by saying something I won't be reading in the next ten pages.

My daughter is currently writing up her history thesis on deportees to a concentration camp (Mauthausen). These historians are not mathematicians and their sampling methods often leave a lot to be desired, nothing sinister there.

My daughter has focused on a group where no one is left by the wayside. It includes common law criminals, communists and people who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. She has examined each individual's file and her conclusions, whatever they are, will therefore be unassailable from the standpoint of sampling.

Obviously given the huge numbers of deportees, this is not going to happen anytime soon for them all. But ultimately, a holocaust is the sum total of individual cases that need to be counted. The figure of 5-6 million Jewish deaths predates the actual event by 30-40 years. I have a reference somewhere. We know a lot of people were killed in WW2, but who, and when, and where, and how, that is the question. How many is the end point of this research not the starting point.

I have a second point with regard to a little known Jewish settlement in the Soviet Union in the 1920s (!) which I fear was a victim of its own success; I shall quote from Ron Chernow, The Warburgs, p 292-3:

"The saga of the Soviet Jewish farm settlements is a forgotten chapter of history. The project spoke to a long-standing Jewish dream of escaping from job restrictions imposed upon European Jews since medieval times. Farming held an ancient attraction for Jewish urbanities. (...) As bankers who were dismayed by invidious clichés about Jewish cleverness with money, the Warburgs favored Jews entering the full spectrum of employment (...) The scale of Agri-Joint colonization was awesome. In a dozen years, it transplanted more than a quarter-million Soviet Jews to 215 colonies spread over two and a half million acres of land. They rode a thousand American-made tractors (...) The bulk of Zionists, however, regarded the colonies as a dangerous distraction.'

And yet, we are told, it was the Soviets who pulled the plug on this venture. Go figure. There was a solution outside of Palestine, back in 1924, but then resettling the Jews was perhaps never the main issue.

Incidentally, I think this is a great example for us at Avalon thinking about a new and different future. We need to look at and build on its achievements, and fully understand how it never came about.

I had a third point, I'll come back later.

[RedeZra]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
It's ok. Look at where our brother is.
He is in Deutschland where this is all illegal.
Not only that, the traitors in power allow and promote the guilt industry that makes them believe this.
Castigate him not, lead him by the hand slowly we shall.
Mmmmmmmmm, now I sound like that little green communist.

It's not a castigation but a correction ; )


I try to right wrong when I see it

it's just a life long habit of mine

Ok, fair enough, I better call off the airstrikes then.

no no send them

I want to destroy something

[aikisaw]

FYI in reference to living in Germany.

Northern Boy


Sounds to me like it could be very possible ............ I was born there I no longer live there

Lord Sidious
This is Ernst Zundel interviewing a prof in France called Roger Dommergue.
Roger is jewish and talking to Ernst about the holocaust and the 3rd Reich.

I just found this letter he wrote as well.
http://www.ety.com/HRP/letters/dommergue.htm
This is the exact thing I meant about liberating the jews and the rest of us from this story.

I liked the videos and the letter. Very powerful revelations in both.

I remember reading about Hitler helping with the founding of Israel.
I did not have time to do much research at the time. Here is a paragraph and the link. Pretty good deal in my opinion. http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Arch.../msg00514.html

Chancellor A. Hitler

Adolf Hitler became Chancellor of Germany in January 1933, and on the
7th August 1933 he entered into a Pact with representatives of the
World Jewish Agency, the future Leaders of Israel. The Pact was called
the 'Haavara' Agreement. 'Haavara in Hebrew means much like, 'Moving
house'. The Ha'avara Agreement, was an agreement between the Jews
living in Germany and Germany specifically allowing Jews living in
Germany, the privilege of taking their money with them, usually by a
round about means, to Palestine.

Please excuse if I read it in this thread . My brain is starting to turn to mush.
I'm pretty sure I found out about it on another blog. I just can't remember.

[karelia]

Posted by aikisaw (here)

(respectfully snipped)

I did not have time to do much research at the time. Here is a paragraph and the link. Pretty good deal in my opinion. http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Arch.../msg00514.html

At the bottom of that link is another link I found interesting: http://www.codoh.com/viewpoints/vpauswanderung.html

Reading up on the Germany Must Perish tip from Lord Sidious, my conclusion is that whilst sterilisation of Germans was not achieved, the dilution of "German stock" (sorry, can't think of a better term) was certainly achieved. In the 1960s at the latest, single-mother family units sky-rocketed throughout Germany. Wherever there was an American base nearby, there were single mothers raising their half-American children very single-handedly. Why? Because if a German pregnant woman or mother tried to get child support from the American soldier who'd impregnated her, the Army HQ or embassy contacted would simply deny any help whatsoever. Those women were alone, very alone, because in the eyes of the American government as well as the German government, American soldiers "wouldn't do that." There are at the very least hundreds of thousands of half-Americans in Germany today, probably closer to millions, so, yes, not many "pure-blood" Germans around.