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    Something I've noticed about myself and others, that is not considered as far as I know, is the almost magical effects of many drugs the first time they are used. For most drugs that seems to wear off quickly. For others, a slight interval of non-use brings back the surging beneficial results. It could be tied to the placebo effect. (placebo is the most effective treatment there is, giving, on average, 30% relief for any ailment - unfortunately, it is a short-lived effect){it works on the power of mind to heal but also points to the vacillating, inconsistent, nature of human thought}
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    Quote Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
    Something I've noticed about myself and others, that is not considered as far as I know, is the almost magical effects of many drugs the first time they are used. For most drugs that seems to wear off quickly. For others, a slight interval of non-use brings back the surging beneficial results. It could be tied to the placebo effect. (placebo is the most effective treatment there is, giving, on average, 30% relief for any ailment - unfortunately, it is a short-lived effect){it works on the power of mind to heal but also points to the vacillating, inconsistent, nature of human thought}
    Ah, the nocebo effect—placebo's mischievous twin. You know, in the world of medical wonders, the placebo effect gets all the limelight. It's like, "Here, have this sugar pill, think happy thoughts, and voila, you feel better!" But then there's the nocebo effect, the Debbie Downer of the duo. It's when someone, armed with a belief that something harmless will harm them, actually starts feeling worse. It's like expecting a bad movie sequel to be terrible, and surprise, it actually is!

    Now, how often does this happen? Well, it's like trying to catch a gremlin. You know it's there, but it's tricky to pin down. The nocebo effect isn't as popular or well-studied as its optimistic sibling, placebo. But it's real and lurking in the shadows of medicine. The frequency? It's a mixed bag. Like, some people might take a harmless pill and start conjuring up side effects that would make a soap opera writer blush.

    What's fascinating is what's behind the curtain of the nocebo effect. It's a blend of your expectations, the power of suggestion (thanks, Dr. Google), and perhaps a dash of past experiences. If your doctor grimly says, "This might hurt a bit," some people's brains go, "Okay, let's turn this into a horror show!"

    The nocebo effect is a reminder of the mind's power in health and illness, a real-life example of "think bad, feel bad." It's like your brain's own production of a psychological thriller, where you're both the hero and the villain. Spooky, right?

    So, there you have it—a glimpse into the darker, twistier side of how our beliefs and expectations can shape our health experiences. Remember, the mind can be a powerful healer, but sometimes, it can also be a bit of a drama queen.

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    What if I told you that Ivermectin allows heart muscle cells to more efficiently create energy — even when depleted of oxygen (as would happen with intense exercise).
    I wonder if it would help someone with COPD? A few of my friends have developed this problem after a lifetime of smoking.
    I don't know about ivermectin for COPD, but I do believe that NAC is a really big help. I even found some medical journal studies reporting that NAC has been found to actually reverse COPD somewhat, despite the common belief that it is irreversible. (I will see if I can find those studies again.)
    Several months ago I donated a bottle of NAC to my friend who has COPD but he refused to take it. "You can lead a dog to water..."

    I also pointed him to an article [written by a man who had COPD] which maintains that high dosage vitamin D3 cured his COPD. (I see no problem in trying that. The symptoms of vitamin D3 overdose are well documented and reversible.) Again, he's not interested because I'm not a doctor. It doesn't help that he's dyslexic and struggles to read. Also he's 85 and computer illiterate/afraid. I just think to myself, "well, he's had a good innings".

    (Thanks for correcting the quote layers, Bill. I also inserted [missing] words!)
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    FDA Retracts its Lies about Ivermectin

    The FDA repeatedly stated that Ivermectin was only a "horse dewormer" and should not be used to treat covid. Thousands probably died because of this.

    https://pierrekorymedicalmusings.com...s-because-they
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    FDA Retracts its Lies about Ivermectin

    The FDA repeatedly stated that Ivermectin was only a "horse dewormer" and should not be used to treat covid. Thousands probably died because of this.

    https://pierrekorymedicalmusings.com...s-because-they
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    https://x.com/PierreKory/status/1771...264567407?s=20



    Today we achieved a monumental victory against the FDA in a court of law and proved the FDA's attempts to cut off the public's access to ivermectin during COVID were illegal.

    Here I explain the case and why we must never let the FDA do this again.

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    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...l-stop-it-post

    FDA Settles Ivermectin Case, Agrees To Remove Controversial 'Stop It' Post

    BY TYLER DURDEN
    FRIDAY, MAR 22, 2024 - 10:00 PM
    Authored by Zachary Steiber via The Epoch Times (emphasis ours),

    The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has agreed to remove social media posts and webpages that urged people to stop taking ivermectin to treat COVID-19, according to a settlement dated March 21.



    The FDA has already removed a page that said: “Should I take ivermectin to prevent or treat COVID-19? No.”

    Within 21 days, the FDA will remove another page titled, “why you should not use ivermectin to treat or prevent COVID-19,” according to the settlement announcement, which was filed with federal court in southern Texas.

    “The FDA has not authorized or approved ivermectin for use in preventing or treating COVID-19 in humans or animals,” the page currently states. It also says that data do not show ivermectin is effective against COVID-19, despite how some studies it cites show ivermectin is effective against the illness.

    The FDA in the settlement is also agreeing to delete multiple social media posts that came out strongly against ivermectin, including one that stated: “You are not a horse. You are not a cow. Seriously, y’all. Stop it.”

    In exchange, doctors who sued the agency are dismissing their claims, the filing states.

    “FDA loses its war on ivermectin and agrees to remove all social media posts and consumer directives regarding ivermectin and COVID, including its most popular tweet in FDA history,” Dr. Mary Talley Bowden, one of the doctors, said in a statement. “This landmark case sets an important precedent in limiting FDA overreach into the doctor-patient relationship.”

    “We are extremely pleased with the outcome of the settlement as it is a victory for every doctor and patient in the United States,” added Dr. Paul Marik, chief scientific officer of the FLCCC Alliance and another plaintiff. “The FDA interfered in the practice of medicine with their irresponsible language and posts about ivermectin. We will never know how many lives were affected because patients were denied access to a lifesaving treatment because their doctor was ‘just following the FDA.’”

    An FDA spokesperson told The Epoch Times in an email that the agency “has chosen to resolve this lawsuit rather than continuing to litigate over statements that are between two and nearly four years old.”

    “FDA has not admitted any violation of law or any wrongdoing, disagrees with the plaintiffs’ allegation that the agency exceeded its authority in issuing the statements challenged in the lawsuit, and stands by its authority to communicate with the public regarding the products it regulates,” the spokesperson said. “FDA has not changed its position that currently available clinical trial data do not demonstrate that ivermectin is effective against COVID-19. The agency has not authorized or approved ivermectin for use in preventing or treating COVID-19.”

    Ivermectin was approved by the FDA in 1996 to treat several conditions, including onchocerciasis, a tropical disease caused by a parasitic worm.

    In the United States, it’s common for doctors to prescribe medicine off-label, or for a different purpose than the one for which the medicine is approved.

    After some doctors began prescribing ivermectin for COVID-19, the FDA ramped up its campaign, including the Aug. 21, 2021, post on Twitter, now known as X.

    Dr. Bowden and two other doctors sued the FDA, arguing the agency’s actions went beyond its authority, as conferred on it by Congress.

    U.S. District Judge Jeffrey Brown dismissed the case in 2022, ruling that the FDA did not act outside the authority. But an appeals court in 2023 ruled in favor of the doctors, finding that the agency “has identified no authority allowing it to recommend consumers ‘stop’ taking medicine.”

    Between the time of the ruling and the settlement, the FDA refused to change any of its statements on ivermectin, and asked for a fresh dismissal of the suit.

    The Case

    Drs. Robert Apter, Bowden, and Marik brought the case in 2022. They said they suffered repercussions after prescribing ivermectin to patients with COVID-19, and that the FDA was to blame.

    Dr. Apter, for instance, said that pharmacists refused to fill the prescriptions, citing the FDA.

    “This refusal delays his patients in obtaining their prescribed treatment—when early intervention is paramount—while they look for a pharmacy to fill their prescription, if they can find one at all,” the suit states.

    He also said that insurance companies were refusing to pay for ivermectin to treat COVID-19.

    The suit said the FDA illegally interfered with the relationships between the doctors and patients. The doctors said with regard to ivermectin, the FDA overstepped the authority conferred on it in the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act.

    Government lawyers argued that the FDA was acting within the confines of the law, and succeeded in getting the dismissal.

    Judge Brown, appointed under President Donald Trump, said the FDA’s powers were only limited with regard to medical devices.

    “As there is no statute limiting the FDA’s actions here, it cannot have acted outside of any statutory limitations,” he wrote in his ruling. “Further, it cannot be said that the FDA had no colorable basis of authority. The FDA is charged by Congress with protecting public health and ensuring that regulated medical products are safe and effective, among other things.”

    A three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit disagreed, finding that the law did not authorize the FDA to give medical advice.

    “FDA can inform, but it has identified no authority allowing it to recommend consumers ‘stop’ taking medicine,” U.S. Circuit Judge Don Willett, appointed under President Trump, wrote for the court. The appeals court remanded the case back to the district court.

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    I'm not a great fan of Russell Brand but he's hit the mark here:

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    IVERMECTIN and CANCER Part 2 - Treating Turbo Cancer - 7 new studies released in 2024 show Ivermectin works against CANCER - suggested PROTOCOLS for COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine Induced Turbo Cancers
    https://makismd.substack.com/p/iverm...art-2-treating

    Last year I published one of the most popular articles on Ivermectin and Cancer Treatment ever published, which went viral internationally:
    (Oct.2, 2023) - IVERMECTIN and CANCER, it has at least 15 anti-cancer mechanisms of action. Can Ivermectin Treat COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine Induced Turbo Cancers? - 9 Ivermectin papers reviewed

    2024 - NEW STUDIES!
    • (2024 Fan et al) - Ivermectin Inhibits Bladder Cancer Cell Growth and Induces Oxidative Stress and DNA Damage

    • (2024 Man-Yuan Li et al) - Ivermectin induces nonprotective autophagy by downregulating PAK1 and apoptosis in lung adenocarcinoma cells

    • (2024 Kaur et al) - Ivermectin: A Multifaceted drug with a potential beyond anti-parasitic therapy

    • (2024 Xing Hu et al) - Ivermectin as a potential therapeutic strategy for glioma

    • (2024 Yang Song et al) - Gene signatures to therapeutics: Assessing the potential of ivermectin against t(4;14) multiple myeloma

    • (2024 Goldfarb et al) - Lipid-Restricted Culture Media Reveal Unexpected Cancer Cell Sensitivities

    • (2024 Newell et al) - Therapeutic targeting of nuclear export and import receptors in cancer and their potential in combination chemotherapy


    PRACTICAL APPROACH TO USING IVERMECTIN IN CANCER TREATMENT (Disclaimer: the following is not medical advice)

    In “Ivermectin and Cancer Part 1”, I covered all the mechanisms of action that Ivermectin has shown against cancer in many in vitro and in vivo studies.

    The 7 new studies published in 2024 only confirm what we already know from previous studies. Ivermectin is highly effective against many cancers.

    Since my previous Ivermectin article, I‘ve had 1000s of questions sent to me. Not about mechanisms of action against Cancer. But about practical use - how to use Ivermectin to treat Stage 4 Cancers, what formulations, what doses?

    The goal of this article (Part 2) is to answer all of those questions to the best of my ability.

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    Texas Woman Reveals How She Snuck Ivermectin Into Hospital to Save Her Dying Father
    Matthew Lysiak - 4/16/2024



    An enterprising Texas woman says she found a way to save her father, whose condition was worsening after being hospitalized for COVID-19, by sneaking him small bags of ivermectin—which at the time were prohibited in most hospitals—through the inside components of a laptop computer.

    Amy Williams, 50, a resident of Bellevue, told the Epoch Times that she had no choice but to employ the cloak and dagger maneuver shortly after her then 78-year-old father was admitted to Memorial Hermann-Texas Medical Center in December 2021.

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    WARNING !

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    Looking 4 Healing Radio - Apr 27, 2024

    Dr Ardis was just getting excited about Indian Cow Urine therapy when his buddy Dr Ealy said wow not so fast and told him about recent discoveries of nano tech being found in products coming out of India, including Indian produced Ivermectin !
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    For all Ivermectin fans . . . it works to stop "covid" in exactly the same way Nicotine does. It hogs the same receptors that the venom peptides need to get at.


    Chris Cuomo Makes Ivermectin About-Face After Denouncing Its Use for COVID: ‘I Am Now Taking a Regular Dose’

    “Joe Rogan was right,” says the former anchor for CNN, where he once said its proponents “need to be called out and shamed”

    https://www.thewrap.com/chris-cuomo-...ose-joe-rogan/




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    Quote Posted by norman (here)
    For all Ivermectin fans . . . it works to stop "covid" in exactly the same way Nicotine does. It hogs the same receptors that the venom peptides need to get at.


    Chris Cuomo Makes Ivermectin About-Face After Denouncing Its Use for COVID: ‘I Am Now Taking a Regular Dose’

    “Joe Rogan was right,” says the former anchor for CNN, where he once said its proponents “need to be called out and shamed”

    https://www.thewrap.com/chris-cuomo-...ose-joe-rogan/




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    "This is insane" . . . . . no it's not, if you think about it. Cuomo is still being a deceptive shilling piece of ****. They are now putting nano-tec in the Imermectin.
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    not only inside ivermectin but on all sorts of medicines, I had an accident weeks ago, basically I am glad to be alive, was very close to the abyss, as some says when you look to the abyss, it look back to you, and if you are strong enough it will set you free, almost a broken neck, I had to take some very strong painkillers and nerve pain relief, which is basically the same crap, + anti-inflammatory and calcium for the nerves. All theses meds from a new lab, nothing that I know or heard about before, when I asked the orthopedic Dr. about the meds, he just said, "these got nano tech, works better than the old ones".. humm I see. I think I ingested some of these crap for a week, it helped with my neck pain, but I got some gross side effects, like blurry vision, and stomach issues.. so I am not taking it anymore, it says in the box that the meds is 90% eliminated through the urine, but it does not say anything about the other 10%, is it the nano tech that remains in the body?

    Here is some real life situation, got into an accident and need the meds, if I didn't take it, probably I would have a huge inflammatory issue and it can lead to many other problems.. now I need to know if I got some nano bots inside my body or not!! Maybe water fasting will help to eliminate everything.. kinda of freaking out now.

    These bastards put their dirty hands on everything, it is disgusting folks.

    [sorry for the off-topic]
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    These bastards put their dirty hands on everything, it is disgusting folks.
    They burnt at least two plants that made Ivermectin ( no idea what else they made in those plants ) so then the market would support opening replacement plants ( anywhere in the world ) that could be configured for adding nano-tec to the products ?

    Then apply that same thought to all the food processing plants that have burnt to the ground, or hit by aeroplanes or blown up.
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    These bastards put their dirty hands on everything, it is disgusting folks.
    They burnt at least two plants that made Ivermectin ( no idea what else they made in those plants ) so then the market would support opening replacement plants ( anywhere in the world ) that could be configured for adding nano-tec to the products ?

    Then apply that same thought to all the food processing plants that have burnt to the ground, or hit by aeroplanes or blown up.


    Usually these plants produce a variety of products, so you get traces of this and that with products, I once contacted a few where they produce whey/casein protein I was thinking in selling that crap for fitness enthusiasts, but quickly changed my mind after learn how it is made and not even mentioning that these proteins cause lots of inflammation in the body.. marketing is king I know, followed by the new standard label "backed by science". Sales for sure

    I think they are already adding nano tech on several products, since early 2000s when nano tech became more popular and there was more line of research available elsewhere, so the development of it really kicked in. But how can we prove that? we just can't unless we sneak into their business like I was doing in my adventure trying to find manufacturers in China and elsewhere specifically for protein, I remember there was a document saying something like 0.01% traces of this and that.. in some occasion there was peanuts and soy with the whey (which is made from milk), so they run diverse products in the same plant that is for sure, but depends on what is this and that even 0.0001% can be fatal or very least cause some issues, who knows, all these things selling in China comes with a document that "proves" it was tested against many bacteria and it is clean for consumers.

    Don't believe what I say, but that is pretty much my experience, a lab/plant can be used to manufacture many things and there will always be traces of something else with the final product.
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    This was posted on Zero Hedge yesterday. (originally from the Epoch Times)
    Court Lets Lawsuit over Refusal to Give Dying Woman Ivermectin Proceed

    A court has rejected a hospital system’s claim that its refusal to continue giving ivermectin to a dying woman was covered by federal law, stating that the law does not apply to the actions in question

    Mount Sinai South Nassau in New York City was twice forced to give COVID-19 patient Deborah Bucko, who was close to death after the system’s normal treatment failed, ivermectin under court order. Mrs. Bucko’s condition improved after she began taking ivermectin.

    However, the system stopped the second round of treatment before the prescription ended, and Mrs. Bucko then died.

    (... the article continues)

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    This may be useful to some, a sponsored post by The Wellness Company (headed by Dr Peter McCullough) on Zero Hedge today. I'll not copy it here as it's promotional, but it really could be a valuable resource if anyone's in real trouble.

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    How to get Ivermectin made in the USA

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    HCQ has so many beneficial effects along with Ivermectin.


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    Dr. Richard Urso about Hydroxychloroquine (original video on Rumble).

    https://rumble.com/v595ddx-dr.-richa...loroquine.html

    I take this stuff. Maybe we should have a separate discussion thread for HCQ? Or maybe we already have one.

    Source: https://www.rumble.com/video/v56t4th
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    Quote Posted by John Hilton (here)
    Dr. Richard Urso about Hydroxychloroquine (original video on Rumble).

    https://rumble.com/v595ddx-dr.-richa...loroquine.html

    I take this stuff. Maybe we should have a separate discussion thread for HCQ? Or maybe we already have one.
    We don't seem to have any existing hydroxychloroquine thread, and if it's half as good as this Dr. Richard Urso says it is, we well should have such a thread.
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