You think you are a god?

[RedeZra]

Posted by truthseekerdan (here)

so God presents Himself as an ideal Man among men so that man can raise to realize God

Hope that you don't really believe that God is just a male...

there is a difference

the Creator is the Only masculine principle

while males only play the part


please Dan don't push the patience ; )

[humanalien]

Posted by waterlily (here)
We are all Spiritual beings having a Physical experience

I used to believe that saying at one time. Maybe i still do but i'm not sure.

I used to think that we humans were shells that held in an angelic soul and
their purpose for wanting to live in these meat suits was to help them learn
what being alive was like and learning lifes many experiences.

A couple of years back, i wandered upon a web site that was talking about
angels and it said angels don't have souls. That is why God put us above
the angels because we do have souls.

I'm sure your term "Spiritual beings" means something else but i
just thought i tell you about what you post made me remember.

[humanalien]

so God presents Himself as an ideal Man among men so that man can raise to realize God

I, in my opinion, believe that God is neither male nor female. God in it's
pure form is just intelligent energy.

[skyflower]

From the very mouth of the "Son of God" came these very words:

Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods'?

Jesus was a prime example of what we all truly are. He showed us our potential.
He even said that we could perform even greater miracles than he has performed. Walk on water? Why not just fly?
It is not by believing in that name "Jesus Christ" that you are saved. It isn't by chanting his name, and accepting that person from 2000 years ago.

You are saved when you acknowledge the God within you, that Divine spark. You are already a child of God. You are God.
Your salvation comes when you start identifying with the God within you, instead with the vehicle you are in, which is the body.

The bible is so full of symbolism, only to demonstrate this one and only thing.
That is all to the message in the bible. Something so simple, but men with their selfish agendas have managed to make it utterly complicated.

Peace and Love be with you~

[witchy1]

It is like saying that christians, jews, muslims or freemasons can only be good..

Witches follow the Rede: Eight words ye Wiccan Rede fulfill - An' it harm none, Do what ye will"

Witches come from all religions who understand and share this basic tenent. It is not an orgainised religion in the true sense of the word. There are no holy text, there are no leaders or commandments other than the rede and Rule of 3. Many Wiccans are solitary Witches.

The only reason the words satanic and witch are used in the same sentence is due to the history - originating in the Church which is why I provided the link, to assist in understanding why this happened and why it is perpetuated today?

Anton Szandor LaVey wrote a fantasy of seduction. He tried to promote a kind of feminism that was based on the perceived notions of Christianity where women and lust were considered to be evil. His clear agenda is about stereotyping women and their role in society, instead of discussing the art of witchcraft. It is a very shallow perception that he promoted because of his desire to objectify women. He has a controlling unheathly attitude about women. Given you have quoted his book I am sure you are aware of him describing himself as the current world leader of the Satanist Church http://www.churchofsatan.com/Pages/C...sHandbook.html
Perhaps not your best source of information on the topic of Witchcraft.

Why are the people at the top of the ladder warlocks and witches?
- Why do they sacrifice people?

They do not

This is not about organized religion or men vs women

No, this is about your comment and my attempt at an explanation why your comment concerning Witches are wrong. The history provides how some ill informed people remain with the opinion that there are dark witches. It is about men and women and religion isasmuch as it relates to your comment. Have you read the link?

Rather than hi-jack this thread, I will start a new one where we can discuss it in depth, but I leave you to ponder the following as a basic tenant of the craft.

"Wiccans believe that the spirit of the One, Goddess and God exist in all things. In the trees, rain, flowers, the sea, in each other and all of natures creatures. This means that we must treat 'all things' of the Earth as aspects of the divine."-- Wicca.com

There can be no Witch anywhere that sacrfices human life. They have another name, it is not Witchcraft.

[humanalien]

Posted by skyflower (here)
From the very mouth of the "Son of God" came these very words:

Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods'?

Jesus was a prime example of what we all truly are. He showed us our potential.
He even said that we could perform even greater miracles than he has performed. Walk on water? Why not just fly?
It is not by believing in that name "Jesus Christ" that you are saved. It isn't by chanting his name, and accepting that person from 2000 years ago.

You are saved when you acknowledge the God within you, that Divine spark. You are already a child of God. You are God.
Your salvation comes when you start identifying with the God within you, instead with the vehicle you are in, which is the body.

The bible is so full of symbolism, only to demonstrate this one and only thing.
That is all to the message in the bible. Something so simple, but men with their selfish agendas have managed to make it utterly complicated.

Peace and Love be with you~

I remember that from John 10:34 KJV
Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

Psalms 82:6:
have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

I think that we will become small gods but we can never be God.

***NOTICE***

To anyone that has a firm belief in God, could you please
read this page and tell me what you think? It's a short
story and i found it to be some what an eye opener. If
this is true, it is really profound.

http://reluctant-messenger.com/and-God-said.htm

[humanalien]

"Wiccans believe that the spirit of the One, Goddess and God exist in all things. In the trees, rain, flowers, the sea, in each other and all of natures creatures. This means that we must treat 'all things' of the Earth as aspects of the divine."-- Wicca.com

That may be a true statement since God created all things but wiccans
worship mother earth and not God. My daughter used to belong to a wiccan
clan and that is what she told me. Not only that but you were suppose to
purchase the same type fairy costume (as i call them) as the rest of them
and you also had to buy their books and really expensive crystals and a few
other odds and ends.

[Houman]

Witchy1, my purpose is not religion bashing or Wicca bashing.
If it is a question of semantics I can call them whatever you want (high priestess, mother of darkness,...)

You know that all organized structures have esoteric and exoteric teachings... and what you are describing is at the anarchy level (without defined order)...

The people that I am referring to (call them whatever you want) are into sacrifice for power through demonization (invocation of and overshadowing by entities locked into another plane of existence (we live in computed realities))... this is not something new... the ancients were aware of the weaponization of the powers of the mind and used to demonize their warrior class...
they sacrifice both adults and children, baby girls are preferred, victims are tortured and raped as long as possible (for hours or days in some cases) to heighten fear and sexual emotions/energies and attract the most powerful entities...

This is going on everywhere, one "notable" place (visited by "notable" "people") is Hillside cemetery in Mountain City USA... (under the cemetery)...

Posted by witchy1 (here)

It is like saying that christians, jews, muslims or freemasons can only be good..

Witches follow the Rede: Eight words ye Wiccan Rede fulfill - An' it harm none, Do what ye will"

Witches come from all religions who understand and share this basic tenent. It is not an orgainised religion in the true sense of the word. There are no holy text, there are no leaders or commandments other than the rede and Rule of 3. Many Wiccans are solitary Witches.

The only reason the words satanic and witch are used in the same sentence is due to the history - originating in the Church which is why I provided the link, to assist in understanding why this happened and why it is perpetuated today?

Anton Szandor LaVey wrote a fantasy of seduction. He tried to promote a kind of feminism that was based on the perceived notions of Christianity where women and lust were considered to be evil. His clear agenda is about stereotyping women and their role in society, instead of discussing the art of witchcraft. It is a very shallow perception that he promoted because of his desire to objectify women. He has a controlling unheathly attitude about women. Given you have quoted his book I am sure you are aware of him describing himself as the current world leader of the Satanist Church http://www.churchofsatan.com/Pages/C...sHandbook.html
Perhaps not your best source of information on the topic of Witchcraft.

Why are the people at the top of the ladder warlocks and witches?
- Why do they sacrifice people?

They do not

This is not about organized religion or men vs women

No, this is about your comment and my attempt at an explanation why your comment concerning Witches are wrong. The history provides how some ill informed people remain with the opinion that there are dark witches. It is about men and women and religion isasmuch as it relates to your comment. Have you read the link?

Rather than hi-jack this thread, I will start a new one where we can discuss it in depth, but I leave you to ponder the following as a basic tenant of the craft.

"Wiccans believe that the spirit of the One, Goddess and God exist in all things. In the trees, rain, flowers, the sea, in each other and all of natures creatures. This means that we must treat 'all things' of the Earth as aspects of the divine."-- Wicca.com

There can be no Witch anywhere that sacrfices human life. They have another name, it is not Witchcraft.

[Snoweagle]

Gaia is our Mother
Sol is our Father
Humanity is our Spirit

We are God
(collectively, en masse, together, as a whole, etc . . . )

Once you experience an open pineal gland, an active kundalini, you too will know this to be true.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kundalini

An active kundalini transcends all man made religious or spiritual belief systems.

[greybeard]

Posted by truthseekerdan (here)

so God presents Himself as an ideal Man among men so that man can raise to realize God

Hope that you don't really believe that God is just a male...

it is extremly rare for men to realize God within without some help

What help are you talking about here?

TIA

God is neither Male or Female, the energy of Pure Love is as close as you can get as far as I can see.

Dan there is a long tradition of Enlightened masters in India. My Avatar Ramana for one.
They are a high spiritual energy field and when a person is ready by osmosis that energy field fully enlightens the student.
The high energy field is also to be found in their books.
Jesus did the same to/for the disciples, just different language.
Holy Spirit and Kundalin one and the same energy just different cultures

The God realized one is no longer a person.
Everything personal has been removed.

We could talk about it but unless you have read books by the likes of Nasargadatta, Ramana Ramesh or the Bhaghavad Gita the conversation would be meaningless.
Its like a foreign language.

You could say that when the person/student has done enough for himself, then, by Grace of God Enlightenment transforms the person in to a differnt state called enlightenment. The caterpillar becomes the butterfly, it is that different.
Yet the essence and potential is within all.

The enlightened sage lives in two world, the formless and the form.
In the timeless, omnipresent, non-duality,egoless, omnipotent, all knowing state.

That is why the Sage says, "It can not be spoken of only experienced," we do not have words to understand the state. I cant be languaged.
The teacher and the taught are the same. There is only consciouses at play.
The Ego wants to understand put it in a box.
It is beyond mind.
So the enlightened one has realised the presence of God within, the God presence can assist the student to realize that presence within.
A path is also shown, a process.
A student may be devoted to the God presence within the teacher, not the form of the teacher though that may be used as a door.
So as part of the process devotion and humility are an absolute requirement.

Now the whole process is speeding up so we may see Christ consciousness, call it what you will, happening for many within the next few years.

Hope this is helpful

Namaste

[greybeard]

Posted by Snoweagle (here)

We are God
(collectively, en masse, together, as a whole, etc . . . )

Once you experience an open pineal gland, an active kundalini, you too will know this to be true.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kundalini

An active kundalini transcends all man made religious or spiritual belief systems.

Yes I had no idea what Kundalin is and starange things happened to my spine and head then by sycronicity I enede up on the ashram of the late Dr Goels the Kundalini
enlightened guru.
A book by him
http://www.exoticindiaart.com/book/details/IDK142/

A number of descriptions exist that attempt to describe exactly what the kundalini experience is.

Sri Ramana Maharshi maintained that the kundalini energy is nothing but the natural energy of the Self, where Self is the universal consciousness (Paramatma) present in every being, and that the individual mind of thoughts cloaks this natural energy from unadulterated expression. Advaita teaches that Self-realization, enlightenment, God-consciousness, nirvana and kundalini awakening are all the same thing, and self-inquiry meditation is considered a very natural and simple means of reaching this goal.[8]

You dont have to get complex to find God within.

Ask Him in all humility in meditation and a teacher or book will arrive in your life to show yo a way right for you.
Namaste.

[bearcow]

Holy Spirit and Kundalin one and the same energy just different cultures

In my opinion they are not the same, christian terminology is not very precise, but as best as i can figure, The holy spirit is the same as atma.

[greybeard]

Posted by bearcow (here)

Holy Spirit and Kundalin one and the same energy just different cultures

In my opinion they are not the same, christian terminology is not very precise, but as best as i can figure, The holy spirit is the same as atma.

Yes terminology is imprecise but see the post above yours for Ramana quote but my splitting hairs non productive.
Its all amazing
Namaste

[RedeZra]

God Is as much within a speck of dust as within a human heart

still God Is not confined within anything and Is above everything


many get the point that God Is within but forget that God Is His own Being too


even if not one of us realizes God within

God Is still God

[greybeard]

The chair that you sit upon is of no less no more value than the human body.
That does wonders for your ego when you hear it first.

God is form, formless, both and neither.

Try and get the mind round that Laughing.

[RedeZra]

Posted by greybeard (here)
The chair that you sit upon is of no less no more value than the human body.
That does wonders for your ego when you hear it first.

God is form, formless, both and neither.

Try and get the mind round that Laughing.

hehe we are puffed up with pride with the fact that God Is also within us ; )

[greybeard]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by greybeard (here)
The chair that you sit upon is of no less no more value than the human body.
That does wonders for your ego when you hear it first.

God is form, formless, both and neither.

Try and get the mind round that Laughing.

hehe we are puffed up with pride with the fact that God Is also within us ; )

Hi RedeZra my friend

A good Scottish saying. (That will put your gas down to a peep)

We keep this up we will soon all be on the silent thread with our arm chairs.

What is there to say really?

Have a nice day

Namaste

[RedeZra]

Posted by greybeard (here)

Hi RedeZra my friend

A good Scottish saying. (That will put your gas down to a peep)

We keep this up we will soon all be on the silent thread with our arm chairs.

What is there to say really?

Have a nice day

Namaste

there is an ever so slightly tint of spring in the air

care for a Sunday stroll friend ; )

[truthseekerdan]

Below is a testimony of one of the best RV (remote viewer) in the world, on how he perceived and experienced what we call God.

"My remote-viewing experiences have also led me to understand God differently.
I no longer look to some distant Heaven to find my Father. I now understand the meaning of the words once told by a wise sage: "God is within".

I once had a remote-viewing experience where I perceived what I believe to be the essential beginning of the universe. There was a shape of light that somewhat resembled a spinning cloud or vortex. In the middle of the session, I questioned what to do next once I had perceived this enigma. I cued on the idea of a suggestion, inviting my subspace mind to offer a hint as to the meaning of this experience. The response was immediate. I sensed that I was to cue on God.

My conscious mind was confused by this suggestion, and probably as a consequence of this, the idea came to me that I should cue on someone who could explain this to me. I then cued on Jesus in the matrix. For reasons that I will explain, I have long considered him our older brother, in a literal sense. I suppose I intuitively felt that he would be sufficiently experienced and wise to know what to do in this situation. Instantly I sensed my awareness shift to include this being's flavor of consciousness, and I sensed him suggest to me that I should abandon fear and plunge into the vortex that I perceived. I did so.

The vortex was alive. There was the sense of a huge consciousness, and as I extended my mind across this consciousness, I felt stretched like the skin of a balloon, although not uncomfortably so. It then became clear to me that this being was terribly alone, and sad beyond measure. It had spent an eternity by itself, slowly evolving, until finally grew to a point at which it could end its pain.

Then, in one sudden burst, I experienced this being's solution. The being essentially blew itself up, or at least much of itself. As I followed the outward rush of the being's fragmenting expansion, I perceived that it experienced a new joy that nearly overwhelmed me. The being did not die.

At first the bits and pieces of the larger being were too small and immature to even be aware of themselves. Neither were they aware of their own origin. From this point began the most profound evolution of the original being. It had become a parent to the fragments of itself.

The fragmented parts began to experience existence in a way that seemed independent of the parent. Initially they did not understand that they were literally part of a single larger being. Yet as they continued to grow in experience, they matured and developed an intense need to know how they came to exist, and indeed, the reason for their existence. This led them eventually to seek and discover the reality of their parent, their loving Creator. It was at this moment of realization that they understood that they were their parent, and that their own growth and evolution was also the growth and evolution of their parent. The parent had created a way to look back at itself through a mirror of a multitude of individual consciousnesses."

Excerpt from the book "Cosmic Explorers" by Courtney Brown

[greybeard]

Hi Dan
God does not have human attributes like sad beyond measure.
The most ancient of Vedic records say that God is complete. The One without second, Pure Love Eternal unchanging.
The mind cant get it.
It has to do with energy.
The wanting to know God will lead from those who talk about it and on to those who are it.
Its a process
The ego prevents too much progress, so will divert on a spiritual merry go round which does have purpose it is preparing the soul for the highest Truth.
Unchangeable Eternal not negotiable.
Christ The Buddha Krishna that Truth, only difference was the culture.

The Vedic and Upanished Truth was given to humans long before Christ but it is exactly the same Truth.
God is LOVE.
The spiritual energy of one like Ramana Maharshi is far above and beyond that of an unrealized writer,
His spiritual awakening to full maturity in his early teens well worth studying.
Rendered into a state of bliss for years unable to speak in union with God.
Respectfully, an un realized writer can inform to the best of his ability but thats it.
No spiritual energy to speak of, nothing to really move you forward into the Divine embrace.

Time is getting short.

Yet simply all that is needed is the first two commandments.

Humility and a desire to serve God.

Namaste