Widespread Conspiracy Memes vs Real Awareness!

[ExomatrixTV]

Posted by Tintin (here)
Actually, David Icke might for once be wrong here

I can't access the Telegram account from work; who is the 'top' political scientist being quoted here? The source? (Smells a little like black propaganda being circulated.) Just a hunch.

Nobody is pure as the driven snow of course and that would apply to VP too but there are factions at play opposed to him, as well as those that support him.

It seems a rapid growing trend that more and more "alternative media platforms" spread accusatory claims with no real sources given, no honest proper context given ... And in the world of diplomacy, politicians are not necessarily "in bed with each other" when shaking hands and/or smiling in front of a camera for the press.

I personally find it really extremely harrowing dumb that people use that as "evidence" claiming "they all are part of the same agenda" ... Meanwhile, I know that so many fall for this "guilty by association" assumption ... There are so many examples of people who really do not work together but are pushed to at least "talk to each other" so that others can have more peaceful beneficial common grounds/prosperties/economics etc ... In other words, both sides may represent different fractions of people who do not want endless wars nor economic sanctions etc. etc.

• I have always known that in "diplomacy" is not what it seems!

It seems "friendly" it seems "they love it" ... but is all an act to show they know how the game is played ... That does not mean they "must" be part of a deeper agenda >>> but for certain "conspiracy researchers" it seems that way <<< and I get that, but I find it still dumb, sorry ... Yes, on super high levels that is beyond all the puppet politicians they have an end-goal and that is totalitarian technocratic "global governance"!

But not all (allegedly) "puppet politicians" have to go along with sacrificing so much for WEF - Agenda2030 - NetZero2050 - Great Reset - CBDC/ESG - NWO Tyranny - Depopulation Agenda etc.

If you know you are being used, but you have different plans, that is the opposite of the NWO Tyranny ... How would you plan to win this battle? ... By showing all cards openly, or do you have to use (partly) deception tactics to fool your "overlords" that you do not want them to succeed!

• This issue, is something I always struggle with ... I never like mind-games & deceptive tactics, but these things seem inevitable in a world of fighting very powerful global psychopathic control freaks!

You can choose to do things that are done to outsmart these psychopaths ... at the same time you will be accused of "working for them" even if it is not the case.

It is so easy talking & judging on the side-line safely behind your desktop computer, safe from any consequences ... The "conspiracy accusations" on so many levels has become completely mainstream ... So much so, you do not even register as "awkward" anymore.

Too many are part of this discussion now that the vast majority can safely discuss this now ... Yes, there is still global coordinated censorship going on BUT it is not working for them, it only helps the resistance to grow faster!

In short: "nothing is as it seems" but this also goes for so many: "conspiracy memes" especially when there are no proper sources given! >>> Conjecture mixed with assumptions is partly the "new normal" in the "conspiracy research" world nowadays!



cheers,
John Kuhles aka 'ExomatrixTV'
July 10th, 2023 🦜🦋🌳

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• @Bill Ryan. Quote (quoting me first):

It seems a rapid growing trend that more and more "alternative media platforms" spread accusatory claims with no real sources given, no honest proper context given ...

Yes. The davidicke.com website post quoted was very unlikely to have been written by David himself, and it merely copied a Russophobic Daily Mail article verbatim. Totally lazy and unthinking, and whoever did that should have known better."

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related topic:

• Meme Your Memeiest Memes Thread ...

[BlankReg5]

Hello,

I believe , from a US perspective, this campaign of disinformation is intentional and we will be seeing a lot more of it in the near future, including from "mainstream" media. It is designed to erode trust in media to provide unbiased, accurate information while providing a vehicle for the dissemination of the approved dogma. This will make it harder for legitimate news organizations to maintain credibility. Fake news will be the norm. This in turn, will lead to calls for more regulations (censorship). Are we there yet?

Speculation: Unvetted information will be released to the American public causing widespread violence (think France 2.0). If disinformation becomes uncontrollable under current regulations, extreme measures will be imposed. This will happen sometime before the 2024 elections in the USA. Just a "wild" guess.

Peace
john

[ExomatrixTV]

• When an Accusation like 'Controlled Opposition' Loses its Value!

I have shared many "conspiracy research" insights that I have accumulated/experienced the last 33 years in that Project Avalon Thread.

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[norman]

The emphasis on nailed down facts is good as far as it goes.

But, in my observing experience, the bigger the crime ( and so the higher the stakes, for the criminal ) the harder it is to get our hands on nailable facts. People die over nailable facts regularly.

A well honed intuition doesn't usually get much respect, even though there are secret programs that use variations of it (allegedly ). It doesn't replace solid trails of evidence as are required in our almost totally corrupt justice systems but it does, or can, get us around the tactical advantage of powerful evidence elimination into a position that's more abreast of where the crooks are up to. That's significant, because it helps us get inside the minds of the crooks, in real time, instead of always being miles back down the track behind them, clutching our small clusters of historic evidence.

I'm specifically talking about a well honed intuition, NOT a rampaging rumour mill full of operators and counter operators etc.

The rules of objectivity themselves are a creation of the system that's crushing us.

'Real Awareness' what IS that ? Does it not include a healthy guiding intuition that rises above those nasty little objectivity wriggle space tricks ?

[PlasmaVortex]

I think attempting to form a sort of epistemological cartel on the basis of your own research is counter to helping new researchers grow, who gets to decide what a good source is?

For example, when a respected researcher of institutional standing (Dr) Joseph p Farrell engaged in the enemies use of the Cunard of anti semitism which stifles knowledge about major issues such as sabbata sevi, Jacob frank, the Jewish messiah etc, therefore a new researcher will inevitably come to a fork in the road as competing information holding the same apparent/evidentiary value. For example the opposing paradigm to Dr Jpfs world war 2 narrative paradigm includes beliefs that 70 million people dying in a world war was initiated by radical Judaism of all colours and creeds which can also be backed up. For the new researcher this will inevitably cause cognitive dissonance if that person is particularly wise to the games/goals/realms of concern in religion based politics such as the slaughter of the goyim being okay according to the talmud, combined with the words of the people in those respective religions, provided they be taken at their face value and a simple analysis of who owns the world's consensus forming apparatus i.e the mind control being under Jewish control rather than Zionist control (which doesn't encapsulate the totality of the phenomena). The point being how does the new researcher discern the objective truth with this much divergence of opinion on what is objectively valuable as a source of information. Judaism is a good example of an incredibly loaded topic that invokes allsorts of bigotry on all sides of the debate.

I ask these sorts of questions because I struggle with them internally myself and I consider it a minefield when you have enough data soon realize that the totality of reality might be beyond the scope of the human experience.

Edit: I totally misinterpreted the threads intended discourse

[ExomatrixTV]

• Conspiracy Memes Poll 2023 created today
  

[Michi]

Only saw once I voted that it was a multiple choice poll and missed the one about presenting sources for memes.

Related: Yesterday I wrote an email to a German beverage manufacturer, urging them to make their products without Sucralose (E955) and using Stevia or Xylit instead.
I could have left it by that but instead included a link for a recent study about that (which I got actually from the Yuka app - really cool).
Shortly I received the reply from them, that they forwarded my email.
Not sure if they did - but in any case, it's better with related source material then just appearing like a conspiracy guy.

[PlasmaVortex]

Posted by PlasmaVortex (here)
I think attempting to form a sort of epistemological cartel on the basis of your own research is counter to helping new researchers grow, who gets to decide what a good source is?

For example, when a respected researcher of institutional standing (Dr) Joseph p Farrell engaged in the enemies use of the Cunard of anti semitism which stifles knowledge about major issues such as sabbata sevi, Jacob frank, the Jewish messiah etc, therefore a new researcher will inevitably come to a fork in the road as competing information holding the same apparent/evidentiary value. For example the opposing paradigm to Dr Jpfs world war 2 narrative paradigm includes beliefs that 70 million people dying in a world war was initiated by radical Judaism of all colours and creeds which can also be backed up. For the new researcher this will inevitably cause cognitive dissonance if that person is particularly wise to the games/goals/realms of concern in religion based politics such as the slaughter of the goyim being okay according to the talmud, combined with the words of the people in those respective religions, provided they be taken at their face value and a simple analysis of who owns the world's consensus forming apparatus i.e the mind control being under Jewish control rather than Zionist control (which doesn't encapsulate the totality of the phenomena). The point being how does the new researcher discern the objective truth with this much divergence of opinion on what is objectively valuable as a source of information. Judaism is a good example of an incredibly loaded topic that invokes allsorts of bigotry on all sides of the debate.

I ask these sorts of questions because I struggle with them internally myself and I consider it a minefield when you have enough data soon realize that the totality of reality might be beyond the scope of the human experience.

Edit: I totally misinterpreted the threads intended discourse

Sorry for the rant comment I thought we were talking about the memes in discourse as opposed to internet memes

[ExomatrixTV]

It seems a growing trend that more and more "conspiracy researchers" share >>> accusatory claims <<< without adding the necessary source links, so that we can study WHY they are "so sure" of things!

• I wonder how we should deal with this growing trend respectfully, as part of me is totally fed up with that!

For the record: I have nothing against "accusatory claims" as long as they are 100% truthful, and I am almost always open-minded enough to consider the possibility ... So it is not me who tries to dismiss it by default >>> I just postpone final judgment until the accuser can back up their claims with irrefutable evidence that can be triple checked & verified!

• If the accuser refuses to do so, then I realize I wasted my time on reading their claims ... Which is happening more and more last few months ... I wonder why that is.

• I also like to believe that Project Avalon Forum stands out in having higher standards in how we deal with (highly) controversial issues/topics ... And in this context me using the word: "believe" is correct

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

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[norman]

John, you are going to have to elaborate on what you mean by accusatory claims before I'll know what you are talking about.

[ExomatrixTV]

Posted by norman (here)
John, you are going to have to elaborate on what you mean by accusatory claims before I'll know what you are talking about.

• like this and this and this and this and this and this and this and this and I have dozens more examples!

But in general, accusations that someone within the Alternative Media or Conspiracy Research world "must" be a:

• Shill
• Controlled Opposition
• Pedophile
• Rapist
• Racist
• Fascist
• Neo-Nazi
• Troll
• Poser
• Dis-info Agent
• Faker
• Fraud
• Scammer
• Hoaxer
• Criminal
• Stealer
• Serial Liar
• Zionist
• Jesuit
• Freemason
• Part of a "Jewish Conspiracy"
• "Government Agent"
• "Doing it only for the money"
• "Putin apologist"
• etc. etc.

For the record: I have nothing against 24 types of "accusatory claims" I just listed, as long as they are 100% truthful/correct, and I am almost always open-minded enough to consider the possibility ... So it is not me who tries to dismiss it by default >>> I just postpone final judgment until the accuser can back up their claims with irrefutable evidence that can be triple checked & verified!

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[PlasmaVortex]

Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)

Posted by norman (here)
John, you are going to have to elaborate on what you mean by accusatory claims before I'll know what you are talking about.

• like this and this and this and this and this and this and this and this

But in general, accusations that someone within the Alternative Media or Conspiracy Research world "must" be a:

• Shill
• Controlled Opposition
• Pedophile
• Rapist
• Racist
• Fascist
• Neo-Nazi
• Troll
• Poser
• Faker
• Serial Liar
• Zionist
• Jesuit
• Freemason
• Part of a "Jewish Conspiracy"
• "Government Agent"
• "Doing it only for the money"
• "Putin apologist"
• etc. etc.

For the record: I have nothing against "accusatory claims" as long as they are 100% truthful, and I am almost always open-minded enough to consider the possibility ... So it is not me who tries to dismiss it by default >>> I just postpone final judgment before the accuser can back up their claims with irrefutable evidence that can be triple checked & verified!

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

Your obsession with the alternative media being some kind of bastion of truth is completely counter to reality when people refuse to talk about certain topics when the evidence points otherwise and they are therefore are guilty by omission, by dismissing things out of hand you are complicit in the repression of truth john. How much evidence do we need? What is your baseline of evidence for someone being controlled opposition john? Do you get to decide the burden of evidence based on 55 years of patronising people for having an informed opinion by trying to use radical empiricism instead of being merely empirical. I know you will probably just post your usual cookie cutter copy and paste response but i think you are using sophistry(clever use of lies) when i have given you the sources you dismissed them INSTANTLY without synoptically forming an appropriate conclusion of reasonable nature. I'm pretty convinced you are completely out of touch with reality John.

Joe Rogan- links to Stratfor- look at who books his guests
Alex jones- Stratfor
Whitney webb- controlled opposition/limited hangout/
Joseph Farrell- Gatekeeper/disinformation merchant/tried to sabotage judy woods book/committed plagiarism.
Micheal e jones- Links to the kremlin

[ExomatrixTV]

Posted by PlasmaVortex (here)

Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)

Posted by norman (here)
John, you are going to have to elaborate on what you mean by accusatory claims before I'll know what you are talking about.

• like this and this and this and this and this and this and this and this

But in general, accusations that someone within the Alternative Media or Conspiracy Research world "must" be a:

• Shill
• Controlled Opposition
• Pedophile
• Rapist
• Racist
• Fascist
• Neo-Nazi
• Troll
• Poser
• Dis-info Agent
• Faker
• Fraud
• Scammer
• Hoaxer
• Criminal
• Stealer
• Serial Liar
• Zionist
• Jesuit
• Freemason
• Part of a "Jewish Conspiracy"
• "Government Agent"
• "Doing it only for the money"
• "Putin apologist"
• etc. etc.

For the record: I have nothing against 24 types of "accusatory claims" I just listed, as long as they are 100% truthful/correct, and I am almost always open-minded enough to consider the possibility ... So it is not me who tries to dismiss it by default >>> I just postpone final judgment until the accuser can back up their claims with irrefutable evidence that can be triple checked & verified!

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

Your obsession with the alternative media being some kind of bastion of truth is completely counter to reality when people refuse to talk about certain topics when the evidence points otherwise and they are therefore are guilty by omission, by dismissing things out of hand you are complicit in the repression of truth john. How much evidence do we need? What is your baseline of evidence for someone being controlled opposition john? Do you get to decide the burden of evidence based on 55 years of patronising people for having an informed opinion by trying to use radical empiricism instead of being merely empirical. I know you will probably just post your usual cookie cutter copy and paste response but i think you are using sophistry(clever use of lies) when i have given you the sources you dismissed them INSTANTLY without synoptically forming an appropriate conclusion of reasonable nature. I'm pretty convinced you are completely out of touch with reality John.

For the record: I have nothing against 24 types of "accusatory claims" I just listed, as long as they are 100% truthful/correct, and I am almost always open-minded enough to consider the possibility ... So it is not me who tries to dismiss it by default >>> I just postpone final judgment until the accuser can back up their claims with irrefutable evidence that can be triple checked & verified!

[PlasmaVortex]

Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)

Posted by PlasmaVortex (here)

Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)

Posted by norman (here)
John, you are going to have to elaborate on what you mean by accusatory claims before I'll know what you are talking about.

• like this and this and this and this and this and this and this and this

But in general, accusations that someone within the Alternative Media or Conspiracy Research world "must" be a:

• Shill
• Controlled Opposition
• Pedophile
• Rapist
• Racist
• Fascist
• Neo-Nazi
• Troll
• Poser
• Dis-info Agent
• Faker
• Fraud
• Scammer
• Hoaxer
• Criminal
• Stealer
• Serial Liar
• Zionist
• Jesuit
• Freemason
• Part of a "Jewish Conspiracy"
• "Government Agent"
• "Doing it only for the money"
• "Putin apologist"
• etc. etc.

For the record: I have nothing against 24 types of "accusatory claims" I just listed, as long as they are 100% truthful/correct, and I am almost always open-minded enough to consider the possibility ... So it is not me who tries to dismiss it by default >>> I just postpone final judgment until the accuser can back up their claims with irrefutable evidence that can be triple checked & verified!

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

Your obsession with the alternative media being some kind of bastion of truth is completely counter to reality when people refuse to talk about certain topics when the evidence points otherwise and they are therefore are guilty by omission, by dismissing things out of hand you are complicit in the repression of truth john. How much evidence do we need? What is your baseline of evidence for someone being controlled opposition john? Do you get to decide the burden of evidence based on 55 years of patronising people for having an informed opinion by trying to use radical empiricism instead of being merely empirical. I know you will probably just post your usual cookie cutter copy and paste response but i think you are using sophistry(clever use of lies) when i have given you the sources you dismissed them INSTANTLY without synoptically forming an appropriate conclusion of reasonable nature. I'm pretty convinced you are completely out of touch with reality John.

For the record: I have nothing against 24 types of "accusatory claims" I just listed, as long as they are 100% truthful/correct, and I am almost always open-minded enough to consider the possibility ... So it is not me who tries to dismiss it by default >>> I just postpone final judgment until the accuser can back up their claims with irrefutable evidence that can be triple checked & verified!

i wont be replying to your nonsense anymore. You haven't produced a single decent source since i've been here, its literally ALL been low tier alternative media complex limited hangout information not 1 single source you have produced that i felt wow you know this is really truthful. based upon 15 years research i make these claims. I think you're complicit in spreading half truths and disinformation like a large majority of this forum.

[ExomatrixTV]

Posted by PlasmaVortex (here)

Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)

Posted by PlasmaVortex (here)

Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)

Posted by norman (here)
John, you are going to have to elaborate on what you mean by accusatory claims before I'll know what you are talking about.

• like this and this and this and this and this and this and this and this

But in general, accusations that someone within the Alternative Media or Conspiracy Research world "must" be a:

• Shill
• Controlled Opposition
• Pedophile
• Rapist
• Racist
• Fascist
• Neo-Nazi
• Troll
• Poser
• Dis-info Agent
• Faker
• Fraud
• Scammer
• Hoaxer
• Criminal
• Stealer
• Serial Liar
• Zionist
• Jesuit
• Freemason
• Part of a "Jewish Conspiracy"
• "Government Agent"
• "Doing it only for the money"
• "Putin apologist"
• etc. etc.

For the record: I have nothing against 24 types of "accusatory claims" I just listed, as long as they are 100% truthful/correct, and I am almost always open-minded enough to consider the possibility ... So it is not me who tries to dismiss it by default >>> I just postpone final judgment until the accuser can back up their claims with irrefutable evidence that can be triple checked & verified!

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

Your obsession with the alternative media being some kind of bastion of truth is completely counter to reality when people refuse to talk about certain topics when the evidence points otherwise and they are therefore are guilty by omission, by dismissing things out of hand you are complicit in the repression of truth john. How much evidence do we need? What is your baseline of evidence for someone being controlled opposition john? Do you get to decide the burden of evidence based on 55 years of patronising people for having an informed opinion by trying to use radical empiricism instead of being merely empirical. I know you will probably just post your usual cookie cutter copy and paste response but i think you are using sophistry(clever use of lies) when i have given you the sources you dismissed them INSTANTLY without synoptically forming an appropriate conclusion of reasonable nature. I'm pretty convinced you are completely out of touch with reality John.

For the record: I have nothing against 24 types of "accusatory claims" I just listed, as long as they are 100% truthful/correct, and I am almost always open-minded enough to consider the possibility ... So it is not me who tries to dismiss it by default >>> I just postpone final judgment until the accuser can back up their claims with irrefutable evidence that can be triple checked & verified!

i wont be replying to your nonsense anymore be gone bills boy

• I highly recommend everybody to read what Bill Ryan writes here

[PlasmaVortex]

see this thread https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...-mods-protocol

[ExomatrixTV]

Posted by PlasmaVortex (here)
I think you're complicit in spreading half truths and disinformation like a large majority of this forum.

If you are so sure about that, then why are you here?

[PlasmaVortex]

Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)

Posted by PlasmaVortex (here)
I think you're complicit in spreading half truths and disinformation like a large majority of this forum.

If you are so sure of that, then why are you here?

Big baby John asking me to justify my existence = fail
You lack even a modicum of English etiquette yet you use the language asif you were a god amongst men. I think you're days of forum bullying are over aslong as there's people like me that can see right through your sycophant pedantry. You have zero soul, zer

[PlasmaVortex]

Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)

Posted by PlasmaVortex (here)
I think you're complicit in spreading half truths and disinformation like a large majority of this forum.

If you are so sure of that, then why are you here?

You are an ant in the afterbirth of a great becoming and yet you realize nothing.

[ExomatrixTV]

Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)
It seems a growing trend that more and more "conspiracy researchers" share >>> accusatory claims <<< without adding the necessary source links, so that we can study WHY they are "so sure" of things!

• I wonder how we should deal with this growing trend respectfully, as part of me is totally fed up with that!

For the record: I have nothing against "accusatory claims" as long as they are 100% truthful, and I am almost always open-minded enough to consider the possibility ... So it is not me who tries to dismiss it by default >>> I just postpone final judgment until the accuser can back up their claims with irrefutable evidence that can be triple checked & verified!

• If the accuser refuses to do so, then I realize I wasted my time on reading their claims ... Which is happening more and more last few months ... I wonder why that is.

• I also like to believe that Project Avalon Forum stands out in having higher standards in how we deal with (highly) controversial issues/topics ... And in this context me using the word: "believe" is correct

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

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related cross-posting:

Posted by s7e6e (here)
I'm sorry for stirring up everyone's emotions over this, but I am not sorry for my gut feeling nor sharing it publicly. To further clear things up, I never asked the question, I just spoke my mind about it. It is Bill Ryan who's asking the community.

In general terms: if you @s7e6e chose to (and/or):

• Suggest
• Insinuate
• Judge
• Imply
• Assume
• Challenge
• Point to
• Indicate
• Defy
• Frame
• Label
• Brand
• Summon
• Charge
• Incriminate
• Hold some one accountable
• Point the finger at
• Blame
• Allege
• Attribute
• Bring charges
• Attack verbally (direct or indirectly)
• Accuse Foul Play or Someone being Compromised

To anyone that is highly respected ... you know you also have to "face the music":

... and show to us that you care, by responding to all valid legit points that are made that contradict your assumptions.

If not ... and your mind is already made up ... (because your "gut feeling" supersede anything else?) ... what is the point of all this?

• And in my view, this insight/wisdom applies to all of us.

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

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Posted by norman (here)
John, you are going to have to elaborate on what you mean by accusatory claims before I'll know what you are talking about.

• like this and this and this and this and this and this and this and this and I have dozens more examples!

But in general, accusations that someone within the Alternative Media or Conspiracy Research world "must" be a:

• Shill
• Controlled Opposition
• Pedophile
• Rapist
• Racist
• Fascist
• Neo-Nazi
• Troll
• Poser
• Dis-info Agent
• Faker
• Fraud
• Scammer
• Hoaxer
• Criminal
• Stealer
• Serial Liar
• Zionist
• Jesuit
• Freemason
• Part of a "Jewish Conspiracy"
• "Government Agent"
• "Doing it only for the money"
• "Putin apologist"
• etc. etc.

For the record: I have nothing against 24 types of "accusatory claims" I just listed, as long as they are 100% truthful/correct, and I am almost always open-minded enough to consider the possibility ... So it is not me who tries to dismiss it by default >>> I just postpone final judgment until the accuser can back up their claims with irrefutable evidence that can be triple checked & verified!

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

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