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    Default Abiogenic Deep Origin of Hydrocarbons and Oil and Gas Deposits Formation | Vladimir G. Kutcherov (published 2013)

    For the more scientifically minded and especially those with an expertise in geophysical activity, this may be of interest. It would also appeal to those of us who maintain that the 'fossil fuel' narrative needs reappraising somewhat.

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    ""The theory of the abiogenic deep origin of hydrocarbons recognizes that the petroleum is a primordial material of deep origin [Kutcherov, Krayushkin 2010]. This theory explains that hydrocarbon compounds generate in the asthenosphere of the Earth and migrate through the deep faults into the crust of the Earth. There they form oil and gas deposits in any kind of rock in any kind of the structural position (Fig. 1). Thus the accumulation of oil and gas is considered as a part of the natural process of the Earth’s outgrassing, which was in turn responsible for creation of its hydrosphere, atmosphere and biosphere. Until recently the obstacles to accept the theory of the abyssal abiogenic origin of hydrocarbons was the lack of the reliable and reproducible experimental results confirming the possibility of the synthesis of complex hydrocarbon systems under the conditions of the asthenosphere of the Earth."
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    Source: https://www.intechopen.com/chapters/41889

    Submitted: 19 November 2011 Published: 16 January 2013

    DOI: 10.5772/51549

    Abiogenic Deep Origin of Hydrocarbons and Oil and Gas Deposits Formation

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    Hydrocarbon | Edited by Vladimir Kutcherov and Anton Kolesnikov
    Milestones of the theory of abiogenic deep origin of hydrocarbons
    According to the theory of the abyssal abiogenic origin of hydrocarbons the following conditions are necessary for the synthesis of hydrocarbons:

    - adequately high pressure and temperature;

    - donors/sources of carbon and hydrogen;

    - a thermodynamically favorable reaction environment.

    Theoretical calculations based on methods of modern statistical thermodynamics have established that:

    - polymerization of hydrocarbons takes place in the temperature range 600-1500 degrees C and at pressures range of 20-70 kbar [Kenney et al., 2002];

    - these conditions prevail deep in the Earth at depths of 70-250 km [Carlson et al. 2005].
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    Default Re: Abiogenic Deep Origin of Hydrocarbons and Oil and Gas Deposits Formation | Vladimir G. Kutcherov (published 2013)

    I've often wondered what part-formed oil from decomposing organic matter looks like. Anyone ever seen it? Apparently the internet hasn't.



    According to this short paper, "While we do not have direct evidence to fully outline the complete journey organic material takes to become petroleum, there is at least a consensus among most modern geochemists regarding the biological origins of oil. It may be difficult to even find such evidence as the heat and pressure needed for oil production destroy much of the source rocks we could directly use to verify our theories."


    http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2022/ph240/ashai1/


    The narrative of scarcity on this planet wouldn't be so powerful if fossil fuels were proven to be something else. It would raise serious questions about the history of Earth too.
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    Default Re: Abiogenic Deep Origin of Hydrocarbons and Oil and Gas Deposits Formation | Vladimir G. Kutcherov (published 2013)

    Quote Posted by Tintin (here)
    For the more scientifically minded and especially those with an expertise in geophysical activity, this may be of interest. It would also appeal to those of us who maintain that the 'fossil fuel' narrative needs reappraising somewhat.
    The article also heavily relies on Plate tectonic subduction theory.. wich (IMO) is questionable and still not fully explored, chat GPT thinks this:

    Quote The theory of an expanding Earth stands in contrast to the widely accepted theory of tectonic plate subduction. Here are some key aspects and historical developments of the expanding Earth hypothesis:

    1. **Early Concepts and Hypotheses**: Charles Darwin, during his voyage on the HMS Beagle in 1834, hypothesized that the uplift of South America required the gradual expansion of some central mass of the Earth, a concept he later abandoned. In the late 19th and early 20th centuries, Roberto Mantovani published a hypothesis of Earth expansion and continental drift, suggesting that thermal expansion broke a single landmass into smaller continents, which then drifted apart due to further expansion【15†source】.

    2. **Theory of Thermal Cycles**: Irish physicist John Joly and British geologist Arthur Holmes proposed a hypothesis where Earth loses heat through cycles of expansion, causing cracks and joints in Earth's interior to fill with magma. This expansion was followed by a cooling phase, where Earth would shrink back【16†source】.

    3. **Aether and Mass Addition**: Ivan Osipovich Yarkovsky in 1888 and others like Ott Christoph Hilgenberg and Nikola Tesla proposed theories based on the absorption and transformation of aether-energy into normal matter, causing celestial bodies to expand【17†source】.

    4. **Samuel Warren Carey's Advocacy**: In the mid-20th century, Australian geologist Samuel Warren Carey advocated the expansion theory, arguing that subduction and other events could not balance sea-floor spreading at oceanic ridges. He suggested that mass increase in planets could be explained by cosmological processes related to the expansion of the universe【18†source】.

    5. **Contradictions to Modern Science**: The expanding Earth hypothesis lacks a plausible and verifiable mechanism of action. The current scientific consensus, based on plate tectonics, rejects significant Earth expansion or contraction. Measurements using high-precision geodetic techniques, imaging of lithosphere fragments within the mantle, and paleomagnetic data all support the stability of Earth's size and contradict the expanding Earth theory【21†source】.

    In summary, while the expanding Earth theory has historical roots and various formulations, it is not supported by current scientific evidence and is largely contradicted by the well-established theory of plate tectonics.

    as far as the origin of a hydrocarbon chain (HcHcHcHcHc) like oil... the above makes vastly more sense than the clearly "scarcity economy" motivated "fossil fuel" nonsense.
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