Movie 'Contact' - Hidden Gem

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Karl (here)
To see what I want to show you, you need an official version, or as close to it as possible. (Why on earth - or in space! - could that be important?) The copy that Bill kindly shared will not help you! (I checked.) I suggest you stick with the Odysee version in the first post.

What does 'an official version' mean? I'm letting the two play simultaneously in the background with the audio off to see what may be different (excluded/included), but I'm not going to spend two and a half hours watching the whole thing again one more time. I've already seen the movie half a dozen times or more, from different sources over many years, and I feel I know it pretty well.

There's a highly significant part of the movie for me that dovetails directly into current events, which I've mentioned in other posts on several other threads. But because I don't know where this thread is going I'm not going to reveal key spoilers.

[Denise/Dizi]

Just a note that struck a chord with me about the movie... (And a bit off topic perhaps, but it intertwines)...

In 2014 and 2015, I was having some odd experiences.. You could call them alien in nature, telepathic, etc... But as a result, it opened up some sort of telepathic link that allowed me to "remote view" for awhile, until it wore off. It was more like biolocating or something along those lines, as I could leave my body, and just appear elsewhere, while knowing I was still sitting in my original location. While "there", I could see, as if from a bystanders point of view, other surroundings, and those "there", somehow knew I was there as well..As many remote viewers claim. This was no different.

Of course I began to seek out remote viewers to explain the phenomenon... And came across John Vivanco. I told him what I was experiencing, and he told me, "If you want to see a lot of aliens or strange things, remote view Vega!"...

I focused my attention towards Vega, and indeed, began to see "beings" on what appeared to be a very advanced "Platform"... It had strange lifts or elevators off to the sides on my right, and many beings just walking around, of all types... Two in particular were the closest to me, and they resembled the et in Star Wars, the Clone Wars.. The tall white "Greylike" looking beings, with very long necks, and very white skin. And they both turned to me and saw me watching them...

I remember being somewhat shocked when they saw me, as I knew I was really sitting at home on my bed in a state of relaxation... The one thing that really amused me, was that they appeared to have double eye lids. One normal, and the same color of their skin, but another see through lid, that was fully transparent when they blinked... They were so very graceful in their movements, and I was stunned I was seeing this... They didn't show any expression, just stared at me, and went along their business as if this was a common occurrence...

The last thing I saw prior to leaving that "Viewing" was a female, long and lean, that looked relatively human, walking by... But the thing that drew my attention, was that she had extra joints in her legs that bent backwards like most canines! (come to think of it, her face was a bit canine in features as well)...

When I told John, what I saw, he laughed and said, yeah those elevators... People fall into them all the time... (Or something along those lines)... They had platforms but no doors, and looked like nothing more than see through tubes... You step on the platforms, and they take you to where you are going...

So for me, to hear that Vega was the location that the messages came from, in the movie Contact, was a bit surprising...

Granted it has nothing to do with other movies, or any "Gem"... But it did spark y interest in the thread, and again, the movie... For me, it was something that really caught my attention.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Posted by Denise/Dizi (here)
Two in particular were the closest to me, and they resembled the et in Star Wars, the Clone Wars.. The tall white "Greylike" looking beings, with very long necks, and very white skin. And they both turned to me and saw me watching them...

I believe you mean these beings, called Kaminoans from Star Wars: Attack of the Clones.



Very fascinating indeed. Especially that Vega is a relatively young star, barely any older than life on earth (~ 500m years). Too young I think for an intelligent indigenous species to evolve. It might have been settled by beings from elsewhere I suppose, like the Pleiades as some claim (also very young), or a planet there serves as a kind of way-station or base housing a variety of different races. If true, very cool and very Star Trek!

[lake]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Karl (here)
To see what I want to show you, you need an official version, or as close to it as possible. (Why on earth - or in space! - could that be important?) The copy that Bill kindly shared will not help you! (I checked.) I suggest you stick with the Odysee version in the first post.

What does 'an official version' mean? I'm letting the two play simultaneously in the background with the audio off to see what may be different (excluded/included), but I'm not going to spend two and a half hours watching the whole thing again one more time. I've already seen the movie half a dozen times or more, from different sources over many years, and I feel I know it pretty well.

There's a highly significant part of the movie for me that dovetails directly into current events, which I've mentioned in other posts on several other threads. But because I don't know where this thread is going I'm not going to reveal key spoilers.

It is all a tad "look what i know and you don't" .... type of thread for me but ....

The original film is quoted at being 149 mins 38 sec
The film in the opening post is 149 mins 40 sec
Your film Bill is 143 mins 4 sec

But really whatever lol

Edit to add :

I took both films (the OP one and Bills)
Began to go through them (each on a separate screen) and the 6 mins seem to be spread through the film!
I hoped to see an actual 'cut' out 4-6 mins but no I didn't see that, although I only spent a very short amount of time looking.
Moved them both to the rubbish bin ....

If the OP has something to share which is valuable knowledge then I say:

"Stop messing good people about and say it .... else you just come across as a very needy being who is just looking for attention!"

Absolute waste of my time

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by lake (here)
The original film is quoted at being 149 mins 38 sec
The film in the opening post is 149 mins 40 sec
Your film Bill is 143 mins 4 sec

I have two versions. The one I have here and which I watched again just a few weeks ago is 2.3Gb, too large for the WeTransfer limit of 2Gb. (That one is 149 minutes long.)

So when I saw this new thread I hunted for a torrent download for a version with a smaller file size, and that's the one I shared here:

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
It's a terrific film, and I've watched it quite a few times. Here's a download link, valid for 7 days:
https://we.tl/t-nY2SQkjkIK (600Mb mp4)

The 600Mb version seems to me to be exactly the same (but plays very slightly faster), and so far I've not detected any difference in the content.
I'll keep looking.

[lake]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by lake (here)
The original film is quoted at being 149 mins 38 sec
The film in the opening post is 149 mins 40 sec
Your film Bill is 143 mins 4 sec

I have two versions. The one I have here and which I watched again just a few weeks ago is 2.3Gb, too large for the WeTransfer limit of 2Gb. (That one is 149 minutes long.)

So when I saw this new thread I hunted for a torrent download for a version with a smaller file size, and that's the one I shared here:

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
It's a terrific film, and I've watched it quite a few times. Here's a download link, valid for 7 days:
https://we.tl/t-nY2SQkjkIK (600Mb mp4)

The 600Mb version seems to me to be exactly the same (but plays very slightly faster), and so far I've not detected any difference in the content.
I'll keep looking.

Good call Bill

I just pulled them both out of the rubbish bin and looked at the first 4 mins.
There is a 12 sec difference.
But watching the 2 at the same time .... there is no difference in content!
So what difference the need to watch the OP version as opposed to the one you shared >> no idea.

Edit to add:

The issue is that for some of us there is not the time to play these silly games of "this is so very important, wonder if you can find it?"

Again .... If it is important .... then post it .... else some of us will never see it!

[Michel Leclerc]

Thank you Karl for making us watch again this gem of a film – even twice. Almost thrice even.

Not so much what has happened in history, but what has happened to me personally in those 25 years since its appearance made me discover new layers in it.

As a result, I tend to see it now as showing space as an extended metaphor, an allegory even, for human life. The “we live in a hologram” catch phrase would then be true in reverse. The “machine” prove the truth of Near Death Experiences. Occam’s razor not be a blessing but a bad spell cast on science. Time not ex-ist. Space be us.

Birth and death be identical. All of us be hybrids.

Or, to borrow Gertrude Stein’s “rose” definition: a gem is a gem is a gem.

[onevoice]

Posted by Karl (here)

Thank you Dizi! I admit, my goal is to have most of you craving for the piñata at the end, while a few - hopefully - will have found it on their own. (Arwen? I like your picture.) This thread is about the analysis of the movie Contact, and indeed, what we are being told more generally - hidden in plain sight - by the entertainment industry. The BTTF series is a masterpiece in its own right and deserves a ton of attention, but I will basically race through it, using it only to establish Zemeckis' credentials. Yes, there is no doubt he has inside information, and what he put into BTTF I is now very much public knowledge plastered all over the internet.

Artemisia, thanks for sharing your experiences. And the clip. The movie is about the message. And understanding the message is key to understanding the movie.

Ishta,

loved it so much that I had to own it

Maybe for a reason? To see what I want to show you, you need an official version, or as close to it as possible. (Why on earth - or in space! - could that be important?) The copy that Bill kindly shared will not help you! (I checked.) I suggest you stick with the Odysee version in the first post.

Mark, I chose the word 'gem', maybe because I almost fell off my chair when I found it. A real discovery. But I like Dizi's party piñata as well! Gold nuggets, all OK. Let me just say there is an entire story being told, related to but different from the surface story, that goes completely over your head if you don't know how to look for it.

Again, I have no active link to the full movie. If anyone has, please share.

Thanks for starting this thread, Karl. I enjoyed this movie immensely when it came out, it was beautifully crafted.

Yes, when I watched the movie before I didn't notice it, I got caught up in the general plot of the movie. I believe the gem you're referring to is in a scene where Dr. Ellie Arroway character is alone. This symbol is very meaningful in my life pursuit. Most people won't know the significance of the symbol unless you are in a deep pursuit. I couldn't believe I missed it, and it certainly is not discussed by anyone else in the movie, it's just there to make a quiet statement, and oh boy what a statement it is. A "perfect quiet" counterpoint to a main theme of the movie. The gem only makes sense if one knows what the symbol is. Only those of strong alternative spiritual pursuit will know the great significance of the symbol, which is the gem I believe you are referring to.

Posted by lake (here)
The original film is quoted at being 149 mins 38 sec
The film in the opening post is 149 mins 40 sec
Your film Bill is 143 mins 4 sec

Let's see if anyone else sees the "gem." BTW, I've compared the original movie in your original post, and the movie link that Bill provided. As Lake mentioned earlier, the two versions of the movie are identical since I ran the two versions in parallel at the same time through two different monitors on a same computer. The longer version just plays slightly faster for some reason.

Here is the link good through 23 August, 2023 to download same length (149 mins 40 sec) movie as in the original post:

Here is the link to download "Back to the Future." good through 23 August 2023.

When I watched the original movie in the theaters back then I distinctly remember a scene where the "host" pretending to be Dr. Ellie Arroway's father showed her a dew on a tree which contained entire "universe" thus demonstrating the fratal nature of the our universe(s). So maybe we are experiencing a Mandela effect, such the James Bone movie Moonraker

Does anybody else remember the "dew" containing the universe scene in the original movie shown in the theaters for the Contact?

[Denise/Dizi]

Posted by Mark (Star Mariner) (here)

Posted by Denise/Dizi (here)
Two in particular were the closest to me, and they resembled the et in Star Wars, the Clone Wars.. The tall white "Greylike" looking beings, with very long necks, and very white skin. And they both turned to me and saw me watching them...

I believe you mean these beings, called Kaminoans from Star Wars: Attack of the Clones.



Very fascinating indeed. Especially that Vega is a relatively young star, barely any older than life on earth (~ 500m years). Too young I think for an intelligent indigenous species to evolve. It might have been settled by beings from elsewhere I suppose, like the Pleiades as some claim (also very young), or a planet there serves as a kind of way-station or base housing a variety of different races. If true, very cool and very Star Trek!

YES... These guys!!! I found an image years ago that looked even closer to what I saw... More realistic... (I will try to post it... But I am bad at posting images... and never found time to play in the sandbox for lessons )



I got the impression that this was a weigh station of sorts... Like some ET airport hahaha. And they were used to seeing beings that we couldn't imagine, all the time.. It surely blew my mind! Perhaps someone was using technology to create everything I saw, and sent it directly to my mind, but regardless of how it happened, I was surprised it happened at all...

[Bluegreen]

I have not followed this thread seeing as how the last movie I paid to see was in 1999. But I did see this one.

The only thing that bothered me was when they went to the desert, and portrayed the UFO crazies, a very real part of this phenomena, along the road with their signs and whatnot. It seemed so Hollywood cartoonish to me, like Dragnet portraying the hippies.

Otherwise it was a good movie.

[Agape]

After some pondering , I think onevoice is quite right there.

Only the part after 1.43 minutes that is the “experience” is worth rewatching. . Are you implying the whole experience was created by a Host consciousness. Ok, why not. What else.

Yes I remember dew drop on green leaf .

There was a rainbow in it. I think I’ve seen the movie on big screen when I was a teenager and then long after on laptop. It’s definitely one of my favourites.

Clues:

The gem of experience. The gem of reunion. The gem of deeper understanding of own identity .

3 gems have to suffice but add your own perspective.

The rest of the movie stays in “shade” compared to the only scene everyone wanted to see ..

So long ( and thanks for all the fish)

In the elusive timespace of cosmic uncertainty we are but aquarium fish who wish

That we are free and flying

So we learn to fly

🙏💫🦢

[JackMcThorn]

This must be the most patient thread on all that is of the vastness of the internet.

I have seen it several times but I do not know what the hidden gem is, to be honest.

The hype is real.

[Agape]

How strangely a Mirror. In the otherworldly Mind of my Pure experience

I also now see reflections of this worldly mind.
The burning island of Maui and hypothetical reunion of North and South Korea.

We are so similar to them and them comes from the same Super-duper Cluster of creation.

The Mega Cloud of Creation ..

We have just got stuck here for a while and forgotten our true identity even partially.

We have been always trying to contact the Source by any means ..


In all shrines, mosques, cathedrals , in the rocks and white washed sands and while we connect to the Source of our Being
that Being and many of its higher entities
can contact us back
consciously.

Why was this movie created is to show the very impossibility of the “contact edge”,
an “Occam’s razor”, the hunt for the truth, the diamond part

And yet it shows big virtual deception .

If they’ve truly tested us we would fail profoundly . That’s clear “negativity bias” based on presumption that “everything g has to always stay the same”.

Plenty of other scenarios are possible since the Universe is vast.


So beware it’s a movie, not the Truth.


Thanks to the Host of the Show


🙏

[Little Ishta]

Karl, there was a reason for why I bought it. This movie touched me in so many ways. It "spoke" to me and to my soul. I've had many strange experiences through my life that I can not explain. I've always thought I had a vivid imagination.. lol. But it wasn't.
As for the dvd that I own, it is a special edition.. the movie time is 150mins.

[Karl]

Artemesia, thanks for the thoughts and beautiful music.

Bill, thanks for moderating this thread. Sorry if I caused confusion. No need to play them side by side (Lake, Onevoice), just ponder the question: “Why could the difference be important?” What is official? Good question. I would say as directly from the original distributor as you can get. After seeing your very interesting post (99% agree), I can assure you, you will not be disappointed. But, since you have already seen so much, you may not fall off your chair. Where this thread is going? If it is up to me: continue the Zemeckis flash tour – almost there – onto some final clues to give diggers a good chance, a word of warning, the gem/piñata itself and my interpretation. And, of course, thoughts and discussion.

Dizi/Mark, I am a null at remote viewing, so thanks for sharing. It must be a real zoo out there!

Lake, thanks for pushing back. In our physical reality energy moves in cycles, e.g., AC current, guitar strings, stock markets, predator-prey cycles... Nothing advances without pushback. Thanks for the film lengths! Interesting, because the Odysee version I linked to (149’40”) would be 20” short according to IMDB’s – quite ‘official’, Bill – 150’. (“OP”, I guess, is me?) Basically, I agree with you: if there’s anything I need to know, just tell me. Unfortunately, that is not how the world works, be that in personal relations or international politics, heck, even in science, which is supposedly searching for ‘thruth’. Ask yourself, why would a film director bury a message in a movie to reveal it only thirty years later? Just so he could say ‘told you so’? Or does he have something else to say? So, yes, I believe I know something you don’t. I will tell you in plain English and it won’t take thirty years.

Onevoice, to you and others I apologise for having chosen the word “gem” to attract your attention to this thread. I am not refering to a single scene or symbol. I will repeat my answer to Mark: “There is an entire story being told, related to but different from the surface story, that goes completely over your head if you don't know how to look for it.” Thanks a lot for the download links! Similar stories are told over and over again. We could have a look at the Moonraker plot towards the end of the thread. For now, let’s stick with Zemeckis’ work.

Jack, I know this is a hectic world. Slow down! Zemeckis made BTTF I 16 years before 9/11. When did he learn about this event? What does that mean for when was 9/11 planned? What are the timescales these people are working with? 50+ years at least. Not 5’ video clips.

Ishta, yes, 150’ is the ‘correct’ answer. (Feeling like a math teacher now. )

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Has anyone download files or links to The Walk, BTTF II and III? That would be helpful. The only thing I found is BTTF II in French, paying on top. Tomorrowland, if you like.

When I watched Contact, the following things bothered me. Those where to me the ‘black cat déjà vus’, the glitches in the matrix. They signal something is wrong. They are not mistakes, they urge you to look again, deeper.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=z_KmNZNT5xw

To be clear, these are not the ‘gems’ I found, these are what set me out digging. It is only because I knew Zemeckis’ BTTF series, The Walk, Tomorrowland (Disney) and The Black Hole (Disney), that I could even believe there would be something to search for. I am not saying you have to agree with me on this – or on anything else for that matter – I am only showing you what got me to dig. To you it might have been something else entirely.

• The opening scene is too long. Nothing more, just an impression.
• About 13’ into the movie, Ellie tells Palmer about the toy compass: “You’d better keep this. It might save your life some day.” That, to me, is the Tomorrowland pin. In turn referring to the 1979 Disney movie The Black Hole – no need to watch it, just read the plot. At this point I become very interested.
• The terrorist destroying the first machine. Totally unbelieveable in the storyline. IF the story is about alien contact and sending an earthling out, than let him go! This guy shows up like a deus ex machina twisting everything around. Like in a circle story telling game, where the next person says: “But it was all a dream and...”, or something of that nature. The terrorist sub-plot is not developed at all, not before, not after. And what was his message??
• Around 1h40 Hadden asks Ellie if she “Wanna go for a ride?” Tomorrowland! Now I am sure. Hadden also refers bact to the genius captain of The Black Hole spaceship.
• Entering the capsule takes way too long. Again, Zemeckis knows how to tell a story, and IF the story is about the space journey, then let her take a seat – if you even need to show that – and take off.

Curious to hear your thoughts.

[lake]

Posted by Karl (here)
Thanks for the film lengths! Interesting, because the Odysee version I linked to (149’40”) would be 20” short according to IMDB’s – quite ‘official’, Bill – 150’.

IMDB is not 'official' though .... it is part of Amazon.

The BBFC (British Board of Film Classification) is 'official' and they passed the film for viewing UNCUT at 149 mins 38 secs!

https://web.archive.org/web/20141129...contact-1970-4

[Losus4]

Comment for movie link.

[Nasu]

Hi Karl, welcome to the forum. So glad you made it.

Sooo, you mentioned something about a gem in this movie, care to share?

My Gem in the movie was the beginning, where she learnt to look and listen and wonder about the universe from her dad........x.............. N

[onevoice]

Posted by Karl (here)
Artemesia, thanks for the thoughts and beautiful music.

Bill, thanks for moderating this thread. Sorry if I caused confusion. No need to play them side by side (Lake, Onevoice), just ponder the question: “Why could the difference be important?” What is official? Good question. I would say as directly from the original distributor as you can get. After seeing your very interesting post (99% agree), I can assure you, you will not be disappointed. But, since you have already seen so much, you may not fall off your chair. Where this thread is going? If it is up to me: continue the Zemeckis flash tour – almost there – onto some final clues to give diggers a good chance, a word of warning, the gem/piñata itself and my interpretation. And, of course, thoughts and discussion.

Dizi/Mark, I am a null at remote viewing, so thanks for sharing. It must be a real zoo out there!

Lake, thanks for pushing back. In our physical reality energy moves in cycles, e.g., AC current, guitar strings, stock markets, predator-prey cycles... Nothing advances without pushback. Thanks for the film lengths! Interesting, because the Odysee version I linked to (149’40”) would be 20” short according to IMDB’s – quite ‘official’, Bill – 150’. (“OP”, I guess, is me?) Basically, I agree with you: if there’s anything I need to know, just tell me. Unfortunately, that is not how the world works, be that in personal relations or international politics, heck, even in science, which is supposedly searching for ‘thruth’. Ask yourself, why would a film director bury a message in a movie to reveal it only thirty years later? Just so he could say ‘told you so’? Or does he have something else to say? So, yes, I believe I know something you don’t. I will tell you in plain English and it won’t take thirty years.

Onevoice, to you and others I apologise for having chosen the word “gem” to attract your attention to this thread. I am not refering to a single scene or symbol. I will repeat my answer to Mark: “There is an entire story being told, related to but different from the surface story, that goes completely over your head if you don't know how to look for it.” Thanks a lot for the download links! Similar stories are told over and over again. We could have a look at the Moonraker plot towards the end of the thread. For now, let’s stick with Zemeckis’ work.

Jack, I know this is a hectic world. Slow down! Zemeckis made BTTF I 16 years before 9/11. When did he learn about this event? What does that mean for when was 9/11 planned? What are the timescales these people are working with? 50+ years at least. Not 5’ video clips.

Ishta, yes, 150’ is the ‘correct’ answer. (Feeling like a math teacher now. )

----------------------

Has anyone download files or links to The Walk, BTTF II and III? That would be helpful. The only thing I found is BTTF II in French, paying on top. Tomorrowland, if you like.

When I watched Contact, the following things bothered me. Those where to me the ‘black cat déjà vus’, the glitches in the matrix. They signal something is wrong. They are not mistakes, they urge you to look again, deeper.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=z_KmNZNT5xw

To be clear, these are not the ‘gems’ I found, these are what set me out digging. It is only because I knew Zemeckis’ BTTF series, The Walk, Tomorrowland (Disney) and The Black Hole (Disney), that I could even believe there would be something to search for. I am not saying you have to agree with me on this – or on anything else for that matter – I am only showing you what got me to dig. To you it might have been something else entirely.

• The opening scene is too long. Nothing more, just an impression.
• About 13’ into the movie, Ellie tells Palmer about the toy compass: “You’d better keep this. It might save your life some day.” That, to me, is the Tomorrowland pin. In turn referring to the 1979 Disney movie The Black Hole – no need to watch it, just read the plot. At this point I become very interested.
• The terrorist destroying the first machine. Totally unbelieveable in the storyline. IF the story is about alien contact and sending an earthling out, than let him go! This guy shows up like a deus ex machina twisting everything around. Like in a circle story telling game, where the next person says: “But it was all a dream and...”, or something of that nature. The terrorist sub-plot is not developed at all, not before, not after. And what was his message??
• Around 1h40 Hadden asks Ellie if she “Wanna go for a ride?” Tomorrowland! Now I am sure. Hadden also refers bact to the genius captain of The Black Hole spaceship.
• Entering the capsule takes way too long. Again, Zemeckis knows how to tell a story, and IF the story is about the space journey, then let her take a seat – if you even need to show that – and take off.

Curious to hear your thoughts.

OK, thanks for clearing up what you are really after. I think Zemeckis is communicating many things on many levels, so many levels of hidden meanings. At first these meanings that I pointed out, I missed them when I was viewing the movie for the first time and just enjoying it.

According to the following short YT video, Zemeckis say that the movie is about a story of two people who love each other but are kept apart by their different ideologies.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=99xzCE1hsQc

So this is one level of meaning, which I understood. The overt message in the movie is that in our world many ideologies, dogmas and beliefs separates each of us from others. That is why currently so much of the world population is divided and in conflict with each other. Obviously the Arroway character is following a Buddhist practices which provides a spiritual foundation for her life pursuits. However, her spiriticual path conflicts with the Zoss's spiritual path, but their love for each other overcomes their different spiritual paths.

Another message that I see Zemeckis communicating is that the universe is perfect in its structure and action. This is symbolized by the triangular shaped suicide pill. I missed this message when I first saw the movie in the theater. Normally we would think a pilll would be in its normal capsule form, and not a traingular shape. The shape must have significance. The millersguild site has many explanations for the triangle symbol. Among these meaning of a triangle symbol is that of Holy Trinity for Christians and Buddhist Trikaya which are three bodies or modes of a Buddha. Another meaning of triangle is that it symbolizes perfection. So this triangle symbol serves to unify all the many conflicting ideologies held by many of the main characters. The triangle symbol occurs throughout the movie, in many conspicuous places like the top of the Washington Monument and the tops of the green tents in the demonstration scene and many other places too numerous to mention.

And I see your point about the introduction of the movie being too long. I noticed that the movie begins by zooming out from a galaxy and zooming out past other stars and galaxies eventually culminating in the reflection of a young Ellie's eye. For this part, I would say Zemeckis is saying that the whole universe is all connected, from the smallest part to the biggest structure. Perhaps our universe and other universes are in the dreamscape of the Source. Although we may feel separate from each other and the Source, we are co-creators. In Buddhist cosmology, the last historical Buddha of more than 2,500 years ago is but an emanation of a primordial Buddha, who may also be an emanation, etc so on to infinity. An Abbot of a Buddhist meditation center in NY says that there is only One. In other words, when I see the Abbot walking across my field of vision, it is only an illusion created in my mind, much like the movie is composed of hundreds of thousands of frames flashing through our eyes. Everything we perceive, we are projecting from our consciousness to experience them and learn from them.

Anyway, I look forward for you and others to uncover the hidden meanings of this movie.

Download links good through 25 August, 2023:
Back to the Future II

Back to the Future III

The Walk 2015

[Michel Leclerc]

Posted by Karl (here)

(...)
[*]The terrorist destroying the first machine. Totally unbelieveable in the storyline. IF the story is about alien contact and sending an earthling out, than let him go! This guy shows up like a deus ex machina twisting everything around. Like in a circle story telling game, where the next person says: “But it was all a dream and...”, or something of that nature. The terrorist sub-plot is not developed at all, not before, not after. And what was his message??

(...)

Curious to hear your thoughts.

Well, Karl, I have both professionally and vocationally defended the idea that “correctness” of interpretation of any artistic utterance is not something we should wish to achieve – because of both the uniqueness of each human set of life experiences and the fact that we somehow partially share these unique sets with each other, being dividuals rather than individuals, as well as because the endeavour of each serious work of art is to dialectically encompass its own annihilation, or preservation through another work of art — so (yes, I am coming to my point), allow me to differ with you on the “terrorist plot”.

“like a deus ex machina twisting everything around“ you wrote, somehow unwittingly or maybe quite subtly exposing the importance of the character. The omnipresence of “Gard” – in the Bible-Belt “American” pronunciation of the word “God” which makes me shiver whenever I hear it – in the movie is clear, and especially relevant as a contrast with the unspoken but displayed omnipresence of the divine. The unsavoury white terrorist preacher is not a deus ex machina but a diabolus ex machina (and even a “diabolus in musica“ as he is first seen emerging from the soundscape cacophony of dozens of silly songs heaped upon each other). And as such, and in line with the meaning of the word ”diabolus” as literally the between-thrower, the Interjector, he interrupts the “angelic conversation” (Shakespeare) between God and Man (or Lilithian Woman as Jodie Foster is in real life) as the evil spirit coming out of the machine of metal instead of carbon – and more in general out of the American conception of the Marriage of Gard and Technology instead of the Japanese sense for ritual and "spirit everywhere” spirituality which builds a working machine. He literally throws himself as a wrench into the mechanism (his chest covered with mock-silver duct tape) and as the Inter-jector he is. The spirit which is necessary for such endeavours is thereby shown to be something else altogether.

There is of course a lot more to be said about this work of art – by me and by all other members having formulated “fragments of interpretation” – which motivates me to nudge you on a little and request you to expound your ideas on this “second” and more essential story line. I am genuinely interested in what you have discovered.