The Raw Primal Diet vs Vegetarianism

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Mu2143 (here)
This one I have purchased .
http://www.company4you.nl/shop/produ...oducts_id=1475

The B-12 supplement I use is Swanson Ultra Dr. Mercola's Vitamin B-12 Spray, but I do not know if it is pure vegan.

(The Swanson website has been painfully slow of late - not sure what's up with that.)

[Limor Wolf]

Posted by Chinaski (here)

Posted by LIMOR (here)

Chinaski originally posted:

would just like to add a couple things here. i've never been to a restaurant and seen death on the menu. or negative energy. or fear. they're called STEAKS. or CHICKEN BREASTS. i'm not inhaling the scared soul of a cow, so please, enough of the pseudo-spiritual esoteria. i've never eaten a steak and suddenly felt petrified. ive never oink-oinked in terror after enjoying a pork chop. ive never cuckle doodle do'd and ran from an invisible butcher after a dinner of chicken breasts. if you enjoy a vegetarian diet, great. but please stop trying to equate meat eaters with Hitler. thank you.

would just like to add a couple things here.

i'v never read any newspaper and saw any 'rulling elites' that controll the world,or sensed any negetive energy or fear thrown at me from the royal family or the vatican.they are called KINGS AND QUEENS or HIGHLY RELIGIOUS PEOPLE. i'm not effected from the advertisments on television,so please,enough of the pseudo-conspirational so called 'agenda'.
i have never listened to George Bush giving a speech and suddenly felt petrified.i have never oink-oinked in terror after being checked by scanners machines at the airport (after all its for my own security).i have never ran from an invisible 'man in black' that are part of some secret organisation.if you enjoy conspiracy theories,great. but please stop trying to equate senior politicians and leaders who try to do their best to some kind of satanists...thank you.

(sigh) Why,oh why can't we just see (or feel)...

*sorry my friend chinaski,please dont take it personal

hi limor, no worries. i don't take it personal at all. i thought it was a clever response, actually lol!

as far as my similiar comments, i was really attempting sarcasm(perhaps unsuccessfully) to make a point.

me too.

allow me another one:its not always only about US.even if something is good for us but will be on the expense of someone else,it might be worth considering again..

however,i am not interested to 'hijack' this thread from its original topic as intended by Rayne T.those 'arguments' are a never ending story... and no one convincing no one.
life will do its 'job' for each of us and eventually we will know what is best for us and everyone/everything involved.

have a good night :)

[Rayne T.]

Posted by Peace of Mind (here)

Posted by Rayne T. (here)

Posted by Peace of Mind (here)
Well, speaking from my experience and a few others close to me… I/we have never been better physically as well as mentally once we stopped consuming death. I sleep a lot less (about 4 to 5 hours daily) and have plenty of energy to do all the average everyday deeds. It’s been over a decade since I’ve killed anything or eating something that clearly shows me it doesn’t want to be eating. IMO, when you live off of the Land/Earth, you are taking what mother Earth has provided for you. Meat is the flesh of animals (like you). It is not a necessity; it’s a con to keep your frequency low. Eating death/animal flesh becomes you…and your environment…due to the mentality cultivated by negative consumption. You might not see this as being wrong simply because of conditioning; you’re use to the craving and taste. You are what you eat…

Logically, digesting negative energy can’t be good…
We can live without it, we can easily substitute it. We are intelligent creatures who can make that choice (unlike other Earthly inhabitants). We are being tested daily in every way. It will be our commitments to pro-life, our decisions on how we co-exist with all other sentient beings that will be very important. Would you like it if some creature ate your child and/or your parents, how will that make you feel? I strongly believe the planet has been rapped of most of its vegetation (on land and in sea). This was probably done on purpose or thru a catastrophic event…causing famine and a taste for blood/flesh for all Earthly creatures. Maybe this is one of the reasons why some think we are in the last days…our way of living is not living…its hypocrisy.

Peace

The positive health changes you experienced sounds like the same changes I experienced when I quit the vegetarian diet, and began to add raw meat and raw fat to my diet. My energy is awesome! You say that meat is not a necessity, however I would have died without it. I don't know if you read my opening post to this thread, but I explain that.

I disagree with you when you say that the other creatures on this planet aren't intelligent. They lack linear thought processes, but they are actually quite intelligent. They have "knowing" rather than collected information. This is something we need more of.

Actually I don't eat meat because of conditioning, but because of what I have experienced and learned. I was vegetarian before I changed over to the primal diet, so my conditioning was for vegetarianism.

I have a different but similar belief to yours....I believe that we are being steered toward vegetarianism because of it's detrimental health effects. Beans, grains, nuts, and seeds - the vegetarian sources of proteins are all difficult to digest and lead to debilitating disease. "They" don't care whether you are vegan or not as long as you are eating unhealthy food that will eventually destroy your mind and body. In fact, it seems obvious to me that when it comes to the abuse and pollution going on in factory farms, "they" are being quite opportunistic. Get the public clamoring to end the abuse and pollution so that they can take away an extremely healthy source of food - meat. Not saying that factory farmed meat is healthy. I am saying that they will use that to get all meat eating banned.

Hi there, Rayne T...

I see where you're coming from...and going.

I used to play football, so I was always a health nut. What I and a few others I know experienced was more of a mental spiritual lifting when we decided to end our flesh eating.

I remember being told that spirits from the highest realm come to talk to you but they are hesitant when you have a certain type of energy signature…meaning the negative energy in the consumption of death/flesh. This is real to me because I’ve been involved in and witnessed some very negative things before my transition. Now I’m experiencing some beautiful things in life, my body is going through some unexplainable changes (heightened senses and possibly unlocking dormant abilities). My mind has become so vivid that most of my thoughts seem to need a complex language to explain them.

When ever I smell cooked flesh it’s nauseating. Eating flesh will most certainly make me sick because my body is cleansed of it. All my body’s cells are re-new and not one of them needs a pinch of meat to operate to their full potential.

Mostly every report giving to the masses from the FDA or any controlled institution are filled with lies. All they want to do is make you sick so they can drug you. They tell you what your body needs instead of you listening to it yourself. None of this is Rocket science…people just need to trust themselves…I can’t say that enough.

My body tells me the truth not some person who has never met me or done any health test on me. I don’t need someone with selfish plans to inform me on how to take care of myself. My mind, body and soul are thankful for that. What I write here is my testimony; but, it might mean something to someone who is considering a change in their energy field.

I know animals are intelligent species; it’s unfortunate that most humans don’t have the capacity or patience to learn from them.

As I said in an earlier post I’m prepared to die before I put another piece of dead flesh inside God’s temple. Death is no stranger to me. Seen it and almost became it. I don’t fear it one bit because we will meet in due time…so I will live in complete LIFE until then. Fear is not a part of me; I actually despise (lack of a better word) cowards, because they hinder the WHOLE by being hesitant in doing their part. Maybe people have too much fear because that is part of the energy they consume from meat….how were the animals feeling before they were killed for food? I actually feel sorry for the ones that do fear death...they will have no problem taking another innocent life just to save their own, when it probably should be the other way around. The global conditioning has been efficient…as well as damaging.

We are only going to be living for a minute, so I’ve learned to not fear the inevitable. Life here is temporary, my existence out of this body matters more to me than what I do while occupying it,temporarily. In other words…this is part of my preparation for that unavoidable journey outside of the meat suit we’re currently carrying. So, I’m glad for my being as you should be for yours…

I’m not here to convince anyone, but to leave something to ponder for those that are interested. After all…the choice has always been yours…that’s what this school called Earth is all about…

Peace

Hi, thanks for your post. I don't eat cooked meat. Cooked is certainly dead. I eat meat raw, that 's what the raw primal diet is based on- that and raw fats, veggies, fruits, and unheated honey.

I can say that I have a pretty clear clean connection with my High Self and guides now, none of the fear and negativity that you are imagining. No disrespect intended, but you have some beliefs and emotional charges around these issues. You say you "despise" cowards, and you sound very judgemental - this is projection.


Love and Light, Rayne

[Rayne T.]

Posted by Peace of Mind (here)
Chinaski,

If you don’t believe what I have to say that’s cool with me. And I’m definitely not going to tell you what to do. I’m just providing some insight to those that are interested. It’s not hard for me to see why you and others are dealing with certain health issues. If you think you need meat then you will…it’s really that simple. I don’t believe “I need to eat another animal or I’ll die.” If you want to, fine. I’m sure many don’t.
I’m speaking on behalf of the animals, and maybe some that are against flesh eating because of what it does (as I explained). I hope you do know at the time of these animals death they excrete toxins into the blood…which the flesh is soaked in, right?

Peace of Mind, you're prepared to die before you put meat in your body because your particular body does not require meat to be healthy. if it did, you'd be singing a different tune.
I highly doubt that. Besides, I’m not really impressed with the current state of the world to make such a selfish sacrifice anyway. So the idea of death would be more inviting than you know. I’m sure my ideas of death are very different than yours.
i'm not scared of death either, but i am scared of SUFFERING. having experienced quite a bit of it myself, and having worked in several hospitals, i believe i have the authority to speak on it. the thing is, most people don't just die immediate;y. they suffer mightily, for months and years, wasting away on hospital beds, battling bed sores, *****ing themselves, and losing their dignity in the process.

Are you even sure the doctors aren’t the ones making people sick? I wonder how many of them people know how to heal themselves, most not be many because they wouldn’t be in there in the first place. The healthcare industry is more of a biz than a lifeline. Learn to heal your body by meditation. The body is a magnificent machine. Meds don’t heal; they only assist you in tolerating the pain while the body does the rest (placebo). Pain is in the mind, its only there to tell you that there is something wrong, control the mind and you will control the pain.
There are (very graphic) vids on youtube showing a few Muslims tolerance to pain. They stick knives thru their arms, neck, mouths, and tongues. There is even one scene where one guy lodged a machete in the top of one of his brother’s head. All this was done while they sang and dance. It was a bloody display but very educational.

are you suggesting that a cancer patient whose body requried meat to heal should instead waste away for years under this misguided notion of vegetarian spiritual heroism? would he be a "coward" if he decided to save his life by consuming meat? would you "despise" him for doing so? careful, my friend, those are pretty strong words you're using there.

Again, I don’t buy the “need meat to live” theories, there are substitutes. Even the "so called" need for b12 can be found in dirt, sea plants and a can of RedBull (if you trust the FDA)…not to mentioned supplements. But I do not recommend drugs of any kind to people, I can’t even remember the last time I was sick.

you sound passionate about your vegetarian stance, and i admire that. just please, check the judgements at the mat.

Do you really see my post as being judgmental? I don’t waste time posting nonsense, and I rarely engage in small talk because there is little time for that. Every post I make here is from the heart, my intentions are pure. Sorry to see how sensitive you are about this, just imagine how the animals feel…

I doubt I’ll respond to this thread again, there really isn’t anything else to add on the subject, My post are not personal, if you take them that way…maybe you need to re-read them and/or reflect on them a bit longer. Then re-read yours. The problem might be closer than you originally thought.

Live well...

Peace

Hi, I understand your position on this, but it would help if you would read my opening thread before jumping to conclusions. I was a vegetarian when I developed all of my health problems, and was nearly dead. I'm not going to relist all of my symptoms again here, and write the entire story over again.

I also explained how I healed myself with the raw primal diet. I didn't use doctors. I believe food is our medicine. However, if a person won't eat a healthy diet for them, they do end up in hospitals - exactly what I avoided. They end up in hospitals and doctors do what they can. They can't make someone eat raw meat and raw fat, they can only try to kill microbes, viruses and try to kill tumors and cancer cells. I don't agree at all with their approach but if a person is going to insist on a bad diet, it's the only other option.

Love and Light, Rayne

[Sowelu]

Posted by nearing (here)

Posted by Sowelu (here)

Cats and dogs could eat raw meat as their stomachs contain harsh acids that ours don't.

I agree with all you said there Sowelu and I LOVE your avatar!

But I must disagree with the statement above.

Humans have Hydrochloric acid (HCL) in their stomachs. You can't get a more potent while still biologically-compatible acid. It's a VERY VERY strong acid.

pardon my misquote , but what i meant to say was that their systems are designed to be more resilient than ours. Their saliva contains antibacterial agents such as lysozyme and their shorter digestive tracts make it harder for bacteria to colonize... they have digestive ENZYMES that we don't not acids

[Mu2143]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Mu2143 (here)
This one I have purchased .
http://www.company4you.nl/shop/produ...oducts_id=1475

The B-12 supplement I use is Swanson Ultra Dr. Mercola's Vitamin B-12 Spray, but I do not know if it is pure vegan.

(The Swanson website has been painfully slow of late - not sure what's up with that.)

It needs to be this form Methylcobalamin otherwise your not getting the active form!!it does not mean your not getting it ,but I know its not as effective as the one I am taking.
http://www.naturalnews.com/027654_vi...ood_foods.html

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by Rayne T. (here)
...This particular idea, I feel, is being pushed by many all over and it is extremely dangerous to the health of humanity. This idea is that we should all become vegetarian.

Vegetarianism, is exactly what "they" want for us. Grains are the most harmful food a human can eat - contrary to popular belief, and we all need meat for re-building and renewing our bodies. Please don't just disagree and stop reading because of what you have read in magazines, heard on tv, or even experienced for yourself about the benefits of going vegetarian. Or, because of the nonsense you have read about how we get all of the protein we need from plants. We are NOT cattle. We do NOT have more than one stomach.

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I have saved my own life, and cured myself of over 15 symptoms ranging in severity by eating what is called he has called the Raw Primal Diet.

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Now, what I want to say about vegetarianism.....It works for most, pretty much healthy, people at first. Sometimes they experience health for many years, but it doesn't work forever. The body and digestive system begins to break down, and everything falls apart.

Raw meat, and lots of raw animal fats are the healthiest, most cleansing things a person can eat. ALL of the info out there that tells us that meat and fat are bad for us are ALL based on cooked meat and fat.

How many nervous, high strung, scrawny vegans have we seen? I have seen LOTS.
I have also seen the few others - with the well developed muscular body and glowing health. They are mostly males under 50, and it won't last.

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Believe me, "they" want you to go vegan and not experience the renewal, and health that people like me are experiencing. Yes, raw veganism has healed some of "incurable" diseases because, yes of course, it is a clean diet compared to what the person was eating previously. But, I guarantee they will run into future problems with it. The Primal diet is curing EVERY "incurable" disease with nothing but improvement from then on!"

Love and Light,
Rayne

[OPINION]

I tried to snip out specific sections of your text where I disagree, and/or where I am surprised to hear the claims you're making.

Before we get into details, I will say that I don't tell people what to eat. I'm vegan by choice as I believe the literature I read that shows it to be the healthiest diet, with the least diseases, and the greatest longevity. (If asked to cite sources for my claims, I'd point to John Robbins' books, especially Diet For a New America.) Also, as a couple of other people here mentioned, even if I believed I would be stronger, or faster, or smarter, - or even if I believed I would live longer or be healthier - I would not eat any meat. I'm done with meat. (1976 for red meat; a few years later for fish and chicken; about 20 years ago went vegan.) Buddhist literature regarding vegetarianism rang true to me.

"...exactly what "they" want for us."
I think "they" don't give a rat's ass if we live or die, as long as enough of us are left to clean their swimming pools and scrub their toilets for them. Actually, that's not quite true - they do want most of us to die. (This coming year, your "organic, grass fed" steer will have a good chance of eating GMO alfalfa.) They don't care what we die of, what we eat, and whether we eat at all - as long as we keep spending our money and borrowing their money and doing their bidding.

"...we all need meat for re-building and renewing our bodies."
The literature I have read contradicts this. Amino acids create protein molecules, so it is true that we need amino acids for re-building and renewing our bodies. Like gorillas, elephants, and giraffes, we can get all our amino acids from plant material.

"We are NOT cattle. We do NOT have more than one stomach."
We certainly do not have a gut like a carnivore, and with the length of small intestine, it appears we evolved a way to extract amino acids from plant material. We cannot be carnivores (we would die.) We can choose to be omnivores or herbivores.

"I have saved my own life..."
I suspect this is true, and I suspect that your belief in this diet helped to turn your health around. I could be wrong about that, and if so, then I wonder if the human race can be subdivided not by race but by dietary criteria. If the hidden knowledge of ET "seeding" or hybridizing humanity is true, then maybe there are millions of folks just like you that need to eat meat. I actually doubt it, and I think every human can thrive on a vegan diet, but I suppose that could be a possibility if I'm wrong. Bodies do have cravings, natural cravings and sometimes what is craved seems unnatural. "Pica" is the condition of being compelled to eat dirt. My guess is that their bodies crave some nutrient in the dirt, but that they could get that nutrient need satisfied elsewhere. If they took a mineral supplement and did not eat dirt, I believe they could still have fully manifested symptoms, because their emotional need was not met. I have to say I believe that is possibly what happens when a vegetarian craves meat - that an emotional need is not being met, and we can manifest all sort of symptoms when that happens.

"Now, what I want to say about vegetarianism.....It works for most, pretty much healthy, people at first. Sometimes they experience health for many years, but it doesn't work forever. The body and digestive system begins to break down, and everything falls apart."
Hmmmmmm, well, I think that should have been surrounded with [opinion] tags. True, vegetarians do start to fall apart at some point, but of course, all living creatures start to fall apart at some point - even Paleo or raw Primal practitioners are gonna fall apart. The statistics show vegetarians live longest and have the least disease. That's the statistics, not just my opinion.

I've got to admit that I'd be willing to bet that eating raw meat is not part of the statistical data set.

"Yes, raw veganism has healed some of "incurable" diseases because, yes of course, it is a clean diet compared to what the person was eating previously. But, I guarantee they will run into future problems with it."
Guaranteeing vegans problems is a bold assertion, and the statistics contradict that. Maybe you feel great eating what you are eating - that doesn't mean the rest of humanity is guaranteed to have problems if they don't adhere to your diet.

I'll say the same thing John Robbins said, and tell you not to feel guilty or bad in any way when you eat that meat. Enjoy it and bless it. But I would ask that in your zeal that you are careful in the advice you give others and the guarantees that you profess.

There is also the matter of 7 billion people on Earth now, and (if we somehow stop the eugenicists), maybe 10 billion in a couple of decades. I think it is honest to admit that all of humanity cannot be fed if everyone eats meat (feeding half a dozen bushels of plant material into an animal to get back a pound of meat.) It is not sustainable. Luckily for humanity, our bodies are designed to be able to be healthy as vegetarians - even if it is not your ideal dietary choice.

[/OPINION]

Dennis

[Mu2143]

There is a lot of factors to it when eating a vegan/vegetarianism diet and one of them is the soil its growing on . If there is something wrong with this then your not getting what your buying. just wanted to add this. (EM and mycorhza for the soil )

http://www.backyardnature.net/f/mycorhza.htm
http://www.golden-mist.net/en/em.php

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Mu2143 (here)
It needs to be this form Methylcobalamin

While researching the difference between methylcobalamin and cyanocobalamin, I came across the following caveat from the Wikipedia page for Vitamin B12

Finally, so-called pseudo-B12 refers to B12-like substances which are found in certain organisms, including Spirulina (a cyanobacterium) and some algae. These substances are active in tests of B12 activity by highly sensitive antibody-binding serum assay tests, which measure levels of B12 and B12-like compounds in blood. However, these substances do not have B12 biological activity for humans, a fact which may pose a danger to vegans and others on limited diets who do not ingest B12 producing bacteria, but who nevertheless may show normal "B12" levels in the standard immunoassay which has become the normal medical method for testing for B12 deficiency.

Bold emphasis added by myself.

If true, this could be important for vegetarians trying to maintain B-12 levels by consuming Spirulina.

As I write this, I realize that one such person is my son, living in California. Thank-you Mu2143. You may have just inadvertently helped someone you didn't even know.

P.S. -- There is much more good information on B-12 to be found on the Wikipedia page for Vitamin B12. I recommend reading it. Beware of course that Wikipedia is not always reliable on controversial subjects.

[3optic]

Aw Hell. I was thinking there were some good recipes here..

[Mu2143]

I purchased colostrum yesterday for boosting my health.

http://www.surthrival.com/

[9eagle9]

Thank you for taking it upon yourself to assign a 'feeling' onto me. Or rather impose it. You may have your feelings back, thanky very much, Chelmo. You are judging me by assigning me as upset now? No?

I suppose if someone doesn't notice the clash of counter conflicting beliefs here they wouldn't notice what amused irony is. If you bother to read my threads, you will find I'm not the one making judgements on what one is eating, I'm making ironic comments about the hypocritical expressions of the moralists. They put forth one belief and then oppose it a post later . A real stretch in grasping for ego comfort.

I find the colustrum admission particularly amusing.

Morbidly fascinating these moral trainwrecks.


*chuckle, chuckle*

Posted by chelmostef (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
The ones that do 'get' the sacredness of what the earth has given to us and doesn't seek to make such divisionary thoughts.

If its any consolation i tried my very hardest to stay out of this thread for exactly the reason you have stated.

It seems I do what I do to make myself happy and content. But by me denying and abstaining myself from something it clearly upsets you.... I am very sorry for this and I apologize if you feel I have judged you in any way.

[9eagle9]

Am I anxiously awaiting the debate on what morally proper type of air we should be breathing.

[Limor Wolf]

This talk was not about US,or what someone should do or not do in their lives,...this talk was about the suffer of others.other creatures are suffering,surely you can relate to that?!

[Mu2143]

I find the colustrum admission particularly amusing.

waiting for your explanation on this one ,because you already made accusation without out one before. Explain this to others where my conflicting beliefs are.

I Am still waiting to get amused!!!

[aroundthetable]

If you contribute to the suffering of billions of living entities, you wont be getting in your ascension balloons anytime soon.

[9eagle9]

It is a perception of suffering. You are attempting to attach meaning to something that is without meaning. The moment you shift your perception about suffering, the suffering goes away. Spiritual laws aren't suspended just because we are talking about food.

Limor would you rather have me see you has a whole person and support you in that or some pathetic suffering being, and I can impose more suffering on you via my perception of you?

Plants conveniently don’t have any consciousness when a vegan wants to eat one. Animals are conveniently judged as superior moral beings therefore inviolable. This is more a subconscious core value that we are holding about ourselves. To cord into, and attach to the ‘perceived’ suffering of others is not compassion. It’s wallowing in our own inner wounds. You are then imposing suffering on others.

What is being expressed here is an “Us” paradigm but I didn’t create it. My first response in this thread didn’t chide the OP for her use of raw meat even though, I personally don’t subscribe to it. The Us vs Them mentality came from the veg morality and their dropping little judgements. They created that themselves.

And its a core form of prejudice that reflects back core values of ourselves.

So what is being expressed here is : Animals are more like us than plants therefore anything alien or not behaving as we do are not to be taken into consideration as having a conscious value. Because its sentiency isn’t expressed the same way ours is .

That is a prejudice.

One is expressing a core value of prejudice. Suffering is an attachment to the material world. Food is of the material world. Suffering via attachment is the oldest philosophical precept in existence. We experience suffering via experience with the material world, or we project suffering onto others based on our individual perception of what suffering is.


People suffer so of course they want to project that suffering on to anything whose sentiency resembles their own and see the perception of their own suffering in other things.
On a human level we project this onto each other racially and culturally. ‘Those’ people are less important because they are less like me. Isn't that what is being expressed here on a subtle level?

Plant vs. Animal prejudice. Humans tend to humanize and associate animals as having human traits so it’s easy to fall into the association of plants not having equal meaning. “An animal's suffering is like mine, but a plant’s isn’t." Which is like saying I don’t know if a plant suffers, its not squealing moaning or crying like a human or an animal so therefore it must not be suffering. It’s death throws are not so obvious so it must not equate death.

Humans are blind to each other’s suffering , their blind to their own suffering therefore create prejudices around others suffering. Do we really think we have the ability to ID suffering in subtler life forms? A bit arrogant eh?

We are born into world equal. We are born spiritual. It’s not something we have to develop or grow, we just have to recognize it. It is not necessary to clutter up what is already pure and shining with a bunch of beliefs about material things because spiritual is not of the material world. Especially things that sustain us all. It certainly doesn’t make one more spiritual and it doesn’t make one less spiritual.

Spiritual and sacred are not the same thing. We make things sacred by acknowledging the divinity in EVERYTHING (food –all kinds of foot fauna and flora )

We are also born into this world equally physical. None of us are more or less physical than the other there’s just those who use their spirituality deny their physicality because they have negative attachments to the material world. SELF (spiritual) denial equals self-denial vs those who don’t find it to be meaningful, therefore don’t put judgments on it. If one is denying something at least be honest on a spiritual and intellectual level about why they are denying it.

They want to ID into something elses suffering.

To say it’s purer to consume only plants is in what sense? Only the physical sense. It doesn’t make one more spiritual, you can’t make or create spiritual conditions they have been in place for as long as the spirit has been in existence.

It may help those whose physicality interferes with the psychic abilities, but psychic ability and spirituality are not the same thing. Neither are they sacred until one makes them so. Putting an judgment on all of the above is not sacred. Assigning suffering is a judgement.

To say that an animal can speak and suffer in death to feed us but a plant doesn’t is just a bias, a prop to support a faulty logic to our moral point of view and the association attachments we have with animals. Its mind created not spirit created.

Plants can and do communicate with even the lowest vibrational densest physically attached being in the same way all humans commonly communicate. With the tongue.
A plant will tell you the moment it hits your tongue if it is good to eat or bad to eat. If it’s acidic or alkaline. If it’s safe or not. It is communicating with you. That is why you so often see medicine people sticking twigs and leaves in their mouth and thoughtfully regarding them for a long time. They have plant helpers. And they will tell you that the plant is helping them. Then you go from there into a higher form of consciousness communication.

Grow some salvia divinorium plants and tell me they aren’t communicating with you. On an obvious level.

All foods plant or animal will do this if one takes their head out of the moral soapbox long enough to listen.

There are some foods we make agreements with. All of life is based on contracts and agreements . Food makes agreements with us that is expressed only on a physical level because food is only physical .

So if its agreeable to us on a physical level we make an agreement with it. It’s agreeable to us. Or disagreeable. I for one can’t eat lamb, it disagrees with me. Should I climb on a soap box and state that eating lamb is a form of death ingestion, because it makes me deathly ill, when death is all around me and pre exists in me all ready?

I have cells dying in my body, succumbing o death even as I consume it . Knowing that death is illusionary and just a doorway to life why would I make a meaning from death. Any death. . So I’d be straying into projecting illusionary concepts as a truth.

And that is the only thing I am pointing out here that people are trying to project meaning onto things that are meaningless.

If you want to make a statement for and of suffering look inside your own self and see where you are suffering that make one want to project it on to others.

This post is for those who made find other's judgements damaging and making them uncertain if their food choices are causing some spiritual error. Their not. Its meaningless. No one here is more or less spritual, pure, grander, or higher for what they consume.

For those who are embedded in this material food mindset I already know that what I expressed will not be understood.

[9eagle9]

Posted by Mu2143 (here)

I find the colustrum admission particularly amusing.

waiting for your explanation on this one ,because you already made accusation without out one before. Explain this to others where my conflicting beliefs are.

I Am still waiting to get amused!!!

I edited my remark because on further reflection I couldn't recall precisely if you were the one who was making such a big issue out of animal consumption or not. If you were then I find it amusing that you would hypocritically consume colustrum and then berate others for their animal consumption. If you were not the one who one one had berated others for animal consumption then I edited my post for not making a remark based on faulty recall. Nor did I feel like weeding out a thousand threads to find out.

[Rayne T.]

Posted by Sowelu (here)

Posted by nearing (here)

Posted by Sowelu (here)

Cats and dogs could eat raw meat as their stomachs contain harsh acids that ours don't.

I agree with all you said there Sowelu and I LOVE your avatar!

But I must disagree with the statement above.

Humans have Hydrochloric acid (HCL) in their stomachs. You can't get a more potent while still biologically-compatible acid. It's a VERY VERY strong acid.

pardon my misquote , but what i meant to say was that their systems are designed to be more resilient than ours. Their saliva contains antibacterial agents such as lysozyme and their shorter digestive tracts make it harder for bacteria to colonize... they have digestive ENZYMES that we don't not acids

Hi Sowelu,

I would highly recommend that you read "We Want To Live". Just because a straight carnivore is MORE geared toward eating meat, doesn't mean that we aren't supposed to eat any. We are quite able to digest quite a bit. My digestive system was nearly destroyed when I began the raw primal diet - consisting of raw meat - and ironically I was able to digest raw meat better than anything else, and this is what lead to my recovery.

As for bacteria....YOU WANT MORE, not less in your body. Bacteria consume dead and diseased tissues, not healthy ones. Bacteria cleanse out toxins. Our bodies use bacteria for cleansing and healing. Please everyone read the book I keep ranting about

Love and Light, Rayne

[Mu2143]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)

Posted by Mu2143 (here)

I find the colustrum admission particularly amusing.

waiting for your explanation on this one ,because you already made accusation without out one before. Explain this to others where my conflicting beliefs are.

I Am still waiting to get amused!!!

I edited my remark because on further reflection I couldn't recall precisely if you were the one who was making such a big issue out of animal consumption or not. If you were then I find it amusing that you would hypocritically consume colustrum and then berate others for their animal consumption. If you were not the one who one one had berated others for animal consumption then I edited my post for not making a remark based on faulty recall. Nor did I feel like weeding out a thousand threads to find out.

First of all I had not a problem with people consuming meat , but a problem with that you need to kill for food. Because then you create a space for it. Meat is addictive, if you want to stop its hard.
Second I explained here that if you getting food that was traumatised (being a destroyer) your not living a spiritual life (NOT LAW), because that's something you create in this world(belief system). ----->Belief system is mind control btw<---

Following a spiritual life is simple what your are!!!!not against it which is destroying your self. Its like your the river of energy that is flowing outwards creating reality, but instead you trying to stop it from doing so.

Thats why it is also called "The way"