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    Default Re: Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War

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    Indeed it is very dangerous to stand up against the Zionists. Just ask Brendon O'Connell. Originally from Perth, Western Australia he had to flee to Iran for political asylum after being made an example of by the freemasonic elite and sayanim within Western Australia and having had his friend and sister die under mysterious circumstances. His main focus of research is Israel stealing high technology from the US and selling it on to their enemies.

    A good overview of his story is here:

    MY INTERVIEW WITH LEBANESE TV - ISRAEL & CYBER PANDEMIC FEB 2020
    https://rumble.com/v3lmfea-my-interv...-feb-2020.html

    His UN refugee application is one hell of a read:

    UN Refugee Application | Brendon Lee O'Connell - 100MB PDF file
    https://odysee.com/FInal_UNHCR-Appli...11_2019_High:5
    That's a very thoughtful post - thanks for sharing it

    Just as a footnote, the Odysee link is helpful but can't be downloaded, however his full 1018 page submission is downloadable from here:

    https://ia903205.us.archive.org/34/i..._2019_High.pdf
    Thank you Tintin. When composing my post I was actually pondering to use the Internet Archive link instead of Odysee but choose Odysee due to familiarity since I watch videos on there. The file actually can be download on Odysee but strangely downloads as an MP4 file (one must change the file type identifier to PDF to open it) and often fails mid-download.

    The Internet Archive link you have posted is much better.



    Quote Posted by Rizotto (here)
    I've been having many similar thoughts over the past week. It is with disbelief to see Jordan Peterson's siding with Isreal, same for RFK Jr., and even Tulsi Gabbard. I'm really shocked to see so many Christian Zionists in my locality, those I thought were my colleagues in the fight for freedom, but now are cheering on Isreal's crimes against Palestinians, and looking forward to the 'end times'.


    Indeed. But I am glad that many commentators are realising this and calling the fake truthers out. Since when did truthers cheer for war, revenge and bloodshed? David Icke's latest video (which I have not yet watched) is about this very issue:

    Here And No Further - The 'Alternative' Media Hijack - David Icke Dot-Connector Videocast
    https://banned.video/watch?id=65451063a1e9dc64ae079e2f

    In regards to the Christian Zionists
    My pleasure It's good to see you active here again

    It's a 'me' thing this, and in no way meant as a negative criticism of anyone who uses this terminology: Christian Zionist - it's an oxymoronic phrase, a conflation. (Same with antisemitic and variations thereof)

    What I post below is in no way at all being delivered in a condescending way but there are very clear distinctions. Most of us here know this already, but it's worth restating - a refresher for anyone who has become - understandably - confused, and has obviously been deliberately misled, over time:
    1. Semitic = relates to language only, in its strictest sense, but can also be used to mean 'listening'. This is never to do with or ever really has been to do with ethnicity or nationalist identity.

    2. Zionist = an adherent of a political ideology which is essentially anti-human, and deeply and repugnantly racist. UN resolution 3379 from 1975 states:
    "..determines that zionism is a form of racism and racial discrimination."
    - see embedded PDF below, page 84

    (Note: interestingly the UN revoked this in 1991, but, it doesn't really alter the reality of the original determination.)

    3. Jew = one who practises the Judaic faith (Judaism) and is considered Jewish. There is no such thing as Jewishness in a racial sense, anymore than there is a Moslem race, or Christian race, etc.. The concept that there ever could be is palpably ridiculous, and an egregious deception.


    UN Resolution 3379 - Zionism as racism

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    Default Re: Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War

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    Here what Obama has to say.

    “And you then have to admit nobody’s hands are clean, that all of us are complicit to some degree,” the former president continued. “I look at this and I think back, ‘What could I have done during my presidency, to move this forward?’ as hard as I tried. I’ve got the scars to prove it.”
    I don't agree with this statement at all. We're not all complicit, unless he means the voters putting corrupt and incompetent people in government. And although I don't know what "scars" he means, as POTUS he could, and should, have done more, or SOMEthing at least to mitigate the ongoing situation in the Middle East. If not he, then who?
    It would indeed be interesting to know what "scars" Obama is talking about. If he made a point of talking about it, he must have some scars to prove it.

    I don't know the first thing about US domestic politics; however, the Trump presidency has proved to me beyond the shadow of a doubt that the POTUS is only a helpless puppet of the Deep State. The Deep State prevented almost everything Trump wanted to do. For example, when Trump wanted to make peace with North Korea, his National Security Advisor, John Bolton, said that the US wanted to apply the "Libyan model" to North Korea. Nobody can blame Kim for not wanting to give up his nukes if that means that the US will bomb his country to kingdom-come and kill him in some hole in the ground like Gaddafi.

    We don't know what pressure Obama had to resist when he was president. But we know for example, that Putin helped him to avoid bombing Syria by destroying Assad's chemical weapons. In 2013, John Kerry and the Neocons were set on bombing Syria like they had bombed Libya in 2011. Obama was only able to avoid bombing Syria because Putin found a way of disarming the arguments of the Neocons in the last minute.

    Does anybody know what "scars" Obama is talking about?

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    Quote Posted by Humwawa (here)
    Does anybody know what "scars" Obama is talking about?
    I don't know but I'm guessing that he's trying to give the impression that behind the scenes he battled hard for Palestine but couldn't get anywhere with it....sustaining metaphorical scars along the way....

    ??

    (edit to add.... because even though he was POTUS his power was limited and he had to follow the instructions of the Deep State Globalists.... who had put him into power....and they have their own ideas about rearrangements in the Middle East...? in preparation for a One World Government..)
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    Default Re: Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War

    While we write these words here, the IDF are still dropping bombs on Gaza civilians, and even on Lebanese civilians now. This has to stop NOW, but how do we do that? Of course I contacted the spineless politicians of my country, Canada, but what good will that do.

    The one and only one reason that Isreal is able to do this genocide is because the USA deep state is run by zi0nists. Many of them have dual citizenship with Isreal. They don't represent Americans. They do everything for Isreal's interest. Including the yearly funding of billions $$$ to Isreal. If it wasn't for the USA propping it up, Isreal wouldn't even exist.

    Netanyahu has been trying to get the USA to attack Iran for decades. He said, literally: "The 9/11 attack was good for Isreal". Indeed, after 9/11 the USA militarily took out Iraq and tried to do the same to Syria. It's obvious that Netanyahu wants the USA to finish the job in Syria and then move towards Iran. It's also obvious to me that Oct 7 Hamas attack involved a staged event, to justify Isreal's attacks against Gaza and to get the USA involved in more military interventions in the region. Right now there are several US military ships & aircraft carriers in the Mediterranean to support Isreal militarily. Iran is definitely the target.

    Americans could rise up, put their foot down, and say no more of that, and many have. But Isreal continues bombing hospitals. And the politicians are only tut-tutting, now there... go easier on that bombing will ya.

    But perhaps there is the beginning of a shift. I just watched this speech from Joy Reid on MSNBC and almost fell off my chair. Because she makes sense, finally!
    However, she doesn't call for the one thing that would put a stop to the slaughter: the clear and definitive withdrawal of all USA support to Isreal.

    Joy on Israeli offensive: Bombings are funded using our tax dollars. We should ask some questions

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    Quote Posted by Humwawa (here)
    Does anybody know what "scars" Obama is talking about?
    I don't know but I'm guessing that he's trying to give the impression that behind the scenes he battled hard for Palestine but couldn't get anywhere with it....sustaining metaphorical scars along the way....

    ??

    (edit to add.... because even though he was POTUS his power was limited and he had to follow the instructions of the Deep State Globalists.... who had put him into power....and they have their own ideas about rearrangements in the Middle East...? in preparation for a One World Government..)
    Ole Bath-House Barry heh

    Definitely a DS [Z-ist] [KM] construct who - apparently - couldn't even find his way around the White House well, when he was in 'office'. He does everything under 'instruction'.

    This may be worth revisiting, from 2013: Mia Marie Pope on the Manning Report. She knew him way way before, from schooldays:

    Video here:



    Audio embedded here:

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    Quote Posted by Rizotto (here)
    This has to stop NOW, but how do we do that?
    I think about this every day.

    Something fairly major is going to happen, but I don't know what. I feel pretty strongly that someone, somewhere, is going to take this into their own hands.

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    LIBRARY UPDATE | Israel: CIA - US State Department files - collection

    Last week I uploaded these to the library but admit to not having had time to trawl them in any great depth. These are all declassified documents and perhaps close to 30,000 pages worth.

    One could be almost certain there's a mine of very interesting historical detail in there.

    Directory landing page: https://avalonlibrary.net/?dir=Israe...partment_files

    This smaller additional document highlights a handful of revealing exchanges in particular concerning the Israeli nuclear programme, being discussed as early as 1960:

    https://avalonlibrary.net/Israel-CIA...s/ISRLMISC.pdf

    Everything is zipped up here: https://avalonlibrary.net/Israel-CIA...ment_files.zip
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    Default Re: Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War

    Of course we are all complicit.
    In fact, if it weren't for the imperialist USA and its corporate hitmen, the first world would not have ever attained that moniker.
    We are fat and rich because we stole the assets of the third world and exploited their workers.
    When I say 'we' it is not 'we' but 'them'. 'They' got rich. We just did all the heavy lifting for 'them'. Even the crumbs off 'their' table has been largesse compared to the rest of the world.

    So funny to think that after all this time we still think we can influence their decisions. They do what they do and we have no say whatsoever. Never had, either. It is just that all this time we thought we had a say because of the way they have manipulated public opinion by false narratives and propaganda.

    They say the President is the leader of the free world. But how can that be true if the President is not privy to all the secrets held by government agencies? You can't be the leader if you don't know the workings of your own government.

    Which leads to the question: if the President is not the leader of the free world, then who is? The answer is not what you would expect. Firstly, there is no 'free world' - that is just rhetoric. Second, there is no single leader. Instead, it is a consortium, loosely held together by greed, power, influence, and monopoly in a sort of elite hegemony. That is the human component. The off-world component, the alien component, is off limits and mostly speculation. One has to ask, "What has happened to the $5 trillion, the Pentagon cannot account for over the decades?" That might lead to the alien component of the worldwide control mechanism...

    Being a native African, Obama has been compromised from the start. He hates the west and has been recorded claiming he has an agenda to end the USA's status as the world's only superpower. So ya, he believes we are all complicit but has that opinion twisted by hate. He has vengeance on his mind - for all the people's of the third world, and of course for the Muslims of which he is one.
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    I wish I knew his name ... I asked, but get no feedback ...

    Does anyone know who this man is?
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    No need to follow anyone, only consider broadening (y)our horizon of possibilities ...

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Rizotto (here)
    This has to stop NOW, but how do we do that?
    I think about this every day.

    Something fairly major is going to happen, but I don't know what. I feel pretty strongly that someone, somewhere, is going to take this into their own hands.
    It's common knowledge the Obama/Biden Administration was not really all that friendly to Israel. I'm wondering if the now Biden Administration is going to double cross Israel and step away....which, would be quite a death sentence to Israel. Israel would be at high risk of being completely annihilated and likely end up using the Samson plan.

    Things are not as they seem, and I still think Iran is the target at the end of the day. Hard to say though as so many things are upside down and backwards, including the whole Israel/Gaza situation.

    What's happening in Gaza is horrible, but, the genocide that many are claiming Israel is doing in Gaza is exactly what those same people want to happen to Israel. Two wrongs don't make a right. Millions are protesting around the world that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza and at the same time chanting for Israel to be wiped off the face of the planet. This type of a two-sided mindset wanting the same thing will not end well.

    I also feel something fairly major is about to happen, likely within the US borders to get the masses riled up and screaming for revenge....
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    "While Israel has the right, and indeed the duty to respond to the numerous and deadly acts of violence directed against its civilian population, in order to protect the life of its citizens, the measures taken are bound to remain in conformity with applicable international law. Israel cannot rely on a right of self-defence or on a state of necessity in order to preclude the wrongfulness of the construction of the wall. The Court accordingly finds that the construction of the wall, and its associated régime, are contrary to international law." - International Court of Justice, 2004

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    This, from Craig Murray, dated November 5th:
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    The Right of Self-Defence

    Source: https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archi...-self-defence/

    Israel does have the right of self-defence, but only in precisely the same way other countries do. In fact, the only unique factor about Israel here is that it is the only country to have been found by the International Court of Justice specifically to have abused and exceeded the concept of right of self-defence, in its treatment of the Palestinians.



    In 2004 the International Court of Justice, in an advisory Opinion to the UN General Assembly, ruled illegal Israel’s construction of its great Wall, which is a fundamental part of the Israeli Apartheid system. The court considered Israel’s argument of self-defence and ruled that this did not justify the numerous breaches of international law represented by the Wall:
    "While Israel has the right, and indeed the duty to respond to the numerous and
    deadly acts of violence directed against its civilian population, in order to protect the life of its citizens, the measures taken are bound to remain in conformity with applicable international law. Israel cannot rely on a right of self-defence or on a state of necessity in order to preclude the wrongfulness of the construction of the wall. The Court accordingly finds that the construction of the wall, and its associated régime, are contrary to international law."
    It flows from this that Israel cannot use “self-defence” as a trump card to tear up international law in the current situation in Palestine. The use of collective punishment against a civilian population—including via starvation, thirst and deprivation of medicine, the carpet bombing, the use of white phosphorus, the attacks on medical facilities, the attacks on medical staff, the execution of prisoners, the clearly genocidal attempt—none of these war crimes is excusable as “self-defence”.

    The military cooperation of the US, UK and Australian governments—in an attack which they know is engaged in committing egregious war crimes—also opens those responsible to war crimes charges for their active complicity and indeed conspiracy.

    Furthermore, there is in fact a positive legal duty on states to be acting against Israel in view of Israel’s refusal to dismantle the Wall and the Apartheid system in the occupied territories—including the widespread criminal settling and stealing of land which that system embodies. This is the International Court of Justice judgment on the obligations of other states:
    "Given the character and the importance of the rights and obligations involved, the Court is of the view that all States are under an obligation not to recognize the illegal situation resulting from the construction of the wall in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including in and around East Jerusalem. They are also under an obligation not to render aid or assistance in maintaining the situation created by such construction.

    It is also for all States, while respecting the United Nations Charter and international law, to see to it that any impediment, resulting from the construction of the wall, to the exercise by the Palestinian people of its right to self-determination is brought to an end. In addition, all the States parties to the Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War of 12 August 1949 are under an obligation, while respecting the United Nations Charter and international law, to ensure compliance by Israel with international humanitarian law as embodied in that Convention."
    Read that paragraph very carefully. Israel has not undertaken any of the actions specified by the ICJ and has indeed built more settlements and imposed more restrictions. It is absolutely plain that the UK, US and European Union are not only not fulfilling their duty in international law as set out by the International Court of Justice;

    The US, UK and EU are acting directly opposite to their obligation in international law under the ICJ ruling.

    The BDS movement is acting precisely in line with the obligations set out by the International Court of Justice, while the states attempting to ban the BDS movement are acting precisely against the obligations imposed on them by the International Court of Justice.

    Finally, the ruling must imply the Palestinians do indeed have the right of self-defence. Because you cannot have the “right of self-determination”, which the court acknowledges, without the right of self-defence. Because it is impossible to exercise self-determination if somebody else can remove your bodily integrity at whim. That right of self-defence must perforce be exercised by whoever has de facto control of Palestinian territory at the time.

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    A Response to Bernie Sanders
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    November 6th, 2023

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    After seeing Senator Sanders’ appearance on CNN from the morning of November 5, Norman Finkelstein decided it was necessary to publish an open video reply to the Senator. The clip in question is shown in the video, followed by Norman’s response, which was recorded last night, the evening of November 5 2023.

    The Sanders tweet referred to at 36:27.

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    My name is Norm Finkelstein. I heard Bernie Sanders' statement this evening opposing the ceasefire. I had planned to spend this evening reading, as I've fallen dreadfully behind in my reading and unless I keep reading, I can't bring anything fresh and important to what's happening now. I was so furious at that remark of Bernie's, when he said he opposed the ceasefiree and my innards started to writhe and I decided I had to respond.

    Now this is wholly unrehearsed. There are no special effects -- make my remarks more effective. I'm just speaking it, as my words go from my brain out into the cyberspace. Now, Bernie said in this interview that he opposed the ceasefire. And his grounds for opposing the ceasefire were that Hamas wanted to destroy Israel, and therefore Hamas has to be destroyed. So let's look at the facts. I'm not going to go all the way back into history. I'm going to just start with 2006.

    In 2006 there was an election in the West Bank in Gaza, parliamentary elections. Those elections were urged on the Palestinian people by the US administration was that now forgotten moment in the Bush administration called “democracy promotion.” And part of this package called “democracy promotion” was the Palestinians were supposed to participate in those wonderful democratic experiences.

    And Hamas was urged to participate in those elections, and it reversed itself. Hitherto, it opposed participating in any elections in the occupied territories, because those elections were a consequence of the Oslo Accord. And since Hamas opposed the Oslo Accord, it opposed participating in the elections. But it reversed itself. It ran in a civilian political party. And, much to the surprise of Hamas and everybody else, it won the election. Those were, according to former US President Jimmy Carter, “completely fair and honest elections,” and Hamas won. What did the US and Israel do? It immediately imposed a brutal blockade on Gaza, which brought economic life in Gaza to a standstill. Now that's not all it did, but we'll get back to that in a moment.

    First of all, remind listeners, what is Gaza? It's 25 miles long, it's five miles wide, it's a tiny parcel of land. It's among the most densely populated places on God's earth. Half of the population of Gaza consists of children, to which I'll return. 70% of Gaza consists of refugees from the 1948 war, that is, Palestinians who were expelled from the area that became Israel and ended up in Gaza and have remained refugees for 75 years henceforth, living in refugee camps like Jabalia camp, which I'll also return in a moment.

    For about 20 years -- two years shy of 20 years. Nobody can go in, nobody can go out. Unemployment in Gaza is about 50% among the population in general, 60% among the youth. It reportedly has the highest rate of unemployment of any area in the world. It suffers from what humanitarian organizations call “extreme food insecurity.” Nobody can go in, nobody can go out. What is Gaza? Well, one of Israel's senior officials, or in layperson's terms, certified lunatics, named Giora Eiland, E-I-L-A-N-D for those who want to look it up. In 2006, Giaora Eiland, who still is, incidentally, in the inner circle of Benjamin Netanyahu right now as I speak. He described Gaza as, quote, not my words, as “a huge concentration camp.” That's Gaza.

    Euphemistically, even Bernie who's ever so politically correct, will acknowledge that, well maybe, he says, it can be described as an open-air prison. Open-air prison, the euphemism, or Giora Eiland “a huge concentration camp.” Or maybe Baruch Kimmerling, the former senior sociologist at Hebrew University, quote, “the largest concentration camp ever to exist.”

    Now, as a matter of law. Richard Goldstone, who authored the famous or infamous, whichever you prefer, Goldstone Report after Operation Cast Lead in 2008-9, he said that the blockade of Gaza likely likely qualifies or rises to a crime against humanity. That's a crime against humanity that's endured for two decades. Not a momentary crime against humanity, say dropping a bomb on a hospital or dropping a 2,000-pound bomb on a densely populated refugee camp. Not a momentary crime against humanity, but a crime against humanity that's endured for nearly two decades.

    But bear in mind, it's Hamas that must be defeated because it wants to destroy Israel, not Israel that must be destroyed, because it wants to incarcerate an entire population, half of whom are children, in a concentration camp, which constitutes a crime against humanity. No, Israel doesn't have to be destroyed – only Hamas has to be destroyed.

    Well, first of all, is it true? I'm asking you, Bernie, I don't know if you know the facts, and I will grant you that, focused as you are on domestic issues, I will grant, you probably don't know the facts and you're entitled not to know them. You know, Build Back Better, better than me. And that was your priority. That's always been your priority. And I have to respect that. I saw your speech with the United Auto Workers during the strike, and as much as I've soured on you, I have to acknowledge it was a great speech. I talked to Dr. Cornel West shortly after that speech, and I said it was really a brilliant speech. And he said to me, well, Bernie was in his element. Workers' strikes, workers' rights, unions, it's Bernie's element.

    Fine, and I'll grant that in your element, you're good -- actually you're as good as they get. But, and here I'm going to quote Clare Daly from the European Union, when Ursula von der Leyen, when she decided, without any mandate, to go over and embrace Israel and say, “we all stand by Israel,” Clare Daly, the Irish representative in the European Union, she said, quote, -- referring to von der Leyen -- she said, quote, “if you have nothing constructive to say, shut up.”

    So, here are the facts. When Hamas was elected, it repeatedly sent out peace feelers to try and resolve the conflict with Israel. It presented on its own, or as speaking for itself, the terms of the international consensus for resolving a conflict, namely two states on the June 1967 border. Now it's true, because I have no quarrel with facts. I've always been of the opinion that there's no contradiction between truth and the struggle for justice. And if there were a contradiction between the two, it would probably cause me a moral crisis, but at the end of the day, I would come out on the side of truth.

    Hamas, yes, it's true. There were areas such as its demand for the full implementation of the right of the return of Palestinian refugees to the homes from which they were expelled in 1948. I'm saying, even though that is the law, that is the law, I recognize that as part of a settlement that particular aspect of international law would probably have to be negotiated. I'm rendering a, as it were, third-party judgment from afar. But there is no question that Hamas was attempting to reach some sort of settlement with Israel. The record is ample in that regard. The documentation irrefutable and impeachable.

    What was the Israeli reaction? Well, time won’t allow me to go through the entire record. But I will briefly go through it. I have to go through it, because my innards writhe at the despicable thing you said in the interview today – whether it was moral idiocy, whether it was exemplary of being a moral monster, or whether it was cynical opportunism because you're too much of a coward to break ranks with President Biden. I don't know which it is, but here's the record. The record can be summarized in a phrase that became very popular in the Israeli administration. It's called “mowing the lawn.” It happens that this “lawn” called Gaza, 1,100,000 blades of grass in that lawn are children.

    So, whenever that satanic government, and I choose my words carefully, and with premeditation, refers to mowing the lawn, we should bear in mind that 1,100,000 blades of grass in that lawn are children.

    But, Bernie Sanders the senator from Vermont he says, Israel must destroy Hamas because Hamas wants to destroy Israel. Yes, Bernie, you're so right. You are so right, Bernie. Until October 7th, Israel didn't want to destroy Gaza. It just wanted to mow the law. You're so right, Bernie. I am so appreciative of your moral niceties and nuances. Hamas must be destroyed because it wants to destroy Israel. But Israel, does it have to be destroyed? No, because Israel doesn't want to destroy Gaza, or at least until October 7th. It just wants to mow the lawn. That's your moral calculus, Bernie. Your sick, ill, morbid moral calculus. So, Hamas, that terrible, evil organization, it wants to destroy Israel, and that's why Hamas has to be destroyed.

    So in June 2008 there was a ceasefire arranged between Israel and Hamas. That evil Hamas, oh my goodness gracious, as Cornel Dr. West would say, my goodness gracious, that evil perfidious Hamas, it negotiated a ceasefire. And then what happened?

    The ceasefire held, it held in June, it held in July, it held in August, it held in September, it held in October, and it held the first four days in November. And then November 4th came along. When those people whose memories are short, that was election day. when everybody's attention was riveted on the presidential election and the first black president being elected in our country's history. And Israel used that moment -- when all the cameras were diverted from it -- it used that moment to attack Hamas in Gaza and broke the ceasefire. Not evil, perfidious Hamas, but beautiful, wonderful Israel.

    Now that's not my word. Go back and read what Amnesty International said. In fact, even the official Israeli publications which I cite in my book, state the ceasefire held until Israel broke it. And then Israel proceeded to do what it does best. It proceeded to commit a high-tech massacre in Gaza, killed about 1,400 people. Of those 1,400, 350 were children. It systematically devastated the infrastructure of Gaza, and it was guilty of, according to the Goldstone Report, multiple war crimes and possibly crimes against humanity.

    Now, here's a point for you, Bernie – I barely can say that name anymore without being filled with contempt and disgust. I worked very hard in that 2016 campaign and I worked very hard on that 2020 campaign and I was by a wide margin among the oldest people who was going in advance out of state to canvas for you. And now it's a bitter memory when I hear your statements. So here's a fact for you Bernie: As I mentioned to you, about 1,400 people were killed in Gaza. The estimates are four-fifths were civilians, one-fifth or 20% were combatants. If you look at what happened on October 7th, the numbers are roughly the same. About 1,400 civilians were killed after the prison breakout or concentration camp breakout in Gaza. The numbers I've seen are about 400 were combatants among the Israelis killed. killed, but roughly speaking, the numbers balance out.

    So here's my question to you, Bernie, and I'm dead serious. This ain't a joke. I'm not talking about scoring debating points. It's about people, to quote the Warsaw Ghetto Resistance song. It's really the partisan song, but the Warsaw Ghetto Resistance song. And one lyric goes, "'T'was a people amidst the crashing fires of hell.” That's the people of Gaza now, Bernie. T'was a people, or now ‘tis a people, amidst the crashing fires of hell. And Bernie Sanders is on record saying it should continue.

    So here's the question, Bernie. You say that because of what Hamas did on October 7th, they proved that they can't be lived with and they have to be destroyed. Now, if that be the case, and if I've accurately rendered the historical record, as I'm very confident that I have, then, if the numbers are roughly the same, and it's undisputed that Israel broke the ceasefire, why don't you conclude on the basis of just Operation Cast Lead, just in that one operation, that one “mowing of the lawn,” why don't you conclude that Israel must be destroyed? You came to the realization after October 7th that Hamas had to be destroyed. So, logically, if roughly the same numbers of people were killed, then Israel has to be destroyed.

    But you're going to say, no, no, no, no, you're going to shake your head. I already know every one of your facial gestures. I listened to you in 2016 and 2020 every night, every debate listen to you again and again. You gonna say no, no, no, you're gonna shake your head, it's different Because Hamas wants to destroy Israel Israel doesn't want to destroy God no, you're right Bernie up until October 7th You were right. Israel didn't want to destroy Gaza, it just wanted to leave the 2.3 million people, half of whom are children, immured in the concentration camp to languish and die. You're right Bernie, it's different. Hamas wants to destroy Israel. But all Israel wants to do, I mean, it's not really a big deal. Let's be for real. All Israel wanted to do was immure 2,300,000 people in a concentration camp and leave them there to die. So that's, you know, there's Bernie's moral subtlety. You know how philosophers love nuance. They love complexity. They love nicety. Evil Hamas, it wants to destroy Israel, whereas Israel, all it wants to do is lock 2.3 million people in a concentration camp for life.

    If you go to Operation Pillar of Defense, it happened, and I don't have time to go through the details now, it happened that after Operation Cast Lead, there was a slight relaxing of the brutal blockade of Gaza. And it enabled, it was probably just a temporary blip, that's what Sara Roy has written, the Harvard economist. And of course I defer to her judgment. She's the world's leading authority in Gaza's economy. She said it was probably just a temporary blip, but the fact is the Gaza economy did show some signs of recovery. And there was also money starting to pour in from Qatar. The head of state of Turkey, Erdoğan, was planning on a visit to Gaza. And this annoyed the heck out of Israel because Gaza was not supposed to prosper, again, relatively speaking when I speak of prosperity. It wasn't supposed to prosper.

    So what did it do? The record is clear. It assassinated a senior Hamas official. It happened that this senior Hamas official named Jabari, he was the main contact with the Israeli government. He was the one responsible for negotiating the ceasefires with Israel. And at the moment he was assassinated he was in the midst of negotiating a longterm ceasefire. You hear that Bernie? Those evil, perfidious, devilish, Hamas leaders. They were so perfidious that they were planning to negotiate a longterm ceasefire with Israel. So what did Israel do? They killed him, and then began Operation Pillar of Defense.

    And then in 2014, it's time to “mow the lawn” again. Without going into the details, by the end, Israel killed -- not 1,400 Palestinians as Israelis were killed on October 7th -- they killed 2,200 Palestinians, of whom 550 were children. They demolished 18,000 homes. Peter Moore, the president of the International Committee of the Red Cross, whose job is to tour war zones. That's his resume, his CV, to tour war zones. After he toured Gaza, he said never in his professional life had he seen destruction of the magnitude that he witnessed in Gaza.

    But it's Hamas that has to be destroyed because it doesn't, it wants to destroy Israel. It doesn't recognize Israel. Hamas is the problem. Hamas. Let's not talk about destroying the State of Israel. That's sacrosanct. That's not even a conceivable concept. But destroying Hamas, because they're evil, they're evil incarnate, they're so evil that they negotiate ceasefires, they stand by ceasefires, they attempt to restore the devastated economy in Gaza, that's pristine, distilled, evil incarnate.

    And then comes October 7th. I've spoken about it at length to the point of tedium, so I'm not going to repeat myself in this response to you, Bernie. But I have to say, with all due respect, the things you've been saying since October 7th, you're positively ill. Now I know you're thinking, well, I've heard some of the things you said, and I think they're ill. Fair enough.

    However, we can disagree on that, and we can disagree forecefully on that, but when you say you oppose a ceasefire, you've crossed a red line. You've become a moral monster. I'm going to say that again. You've become a moral monster. I read yesterday your tweet. Now you'll forgive me for not getting it verbatim correctly, but you said, not me, you said Israel is indiscriminately bombing hospitals, bombing schools, killing civilians. You said that, and I'll ask the people who are recording this video to post it, right as I recite these remarks, which I acknowledge are a paraphrase of what you said yesterday.

    https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/st...45234135765305

    Now, when you oppose a ceasefire at this point, you are in effect, And in fact -- you are in effect, and in fact, giving Israel carte blanche to continue to indiscriminately target the civilian infrastructure and the civilian population of Gaza, 1 million of whom, or 1,100,000 of whom, are children. You have become a moral monster. And don't say, of course I oppose that. Of course you oppose that.

    And you think Israel will stop doing that because Bernie Sanders tells them to? You think all of a sudden now they're going to cease targeting, hospitals with the plural, hospitals, do you think they’re going to cease targeting ambulances? Do you think they're going to cease targeting civilian dwellings? The housing, the homes of these people, 70% of whom and their descendants already lost their homes in 1948 and now lost them again.

    The 50% who are children no longer have a roof over their head. The little toys that they had, the family pictures that they kept, everything now in rubble. And buried beneath the rubble, there are still thousands of children, and you just gave the green light to continue the destruction of Gaza. T'was a people amidst the crashing fires of hell, and now ‘tis a people amidst the crashing fires of hell with the stamp of approval from Bernie Sanders. What a pitiful shame.

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    An interesting historical documentation concerning Blinken.

    This New York Times obituary published July 15th, 1986, Maurice, grandfather to the incumbent Antony. Certain things begin to make way more sense when seen in print like this:
    Maurice Blinken, 86; Early Backer of Israel

    Maurice H. Blinken, a New York lawyer who founded the American Palestine Institute after World War II, died Sunday at the Good Samaritan Hospital, West Palm Beach, Fla., after a long illness. He was 86 years old and lived in Palm Beach.

    In 1946, under Mr. Blinken's direction, the institute initiated and financed a report by several economists, ''Palestine: Problem and Promise,'' which argued that an independent Jewish state was economically viable.

    This rebutted a British white paper that contended Palestine could not economically support a large immigrant population.

    The institute's report is said to have helped persuade the United States Government to support the establishment of the State of Israel.

    Mr. Blinken was born in Kiev, Russia, and was a graduate of New York University in 1921 and of its law school in 1924.

    From 1939 to 1951, he represented the United States interests of Marks & Spencer, the British department store company. A former resident of Yonkers, he served as president of the city's school board and as chairman of its public library board.

    In 1954, Mr. Blinken and his son Robert founded the Mite Corporation, a company that manufactured hardware machinery. In 1985, it was acquired by Emhart Industries.

    Mr. Blinken is survived by his wife, the former Ethel Horowitz; three sons, Donald, of Manhattan, Robert, of Bedford Hills, N.Y., and Alan, of Manhattan; and nine grandchildren.

    A version of this article appears in print on July 15, 1986, Section D, Page 28 of the National edition
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    An interesting historical documentation concerning Blinken.

    This New York Times obituary published July 15th, 1986, Maurice, grandfather to the incumbent Antony. Certain things begin to make way more sense when seen in print like this:
    Maurice Blinken, 86; Early Backer of Israel

    Maurice H. Blinken, a New York lawyer who founded the American Palestine Institute after World War II, died Sunday at the Good Samaritan Hospital, West Palm Beach, Fla., after a long illness. He was 86 years old and lived in Palm Beach.

    In 1946, under Mr. Blinken's direction, the institute initiated and financed a report by several economists, ''Palestine: Problem and Promise,'' which argued that an independent Jewish state was economically viable.

    This rebutted a British white paper that contended Palestine could not economically support a large immigrant population.

    The institute's report is said to have helped persuade the United States Government to support the establishment of the State of Israel.

    Mr. Blinken was born in Kiev, Russia, and was a graduate of New York University in 1921 and of its law school in 1924.

    From 1939 to 1951, he represented the United States interests of Marks & Spencer, the British department store company. A former resident of Yonkers, he served as president of the city's school board and as chairman of its public library board.

    In 1954, Mr. Blinken and his son Robert founded the Mite Corporation, a company that manufactured hardware machinery. In 1985, it was acquired by Emhart Industries.

    Mr. Blinken is survived by his wife, the former Ethel Horowitz; three sons, Donald, of Manhattan, Robert, of Bedford Hills, N.Y., and Alan, of Manhattan; and nine grandchildren.

    A version of this article appears in print on July 15, 1986, Section D, Page 28 of the National edition
    Antony Blinken also grew up with and is good friends with Robert Malley....Malley was one of the top architects of the Iran Deal in the Obama Admin.

    Quote Biden’s Iran envoy placed on leave after security clearance suspended amid investigation into possible mishandling of classified material, sources say

    Rob Malley, the US special envoy on Iran, has been placed on leave without pay, which occurred after his security clearance was suspended earlier this year amid an investigation into his handling of classified material, multiple sources told CNN.

    A US official said that Malley’s clearance was suspended amid a State Department diplomatic security investigation into the possible mishandling of classified information. Another source familiar with the matter said he was placed on unpaid leave on Thursday afternoon.
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    Quote Republicans call for probe into State’s handling of its Iran envoy’s security clearance
    Robert Malley continued work at State after his security clearance was suspended over questions about his handling of classified materials.

    Secretary of State Antony Blinken defended Malley in an interview with MSNBC this week, saying he has served the U.S. admirably. The two men have been friends for decades.
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    Israeli Minister's 'Nuking Gaza' Comments Warning for World, Iran Says 27 minutes ago

    Israeli Heritage Minister Amichai Eliyahu got censured at home and sparked outrage abroad on Sunday after suggesting that using nuclear weapons in Gaza was “an option” and that there are “no non-combatants in Gaza.” Eliyahu later backtracked on the nuclear remarks, saying “anyone with a brain” realizes he was speaking “metaphorically.”

    An Israeli cabinet minister’s comments on the possibility of using nuclear weapons in Gaza should serve a warning to the international community to “stand up” to Israel and “hold its supporters accountable,” Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Nasser Kanaani has said.

    “The boundless brutality of the Zionist regime against the oppressed Palestinian people in Gaza in recent days, with today’s threat by the cabinet minister of the mentioned regime to use a nuclear bomb, is an alarm to the whole world,” Kanaani said in a social media post, using Iran’s favorite moniker for Israel.

    Later, at a press conference in Tehran on Monday, Kanaani stressed that Eliyahu’s remarks must be taken into “serious consideration,” given the record of Israel’s conduct in Gaza, and its possession of nuclear weapons.
    The spokesman went on to suggest that the remarks serve to undermine the Treaty on the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons, a 2017 agreement signed by 93 members of the United Nations calling for the total elimination of nuclear weapons.

    “We hope the United Nations would appropriately and immediately take care of this issue as a threat to international peace,” Kanaani urged.
    Also on Monday, Iran’s Foreign Minister called on the UN Security Council and the International Atomic Energy Agency to push for Israel’s nuclear disarmament.

    “[The] Israeli regime minister’s statements on use of nukes testify to [the] regime’s true defeat against [the Palestinian] Resistance. UNSC & IAEA must act immediately and forthwith to disarm this ferocious and apartheid regime. Tomorrow’s late. Full responsibility of this genocide rests with the White House,” Foreign Minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian said in a social media post.

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    “ And thank you Ravenlocke! You trawling the newsfeeds and posting relevant up-to-the-minute news is one of the reasons why this is very best forum thread that exists on the internet on this subject. ”

    Thank you Bright Skies, but I feel compelled to do this…it’s very dark and senseless..cruel beyond words..but it needs to be seen. Even my prayers feel utterly insignificant and makes me question now more than ever if God does exist….why won’t he/she stop this insanity and horror?

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    Here what Obama has to say.

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...1#post1584881”

    20 minute video in response to Obama’s comments on Israel which are found at the above link

    Norman Finkelstein DESTROYS Obama on Israel and Neocon War Crimes in Gaza

    Dr. Norman Finkelstein reacts to Obama's remarks on Gaza and exposes his complicity in Israel's war crimes from past to present.


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    https://x.com/MiddleEastEye/status/1721573106127393133




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    Israel-Palestine war: A love letter to my Palestinian family around the world

    There are people better suited than me to analyse the news, to report on disinformation, to dissect the politics.

    There are journalists risking their lives and the lives of their families to bring you uncensored news coverage. I hope you are following them.

    My purpose here is different. Though it’s not as urgent as encouraging you to donate to Gaza or to press your governments to demand a ceasefire, this message is also important from an emotional, psychological and mental health perspective.

    You’re feeling isolated. You feel like you’re being eaten alive. That is why I must remind every Palestinian, in every country around the globe, that you are part of a family and that you are deeply loved.

    We are living in a surreal time. The Nakba of 1948 was not televised; our ancestors told us stories and there are some pictures. But today, we are being exposed to photographs, videos and interviews attesting to the brutality being inflicted on the bodies and hearts and psyches of a civilian population in Gaza.

    Who can forget the image of a man, holding his dead, charred baby, screaming out in anguish because words fail him?

    Who can dissociate from the picture of a bewildered little girl weeping by the corpse of her mother? Who can ignore the news that Gazans were writing their names on different parts of their bodies - hands, legs, torsos - in case their corpses were found strewn around in multiple parts?

    And what about the families who chose to sleep in different locations, to increase the chance of some of them surviving, while others sleep huddled together, choosing to die together?

    Scared and helpless

    You think about them while, in your own bed, sleep eludes you as cruelly as peace. You think about Wadea al-Fayoume, which makes you think about Muhammad al-Durrah, then the Bakr boys playing football on the beach, and then it’s all the children… under the rubble, on a stretcher, gasping, shivering and stunned after a blast.

    There was a video of a cat, nuzzling one last time with the dead body of a toddler, its former playmate and best friend. You cynically entertained this thought: “This video has a sweet cat in it. Maybe, if I post it, people will care now?”

    Of course, you chide yourself: nothing you’re experiencing can compare to the actual terror being endured in Gaza. You have seen videos of traumatised children, shaking from clinical shock, asking, “Am I still alive?” They are scared and helpless, and you want to embrace them all, as I do, and put a stop to their misery.

    You are experiencing survivor’s guilt intensely, and you’re having trouble functioning at work, in school, among your friends and family.

    Yesterday, you watched as a mother wrote her children's names on their limbs and added her own, so their parts would be returned to her. Even if she's also dead, at least they can be buried together. She's been forced, you realise, to accept the icy logic of despair.

    And as you go about performing mundane, everyday tasks, you ask yourself: “What evil is this?”

    I’m writing to you because you live in a country where there is little empathy for the plight of your own people. Your robotic politicians seem undisturbed by the fact that 2.3 million people have been without water, food and electricity for two weeks now.

    A civilian population - elders who look like your grandparents, children who resemble your own - is being carpet-bombed with a cruelty that is beyond measure. An Israeli minister called them “human animals,” and President Joe Biden publicly doubts the numbers of casualties reported by the Palestinians.

    You know, as he surely does, that the number is probably higher, that the missing people are not really "missing"; they're dead under the rubble.

    Your heart is busted

    Your heart aches. You scroll. You cry. You’re repeatedly stunned by the brutality you’re witnessing.

    Your grandparents may have been born outside of Palestine. Maybe you’ve never ever seen Palestine yourself. Maybe you don’t speak or understand Arabic at all. In the past, these factors have made you feel distanced from your heritage, but this moment reminds you of how Palestinian you truly are, especially as you realise something we all do: there is a concerted effort to erase us.

    There was a video of a cat, nuzzling one last time with the dead body of a toddler, its former playmate and best friend. You cynically entertained this thought: “This video has a sweet cat in it. Maybe, if I post it, people will care now?”

    Of course, you chide yourself: nothing you’re experiencing can compare to the actual terror being endured in Gaza. You have seen videos of traumatised children, shaking from clinical shock, asking, “Am I still alive?” They are scared and helpless, and you want to embrace them all, as I do, and put a stop to their misery.

    You are experiencing survivor’s guilt intensely, and you’re having trouble functioning at work, in school, among your friends and family.

    Yesterday, you watched as a mother wrote her children's names on their limbs and added her own, so their parts would be returned to her. Even if she's also dead, at least they can be buried together. She's been forced, you realise, to accept the icy logic of despair.

    And as you go about performing mundane, everyday tasks, you ask yourself: “What evil is this?”

    I’m writing to you because you live in a country where there is little empathy for the plight of your own people. Your robotic politicians seem undisturbed by the fact that 2.3 million people have been without water, food and electricity for two weeks now.

    A civilian population - elders who look like your grandparents, children who resemble your own - is being carpet-bombed with a cruelty that is beyond measure. An Israeli minister called them “human animals,” and President Joe Biden publicly doubts the numbers of casualties reported by the Palestinians.

    You know, as he surely does, that the number is probably higher, that the missing people are not really "missing"; they're dead under the rubble.

    Your heart is busted

    Your heart aches. You scroll. You cry. You’re repeatedly stunned by the brutality you’re witnessing.

    Your grandparents may have been born outside of Palestine. Maybe you’ve never ever seen Palestine yourself. Maybe you don’t speak or understand Arabic at all. In the past, these factors have made you feel distanced from your heritage, but this moment reminds you of how Palestinian you truly are, especially as you realise something we all do: there is a concerted effort to erase us.

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