You think you are a god?

[eaglespirit]

The Spiritual Significance of UFOs - A lecture by Don Elkins
http://www.llresearch.org/speeches/s...1981_0421.aspx

...from Don's talk:
But anyway, Okay. Intelligent infinity. The Creator.

So I asked, “What happens next?” And the answer was, “The Creator decided to know Itself, and in that knowing, decided to use the principle of free will.”

Now, there’s an important word I’m going to use in this communication because it’s the word that’s used by our contact, and it’s the word “distortion.” They call this free will the First Distortion of the Law of One.

Before the Creator decides to know Itself, It is a completely, infinitely homogenized unity. The only law that exists is the Law of One, because there’s only One, the Creator, infinitely. Now, anything stemming from that intelligent infinity is a distortion from that original infinite intelligence. So the first distortion that takes place from intelligent infinity is the distortion the Creator uses to know Itself. This is the distortion of free will.

That is the most important concept with which we have to deal in the entire subject of ufology because it explains everything else in ufology. Everything drops out very simply after we understand the first distortion is primary. Actually, it is why we are here in this room right now. It’s why everything works the way it works: the first distortion—free will.

Now, when I say intelligent, I don’t mean intelligent with a little i or a capital I. I mean intelligent with an I so high you can’t see the top of it. That’s intelligent infinity.

In order to know Itself, the Creator, using free will, subdivides into many parts. It forms various Logoi. And those Logos form sub-Logoi. And those sub-Logoi form sub-sub-Logoi.

Now, if you want to pick the most obvious sub-Logos around us today, you go outside and look up at the Sun—keep your dark glasses on! That is the most obvious sub-Logos in this part of the Creation.

These sub-Logoi form on down throughout the Creation. The way that happens is this. What comes after the first distortion of free will? What’s the second distortion? Well, our contact says we don’t have a word for it. He says, “We’ll pick the closest word in your language for the second distortion, the closest word in the dictionary that defines the Love that is the second distortion.”

That Love is an intense vibration. It’s not a vibration of something. It’s a vibration that is a pure energy. You know, Einstein says E equals mc squared. There’s a relationship between energy and mass. In other words, you can convert mass to energy. Therefore, you do not need something to have energy. You can have pure energy.

The Love that intelligent infinity creates using free will is then energy, pure energy. That pure energy, because of this intense vibration, then, condenses into the third distortion.

The third distortion is light. We see part of the light in our visible spectrum. There’s a lot more light than we can see. We just happen to see a little, narrow band that’s in the visible spectrum.

Now, what happens is that, using the principle of free will, each sub-Logos is extremely intelligent itself because it’s just a sub-divided part of intelligent infinity. It devises a plan for knowing Itself, and creates sub-Logoi which devise plans for knowing themselves, and the first density of Creation is formed.

The first density is a density of earth, water, fire and air, according to our contact. It’s a very simple density, the raw materials of a planet.

I feel most All of Us here BELIEVE in and are in 'rhythm' with Source, Infinity, Creator(whatever vibrates for YOU personally)...
through Our Own Higher Energies and Selfless Doings by Responsible Choice...
the Essence of 'ALL There Is' is neither male or female A Higher Source of Limitless and Endless Love!

There are many Good Souls here, Humanalien...and many that would befriend You without judging!

[HURRITT ENYETO]

What religion doesn't tell you is the word 'Sin' comes from the ancient Greek meaning 'to miss the target' in other words you haven't done something evil and will go to hell for eternity, rather you haven't learned the lesson properly.
Simple. I know which one makes more sense to me

[humanalien]

Posted by Chuck (here)
Thank you humanalien for sharing a very personal experience. A bit presumptuous of me perhaps but would you describe your current situation as being disillusioned?

The only reason I ask is because if you are, then I totally understand. I (and most likely most Avalonians) have full empathy for anyone experiencing that.

You see, I was brought up Catholic … a good one, heheheh. I lived with a priest for 3 years while attending university with the idea of joining the seminary. I studied theology, philosophy. To make a long story short, I did not join the seminary, instead began a very long process of deprogramming. I traveled far and wide, read voraciously … and became VERY dis-illusioned!!! It is an appropriate term because it was an end to illusions, lies, belief systems… everything that I held dear and important in my life… what I thought were rocks of truth… were suddenly gone. I had no frame of reference. Very scary. I would not wish it on anyone. Yet, it was a sacred baptism of fire. To begin to trust the inner light within, the still small voice, no matter what is taught to the contrary on the outside.

Most everyone on this planet, I suspect will have to go through that to some degree: the process of disillusionment. I suspect that we should prepare ourselves to help those going through it in the days to come. It will be chaos… gnashing of teeth, heheheh when entire nations begin to unravel the truth. Not merely the truth of political and economic tyrants but the truth behind religion, God, science, law, education, aliens… everything!

Avalon, lift up thy sword of truth. Protect and defend the path of righteousness (right use of mind) and freedom.

… or … just chill

To me, there is no disillusion when it comes to believing in God. I know that he exists.
The scriptures verify that. The problem lays in the discernment of them. It is my opinion
that the scriptures have been changed though-out the years to suit the needs of ruling
elite, that happened to be at the time, those that were preaching to others about God.

Back in those days, not very many people could read or write so it wouldn't take much
to change a word here or there or leave out a couple of paragraphs or add a couple in.

My biggest problem is, "and this is the delusional part", are aliens really here to help us
or are they really satans little helpers and they are here to keep us in the dark about
God or to turn and twist his words?

Most of you may have already fought this battle and chose a different path but for me,
the battle continues.

Does that answer your question?

[Maria Stade]

Originally Posted by Houman
Some questions to keep in mind...

- Why was Hitler into "New Age"?
...

Virl and black sun is key words to find answer !

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=eFzOsCTtquQ

Yes Hitler used spiritual people !

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=CvcEnOJvzaA

They built flying crafts.

Namaste

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by Houman (here)

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
The type of beliefs that they had were not referenced in the abrahamic systems.
They had no belief in that at all.

Are you sure about that?

" I have seen the Antichrist. He is cruel and intrepid. He frightened me." Hitler (who or what was he talking about?)

look at

"The Twisted Cross: The Occultic Religion of Hitler and the New Age Nazism of the Third Reich" by
Joseph J. Carr

`The Occult and the Third Reich" by Jean-Michel Angebert

Yes, I am sure.
You quote to me from outsiders.
I have read from insiders.
He wasn't interested in any of the abrahamic stuff, other than how islam was useful in the warrior paradigm that is part of it.

Posted by Maria Stade (here)

Originally Posted by Houman
Some questions to keep in mind...

- Why was Hitler into "New Age"?
...

Virl and black sun is key words to find answer !

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=eFzOsCTtquQ

Yes Hitler used spiritual people !

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=CvcEnOJvzaA

They built flying crafts.

Namaste

Die Schwarze Sonne and the Vril Geselleshaft were not ''new age'' but they were what we would probably call ''paganistic'' or something close to that.
I would like to make a suggestion to you guys, if you wish to get into this, start a thread.
That second video is very good.
However, the farewell note that Maria left actually said ''If you wish to know where we went, look for us at Aldeberan.

Maria, Takk, I appreciate those videos.

[AlkaMyst]

humanalien

It's obvious that i ruffled a few feathers in here but please
believe me that this wasn't my intent. I'm not here acting
as a forum disruptor as some of you may think. Just because
i say something you don't like, are you always going to put
that label on me?

I do see some of your points of view though and i will admit
that i made a couple of statements that i should have never
made and i do deeply apologize for it. I didn't mean to hurt
anyone's feelings here so please forgive me.

I'm fighting a personal battle inside me right now and it's
tearing me apart. I was brought up to believe in God and i
even read the bible, twice. In my later teen years and on
up to present, i've been reading alot about ufo's and aliens
and i was willing to accept the fact that maybe God created
more than just humans in this universe. After all, we can
possibly know every thing God has ever done, just like you
all can't possibly know everything that your parents have
ever done in their lifetime. There-fore i accepted aliens as
one of Gods many creations.

As i studied more and more about them, i started hearing the
stories about many different alien races making a claim that
they are the ones that created human life. At this point, the
battle for my soul began, although i didn't know it yet.

After a little battle with-in, i was finally willing to give it a second
thought and start thinking that maybe we are in a sense, all alien
to this planet. Maybe we all, do have some sort of special abilities
that were put into our dna by the aliens and now they are here trying
to get us to unleash these hidden talents.

As i did further study of aliens, i began finding stories about our creation
that i was just getting to be to much to believe. For instance:

One story i read a few years back, was saying that and alien race, "can't
remember the species right now", were saying that all human life came
from a machine that they built. They just program the machine to any type
of human they wanted and started it up and out the back end, a human would
pop out. That has got to be one of the most ridiculous stories i have ever read.

Anyway, to make a long story short, i've ran across a lot of stories that just totally
make no sense at all and are a total insult to everyones intelligence.

After reading all these stories and the ones that are currently coming out, my
God complex starts coming out and fighting with me and every fiber of my being
is saying that God is the way to go. It's the only thing that make sense to me.

Now that i have shown you a little portion of myself to you, maybe now, you
can understand where i am coming from and also understand that i am not
here as a forum disruptor. I'm just trying to find out why some of you believe
the way you do sense God makes so much more sense to me.

Before i forget, someone here wanted to know why my name is humanalien.

As a teenager, i used to live by a set of railroad tracks. I used to walk these
tracks a lot and just think to myself about many things. I had enough friends
as a teen but i always felt that i never belonged with them or fit in. I used to
walk those tracks and think to myself that i don't belong here "referring to planet
earth". Although i had friends, i just didn't fit in with the crowd. I knew that i
didn't belong with them.

I've had this female friend of mine that i've known almost, all of my life. We
grew up together. I know here family very well and most of her friends and we
all get along just fine. My friend use to have me over to her house all the time
for cook-outs with her and her family. Probably starting around ten years ago,
that feeling of not belonging began hitting me real hard. My last cook-out with
her was about five years ago and it was a bad experience. It was such a very hot
day that the picnic tables were placed inside of her large garage. For me though,
that feeling of not belonging was so strong that i choose to sit outside, up against
the garage wall where the sun was beating down real hard. One woman there must
have realized that something was wrong with me and came out to try and talk with
me but that didn't help at all. A few minutes later, i left. I haven't been back since.

Still believing in aliens and seeing that my outward appearance is human and the
fact that i believe that i am not from this planet, originally, i put the names human
and alien together to sum up what i thought i really was or am. Still deciding on that
one. But anyway, that name stuck with me.

If you don't understand where i'm coming from yet, let me know.

Thank you so much for opening your heart and true feelings to us......this was need to fully understand your point of view and how exactly you feel about the subject matter!

I can FULLY understand where you are coming from because most of my life I felt the same way....alienated and a great sense that I didn't belong here on this planet. All that changed for me once I started gaining deeper knowledge towards certain things and I have to say that Bill & Kerry had a lot to do with my awakening and for that I am forever grateful and indebted to them.

We are all here to learn and support each other, that's why Avalon is such a great community and far beyond any other on the internet. Don't feel that we are trying to gang up on you, we are just trying to help and it may seem that's not the case but remember that everyone is different and not all will share your point of view....but constructive criticism is the best way to learn. Please KNOW that you are loved here and that all of your input in very much valued, and I only speak for myself when I say that I am very pleased to have you here as a member, if there's anything I can do for you or anyway in which I can help you, don't hesitate to ask.

I hope you received my PM and that you enjoy the FTP as well as share any information that you may want with your fellow members. It is so difficult to discuss spiritual and religious matters with others as everyone has their own views on things and it doesn't mean anyone is wrong as we are all working towards the same goal. I for one can tell you that I don't like getting too involved in the subject because of that same reason.

From a fellow human to another......I respect you, value and enjoy you point of view. This is what makes us such beautiful beings, our uniqueness and our differences....if we were all the same, then what fun would that be?

I have uploaded the documentary I mentioned to you before about contantine and would like to share it with you and everyone else now....please have an open mind when you watch it and research that which you find hard to believe, as I was skeptical when I watched it, but after careful research you will find out that all that is said there is true.

Here's the link, watch at your own leisure and enjoy!

http://theavalonfiles.com/secret/secure/Constantines_Sword/index.html

PS
I am sending a friend request, it's ok if you decline.....I understand!

Respect, Love, Peace and Blessings,
AlkaMyst

[HURRITT ENYETO]

Lord Sidious wrote

Yes, I am sure.
You quote to me from outsiders.
I have read from insiders.
He wasn't interested in any of the abrahamic stuff, other than how islam was useful in the warrior paradigm that is part of it.

I would be very interested to hear about this.
Could you elaborate.

Cheers
Hurritt

[manny]

Posted by humanalien (here)
One thing i forgot to clarify is that although i do believe
in God, religion is another matter and maybe we shouldn't
clump the two together.

The bible, as with many other religious text, have been fooled
with. I feel that a lot of it was changed to suit the needs of the
religious leaders, so i guess we should just use good judgment
when trying to discern the text. This is the trouble i have right
now.

I try to find passages that will benefit mankind and not the ones
that benefit one man or one religion.

the faith is deep within us.
although i battle each day lookinking for answers.
each of us has the perception to answer our own inner questions.
does this make sense

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by HURRITT ENYETO (here)
Lord Sidious wrote

Yes, I am sure.
You quote to me from outsiders.
I have read from insiders.
He wasn't interested in any of the abrahamic stuff, other than how islam was useful in the warrior paradigm that is part of it.

I would be very interested to hear about this.
Could you elaborate.

Cheers
Hurritt

I could, but not in someone elses thread.
Start a thread and we can throw things around.

[Chuck]

My biggest problem is, "and this is the delusional part", are aliens really here to help us
or are they really satans little helpers and they are here to keep us in the dark about
God or to turn and twist his words?

Yes, Thank you humanalien.

My hunch and only my opinion is that I don't have to worry about the aliens. It is the humans that are "satans" little helpers. That is, our lust for recognition, influence, power gets used to perpetuate lies and illusions propogated for millenia. I studied Hebrew and Greek so I can read the original biblical texts, yet still without a thorough understanding of the culture that inspired them I was still only guessing what it is the authors originally meant. In the end, it is all about belief systems. So we are always led to that which is within.

Really, what is NOT of God? 'satan' , 'aliens' , dubbya bush heheheh illuminati... all expressions of the infinite unknown. We all get there, let's enjoy each other's diversity my fellow pilgrim.

I want to thank you for being the catalyst for great discussion on this thread.

[AlkaMyst]

I would be very interested to hear about this.
Could you elaborate.

Cheers
Hurritt

Yes Lord, please do.......SEE, I told you guys that this could become a great thread.

I'm loving everyone's input on this.

Thank you Everyone.....

******UPDATE********
OK HURRITT......would you start the thread and invite us over?.....

Blessings,
AlkaMyst

[Swanette]

I think you are all missing the bigger picture here. Hitler was a pawn. There were several million humans killed because of him. It was just a routine de-population. He was not the one in control.

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)

Posted by Houman (here)

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)

Posted by Houman (here)
Some questions to keep in mind...

- Why was Hitler into "New Age"?
...

Where did you get this idea from?

Read "Hitler and the New Age" by Bob Rosio if you can find it...

Look into the connections between Dietrich Eckart and Hilter. Those are Eckart's words: "I shall have influenced history more than any other German. Follow Hitler! I have initiated him into the secret doctrine, opened his centers to vision and given him the means to communicate with the powers"...

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com...initiation.htm

With all due respect to you, that is the biggest load of hogwash I have seen for a while.
Yes, Hitler was in the Thule Society and yes, Eckart was a huge influence over him.
The type of beliefs that they had were not referenced in the abrahamic systems.
They had no belief in that at all.

[Houman]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
You quote to me from outsiders.
I have read from insiders.
He wasn't interested in any of the abrahamic stuff, other than how islam was useful in the warrior paradigm that is part of it.

I thought that Hitler, Eckart and Himmler were insiders...

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
He wasn't interested in any of the abrahamic stuff, other than how islam was useful in the warrior paradigm that is part of it.

It depends on what you mean by "interested", they were indeed not interested in the "belief system" but they were very much interested in the "ancient technology" side of it...
why were the nazis exploring Montsegur and Cathars region? What did they find there?

A little known fact is the connection between Aryan and Iran (which literally means "land of the Aryans")
In the Iranian mythology "civilization" was not a slow progress but humankind has literally been schooled into that by the kings of old

And what is Ahura-Mazda (God in Ancient Iran)

doing in a winged (flying) disk with legs (landing gears)?

[Maria Stade]

Lord Sidious wrote

Die Schwarze Sonne and the Vril Society were not ''new age'' but they were what we would probably call ''paganistic'' or something close to that.
I would like to make a suggestion to you guys, if you wish to get into this, start a thread.
That second video is very good.
However, the farewell note that Maria left actually said ''If you wish to know where we went, look for us at Aldeberan.

Maria, Takk, I appreciate those videos.

Some belive that ufos is newage LOL and if you are spiritual and belive in ufos then you are a newage person.

Your wecome and yes If someone starts a thread I can fill in with some understanding.
Im not that intressted actualy. Just happen to know some of it.
End of this diskussion here in this thread by me anyway.

Namaste

[Möbius]

Posted by humanalien (here)
Obviously, their isn't one among you that believe in God,
the one and only creator.

For some of you:
You all would rather believe that aliens, of many different
species created you and they have endowed you with the
power to go on to the next level of consciousness, with
their help.

For the charles believers:
You would rather believe that charles has a machine that
can do many miraculous things to the human mind.

You would rather believe that charles has a 5000 year old
human master than believe in God.

When is the last time you saw a 5000 year old human?
I for one never have.

These stories are by far, are more ridiculous than
believing in God.

It doesn't bother me that you don't believe in God.
To each his/her own as the saying goes but to believe
the stuff that charles has been saying is very childish.

You have a brain. Please use it......

Who created God??

[AlkaMyst]

I think you are all missing the bigger picture here. Hitler was a pawn. There were several million humans killed because of him. It was just a routine de-population. He was not the one in control.

I completely see you point of view.....Please take a look at the documentary I posted above, as it discusses the Hitler subject also.

Blessings,
AlkaMyst

[manny]

when i was about ten a older friend ,of about 14 joined the catholic church.
she said to me "manny why don,t you join the catholic church ,so that you will be closer to god".
well i was a introvert and did not speak my mind.
what i was actually thinking was ...why do i have to join a church to receive the love of god.
god does not discriminate.
i did not say anything at that time ,but it stayed with me all these years.

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by Swanette (here)
I think you are all missing the bigger picture here. Hitler was a pawn. There were several million humans killed because of him. It was just a routine de-population. He was not the one in control.

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)

Posted by Houman (here)

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)

Posted by Houman (here)
Some questions to keep in mind...

- Why was Hitler into "New Age"?
...

Where did you get this idea from?

Read "Hitler and the New Age" by Bob Rosio if you can find it...

Look into the connections between Dietrich Eckart and Hilter. Those are Eckart's words: "I shall have influenced history more than any other German. Follow Hitler! I have initiated him into the secret doctrine, opened his centers to vision and given him the means to communicate with the powers"...

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com...initiation.htm

With all due respect to you, that is the biggest load of hogwash I have seen for a while.
Yes, Hitler was in the Thule Society and yes, Eckart was a huge influence over him.
The type of beliefs that they had were not referenced in the abrahamic systems.
They had no belief in that at all.

I would say that he was in control of both the NSDAP and the Reich.
There were many others that were involved, both officially and unofficially.

Posted by Houman (here)

I thought that Hitler, Eckart and Himmler were insiders...

They were and that is who I am talking of, not people talking of them.

Posted by Houman (here)
It depends on what you mean by "interested", they were indeed not interested in the "belief system" but they were very much interested in the "ancient technology" side of it...

Very much so and they were not disappointed with things they found.

Posted by Houman (here)
why were the nazis exploring Montsegur and Cathars region? What did they find there?

And Babylon. And Tibet. And Egypt.

Posted by Houman (here)
A little known fact is the connection between Aryan and Iran (which literally means "land of the Aryans")
In the Iranian mythology "civilization" was not a slow progress but humankind has literally been schooled into that by the kings of old

The meaning of Aryan is ''pure'' and we are not the Aryans, our progenitors were the Aryans, we have that in us.

Posted by Houman (here)
And what is Ahura-Mazda (God in Ancient Iran)

doing in a winged (flying) disk with legs (landing gears)?

He is obviously flying across country to have a look at the latest temples.

[Gone002]

like all things there are 100 views and thoughts on it. religion is the prime example of this.

[AlkaMyst]

Here's what really made me think things over and it happened when I was 16......my whole family is catholic, but I don't judge them.

When I was in Catholic Sunday school, getting prepared for baptism and first communion I asked the priest "Can you please explain to me how is it that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit can all be the same thing?" and his response to me was "It just is"....well to say the least, that didn't satisfy me one bit and it was then when I started my quest for higher knowledge as I knew right then and there that something was being hidden from humanity and I wanted to find out the "What and Why?"....I now know better!

Just my 2 cents!

Blessings,
AlkaMyst