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    “Ukraine is not Russia”

    Former Ukrainian President Leonid Kuchma has warned that the USA "will lose face in front of the whole world if it gives up on Kiev"

    The interview was given in connection with the release of a new edition of the book "Ukraine is not Russia".

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    Looks like either Zelensky manages to get funding from the states or there is a high likelihood he will be assassinated.

    Russia has already won the war. It is only a question of how many more bodies Ukraine decides to sacrifice first.


    The US cannot hope to win a war against Russia. Without approval of Congress, it will be another illegal war that will have to rely heavily on the manipulation of public opinion.
    Chances are high that America gets its nose bloodied in the attempt, maybe worse.
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    Interesting analysis. The theory is that US intelligence foresaw that Russia would cyberattack critical systems in Kiev, so they decided to have Zelensky over in Washington for his safety. (Personally, I'm not so sure they really want to keep Zelensky 'safe' at this time.) But the cyber attacks on Kiev systems are puzzling, because I haven't seen reports of that anywhere else. On the other hand, that's something Russia is quite adept at, having done it a number of times already. So, perhaps not something that merits too much specific attention during wartime. Just my guess.

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    WW3 INFO – Britain has only 150 tanks left - The Wall Street Journal

    "Alarm grows over weakened militaries and empty arsenals in Europe.

    The British military - the leading US military ally and Europe's biggest defense spender - has only about 150 tanks and perhaps a dozen serviceable long-range artillery pieces.

    France, the next biggest spender, has less than 90 heavy artillery units.

    Denmark has no heavy artillery, no submarines, no air defense systems.

    And the German army only has enough ammunition for two days of intense fighting." - The article says.

    *Europe has been so defeated and destroyed thanks to Ukraine, that it may now lose a military conflict to Hamas as well.

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    And no one in EU or the member nations could run those numbers until now? The truth is the leaders of Western nations are using Ukraine and incompetence to cover their planned destruction of their own nations.
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    Quote ... to cover their planned destruction of their own nations.
    ... and so, they put up with a deadly clown show while busy undermining everything...

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    Ukrainian trial demonstrates 2014 Maidan massacre was false flag December 11, 2023



    A massacre of protesters during the 2014 Maidan coup set the stage for the ouster of Ukraine’s elected president, Viktor Yanukovych. Now, an explosive trial in Kiev has produced evidence the killings were a false flag designed to trigger regime change.

    Two police officers charged with the mass shooting of opposition protesters in Kiev’s Maidan Square in 2014 have been released after a Ukrainian court determined the fatal shots in the infamous massacre were fired from an opposition-controlled building.

    On October 18 2023, Ukraine’s Sviatoshyn District Court determined that of the five officers on trial, one would be acquitted outright, while another was sentenced to time served for alleged “abuse of power.”

    The remaining three, who no longer live in Ukraine, were convicted in absentia on 31 counts of murder and 44 counts of attempted murder. This, under a Supreme Court opinion stipulating suspects can be held collectively responsible for the actions of a group deemed criminal.

    The verdict means no one will face jail time, or be in any way punished for their alleged role in the infamous Maidan massacre, which saw over 100 protesters killed, triggered an avalanche of international condemnation and led directly to the downfall of President Viktor Yanukovych, who fled the country mere days later.

    The trial began in Kiev in 2016, but the case languished for years. Matters were further complicated in 2019, when Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky traded all five of the accused for prisoners held by Donbas separatists. Two subsequently returned on a voluntary basis to have their day in court.

    Unsurprisingly, the verdict has triggered outrage among victims’ families, and prosecution lawyers say they plan to appeal. By contrast, the mainstream media has so far remained eerily indifferent. In an apparent attempt to distort the trial’s outcome, several outlets — including Reuters — simply referred to the court “sentencing” the officers in their headlines. The Kyiv Post went as far as falsely claiming all five had been found “guilty” of “Maidan crimes.”

    But there is more to the story than these outlets have let on. As even the Western-funded Kyiv Independent acknowledged, “a former top investigator” previously tasked with probing the massacre said the verdict followed years of deliberate sabotage by Ukrainian authorities, who “have done their best to make sure there are no real results.”

    The question of why officials in Kiev would seek to sabotage the probe has been largely ignored by legacy media outlets. But the verdict offers some highly revealing clues.

    ‘Unknown persons’ behind killing

    Littered throughout the 1,000,000 word document are passages demonstrating conclusively that the sniper fire emanated from buildings controlled by the opposition to Yanukovych. Collectively, these excerpts strongly suggest the Maidan massacre was a false flag carried out by nationalist elements who aimed to ensure the president’s ouster.

    The evidence “was quite sufficient to conclude categorically that on the morning of February 20, 2014, persons with weapons, from which the shots were fired, were in the premises of the Hotel Ukraina,” the court found.

    Another section reveals “Hotel Ukraina” was “territory… not controlled by law enforcement agencies at that time.” Numerous video recordings show that before, during, and after the massacre, the building was overrun by the far-right opposition party Svoboda, whose leaders used the premises to coordinate their anti-Yanukovych activities on the streets below.

    In at least 28 of the 128 shootings considered during the trial, the court ruled that whether “due to the lack of information, the incompleteness or contradictory nature of the submitted data,” the “involvement of law enforcement officers has not been proven,” and that “other unknown persons cannot be ruled out.”

    Furthermore, the verdict effectively ruled out any involvement of Russian security and intelligence services in the massacre, a conspiracy theory promoted heavily by pro-Maidan elements.

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    Platoon formed from ex-Wagner PMC fighters carries out first assault near Artyomovsk 12 Dec

    According to the platoon commander, the positions taken will help develop further progress in this sector of the line of contact

    MOSCOW, December 12. /TASS/. A platoon dubbed Kamerton (Tuning Fork) consisting of fighters from the now-defunct Wagner Private Military Company (PMC), who had been incorporated into the ranks of the Akhmat special forces group, has carried out a successful assault on a Ukrainian-occupied elevated point near the western outskirts of Artyomovsk, the platoon commander, who goes by the call sign "Press," told TASS.

    "Prior to this, it was everyday routine [frontline activities] - reconnaissance and fire strikes. Yet, this was precisely an assault on a key elevated point in this sector directly by the Kamerton platoon with support from the 4th brigade. In six minutes, Kamerton’s assault groups entered the elevated point and engaged in combat in a trench. They wiped out the enemy and opened up space for the operations of their neighboring platoons," the commander said.

    According to him, the positions taken will help develop further progress in this sector of the line of contact. "The 4th brigade and other Russian forces in this area are being covered by Kamerton’s artillery," he clarified.

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    Moscow brushes off ‘empty’ Zelensky visit to Washington 13 Dec, 2023

    “Everyone is tired of the Kievan beggarman,” the Russian ambassador said of the outcome

    Moscow perceives Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky’s Tuesday visit to Washington as inconsequential for the outcome of the conflict, Russian Ambassador to the US Anatoly Antonov has said.

    Maria Zakharova, the spokeswoman for the Russian Foreign Ministry, compared Zelensky with a very specific type of person begging for help, when she said during a press briefing on Tuesday that he was going to the US to “sharomyzhnichat.”

    The Russian verb is mockingly said to stem from the French phrase “cher ami,” which means “dear friend.” According to legend, soldiers who couldn’t keep up with Napoleon’s retreating army would say these words when pleading for food and shelter from Russians. Peasants who didn’t know French came up with the term, and it stuck.

    Zakharova also rebuked US Secretary of State Antony Blinken, who last week argued the Biden administration’s case for Ukraine by claiming that 90% of the money allocated for Kiev in the past was actually spent in the US, creating jobs in arms production and other parts of the economy. He called it “a win-win that we need to continue.”

    “Maybe you should have invested all 100% into the US and left Ukraine alone?” Zakharova suggested.

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    Timofey Bordachev: The EU is now dealing with the consequences of its huge strategic failure 13 Dec, 2023

    The bloc tried and failed to become an independent global power, now its chickens have come home to roost

    Whether many of us in Russia are prepared to admit it or not, the European Union’s place in international politics will inevitably become an important issue of both theoretical and practical significance. For the great powers, the urgency of this question is determined by what they associate with Western Europe in their own plans and, consequently, where they are likely to be disappointed. In the case of the US, the bloc’s strategic importance is determined by its ability to contain Russia with at least partial self-reliance.

    For Russia itself, the EU is a potential “weak link” in the united coalition of the West, led by the US, which threatens the interests and survival of the Russian state. A similar position is held by China, whose authorities also expect American influence in Europe to decline over time, allowing Beijing to retain access to some Western technologies and markets in the face of an inevitable “divorce” from the Americans. From India’s point of view, the EU is a less demanding partner than the US in modernizing the Indian economy and solving some of its national development challenges.

    At the same time, it is difficult to speak of genuine sympathy for Western Europeans on the part of any of their global partners. In these foreign policy circumstances, the EU’s leading countries are faced with the prospect of gradually becoming frontier territories that all the opposing global players will regard as nothing more than a political or economic resource base. The question is whether Western Europeans can stop moving in this direction and, more importantly, whether they need to show more individualism in world affairs.

    In words, as we know, the intentions of the leading EU countries (first and foremost Germany and France) have not changed much compared to the “golden” years of the development of their independent strategic project of European integration. As in the 1990s and 2000s, Berlin and Paris talk with varying intensity about their desire to play an independent role in world affairs. But even they admit that the chances of realizing such plans have now seriously diminished. And it may soon become clear that Western Europe will indeed find itself in the situation that most closely matches the predictions of the greatest skeptics. In other words, the actual position of the EU in world politics is increasingly in line with how we might see it in terms of abstract assessments of its relationship with the US and its ability to act independently.

    continue: https://swentr.site/news/588995-eu-c...tegic-failure/

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    "Having taken Marinka, the Russian army advanced 2 km to the village of Pobeda
    ▪️South of Marinka, Russian troops advanced with battles in an area up to 5 km wide to a depth of up to 2 km, recognizing the enemy’s resources.
    ▪️The Russian Armed Forces are moving towards Pobeda, Paraskoveevka and Novomikhailovka.
    ▪️In the southern outskirts of Novomikhailovka, ours are actively attacking, pushing back the Ukrainian Armed Forces."

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    https://x.com/MoonofA/status/1734955883967197613


    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/12/us-military-has-more-unfeasable-plans-for-ukraine.html

    U.S. Military has more Unfeasible Plans for Ukraine

    Yesterday the Biden administration 'declassified' laughable numbers about alleged Russian losses. It did not help. Zelenski's mission to get more money from Congress has failed:
    Following a roughly 30-minute meeting with Zelensky – their first one-on-one encounter – House Speaker Mike Johnson said the Biden administration’s response to congressional Republicans’ demands has been “insufficient,” and reiterated his stance that a deal remains unlikely without a “transformative change” at the border.
    The Republicans also asked the White House for its strategy in Ukraine. But as the New York Times reported yesterday, there is none.

    U.S. and Ukraine Search for a New Strategy After Failed Counteroffensive
    American and Ukrainian military leaders are searching for a new strategy that they can begin executing early next year to revive Kyiv’s fortunes and flagging support for the country’s war against Russia, according to U.S. and Ukrainian officials.
    ...
    The United States is stepping up the face-to-face military advice it provides to Ukraine, dispatching a three-star general to Kyiv to spend considerable time on the ground. U.S. and Ukrainian military officers say they hope to work out the details of a new strategy next month in a series of war games scheduled to be held in Wiesbaden, Germany.
    That the counter-offensive had failed has been obvious since mid of June. A reason for the failure were fake war-games during which the parameters were skewed until the games showed that Ukraine would win:
    Logic dictates that any responsible use of the KORA simulation system would have predicted the failure of the 47th Brigade’s attack. According to The Washington Post, the officers of the 47th Brigade “planned their assaults and then let the [KORA] program show them the results – how their Russian enemies might respond, where they could make a breakthrough and where they would suffer losses.” The KORA simulation allowed the Ukrainian officers to coordinate their actions “to test how they’d work together on the battlefield.”
    Given that the Ukrainian force structure was insufficient to accomplish the mission-critical task of suppression, there was no chance for the Ukrainian forces to accomplish the actual assault requirements of a breaching operation – the destruction of enemy forces on the opposite side of the obstacle barrier being breached. The Ukrainians, however, came away from their KORA experience confident that they had crafted a winning plan capable of overcoming the Russian defenses in and around Orekhov.
    When one examines the structure of a KORA-based simulation, it becomes clear that the system is completely dependent upon the various inputs which define the simulation as a whole.
    Now the U.S. is sending one of its generals to take command of the Ukrainian army and will launch more war games. To what outcome will their parameters be skewed.

    Apparently the time since late June was insufficient to come up with a new strategy for Ukraine. This will not do:
    Some in the U.S. military want Ukraine to pursue a “hold and build” strategy — to focus on holding the territory it has and building its ability to produce weapons over 2024. The United States believes the strategy will improve Ukraine’s self-sufficiency and ensure Kyiv is in a position to repel any new Russian drive. The goal would be to create enough of a credible threat that Russia might consider engaging in meaningful negotiations at the end of next year or in 2025.
    At the same time, Ukrainian officials are examining strategies that build on their successful deep strikes on Crimea last fall. They are searching for creative ways to keep Russia off balance with attacks against arms factories, weapons depots and train lines for moving munitions, and to score symbolic victories. One Ukrainian former senior military official declined to discuss the proposals but said the new plan is being refined and is “very daring.”
    The plan is that Ukraine will go into defense mode while committing more terrorism. But why would Russia let Ukraine build real defense lines? Ukraine is starved of artillery ammunition. It does not have the troops to hold all lines.

    And whatever line it can build will break under intensive fire.

    In the Summer of 1943, after German attack on Kursk had failed, the Soviets went into an offensive mode that did not stop until its troops captured Berlin. The German army retreated to defense lines, then retreated again and again - all the way back to Berlin. It took nearly two years, but the outcome was obvious as soon as the attack on Kursk had failed.

    I expect something similar to happen in Ukraine.

    The U.S. is starting its typical mission creep:
    Gen. Christopher G. Cavoli, the top American commander in Europe, has been taking a bigger role in coordinating with Ukrainian officials. The Pentagon has also decided to dispatch Lt. Gen. Antonio A. Aguto Jr., who commands the support of Ukraine from a base in Germany, to spend lengthy periods of time in Kyiv. General Aguto will work more directly with the country’s military leadership to improve the advice the United States is offering, American officials said. While the White House has opted not to have U.S. military advisers in the country permanently, General Aguto’s frequent rotations in and out of Kyiv would inch toward the end of that restriction.
    A three star general does not come alone. He has a full group of staff, dozens, which will now become military advisors on the ground in Ukraine. They will also become priority targets.

    And what do those advisors know about an industrial warfare that Ukraine soldiers do not know. Well, nothing.

    Yves Smith as well as Simplicius have further thoughts on this.

    I for one see no change yet of the trajectory Ukraine is on. It is losing badly while its propaganda is still claiming victory. Consider this from today's Washington Post:
    Loud explosions jolted many residents out of bed around 3 a.m. in central Kyiv, followed by air raid alert sirens a few minutes later. Ukraine’s air force said that antiaircraft defenses shot down all 10 ballistic missiles that were launched at Kyiv. That assertion could not be independently confirmed.
    Multiple missile impacts happened BEFORE the air alarm went on. But the Ukrainian military claims to have shut all incoming missiles down. That does not sound like a plausible time line to me. I, in fact believe that the few air defense system Kiev was give, like its artillery, pretty much out of ammunition.

    With no further aid coming from the U.S., and potentially also not from Europe, it is high time to shut the war down.
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    For most of the warring Ukraine, the main news today is not the situation on the fronts...

    For almost 24 hours, millions of Ukrainians have been in a state of shock. The servers of the largest mobile operator Kyivstar are not working.

    As a result, there are systemic failures in many segments of the country’s economy, incl. and in the banking system.

    Judging by the panicky statements from that side, it is not a fact that the system will be able to be raised earlier than in a week. And even then, it may happen that it will never be able to function fully.

    The largest accident since the existence of such a system in the country. In Kiev, they blame Russian hackers for everything, but there is a version that the issue is a redistribution of business. If this is so, then I am with both hands “for” such “toad viper”.

    P.S. By the way, the Kyivstar network was widely used by the Ukrainian Armed Forces for purely military purposes. So if the blow came from our side, then this, as they say in such cases, is a “legitimate military target.”
    Plus: Pompeo has become a board member of that company (lmao)

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