Twitter - New masonic logo

[Bill Ryan]

Well, I doubt that Elon Musk is 'luciferian' in any way, but he might sometimes make rather poor decisions.

Of course, this is his marketing department's suggestion, and Elon, who has a great deal going on (the forthcoming SpaceX Starship launch, for instance!) certainly has a lot on his mind to deal with.

He's not even close to running any of his enterprises single-handedly. That'd be impossible for anyone. Someone recommended this to him, and he just agreed. One of many executive-okays he'll have to be processing every day.

But simply from a marketing point of view, this seems to me like a terrible choice. It feels unfriendly (hostile, even), way too sharp, and definitely open to (mis?)interpretation from just about everyone.

I don't like it one bit. A little blue bird is far more user-friendly and welcoming. Ask anyone on the street in a simple poll. And what is a 'tweet' now going to be called? An 'X'?? That doesn't work at all. It does seem that some aspects of this just haven't been thought through.

[Eagle Eye]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Well, I doubt that Elon Musk is 'luciferian' in any way, but he might sometimes make rather poor decisions.

I think that's precisely the image he wanted to create, so that people would accept his decisions. He spoke about dangers of AI and now look how much he has invested in it. He spoke about the elite, so people would think that he is a saviour, so the wolf can keep up with his plans in sheep clothes. Just like they think about Trump. People want fake hope more than the truth, even if they see with their eyes that a disabled person is president of US, they still think that any president can make a difference.

[Pris]

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Posted by Eagle Eye (here)
Elon Musk making a masonic logo

No, Elon did not make a masonic logo. Here's your average Masonic symbol:

Posted by Eagle Eye (here)
Mark Zuckerberg making a tripple 6 logo on new app called Threads

Triple 6 or 666 is code for carbon. The hexagon, the cube. It represents the atomic structure of carbon (symbol for the "earth" element). That doesn't make it "evil". Our physical bodies are carbon-based.

Posted by Eagle Eye (here)
God has given permission to Lucifer (for a specific time) to form a hierarchy of power and tempting everyone with it.

Really? How do you know this? Do you speak for God?

Posted by Eagle Eye (here)
1. The eye on the pyramid is the eye of Lucifer (interdimensional)

It's interesting that you think the eye on the pyramid is the eye of Lucifer. Symbolically, I think the eye on the pyramid represents our inner eye, our pineal gland. I agree that it is an interdimensional doorway.

The pyramid symbol... five-sided (with a square base) and doubled up is known as the octahedron and represents the element "air".

The tetrahedron (four sides or four triangles) is the "pyramid" for the inner eye, (in the Bible referred to as the Tetragrammaton), and represents the element "fire". It is the base energetic vibrational form of all things.

Anyway, I could go on and on but it's all about Sacred Geometry or the Five Platonic Solids. Then, there's the star Merkaba that comes out of all that. It's the fundamental zero-point energetic sheering energy pattern that constitutes a black hole, "Tree of Life". None of these things are "evil".

We, however, are capable of projecting evil or hate just as we are capable of projecting love.

Symbols are meaningless and have no power other than the meaning and power we decide to give them.

Posted by Eagle Eye (here)
2. Then comes all his army of fallen angels, called the watchers (interdimensional)

I don't think the "fallen angels" belong to him (Lucifer). Ever heard of "Jacob's Ladder" representing the 33 vertebrae of our spine (the Masons like that number for a reason)? And, that the "fallen angels" are angles of light (electricity) conducting up and down our spine that rise up to our temple (skull) which activates our pineal gland (inner eye) and opens the door to "Heaven"?

You might be interested in this thread:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1560723




I think I've covered enough examples to make my point that things aren't always so cut-and-dry.

X marks the spot.

[Pris]

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Posted by Eagle Eye (here)
Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg and Bill Gates are the most dangerous developers and promoters of AI and it's merging with humans. Technology has gone beyond serving humans.

One more thing. I don't think it's right to lump Elon Musk with Zuckerberg and Gates just because Elon is into certain technology...

Technology is neither good nor evil. It depends on who's using it -- how and why it's used.

Just like Trump did not mandate the jab, I don't think Elon will have his tech mandated on anyone. This is about freedom of choice.

It's not right to hold back any technology from the people. The people have a right to have equal access to use the technology whether we think it's good for them or not (regain vision, ability to walk again etc.). If people want to turn themselves into The Borg, that's their right, too. It's just a feeling, but somehow, I don't think the majority of us will embrace transhumanism.






Let those who want the tech have it. Leave the rest of us alone. This is about protecting everyone's rights and freedom.

[Eagle Eye]

Posted by Pris (here)
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Posted by Eagle Eye (here)
Elon Musk making a masonic logo

No, Elon did not make a masonic logo. Here's your average Masonic symbol:

Posted by Eagle Eye (here)
Mark Zuckerberg making a tripple 6 logo on new app called Threads

Triple 6 or 666 is code for carbon. The hexagon, the cube. It represents the atomic structure of carbon (symbol for the "earth" element). That doesn't make it "evil". Our physical bodies are carbon-based.

Posted by Eagle Eye (here)
God has given permission to Lucifer (for a specific time) to form a hierarchy of power and tempting everyone with it.

Really? How do you know this? Do you speak for God?

Posted by Eagle Eye (here)
1. The eye on the pyramid is the eye of Lucifer (interdimensional)

It's interesting that you think the eye on the pyramid is the eye of Lucifer. Symbolically, I think the eye on the pyramid represents our inner eye, our pineal gland. I agree that it is an interdimensional doorway.

The pyramid symbol... five-sided (with a square base) and doubled up is known as the octahedron and represents the element "air".

The tetrahedron (four sides or four triangles) is the "pyramid" for the inner eye, (in the Bible referred to as the Tetragrammaton), and represents the element "fire". It is the base energetic vibrational form of all things.

Anyway, I could go on and on but it's all about Sacred Geometry or the Five Platonic Solids. Then, there's the star Merkaba that comes out of all that. It's the fundamental zero-point energetic sheering energy pattern that constitutes a black hole, "Tree of Life". None of these things are "evil".

We, however, are capable of projecting evil or hate just as we are capable of projecting love.

Symbols are meaningless and have no power other than the meaning and power we decide to give them.

Posted by Eagle Eye (here)
2. Then comes all his army of fallen angels, called the watchers (interdimensional)

I don't think the "fallen angels" belong to him (Lucifer). Ever heard of "Jacob's Ladder" representing the 33 vertebrae of our spine (the Masons like that number for a reason)? And, that the "fallen angels" are angles of light (electricity) conducting up and down our spine that rise up to our temple (skull) which activates our pineal gland (inner eye) and opens the door to "Heaven"?

You might be interested in this thread:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1560723




I think I've covered enough examples to make my point that things aren't always so cut-and-dry.

X marks the spot.

First, that is masonic logo, it's obvious the thinner compass and the ruler below thicker. The mirror image makes it completely obvious.

Second, here are the verses of God to Lucifer/Satan
[15 : 36-40] He (Satan) said,"My Lord, then reprieve me until the Day they are resurrected".
God said, "So indeed, you are of those reprieved
Until the Day of the time well-known."
[Satan] said, "My Lord, because You have put me in error, I will surely make attractive to them on earth, and I will mislead them all
Except, among them, Your chosen servants."

I never speak about God by myself, except what have already been Revealed. My sin would be greater than those who don't know.

You think that triple 6 is being used massively to refer to carbon atom, or maybe to refer to imprisonment to this material world ?!

I always wondered how people like to read several authors where their main source are the Scriptures, but refuse to read directly the Scriptures.

[AxisMundi]

Interesting timing.....coincidence?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...n-release.html

[JackMcThorn]

Posted by Eagle Eye (here)
First, that is masonic logo, it's obvious the thinner compass and the ruler below thicker. The mirror image makes it completely obvious.

Second, here are the verses of God to Lucifer/Satan
[15 : 36-40] He (Satan) said,"My Lord, then reprieve me until the Day they are resurrected".
God said, "So indeed, you are of those reprieved
Until the Day of the time well-known."
[Satan] said, "My Lord, because You have put me in error, I will surely make attractive to them on earth, and I will mislead them all
Except, among them, Your chosen servants."

I never speak about God by myself, except what have already been Revealed. My sin would be greater than those who don't know.

You think that triple 6 is being used massively to refer to carbon atom, or maybe to refer to imprisonment to this material world ?!

I always wondered how people like to read several authors where their main source are the Scriptures, but refuse to read directly the Scriptures.

If one is beholden to dogma, which is in fact born of fantasies; and uses said writings, then his presentation is certainly suspect. The church itself has labelled whatsoever it disagrees with in a negative manner and provides its followers with reasons to reject differences. This is one reason why I reject the church.

I for one do not use my spirituality as a manner of proving a point. It itself is part of my own private development. To do so could get in the way of facts.

The facts are the logo must be manipulated in a manner consistent with a mirror image to reach the meaning you wish it to have. Further, the thicker part of the X in the mirror image would have to be 9o degrees if it were to represent the logo. The angle of the compass seems to fluctuate and not be hard and fast; but the square is always 9o degrees to the machinist, the carpenter, the engineer, or the architect [or the stone mason].

This is akin to reading into statistics to find the answer you seek, rather than the answer that presents. That is just flawed thinking, which ultimately leads to group think [and on the internet; group think occurs much quicker].

I would rather be an outcast among outcasts, and think freely - than to belong to a group and be forced to subscribe their thinking as a manner of acceptance. Acceptance into the group conditional of acceptance of the belief systems.

[Pris]

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Posted by Eagle Eye (here)
First, that is masonic logo, it's obvious the thinner compass and the ruler below thicker. The mirror image makes it completely obvious.

Here, both of them together. See? They do not look the same at all. Mirroring the X to claim some kind of Masonic resemblance doesn't cut it. That's called editing. Your case would be thrown out of court.








Elon isn't shy. Why beat around the bush.

Posted by Eagle Eye (here)
Second, here are the verses of God to Lucifer/Satan
[15 : 36-40] He (Satan) said,"My Lord, then reprieve me until the Day they are resurrected".
God said, "So indeed, you are of those reprieved
Until the Day of the time well-known."
[Satan] said, "My Lord, because You have put me in error, I will surely make attractive to them on earth, and I will mislead them all
Except, among them, Your chosen servants."

I never speak about God by myself, except what have already been Revealed. My sin would be greater than those who don't know.

You think that triple 6 is being used massively to refer to carbon atom, or maybe to refer to imprisonment to this material world ?!

I always wondered how people like to read several authors where their main source are the Scriptures, but refuse to read directly the Scriptures.

Human beings wrote the Bible, "interpreting God", if you will. So, it's up to interpretation. Stories, allegory, metaphor. Besides, they've also altered the Bible so many times, it's almost impossible to know what was original anymore. And, they've edited out huge chunks that they don't want you to see... Are you at least using The Companion Bible along with Strong's Concordance?

You might want to expose yourself to multiple interpretations of the Bible. Using discernment, I've found it has helped to expand my mind. Speaking for myself, it is absolutely fascinating to me... to learn how we've been hoodwinked and then find out what it's really all about. "Lifting of the Veil", Apocalypse is right.

That 666 may refer to imprisonment to this material world... sometimes, it may seem that way. However, the idea that we are "imprisoned" is completely subjective. Maybe the whole point of being a sentient spirit is to have fun playing, learning, growing... Driving a human body can be loads of fun.

[Eagle Eye]

Posted by Pris (here)
Human beings wrote the Bible, "interpreting God", if you will. So, it's up to interpretation. Stories, allegory, metaphor. Besides, they've also altered the Bible so many times, it's almost impossible to know what was original anymore. And, they've edited out huge chunks that they don't want you to see... Are you at least using The Companion Bible along with Strong's Concordance?

You might want to expose yourself to multiple interpretations of the Bible. Using discernment, I've found it has helped to expand my mind. Speaking for myself, it is absolutely fascinating to me... to learn how we've been hoodwinked and then find out what it's really all about. "Lifting of the Veil", Apocalypse is right.

That 666 may refer to imprisonment to this material world... sometimes, it may seem that way. However, the idea that we are "imprisoned" is completely subjective. Maybe the whole point of being a sentient spirit is to have fun playing, learning, growing... Driving a human body can be loads of fun.

You think it's a game, this battle of good and evil?! All these people corrupting their souls only for a small share of power, spreading evil all around the world, does it seem fun to you. We are here to grow indeed, but the cost of losing the right path is huge. You think everything is by chance, the symbols are used for fun, but no, those who use those symbols (aware or unaware) worship Lucifer, even if they are worshipping other gods, they are still being deceived by Lucifer (the greatest enemy of mankind). Those deeds will be fatal for their souls.
I have wondered since at early age, how can people worship others, instead of the real God , who created everything, who created us and who has power over everything?! I have the answer now. Many people follow their interest and desires, they do not care about what's happening in the world and why, if there is a small benefit for them, they follow blindly. That's how Lucifer tempt people with power and wants from them to deny God and to do the oposite of what God request.

[Pris]

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Posted by Eagle Eye (here)

Posted by Pris (here)
Human beings wrote the Bible, "interpreting God", if you will. So, it's up to interpretation. Stories, allegory, metaphor. Besides, they've also altered the Bible so many times, it's almost impossible to know what was original anymore. And, they've edited out huge chunks that they don't want you to see... Are you at least using The Companion Bible along with Strong's Concordance?

You might want to expose yourself to multiple interpretations of the Bible. Using discernment, I've found it has helped to expand my mind. Speaking for myself, it is absolutely fascinating to me... to learn how we've been hoodwinked and then find out what it's really all about. "Lifting of the Veil", Apocalypse is right.

That 666 may refer to imprisonment to this material world... sometimes, it may seem that way. However, the idea that we are "imprisoned" is completely subjective. Maybe the whole point of being a sentient spirit is to have fun playing, learning, growing... Driving a human body can be loads of fun.

You think it's a game, this battle of good and evil?! All these people corrupting their souls only for a small share of power, spreading evil all around the world, does it seem fun to you. We are here to grow indeed, but the cost of losing the right path is huge. You think everything is by chance, the symbols are used for fun, but no, those who use those symbols (aware or unaware) worship Lucifer, even if they are worshipping other gods, they are still being deceived by Lucifer (the greatest enemy of mankind). Those deeds will be fatal for their souls.
I have wondered since at early age, how can people worship others, instead of the real God , who created everything, who created us and who has power over everything?! I have the answer now. Many people follow their interest and desires, they do not care about what's happening in the world and why, if there is a small benefit for them, they follow blindly. That's how Lucifer tempt people with power and wants from them to deny God and to do the oposite of what God request.

Your definition of "God" is subjective. I see all that is "good" as "God". It really means the same thing. The idea of "Lucifer", the Fallen Angel, is just another aspect of ourselves. Temptation, the "seven deadly sins", that's what "Lucifer" represents. When we give into those "sins", our spiritual light diminishes (a "fallen" angle of light), we are weakened.

Has it ever occurred to you that having fun may be the key to saving your own soul? Of course it is all a game. At times, it is a very serious game. But, we choose whether or not to play and how we play. Everything is perception. Each one of us is the master magician controlling it all. What is the opposite of pain, suffering, fear? Happiness, joy, love. Choose that. More of that is what is needed to battle the monsters -- figuratively and literally.

Happiness is now, it's in the moment. From that springs overwhelming love, joy, compassion, empathy, and gratitude for all things. This process has awakened within me the fiercest warrior ready to fight to protect those I cherish, the helpless, the innocent.

Happiness is a choice regardless of what the outside world may present to us. You either allow yourself the right to joy and freedom, or you choose to spiral into your own mind-made pit of hell. Each one of us is on a solitary journey. For awhile, we may share the adventure. We came in alone, we go out alone.

[Mike Gorman]

The old saying of course is that "X marks the spot", we do tend to begin reading into symbols, more so than actual text because we are not provided with the 'back story' and the human mind seeks to make meaning: Human beings are meaning makers and story tellers. I'm not convinced that Musk is a fully paid up member of the grand Masonic lodge of mysteries, I get the impression he is a wayward son, a maverick with some unfortunate naivety, he is an imperfect being like the rest of us.

[Eagle Eye]

Posted by Mike Gorman (here)
The old saying of course is that "X marks the spot", we do tend to begin reading into symbols, more so than actual text because we are not provided with the 'back story' and the human mind seeks to make meaning: Human beings are meaning makers and story tellers. I'm not convinced that Musk is a fully paid up member of the grand Masonic lodge of mysteries, I get the impression he is a wayward son, a maverick with some unfortunate naivety, he is an imperfect being like the rest of us.

Than take a look of Elon's grandfather and his connection to Freemasonry and also his mother (a dangerous witch).

[Pris]

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There are (only) 26 letters in the alphabet. They are symbols and can mean anything. Recently, Q (and the Anons) took over the Q. Putin has the Z. Speculation: the only fun letter left is X so Elon picked X (good a reason as any).

As far as doubling up Elon's X and reversing one side to suggest some kind of Masonic meaning... the thin line doesn't even overlap the fat line like it should to be anything remotely Masonic. Instead, the X looks like your average font with the thick stroke overlapping the thin stroke. Maybe Elon just likes Art Deco type face in a sans serif font style. Who doesn't love Art Deco (well, Bill doesn't like the font Elon chose so I guess that counts as one).


















Perhaps Elon enjoyed watching the X-Files back in the 90s... like everyone else, right? Maybe, he thought it would be cool to play Mulder needing the help of Mr. X. Instead of using tape on a window to send the message, he used Twitter.




Just like the X-Files was all about secrets, maybe the X represents "hidden knowledge" that Elon is going to expose (actual "disclosure" done in a slow roll and seemingly innocuous manner... likely with a little discreet help from the military through Trump). Elon has claimed he wants to help humanity and he IS in a position to do so. He's sucker punched the globalists far too many times for him to be on their side.

Everyone seems to be forgetting that Elon already has his SpaceX. Obviously, he really, really likes the letter X.

[Pris]

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Posted by Mike Gorman (here)
The old saying of course is that "X marks the spot", we do tend to begin reading into symbols, more so than actual text because we are not provided with the 'back story' and the human mind seeks to make meaning: Human beings are meaning makers and story tellers. I'm not convinced that Musk is a fully paid up member of the grand Masonic lodge of mysteries, I get the impression he is a wayward son, a maverick with some unfortunate naivety, he is an imperfect being like the rest of us.

I agree except with the suggestion that Elon is naive. It doesn't wash that (if I got this right) the second-richest man on the planet is naive. There may be strategic reasons, optics reasons... we aren't privy to. There's a long game he's playing, certainly.

[Pris]

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Posted by Eagle Eye (here)

Posted by Mike Gorman (here)
I'm not convinced that Musk is a fully paid up member of the grand Masonic lodge of mysteries, I get the impression he is a wayward son..."

Than take a look of Elon's grandfather and his connection to Freemasonry and also his mother (a dangerous witch).

Connections don't necessarily mean Elon is into Freemasonry. I think Elon is a "wayward son", too. We all gain information and knowledge differently. Knowledge is knowledge. It's a choice how we may or may not use what we've learned.

By the way, there are "lower" level Freemasons and possibly "higher" level ones that aren't necessarily bad people and they actually endeavor to do good (the whole point of Freemasonry is to do good). I think it's fair to say that there has been an infiltration of a small number of very corrupted individuals (e.g. possible members of the Illuminati) at the "highest" levels that are the ones who give the Freemasons their sketchy reputation.

Whatever do you mean that Elon's mother is "a dangerous witch"? That's a bizarre accusation. Provide proof.

[Paul D.]

These two quotes from Albert Pike 33rd ° Scottish Rite freemason illustrate the way 'suitable' candidates are initiated into Luciferian Freemasonry.

[JackMcThorn]

I was a 3rd degree Master Mason from 2o12 - 2o18 in Wisconsin, U.S.A.. I left america and did not renew my card. I did not see anything untoward; but perhaps somethings unusual. I followed one concordant body until the Knights of Malta. I did not finish the Knights of Templar degree. I had found a book in my lodge that described the Knights of Malta as the senior rank and sometime since the 195o's of the books publication it was changed that the Templars was the final degree. It wouldn't matter because I would change my faith yet again [the primary qualification is a belief in God.], and I would not be qualified to stay a Knight of Malta but would remain a Master Mason. I did not renew my card when I left America. They have strict background checks where I was. I had some police contact due to some manic episodes and they did overlook it [I was perfectly honest with them], but I was not in good graces with the Grand Lodge. [This is documented.] I might not be able to renew it if I go back; which would make me what they call a clandestine mason.

I observed an opportunity to become a 32nd degree Scottish Rite Mason. It was a 2 day weekend training for 8 hours per day. The 33rd degree is an honorary reward degree. So while you might hear so and so was a 32nd degree Mason, at least in the north or the Free and Accepted Freemasons, you're talking of walking through the 4th through 32nd degrees in one short weekend in the modern era. Years ago, it might have been longer because there is different masonic aprons for every single one of these extra degrees.

I cannot speak for Ancient and Accepted Freemasons; which if I remember correctly is more of the southern states nor Prince Hall Freemasonry which was men of colour as segregation was serious in America. You may still see an African-American in the north at a lodge once in a while, but Prince Hall lodges still exist to this day.

The Blue Lodge takes precedence over all of these extra degrees in America which means the 3rd degree Master Mason commands importance because if it were not for him, there would be no reason for extra degrees. The Blue Lodge does not prevail outside of America and one must achieve higher degrees in order to visit lodges of different countries.

The basic tenets of brotherly love, relief [charity], and truth were and are a basic honour system of approximately 3 million American Freemasons. Another facet of Freemasonry is not just the pursuit of truth, but of knowledge and skill. A collective membership of 3 million is quite substantial, you might think you would see more influence of such a group.

Masons were targeted and killed in Germany during WWII. Germany targeted them again in 2o13 if you remember the Superbowl commercial from Mercedes-Benz that tied freemasons to satan.

I think freemasonry in America is quite different than overseas. I did visit the Grand Lodge in Dublin when I first got here. Seems like anything that is different gets its fair share of hate.

I will say this, as I spent some time in my lodges library: the masons in Boston, Massachusetts organized the original Tea Party and it was logged in their minutes on the day with a single letter T. [This is published.]

I would take what someone said from the southern states of American lore with a grain of salt as it does not mean that covers the entire membership. The south still holds on to old ideals to some degree, meaning some hate still persists and this is partially why Prince Hall masonry is still around and hasn't been absorbed into the conventional lodges.

[Paul D.]

That's very interesting Jack & I defer to your inside knowledge. But it could still be the case that in the Ancient & Accepted Scottish Rite , at least , that the lower ranks do not know that it is essentially a luciferian religion. In all honesty I have studied this quite avidly for years now & am firmly of the belief that this is the case .
The same is true of society at large .The normal workforce in a giant corporation or bank say are unaware of the true spirit at the top echelons. I don't know all the structure & specifics like yourself of freemasonry but I do know enough of it's symbolism to see it's ruling , hidden hand everywhere & it's fingerprints on some of the most heinous crimes & deceptions.
The does not exclude the possibility of the decency of the majority of masons ,in fact it probably endorses it .

[Eagle Eye]

Posted by JackMcThorn (here)
I was a 3rd degree Master Mason...

Those recruits or lower degrees freemason are like those employee of a bank that do not see anything unusual about the banking system, they do their part of work and go home. There may be hundreds or thousands of masonic lodges, but there are few of them where people of power gather, that is where the "unusual" begin.

[JackMcThorn]

Posted by Seeclearly (here)
That's very interesting Jack & I defer to your inside knowledge. But it could still be the case that in the Ancient & Accepted Scottish Rite , at least , that the lower ranks do not know that it is essentially a lucifarian religion. In all honesty I have studied this quite avidly for years now & am firmly of the belief that this is the case .
The same is true of society at large .The normal workforce in a giant corporation or bank say are unaware of the true spirit at the top echelons. I don't know all the structure & specifics like yourself of freemasonry but I do know enough of it's symbolism to see it's ruling , hidden hand everywhere & it's fingerprints on some of the most heinous crimes & deceptions.
The does not exclude the possibility of the decency of the majority of masons ,in fact it probably endorses it .

In America, the command is the Grand Lodge of each state. So there is 5o Grand Lodges and there is no national body. Each Grand Lodge governs in its own way [similar with differences]. The Scottish Rite does not control the state and neither do the other concordant bodies. In Dublin, it is the Grand Lodge of Ireland. This is different as it is a national body. I think there is some differences in America and the rest of the world, but the entire organization gets the bad rap. When Master Masons get together in America, everyone is considered 'on the level', as equals. I just think there is some things some people don't know they don't know. It was not considered a religion on the inside, but I have heard of some people on the outside think it to be so. Thinking it to be so, is not really correct thinking. They wouldn't know for sure unless they were involved some how, which could be not as a member but as a recipient of charitable works.

Posted by Eagle Eye (here)
Those recruits or lower degrees freemason are like those employee of a bank that do not see anything unusual about the banking system, they do their part of work and go home. There may be hundreds or thousands of masonic lodges, but there are few of them where people of power gather, that is where the "unusual" begin.

Eagle Eye, I do not think you are that familiar with America. There is zero national organization and there are significant differences in masons from other countries. Germany is the hub of Europe and hates masons, publicly. So it would stand to reason their reputation in Europe is unsavoury. I think you might not have actual evidence of where this "few of them where people of power gather, that is where the "unusual" begin." OR maybe you do.

Every organization, even a church, has bad members or even a little corruption. I just think some of the finger pointing is not always justified. That a few bad apples doesn't always spoil the bunch. My daughter for instance got some medical care she needed because of the help from some Freemasons. I did not go in to do my work and punch a card unknowing what I was involved with. But don't take my word for it. This is not really a strong defence of Freemasonry but rather a sharing of my experience. Even the 5o states run differently. You could not get these people to organize as a collective without some dissent. I mean where are the court cases against freemasons? What is the extent of failed background checks resulting in a criminal element being prosecuted? Oh, these few elites are exempt from the law. Well, that will be a hard sell to anyone who thinks real hard.