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    https://www.infowars.com/posts/watch...icizing-hamas/

    This should delight all the Hamas supporters here.
    Go ahead and gloat.
    Ernie, I thank you for referring the url. I do not thank you for your comment.

    I remember reading posts written by you that were replete with wisdom and ethical discernment. I miss them.

    I have stated many times that I am no good at death. I've kept it at arms length for all these years.
    Now everywhere I turn death is staring me in the face. And the evil, I am having a very hard time coping.
    The frustration is at a very high level.
    I often have a good cry before bed these days - for myself, for my wife, for my cat, and for this world. And the panic attacks are getting worse. Sometimes I have to bolt out of the house, dressing up in the hallway on the way out...an undefined terror just grips me and I gotta run away!

    I can't get the images of the terror attack out of my head. I don't want it there, but what can I do?
    I want to lash out, grab the bad guy by the throat, write the very best article ever to persuade the world to turn back from the brink.
    Nothing will work.

    So, I pick a side to commiserate with. The side that gave me these images can rot in hell. Now the shoe's on the other foot. I almost can't be any more horrified by the ongoing bloodbath anymore.

    I liked the coverage of the war in Iraq better, we got the excitement without being exposed to the atrocities...
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    Quote Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
    Quote Posted by Michel Leclerc (here)
    Quote Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
    https://www.infowars.com/posts/watch...icizing-hamas/

    This should delight all the Hamas supporters here.
    Go ahead and gloat.
    Ernie, I thank you for referring the url. I do not thank you for your comment.

    I remember reading posts written by you that were replete with wisdom and ethical discernment. I miss them.

    I have stated many times that I am no good at death. I've kept it at arms length for all these years.
    Now everywhere I turn death is staring me in the face. And the evil, I am having a very hard time coping.
    The frustration is at a very high level.
    I often have a good cry before bed these days - for myself, for my wife, for my cat, and for this world. And the panic attacks are getting worse. Sometimes I have to bolt out of the house, dressing up in the hallway on the way out...an undefined terror just grips me and I gotta run away!

    I can't get the images of the terror attack out of my head. I don't want it there, but what can I do?
    I want to lash out, grab the bad guy by the throat, write the very best article ever to persuade the world to turn back from the brink.
    Nothing will work.

    So, I pick a side to commiserate with. The side that gave me these images can rot in hell. Now the shoe's on the other foot. I almost can't be any more horrified by the ongoing bloodbath anymore.

    I liked the coverage of the war in Iraq better, we got the excitement without being exposed to the atrocities...
    For the thousands of years, the human story has been peppered with severe acts of violence, wars of mass death and carnage, great catastrophes resulting massive deaths, etc. Nothing has changed much except with the technology now we can be anywhere on the planet and watch it all happen in real time.

    Hopefully you can get a grip on your anxiety and frustration, it's not a healthy way to live allowing these "feelings" to have so much control over your everyday living.

    I know it's not easy as I also have a deep concern about the current events and insanity and what may possibly happen as a result. It's a sickening feeling for sure.

    I usually take a nature walk with my camera gear and photograph and enjoy the beautiful things for a while. It's good therapy and a good way to recharge and center yourself.
    SilentFeathers

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    • "Not in Our Name": 400 Arrested at Jewish-Led Sit-in at NYC's Grand Central Demanding Gaza Ceasefire:

    We bring you the voices of Jewish Voice for Peace and their allies who shut down the main terminal of Grand Central Station during rush hour Friday in one of New York's largest acts of civil disobedience in 20 years to demand a ceasefire in Gaza. The multiracial, intergenerational movement says about 400 people were arrested, including rabbis, famous actors and elected officials from the New York State Assembly and Senate and the City Council.
    • "This Is Your Money": Palestinian Father Pleads with Americans to Stop Funding Israeli Assault on Gaza:

    As the overall death toll from Israel’s 27-day bombardment tops 9,000, we speak with Just Vision’s Fadi Abu Shammalah in Gaza about his family’s experiences on the ground as the besieged territory runs out of water, food and fuel. “We have only one thing: that we are being killed,” says Shammalah, who calls for Americans to “keep going” in demonstrations for Palestinian rights. “We are being killed by your taxes.”

    NERMEEN SHAIKH: We turn now to Gaza.

    PALESTINIAN CHILD: [screaming]

    NERMEEN SHAIKH: A Palestinian child screams out, “We did nothing wrong! We did nothing wrong!” as Israel bombs the Jabaliya refugee camp for a third day in a row, this time hitting a school run UNRWA, the U.N. agency for Palestinian refugees. At least 195 Palestinians have been killed in Gaza’s largest refugee camp in a series of devastating Israeli airstrikes in recent days. The U.N. Human Rights Office said in a statement, quote, “we have serious concerns that these are disproportionate attacks that could amount to war crimes.”

    The overall death toll from Israel’s 27-day bombardment has topped 9,000, including 3,700 children. UNICEF is warning children are paying the heaviest price in Gaza.

    AMY GOODMAN: We go now to Khan Younis, where we’re joined by Fadi Abu Shammalah. He is Just Vision’s outreach associate in Gaza and the executive director of Gaza’s General Union of Cultural Centers. His recent op-ed for The New York Times is headlined “What More Must the Children of Gaza Suffer?”

    Fadi, if you can talk to us about the last few weeks through the eyes of your three children — Ali, 13; Karam, 10; and Adam, 5?

    FADI ABU SHAMMALAH: Thank you so much, Amy and Nermeen, for having me in this interview in a very critical situation.

    I start from, from the heavy airstrike and the shelling over all of Gaza Strip every single minute that we have been bombed. The numbers talked about, 10,000 rockets have been launched over Gaza Strip. More than 12,000 of civilian people have been killed. Hundreds of people, civilian people, are still under rubbles, and [inaudible] are not able to rescue them and pull them out from under the rubbles.

    Or should I talk about the entire neighborhoods that’s flattened, the road that is cut off, the water, the severe shortage of water, the severe shortage of food, fuel? We don’t have electricity for more than 20 days now or more. I don’t know, to talk about the UNRWA shelters, that it has around more than half-million of displaced people.

    Israel asked us to evacuate the Gaza City and the north, because in there — and they killed, they assassinated, they targeted the convoy of cars while they were traveling and evacuating to the south of Gaza Strip. Should I talk about the live video that’s recorded by and broadcasted by a journalist, Palestinian local journalist? His name is Hassan Saifi. He filmed and recorded a video while the tank launched and bombed a civilian car while they were evacuating to the south.

    What should I talk about? That we don’t have bread? That we don’t have water? We don’t have fuel. Nothing. We have only one thing: that we are being killed. There is — and, of course, with a green light with the international community, with the U.S. administration. This is the situation. People are scared. From what? For being killed. Really, we are having now a second Nakba, if you know it. The first one happened in 1948. We feel that it’s another Nakba that we are going through, to go through it.

    The most horrible thing for us, that’s the officials. The Israeli officials say that we are human animals. Human animals? Animal humans? I don’t remember exactly. Like, we are treated like animals. You know what happen to animals? They’re slaughtered. So, we are slaughtered now by the Israeli genocide government. This is what’s happening now. Like, they now [inaudible]. This is what is going on here, a genocide. A real genocide and massacre is happening now. Like, in previous wars, we used to have like 10 persons of a family is killed. Now the whole building, the entire neighborhoods is bombed, flattened. It’s happening in Jabaliya for three days, in Nuseirat, in Khan Younis city, in every single mid-Gaza Strip cities. This is what is happening here now.

    I’m a father of three kids, as you have mentioned. They think that I’m a hero. I’m not. I’m scared exactly like them. I’m scared of the bombing. I’m scared of not having water. We were lucky that we had yesterday, before yesterday, drinking water. We have been without drinking water for around a day. Like, we don’t have electricity here. Like, we are also lucky that we have two solar panels at the roof of my family. I’m evacuated, by the way. I’m originally living in Gaza City, but I’m already evacuated to my parents. So I’m so lucky that my parents’ home — are living in Khan Younis refugees camp.

    NERMEEN SHAIKH: Fadi —

    FADI ABU SHAMMALAH: I can’t imagine that there’s millions — millions — [inaudible] evacuated their homes. Yeah.

    NERMEEN SHAIKH: Fadi, you’re speaking now — as you said, the international community, led by the United States, has been supporting Israel absolutely in its operation in Gaza. If you could say, what is your message to Americans as Gaza is under this systemic — systematic military assault that is ongoing? And you’re describing the devastating conditions under which you and all these children, your own, of course, three children — but we’ve just said 3,700 children have been killed in Gaza. What is your message to Americans?

    FADI ABU SHAMMALAH: I would say that I’m so, so, so proud of the hundred thousands of Americans who went to demonstrate for us. We are here in Gaza Strip. Believe us, we are following the news, and we feel, like, more comfortable when we’re watching in TVs, like, thousands and hundreds of thousands of American peoples who went to the streets in order to support us, to express the sympathy and in solidarity with the Palestinian people here in Gaza Strip. That makes us more relaxed and comfortable that we are not alone, that there is a lot of people who they still have a live heart. That’s my message to you: Please keep going. We are listening to you. We are following you. I’m sure that no one can stop our voice, our voices for justice. Please keep doing what you’re doing now, because at the end, I’m sure that the U.S. administration will listen to you and stop, or at least [inaudible] the green light that it’s giving to the Israeli government of killing us.

    But, please, this is your money. This is the taxes money that you are paying to the American administration. It’s used by buying bombs and rockets and providing it to [inaudible] government. We are being killed by your taxes now. Please say no to your administration, that’s [inaudible] this unlimited, unlimited and ongoing support. The Israeli occupation are checking the humanitarian aid that’s entered Gaza Strip. It’s milk for kids. It’s a medicine. It’s white flour for making bread. So, can you at least make double check this support by the American administration, where it goes, what it’s used for? It would be like our main priority for you guys in the U.S.

    I will say it again, and I have mentioned it before, that I was in the U.S. in March, and I met tens of Americans, of people. I was so lucky that I have met them in March. I saw these people who have live hearts, who still have conscience, and they believe in justice. We are depending on these kind of people, who can stay the truth, and they can tell the truth, and they have the courages, and they are brave enough to say to their administration, that “Stop of standing with the massacre’s implementers, with the occupation.”

    It’s not about Gaza. It’s not a war between Israel and Hamas anymore. It’s a war between the Israelis, in the most strong forces in the Middle East, against a civilian people. Like, look at West Bank. They don’t have Hamas there. How many one is killed since October 10 — 7? Sorry.

    As Palestinians, we are off of the double standards by the international community. And I’m talking about the politicians, about the governments, not the people, because we also followed the great demonstration in the street in the European Union, also hundreds of thousands of people. Also in London, like half-million of British people were in the streets.

    Come on, people all over the world know the truth. You can’t hide it. It happened in the past that a lot of media were hiding the truth. But now we have social media. We have Zoom. We have WhatsApp. We have a lot of applications that people in Gaza Strip and in Palestine that can use, and that we can keep telling the truth for what is going on now here in Gaza Strip. No one will stop us. We have a lot of English speakers. We will keep telling the truth loudly. We will not stop. We will keep speaking up, until the international community will respect our willing and self-determination and, of course, stop the horrific genocide that is happening now.

    The numbers, again, the numbers of the killed people, it’s not the truth. Yeah, that’s right. It’s not the real number, of course, because we have a lot of missed people. We have a lot of killed people who are still under rubble, the rubbles. Another horrific number, by the way, it didn’t happen before, that the number of the injured people is double of the killed people. It’s horrible. Like, the bombing, they meant to kill the people while they are bombing the civilian peoples here. You can see. Of course, millions and billions of people over the TVs, they can watch. They can judge what is going on here. You can see. Like, come on! It’s entire neighborhoods. Entire neighborhoods, they bombed it. Like, it’s crazy. And, of course, if Israel has no one to tell them that they have to stop, they will keep killing us.

    NERMEEN SHAIKH: And, Fadi, I want to ask —

    FADI ABU SHAMMALAH: They only — yes.

    NERMEEN SHAIKH: I want to ask, Fadi, you — I mean, these attacks are taking place in response to the Hamas attack on October 7th. Obviously, as you’ve said, it’s a genocide that’s taking place. But I want to ask you about the response that Israel has had to nonviolent resistance by Palestinians. You wrote in 2018 a piece called “Why I March in Gaza.” Explain what the response was of Israel to this nonviolent resistance, the Great March of Return.

    FADI ABU SHAMMALAH: Oh, that’s [inaudible], by the way. In fact, the Israeli provision is very [inaudible] in killing the Palestinians, even if they are struggling with nonviolence, even if they are staying at their homes, even if they are in West Bank. For example, they kept invading and invading the West Bank cities and towns, and they killed a lot of Palestinians there. And there is — by the way, like couple of months ago or few months ago, there is American old man. He had been detained under hard circumstances until he died. I mean, what this 67-years-old, that man, has done for the Israeli occupation?

    Even when Palestinian — and, by the way, the nonviolent struggle, it didn’t happen and started in the 2018 in what we have named and called the Great March. The Palestinians were creative in starting the anniversary [inaudible] in the 1987, when the First Intifada happened, started. What happened there? Even so, the Israeli occupation were killing us, arresting us, shooting at us, demolishing homes. This is the policy of the — an apartheid country. That’s the — I’m so surprised sometimes when someone — as I watch an interview that’s like it’s defending on the Israeli occupation.

    Like, we did it in 2018. We were marching. I was there. I participated there, and I was one of the witnesses of the Great Return March. What happened? Snipers. They were, like, [inaudible], if he will shoot the knee of the kids. I know many kids that they have been — their legs were amputated by the snipers. They killed more than 350 in this nonviolent resistance, and also what happened by the U.S. administration at that time. I mean, this [inaudible] eliminate, or I would love, of course, to be stopped. So, whenever and whatever the Palestinians will do, we will — I mean, Israel will keep killing us. It started before 1948, and it will keep going until they have the support from the European, with the U.S. administrations. They will keep killing us, until one day the entire world will believe, like, [inaudible] —

    AMY GOODMAN: Fadi Abu Shammalah, we want to thank you so much for being with us. Fadi is Just Vision’s outreach associate in Gaza, executive director of Gaza’s General Union of Cultural Centers, speaking to us from Khan Younis, which has also been bombed repeatedly. We’ll link to your New York Times piece, “What More Must the Children of Gaza Suffer?”


    --o-O-o--


    SINCERE QUESTION:

    When it is 100% proven that ISRAEL commited War Crimes have they EVER been brought to justice via UN or other means? Ever?
    The UN also said that Israel may be committing the war crime of collective punishment through its siege of the Gaza territory. The International Committee of the Red Cross agreed.

    “The instructions issued by the Israeli authorities for the population of Gaza City to immediately leave their homes, coupled with the complete siege, explicitly denying them food, water and electricity are not compatible with international humanitarian law,” it said.

    Amnesty International said it has “documented unlawful Israeli attacks, including indiscriminate attacks, which caused mass civilian casualties and must be investigated as war crimes”.

    Human Rights Watch said that “multiple war crimes have been and continue to be committed in Israel and Palestine, with grave concerns that Israeli forces and Palestinian armed groups are carrying out unlawful indiscriminate attacks harming civilians”.

    The Palestinian health ministry in Gaza, which is run by Hamas, said more than 8,000 people have been killed in the Israeli assault, including more than 3,000 children.
    Some groups have gone further and accused Israel of genocide, although lawyers said that is a harder crime to prove under international law.
    • Who would prosecute?
    The international criminal court (ICC) in The Hague, the permanent court with jurisdiction over war crimes and other crimes against humanity such as genocide, steps in when local jurisdictions fail to prosecute.

    The ICC recognised Palestine as a member in 2015. The Palestinians then asked the court to investigate Israel’s assault on Gaza the previous year, and the continued construction of Israeli settlements in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem.
    The Palestinians have argued that the presence of about 750,000 settlers is in breach of a Geneva conventions requirement that “the occupying power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies”.

    Israeli legal and human rights groups also said that Israel is committing the “crime of apartheid” in the occupied territories in breach of international laws specifically barring the practice.

    Israel has said it is not subject to the ICC’s authority because it did not sign the Rome statute that established the court and came into force in 2002. The US has backed this position, saying that it “firmly opposes” any investigation on the grounds that “Israel is not a party to the ICC” and that “the Palestinians do not qualify as a sovereign state”.
    In response, Fatou Bensouda, then the ICC’s prosecutor, asked the court’s chamber of judges to rule on the issue. The chamber decided that the ICC does have jurisdiction in the West Bank, Gaza and occupied East Jerusalem.

    Bensouda then launched a formal investigation after conducting a “painstaking preliminary examination” lasting five years.

    “I am satisfied that war crimes have been or are being committed in the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip,” she said.

    But after Bensouda left office in June 2021, the ICC went quiet on the investigation.
    • What is the international criminal court’s stance now?
    Karim Khan, the British barrister who is the current ICC prosecutor, visited Gaza’s Rafah border crossing with Egypt on Sunday and said “we have active investigations ongoing in relation to the crimes allegedly committed in Israel on the 7 of October and also in relation to Gaza and the West Bank in our jurisdiction going back to 2014”.
    Khan invoked the image of “the terrible gas chambers and the Holocaust, the razing of cities” to argue that governments need to stand behind the international legal architecture that was “built on the rubble of the second world war”.

    Khan specifically warned that “there should not be any impediment to humanitarian relief supplies going to children, to women and men – civilians”.

    “These rights are part of the Geneva conventions, and they give rise to even criminal responsibility when these rights are curtailed under the Rome statute,” he said.

    Khan said the ICC would pursue its investigations with “determination” in the face of Israel’s refusal to cooperate with the court and its block on ICC investigators travelling to the country or the occupied territories.

    Khan said he would also investigate “current events in the West Bank”, adding that he was “very concerned also by the spike of the number of reported incidents of attack by settlers against Palestinian civilians”.
    • Are other countries backing the court’s prosecutor?
    Only three countries have formally called for the ICC to become involved: South Africa, Switzerland and Liechtenstein. Micheál Martin, Ireland’s deputy prime minister and foreign minister, said in a radio interview that it was for the ICC to determine if war crimes are being committed.

    Human Rights Watch noted that the silence from other countries is in contrast to the wide demands from European governments for the ICC to investigate Russian war crimes in Ukraine.
    • Does Israel appear worried by talk of an investigation?
    Yes, very. When the ICC launched its full investigation in 2021, the prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, said Israel was “under attack”.

    “The ICC, which was established to prevent a repeat of the horrors the Nazis instigated again the Jewish people, now turns against the state of the Jewish people,” he said. “I promise you we will fight for the truth until we will annul this scandalous decision.”
    Israel is worried that its military officials and politicians could be detained under international arrest warrants if they travel abroad and face trial at The Hague.
    Israel has typically relied on the US’s protection in international bodies, such as vetoing resolutions at the UN security council. But Washington’s influence over the ICC is limited by the fact that the US has itself refused to sign the Rome statute.
    In 2020, President Trump revoked Bensouda’s US visa and imposed financial sanctions on her and another senior prosecutor because of the ICC’s Israel-Palestine investigation and a separate investigation into the US’s actions in Afghanistan.
    In response, 67 countries, including close US allies such as the UK, France and Germany, made a statement expressing “unwavering support for the court as an independent and impartial judicial institution”.

    Joe Biden has been more cooperative with the ICC, ordering the US to share evidence of Russian war crimes in Ukraine with its investigators. But his administration steadfastly opposes the Israel-Palestine probe.

    Even if the ICC were to prosecute Israeli officials, it relies on foreign governments to enforce warrants and arrest the accused. Member countries may well feel obliged to cooperate given the continued support for the court, particularly because of Russia’s crimes in Ukraine.
    • What about the Palestinians?
    Although Hamas’s cross-border attack from Gaza on 7 October was in Israel, it still falls within the ICC’s jurisdiction because the Palestinian armed group operates from within the area under the court’s purview.

    But questions remain about the legal status of non-state groups such as Hamas, which is a proscribed terrorist organisation in many countries. After 9/11, the George W Bush administration claimed that al-Qaida and the Taliban were “illegal combatants” and therefore not protected by the Geneva conventions, opening the way for captives to be tortured by the CIA and US military. The US supreme court overturned that

    interpretation of international law in 2006 and said the Geneva conventions did apply.
    Some international legal scholars have said that as Hamas is the de facto governing authority in Gaza, and Palestine has ratified the Geneva conventions, it is bound by their requirements but also protected by them.

    The West Bank is partly governed by the Palestinian Authority. Its foreign minister, Riyad al-Maliki met Khan in The Hague last week and effectively endorsed any ICC investigation.

    This article was amended on 31 October 2023 to clarify a reference to the number of “noncombatants” that the UN has said were killed by Hamas in Israel.


    UNANSWERED QUESTION:

    When it is 100% proven that ISRAEL commited War Crimes have they EVER been brought to justice via UN or other means? Ever?
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    Quote Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
    So, I pick a side to commiserate with. The side that gave me these images can rot in hell. Now the shoe's on the other foot. I almost can't be any more horrified by the ongoing bloodbath anymore.
    .
    I feel your hurt Ernie, because I have it too. I am a person with a highly sensitive nature. That doesn't mean fragile, it just means I feel deeply, on a profound spiritual level. War, cruelty, oppression, violence, corruption, immorality, absurdity -- all these things we witness, and almost every day, are like a knell jarring against my soul. The only defence I have really is to stay out of their way. I do not live in ignorance, I'm well aware of what's going on, I just do not immerse myself in what's going on, and so avoid the worst of this energy.

    Covid for example. I stayed well out of that madness (on Avalon and real-life). But I saw many around me crumble under the weight of fear, panic, depression. Me, I just got on with life -- not out of ignorance, certainly not indifference, but I chose not to experience it. The hype and hysteria I mean. To stay dry in the storm you wear a heavy coat. It's a defence mechanism. There are many people incarnated in this world at this time that just have a different type of energy/consciousness, whatever you want to call it, and who find it so very hard to subsist in the dense, crude frequencies of this planet earth.

    So many horrors, so much madness. It's enough to be aware of these realities without dwelling in them. For to dwell in the negativity is to fall right into it, to be jostled this way and that by the maelstrom. I've circled the brink a few times with one thing or another over the years, and that was quite enough. To stay sane, and stay whole, I keep my distance. It's the only way I can cope with it.

    I keep abreast of what's going on in Israel/Palestine, but I have not and will not pick a side. What use? I don't see IDF versus Hamas here, or Jews versus Muslims, I see only dark versus light. Darkness exists on and in both sides, and it's trying to crush out the light that exists on and in both sides.

    The entire struggle world-wide is darkness railing against the light. This darkness I feel is like a humongous parasitical something sucking at the soul of humanity. I can't do a single practical thing to change that by myself. Gaping at the horrors on Twitter on Instagram certainly won't help those who are suffering. Understand, these wars have multiple fronts. The people on the ground are not the only ones in the firing line -- those watching from the curb, i.e. us: we are also under attack. By horrifying us with these images they're sapping our energy, our spirits. That is by design. You can choose to opt out. Knowing what's going on is enough.
    "When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace."
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    ...

    ... a very animated Scott Ritter summarizing the current situation:

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    Friend of the show and former UN Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter returns to discuss the ongoing developments in the Israel-Palestine conflict as well as the deteriorating situation for Ukraine as Zelensky becomes an afterthought.

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    Quote Posted by Miller (here)
    Live feed of Al Jazeera, where Hassan Nasrallah, Secretary-general of Hezbollah is speaking right now
    The briefest summary, having listened to it all. A fiery speech, lasting over an hour, in which he stressed that all options remained open, and that what would happen next would all depend on ongoing developments in Gaza — but he did NOT call for an all-out war.

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    Quote Posted by Miller (here)
    Live feed of Al Jazeera, where Hassan Nasrallah, Secretary-general of Hezbollah is speaking right now
    The briefest summary, having listened to it all. A fiery speech, lasting over an hour, in which he stressed that all options remained open, and that what would happen next would all depend on ongoing developments in Gaza — but he did NOT call for an all-out war.
    I thought the crowd were baying for blood. I dont think this is going to end well.
    It will be interesting to see what the Anglo-Saxon response will be.

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    I am going to say it.

    This is not only a war against Israel, this is the ongoing attack on the white races of the world.

    The EU is finished. America is not far behind. The Commonwealth is importing every race but white.

    All through the western world, the white race is being vilified and propagandized. Our replacements are pouring into our countries. We built this western world and now we will willingly or otherwise hand it over to our replacements without a fight.

    To be more specific, Muslim nationals are being used as pawns by the international deep state and the UN to foster a radical change of the western world through the dehumanizing of the white races. This is evident by the White House response to antisemitism being the push for Islamophobia laws. The exact opposite of the needed response - as if to fuel more resentment and hate towards the Jews, and by extension the white races.

    The globalists want us at each other's throats and I do not see how else this all can play out but by domestic violence like never before seen in the western world.
    Most western countries have allowed so many anti-white illegal immigrants that those countries are already incapable of a concerted response.
    Canada is lost. Australia is gone. In the UK they call London, Londanistan now. Germany, France, Italy - all finished.

    War is coming. An ideological war, that will pit Christians against all comers in the not too distant future...

    It is war we can't win.

    We have lost the ideological high ground.
    Welcome to the new normal and the dawning of Islam as the One World's religion.
    Mahamed will prevail. Yes, but only until the Christians are defeated. Then Islam will be targeted.

    Out of it all will come the new religion for the world. A pablum pap fed to the masses. A watered down, lip serviced, iconoclastic bastardization and amalgamation of easy talking points fostering a luke warm verve all can wear like a badge. Meaningless and without succor.


    This religion will serve the evil one, the bringer of the false dawn.
    We truly are on the highway to hell.
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    Ernie, this is so not right, we are being duped certainly, by the fake media, but look beyond it. All is never lost, twiddling with immigration won’t work, to dissolve our nation states…., but for centuries back look what’s happened, we evolve, progress, embrace new cultures and develop positively, so think on it that way.
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    Historically it has been the African American population that has been the leading group marching in protest here in the states. I've always admired that about this group of Americans,then the Vietnam protests, then the tea party group had a surge and now the protests about the violence in the middle east, and not just in 1 city here in the states. All in the name of equality or peace. For all the death and destruction , there is the opposite happening and that is the awareness that we as human beings have had quite enough of the war machines on this planet. And this movement is growing worldwide.Lets hope the insanity finds sanity. Its 2023 and there is so much to look forward to in the future, just not at the present moment but I am hopeful.

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    https://johnhelmer.net/when-the-devi...dcast-answers/

    In the war at this stage, the Israeli-American force for genocidal killing and displacement of the Palestinians of Gaza appears to be winning. Not on the ground so much as in the consent of their western allies to supply the logistics, pay the bills, and endorse the morality of the crimes.
    By the time William Shakespeare picked up the idea that force can compel consent, the maxim he made popular had already been expressed in English for two hundred years. In All’s Well That Ends Well, he has the Countess ask her clown why he wants to marry. He replies: “My poor body, madam, requires it: I am driven on by the flesh; and he must needs go that the devil drives.” Usually left out of this famous exchange is that the jester explained he had “other holy reasons”. The Countess liked hearing them even less, so she sent him off stage.
    In the Gaza operations so far, and in the ideology which Israeli officials and journalists are repeating to the western media, the devil aims to drive every Palestinian, the born and the as yet unborn, to death. In such a war the first need for Hamas and the Arabs is to survive in order to keep fighting. Nothing is more sure than the “holy reasons” Shakespeare put into the mouth of Lavatch the Clown, that surviving to fight the long war will defeat this devil’s needs in the end.
    In practical politics, Israel and the US either win their genocidal war swiftly now, or else they will lose the long war. Russian military sources are reporting the US is resupplying the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) at a rate of two US Air Force (USAF) transports every hour, moving from the continental US through bases in the UK, Germany, Italy, Greece, and Cyprus. US sources have acknowledged the logistical effort is too great to continue for long. Right now the US Navy and USAF cannot continue delivering on the promised resupply of the Ukrainian forces in their war against Russia, while at US bases in Syria and Iraq the Pentagon is privately evacuating troops while publicly striking at their Arab attackers.
    The Arab, Iranian, and Russian media are reporting that in response, Hamas and Hezbollah are maintaining a frequent rate of fire against IDF and Israeli territorial targets. They are not yet attacking Israel’s offshore gas production platforms, which provide most of the fuel for the country’s electricity generating plants. They are not yet disabling Israel’s ports and airfields. The Russian military assessment is that for the time being the Hamas and Hezbollah capacity remains intact and in reserve. The Arab side is exercising restraint.
    What then are the needs which must now be addressed by the allies of the Palestinians, the Arab states, Iran, and then Russia?
    On Sunday, Russia officially called this war “the American project”. This followed the United Nations General Assembly (UNGA) vote last Friday, October 27, when the US and Israel led a tiny minority in favour of their short war, including a half-dozen island states sinking slowly into the Pacific Ocean.
    A Moscow source confirms the US is the priority Russian target because the IDF cannot continue in Gaza as the US capabilities exhaust themselves. He believes that US over-exertion in the Middle East will accelerate the Russian military’s move on to the offensive on the Ukrainian battlefield, and shorten thereby that war. The public statements for mediation between the warring parties issued by Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and his ministry are not the full Russian story, the source believes. The first need in Lavrov’s mediation, he says, is between the General Staff and the Kremlin. The second priority is to let the Americans demonstrate their weakness across the region by conserving the Palestinians in place, deterring Egyptian and Jordanian concessions, and preventing a direct attack on Iran. “The real Russian position , not the public statements , ultimately comes down to what level of military cooperation the Ministry of Defense has with Teheran. The Syrian and Ukrainian wars have made this very deep. I expect the Foreign Ministry’s public line will change when the Palestinian casualties reach 20,000. As the official Israeli statements against the Russian government already make clear, they know what is going on behind the scenes. It’s not just the Caucasian Muslims now but most Russians feel there’s been enough crying support for Israel. Lavrov will catch up.”
    “I would say the real work now in Moscow is on ensuring the Americans do not directly attack Iran. The rest is going to play out according to the General Staff’s road map Lavrov could and should have in front of him. Call it the long war for short.”

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    https://johnhelmer.net/jewish-anti-s...er-7-still-is/

    The Semites, the Semitic peoples, and speakers of the Semitic languages started as a figment of the German imagination in the late 18th century and early 19th century.
    It quickly became a German racial epithet, used in contrast to Aryan. By the time Adolf Hitler came along, this was the pseudo-scientific doctrine in which the Germans lumped both the Jews and the Arabs into a single category – the inferiors of the Aryans.
    That is one of the reasons Hitler refused to listen to the advice of his general staff on aiding the Arab nationalist forces in Iraq, Syria and Palestine in the Wehrmacht’s war plans against the British and the Soviet Union. The pseudo-science of Semitism and Aryanism, and the idea of anti-Semitism which the Germans, together with the British and Americans, adopted in the run-up to World War II was spelled out at Harvard University by an anthropologist called Carleton Coon; he cribbed directly from German academics, turning out papers on the Berbers of Morocco and advancing his racial superiority-inferiority ideas between 1925 and 1939. When the war began, Coon joined the Office of Strategic Services (OSS) where he demonstrated his keenness for pistol shooting, hare-brained sabotage missions, and homicidal mania. Among his wartime schemes he proposed to remove the Arabs of the Maghreb (Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia) as unfit to rule; replace them with the restoration of the French empire; and kill those French officials whom Coon judged to get his way. He was one of the planners of the assassination of Admiral Francois Darlan, the French military commander, in Algiers on December 24, 1942; Coon’s pistol was the murder weapon.**
    American murderers of the Arabs like Coon then — like Israeli murderers of Arabs now — have succeeded in establishing their doctrine of exceptionalism and racial superiority in state policy as the successor to the doctrines of Aryanism and Nazism which were interrupted by Hitler’s suicide in 1945, then the Nuremberg trials concluding in 1946. The crime of racial and cultural genocide became international law in 1948. It was then modified by the new Israeli state doctrine of anti-Semitism: this decriminalised the genocide of the Palestinian people; and outlawed instead media criticism, political opposition, even science for threatening the legitimacy of Israel’s Basic Law of Arab exclusion, and Israeli military operations to enforce it.
    In the present war between the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) and Hamas on the Gaza battlefield – “the American project”, as the Russian Foreign Ministry called it in a statement on October 29 *** – the doctrine of anti-Semitism as a race hatred crime is being applied to protect the race hatred crime being perpetrated against the other Semites, the Palestinians.
    This doctrine, however, has had a negative impact on the ability of the Israelis and the Americans to wage their war. A fresh Russian analysis of the military intelligence failures exposed by Hamas in its offensive of October 7, illustrates how and why the Israelis failed to anticipate because they underestimated their Arab adversary; and because they regarded him as a racial inferior.
    This assessment appeared on October 29 in the Telegram channel of a Russian analyst named Alexander Hoffmann, a senior member of the Russian Presidential Academy of National Economy and Public Administration (RANEPA). Hoffmann sets out in brief the causes of the Israeli intelligence and military failures preceding the start of the Hamas operation Al-Aqsa Flood on October 7.

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    BREAKING: In these moments the Zionist entity is performing airstrikes in the immediate vicinity of Al-Quds hospital, the Indonesian hospital, and Al-Shifa hospital.

    'Israel' is trying to kill as many Palestinian civilians - taking refuge in and concentrated around hospitals - as possible.

    🇵🇸 'Israel' is on a genocidal rampage in Gaza as it steps up its attacks on hospitals and civilians.

    The majority of the injured Palestinians from northern Gaza are being treated at the Indonesian hospital in northern Gaza, which is the main hospital that services the north of the strip.

    The Indonesian hospital is now running on generators and fuel is critically low, as 'Israel' has just struck the vicinity of the hospital.

    The situation in Al-Shifa hospital is critical. Dead bodies are in all corners of the hospital and 'Israel' has just performed a massacre at the gates.

    Doctors at Al-Shifa are having to perform surgeries and amputations on the floor and using no anaesthetic.

    Very limited aid has reached Al-Shifa hospital but no aid is reaching the north of Gaza to the Indonesian hospital which is on the verge of operational collapse.

    'Israel' has committed a massacre of civilians fleeing to the south on Al Rashid street - Gaza's coastal road.

    The Zionist entity is targeting any and all civilian vehicles that are moving through Gaza; it is not even safe for civilians to evacuate.

    Cultures_of_Resistance

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    • U.S. General ADMITS Israel Is Starving Out Gaza – On CNN!:

    During a recent segment on CNN, Retired Brigadier General Steven Anderson admitted to the hosts that Israel was committing — and poised to commit more — war crimes, stating that “This IS a war.” Meanwhile, former CNN anchor Marc Lamont Hill, now with Al Jazeera, confronted a former Israeli Foreign Minister with indisputable evidence that Israel was engaging in collective punishment of Palestinians in Gaza, also a war crime.

    Guest host Craig Jardula and Kurt Metzger talk to independent journalist and filmmaker Dan Cohen about these startling admissions.
    • When it is 100% proven that ISRAEL committed War Crimes have they EVER been brought to justice via UN or other means? Ever?
    No need to follow anyone, only consider broadening (y)our horizon of possibilities ...

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    The US #House of Representatives passed a #Republican plan to give $14.3 billion in aid to "Israel", further aiding the Israeli genocide in the #Gaza Strip.

    The measure passed 226 to 196, which is considered a shift from typical strongly bipartisan congressional support for providing aid to "Israel".

    The bill’s introduction was the first major legislative action under the new Republican House speaker, Mike Johnson. US President Joe #Biden has threatened a veto, and Chuck Schumer, the majority leader of the #Democrat-controlled Senate, said he would not bring it up for a vote.

    This comes after Biden has asked Congress to approve a broader $106bn emergency spending package, including funding for the Israeli occupation, Taiwan, and Ukraine, as well as humanitarian aid.

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    If war crimes are leveled at Israel, that would be the most ludicrous judgement ever.

    War crimes?
    War is a crime.

    The crime here is provocation. While only the Muslims use terror and beheadings as leverage, it is the 'crimes' of Israel at war that is the atrocity.


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    Default Re: Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War

    Quote Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
    If war crimes are leveled at Israel, that would be the most ludicrous judgement ever.
    Disagree.

    Israel has committed 'War Crimes' for decades against the Palestinian people!

    Quote Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
    War crimes?
    War is a crime.
    Agree.

    War is created by those who do not care about 'life' .... and Israel has a vast history of "Not caring about life"!

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    The crime here is provocation.
    Agree .... But the 'Provocation' is from Israel.
    The most secure border in the world (which even a mouse cannot escape detection) was breached and then for 7 hours the 3rd most competent military force (their own words) could not respond!

    Lets get a tad 'real' about the 7th!

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    While only the Muslims use terror and beheadings as leverage, it is the 'crimes' of Israel at war that is the atrocity.
    What!

    Every 1st world government uses "terror" as a form of control of their own people .... and the main stream media promotes VAST amounts of lies (which I guess you have taken to heart).

    Israel HAS committed a VAST amount of crimes since 1947 .... but you don't care about that!

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