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    Default What would be the impact of a social credit system in the USA?

    Is this on the way to the USA, the UK and Europe?


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    Default Re: What would be the impact of a social credit system in the USA?

    I have heard it referred to as a digital wallet and it was said, "We have a digital wallet so now we need to put things in it."

    They will put everything they can into it.

    Making money digital will give the government total control over everything you do.

    Imagine that they want to implement the 15 minute cities? This will help them do that. They can make it so you are only allowed to spend money (or make a purchase) within a certain area.

    They could limit what you are allowed to purchase - "oh Mr. Smith, you have purchased too many apples already this week. No more apples for you until next month."

    We know that once a government puts something in place or gets control of something they will not let go.

    What they control and how much they control will only increase. The only way to get our freedom back after something like that will be through a total wide scale rebellion.

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    Default Re: What would be the impact of a social credit system in the USA?

    We already have this, they're just "Modernizing it"... It is called a credit score.... It is called a Tax bracket.... It is called the history of a billing cycle, such as power and water usage.... It is called a health index.... It is called a disciplinarian "Write up" at your career.... It is called a police record... and it is called social media.... to record it all...

    Really there is nothing new under the sun, just ways on which they can repackage it to be more dominant in our environment. Hell, we have people self regulating these days, to the point where they're fanatical about it... Wearing watches on their wrists to make sure they get in enough steps for the day, down to taking their own vital signs, all accessible... Checking their credit scores, and shopping accordingly, opening up new cards just to get that number up...

    We have stores tracking our purchasing histories, our pharmacy needs, our medical visits, and everything else under the sun...

    AND ALL OF IT, is being tracked and gathered, and used by some agency or business entity...

    This movie is pretty much exactly where we are heading.. But really, I think we are already subtly there...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosedive_(Black_Mirror)

    As it is, many do not speak their truth for fear of their community openly "Clicking the thumbsdown" icon... It's ridiculous..

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    Default Re: What would be the impact of a social credit system in the USA?

    Ouch -

    The introduction of a social credit system, similar to the one implemented in China, could have several negative impacts on democracy and our current way of life. While the concept of a social credit system is intended to promote positive behaviour and trust in society, I have grave doubts and concerns that its implementation raises concerns about individual privacy, freedom of expression, and the potential for abuse of power.

    Then again, we should be maybe used to that by now.

    Is it just me or what do you think about...

    Privacy Concerns

    Social credit systems often involve extensive data collection on individuals' behavior, both online and offline. This raises significant privacy concerns as citizens may feel that their personal lives are constantly under surveillance.

    Restriction of Freedom of Expression

    Individuals may be hesitant to express dissenting opinions or criticize the government if they fear that such actions could negatively impact their social credit scores. This can lead to self-censorship, stifling the diversity of opinions essential for a healthy democratic society.

    Limited Freedom of Movement

    A low social credit score could result in restricted access to certain services or even limitations on the ability to travel. This restricts the freedom of movement and can be used as a tool to control or punish individuals based on their behavior or political views.

    Risk of Discrimination and Social Exclusion

    The social credit system may lead to discrimination against certain groups or individuals who do not conform to the government's preferred behavior. This could result in social exclusion, limiting opportunities for education, employment, and participation in various aspects of society.

    Potential for Abuse of Power

    The centralized nature of a social credit system puts a significant amount of power in the hands of those who control and administer it. This could lead to abuse, with the potential for political manipulation and targeting of specific individuals or groups perceived as threats to the ruling regime.

    Lack of Transparency and Accountability

    Social credit systems may lack transparency in how scores are calculated and what actions lead to positive or negative consequences. The lack of accountability in such systems can undermine trust in the government and its institutions.

    Chilling Effect on Innovation and Entrepreneurship

    The fear of negative repercussions from a low social credit score could discourage innovation and entrepreneurship, as individuals may be unwilling to take risks that could be perceived as detrimental to their social credit standing.

    Influence on Social Behaviour and Conformity

    The emphasis on conforming to a set of predefined societal norms to maintain a high social credit score may discourage individuality and diverse perspectives, impacting the vibrancy of a democratic society.

    For me here in the freedom of the Scottish Highlands, the impact of a social credit system on democracy could depend on the specific implementation and the safeguards in place to protect individual rights and freedoms. However, the potential for abuse and the erosion of privacy and freedom are significant concerns associated with such systems.

    ...and with so much happening with AI at the moment, who knows what is in store in 2024 and beyond with the powers that be?

    Is there an upside about it all, we can focus on and see the benefits of it all?

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    Default Re: What would be the impact of a social credit system in the USA?

    Quote Posted by Denise/Dizi (here)
    We already have this, they're just "Modernizing it"... It is called a....
    All the scores, credits, tracking, records, ... that we have now are only partially integrated.

    The public facing smaller businesses and local governments don't integrate all that is knowable about me, and leverage that to enforce uniform tyranny.

    My services of my local solid waste company don't depend on my politics, so long as I put out my trash the way that suits their pickup, and I pay my bill.

    My local grocery store doesn't care about my credit score or academic degrees and diplomas, so long as I'm well behaved in their store and my payment (cash, credit card, ...) is reliable.

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    Default Re: What would be the impact of a social credit system in the USA?

    ThePythonicCow said it very well above, all countries work in a similar fashion.

    With the "digitization" of all services or nearly all of it, will provide governments with a much better accuracy to micromanaging (profiling) each individual on earth. The only goal for them is to have total control over someone's life, however many will debate the positive aspects of having better and more accurate services provide to the society, but the main goal remains the same, total enslavement of human race, which is the essential point that the majority are failing to observe.

    and of course people can believe whatever they want and look only the "positive" side of it totally ignoring their liberty/freedom/privacy/anonymity/security/etc.. that is how it goes anyway.

    Less morality less freedom, more morality more freedom, both things walk together.
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    Default Re: What would be the impact of a social credit system in the USA?

    > What would be the impact of a social credit system in the USA?

    Incredible violence, and IMO it wont happen.
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    Quote Posted by ThePythonicCow (here)
    We are now facing the manifest, in your face, all places and all the time, surveillance and control, in accordance with the whims of some evil entit(y/ies) that we know not, and never want to know.
    Yep. The credit score was always a scam. I remember having a decent one, then I lost my job and maxed out a couple credit cards, using one to pay off the other, lol, and my credit card with the 6.67 APR shot up to 29.99 percent so that my minimum monthly payment ended up being $1 less than the monthly interest! And that's how they getcha. Luckily I had some investments and paid those cards off in full - want no part of that game. And that's where we find ourselves today. It's a rigged game. It's slavery outright. We cannot let this digital prison happen. If you thought Covid was bad, you ain't seen nothin' yet...

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    Default Re: What would be the impact of a social credit system in the USA?

    Quote Posted by Anchor (here)
    > What would be the impact of a social credit system in the USA?

    Incredible violence, and IMO it wont happen.
    Sadly, I do suspect there are a type of folks that would actually like this kind of thing - the ones that thrive on "brownie points" and attaboys, social status and likes and other such tokens. Virtue signalers...
    <sigh>
    That type might even embrace it to build their own lacking sense of self-worth, or something.
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    Default Re: What would be the impact of a social credit system in the USA?

    I think the social credit system is already active in the west but it's hidden.

    Shadow banning is social credit system. Removal from paypal or other banking services is social credit system. Employment oportunity black lists are social credit system.

    In UK there is already a system in place through which payments pass when we pay bills. At this point it's such a light touch that mobile phone users don't notice it at all yet. A person without a mobile phone, like myself, gets hit right in the face by it tho'. I don't know for certain but I suspect there is a new 'agency' inserted into the system that handles the credit calculating voodoo* so that banks and the rest don't have to deal with it.

    They have to build it slowly and carefully so it's not very obvious yet but the embryo is developing nicely.


    * I had a friend take a look at why my attempt to pay my council tax on-line failed. She made a payment of just 1 penny into my council tax 'account' and it was paid successfully and she received confirmation. Her transaction went perfectly, mine was a total failure. What was the difference? . . . she used her apple ID'd smartphone to do it, I didn't.
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    My thinking on all tis is simple, keep using cash! is the only thing they cannot control 100% yet!! and is no tracking , Silver coins , gold mini bars , etcetera keep us free from gov over control on us.

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    Do you know that your computer reads your mind? Somewhere, if you think in pictures, your pictures are likely being filed. The crooked politicians should be hung out to dry in hell for the things they have done or would like to do to us. I predict that the ability to read your mind while you are cursing them will be added to their ability to remove your money if you say or do something they do not wish.

    Also, this is the way to eliminate the population. If they can lock people up in skyscrapers, put their animals out in the garbage to be crushed to death by the garbage trucks, let you die in your apartment if you need an ambulance as they have done to people in Shanghai, what won't they do to you next?

    Can someone tell me why when I look at the white ceramic tiles on my floor, I can see fast moving entire pages of type? It is passing so quickly that I cannot decipher the individual words or sentences. This is what this computer is doing to me. It is inputting information in my brain without my being aware of what that material is. There is absolutely no institution out there that you can trust. All you can be certain of is that their objective is to KILL YOU.

    The Sell Out Politicians, etc., need to be literally physically removed by the people as the people of Iceland are reported to have done to those in their parliament.

    All of the voluminous laws they have passed which you know nothing of and which are embalmed in impossible legal jargon and are for the sole benefit of those who wish to rob and kill you should be scrapped. Most of what they are passing is for the benefit of the New World Order who have a noose around our necks. What do you think the digital money system is? They have a God Damned Nerve and deserve to be hanging from a gibbet along the Highway!

    Finally, as I gaze upon the faces of Claus Schwab and Soros, my conclusion is that they are hopelessly mentally sick. They will throw you in an oven without batting an eyelash. Their conscience is embalmed in hades.

    Consider that those who occupy the seats of power in the world nearly all belong to some Lodge or Order in which, beyond a certain level, you are pledged by action to participate in hideous Satanism which is very likely photographed so that they have a criminal charge against you if you fail to keep in their line. The people who run for office successfully have been preselected and backed by large sums of money by these same organizations and/or their members. Therefore, the people do not actually ELECT ANY REPRESENTATIVES, who, when they get into office, turn their backs on the people and do the orders of The New World Order. Also, the VOTING MACHINES, it appears, have been placed all over the world to perform the New World Order's bidding. Therefore, YOU ACTUALLY DO NOT HAVE THE VOTE! It is time to remove the New World Order and their SPACE PROGRAM. They have lied to all of us about the fact that the other habitable planets in our solar system and elsewhere are presently INHABITED BY HUMANS. We are merely experimental animals in their laboratory and when the experiment is finished, we are exterminated one way or another and given a cock and bull story about Wars (which they have generated) and Global Disasters.
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