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    P.S. I just love Mr. Petersons jacket! Appropriately, inappropriate. To Pris, are you a male or a female as your picture suggests? I think the former, and you have an older, wiser mind. Personally, I connect all the DOTS coming up with the truth that the Nazi's are behind all the very rich, players on the board: NWO, WWIII, conquest of North America by NWO UN, Nazi Space Program in all its disguised, wealthy pushers such as Nazis who demanded of the USA they head all Corporations after winning the war against Admiral Byrd in 1953 in Antartica. Musk and his space program: Do not be fooled by clever rhetoric, the genocidal plan to remove the human race from Earth (which I assure you is continuing in disguise), the news that South Africa was given the bomb by the Nazi's (I believe in conjunction with allowing the Aldebarans into the Congo to mine space minerals). Also the prophesy online that after the super volcano is set off in North America, a nuke from space (who has the ability to put it there?) will end all life here. Who was it that gave the approval for the Aldebarans to occupy Africa? Could it have been (1) The Inner Earth Annunaki or (2) The Reptillians and Nazis? or (3) All of the above???

    Now you may say this has nothing to do with Mr. Petersen. I disagree. The DOTS are all out there to be connected. Removal of human rights is just down the road to human genocide.



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    Default Re: Dr. Jordan Peterson Reacts to Court Decision to Take Away His Freedom of Speech

    Another mod note from Bill:

    As the title accurately states, this thread is about the Canadian government's Court Decision to Take Away His (Peterson's) Freedom of Speech. (Take a look above! )

    As I reminded readers yesterday, there's a separate thread about Peterson himself (Jordan Peterson Update), in the Personalities in the Alternative Media section. His jacket, diet, communication style, and anything else about him pesonally can be discussed there.

    This thread is about censorship. The mods don't usually block members from posting on specific threads, but (just a little ironically!) we're nearing the point where we really might have to deploy that here.

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    To stick to the topic, the following might be of interest. As a Canadian citizen, who has seen the enormous "woke" assault on our rights and freedoms in this country, I am deeply concerned. (...think of the truckers' freedom convoy awhile back, and how it got twisted into terrorism, mysogeny, frozen bank accounts and so forth. Even the last surviving minister, responsible for co-authoring the Canadian Charter of Rights was told some time ago by the courts that he was mistaken in its interpretation...) Enough said, I sourced this article of that former ministers blog, Brian Peckford42, in my opinion, as a freedom loving Canadian, it is spot on.



    For Whom The Bell Tolls: Jordan Peterson And Us All !
    AUGUST 26, 2023 / BRIANPECKFORD
    By Barry Bussey

    John Donne’s poem, “For Whom the Bell Tolls” is a fitting analogy for what has occurred to Dr. Jordan Peterson. Indeed, it is a warning to every citizen across the land. I remember still the funeral church bells at my boyhood home in Newfoundland. As Donne so well expressed it,

    Each man’s death diminishes me,

    For I am involved in mankind

    Therefore, send not to knowFor whom the bell tolls,

    It tolls for thee.

    Each bell that tolls reminds us of our own mortality. We are one. As it goes for one it goes for us all.

    Dr. Peterson’s loss in his bid for freedom of expression as a licensed psychologist is a loss for each of us. As it goes for him, so it goes for us. We are one.

    At some point, Canadians must wake up to the reality that our courts are no longer concerned with the protection of Charter rights. It is now exceedingly evident that the myopic focus of our legal authorities is the protection of the administrative state. The bureaucrats increasingly rule us in our day to day living, as they tell us what we can say and not say, think and not think. With every court case they gain the upper hand in the new world of judicial fiction called “Charter values” all for our own good in the “public interest.”

    The term “Charter values” is not found anywhere in our Constitution. It is a judicial creation. Judges in the Peterson case were afraid of the absolute right of freedom of expression exercised by this man of influence. His expression was offensive because, in their view, it violated “Charter values”—not “Charter rights,” but “values.”

    The courts, and their defenders of this legal “values” construct, argue that they are not making any judgement on Peterson’s expression. Instead, they are allowing the bureaucratic regulators of the psychology profession to do their job in ensuring that psychologists are not involved in expressing statements that are “demeaning, degrading, and unprofessional” that “may cause harm” to the specific people the statements are directed at and to the community at large. In other words, it is not the courts but the bureaucrats who make those judgements. All the courts do, they argue, is make sure the bureaucrats have the authority to regulate the professionals in their speech in the “public interest.”

    “Charter values” then is a mechanism whereby the courts can put a governor on those who take their Charter-protected rights too seriously. We all know that there are no absolute rights to do whatever we want. Freedom of expression must be limited. For example, inciting a mob to rip someone from their house and hang them on a tree is not Charter-protected expression. It is a crime.

    The problem with the courts’ use of “Charter values” is that we are left with the dictates of bureaucratic regulators who take it upon themselves to define “public interest” and “Charter values” in a way that defies common sense. Reading the Ontario Divisional Court’s decision, one cannot but be struck by the thought that the bureaucrats that run the College of Psychologists of Ontario are of the view that regulating the profession requires them to ensure that no one is offended by the personal opinions of Dr. Peterson.

    What is also obvious is that these bureaucrats, and by extension the Ontario Divisional Court, are particularly bothered by Peterson’s sarcastic rhetoric. Peterson’s social media comments were referred to show the “reasonableness” of the bureaucratic demand that he undergoes remedial training in social media. Consider the exhibits:

    Peterson responded to two people concerned about over-population with, “You’re free to leave at any point.”

    On Joe Rogan’s podcast he said a client’s complaint was a “pack of lies” and that air pollution causing the death of children, “it’s just poor children, and the world has too many people on it anyways.”

    He called Prime Minister Trudeau’s friend Gerald Butts a “prik.”

    He called Ottawa city councillor Catherine McKenney, who uses they/them pronouns, an “appalling self-righteous moralizing thing.”

    When trans man Elliot Page said he was “proud” to introduce a trans TV character, Peterson tweeted, “Remember when pride was a sin? And Ellen Page just had her breasts removed by a criminal physician.”

    When Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition cover had a plus-sized model, Peterson tweeted, “Sorry. Not Beautiful. And no amount of authoritarian tolerance is going to change that.”

    Well, it seems that the “authoritarian tolerance” of the college bureaucrats, backed by the Divisional Court of Ontario, are indeed out to change Dr. Peterson’s mind that his expression was not in the public interest and certainly not worthy of a member of the psychological fraternity. He violated the judicial construct of “Charter values.”

    You may find Peterson’s sarcasm over the top. You may find it spot on. The question is, “Should professional regulators, and the courts, weigh in on our public musings on social media and remove our professional status for sarcasm?” If you think so, be prepared, for you may well be next.

    The Court bell tolls.

    Therefore, send not to know

    For whom the bell tolls,

    It tolls for thee.


    Barry W. Bussey, Ph.D., is president and CEO of First Freedoms Foundation.

    Source: Epoch Times
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    To stick to the topic, the following might be of interest. As a Canadian citizen, who has seen the enormous "woke" assault on our rights and freedoms in this country, I am deeply concerned. (...think of the truckers' freedom convoy awhile back, and how it got twisted into terrorism, mysogeny, frozen bank accounts and so forth. Even the last surviving minister, responsible for co-authoring the Canadian Charter of Rights was told some time ago by the courts that he was mistaken in its interpretation...) Enough said, I sourced this article of that former ministers blog, Brian Peckford42, in my opinion, as a freedom loving Canadian, it is spot on.



    For Whom The Bell Tolls: Jordan Peterson And Us All !
    AUGUST 26, 2023 / BRIANPECKFORD
    By Barry Bussey

    John Donne’s poem, “For Whom the Bell Tolls” is a fitting analogy for what has occurred to Dr. Jordan Peterson. Indeed, it is a warning to every citizen across the land. I remember still the funeral church bells at my boyhood home in Newfoundland. As Donne so well expressed it,

    Each man’s death diminishes me,

    For I am involved in mankind

    Therefore, send not to knowFor whom the bell tolls,

    It tolls for thee.

    Each bell that tolls reminds us of our own mortality. We are one. As it goes for one it goes for us all.
    Stunningly put, thank you!

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    To stick to the topic, the following might be of interest. As a Canadian citizen, who has seen the enormous "woke" assault on our rights and freedoms in this country, I am deeply concerned. (...think of the truckers' freedom convoy awhile back, and how it got twisted into terrorism, mysogeny, frozen bank accounts and so forth. Even the last surviving minister, responsible for co-authoring the Canadian Charter of Rights was told some time ago by the courts that he was mistaken in its interpretation...) Enough said, I sourced this article of that former ministers blog, Brian Peckford42, in my opinion, as a freedom loving Canadian, it is spot on.



    For Whom The Bell Tolls: Jordan Peterson And Us All !
    AUGUST 26, 2023 / BRIANPECKFORD
    By Barry Bussey

    John Donne’s poem, “For Whom the Bell Tolls” is a fitting analogy for what has occurred to Dr. Jordan Peterson. Indeed, it is a warning to every citizen across the land. I remember still the funeral church bells at my boyhood home in Newfoundland. As Donne so well expressed it,

    Each man’s death diminishes me,

    For I am involved in mankind

    Therefore, send not to knowFor whom the bell tolls,

    It tolls for thee.

    Each bell that tolls reminds us of our own mortality. We are one. As it goes for one it goes for us all.

    Dr. Peterson’s loss in his bid for freedom of expression as a licensed psychologist is a loss for each of us. As it goes for him, so it goes for us. We are one.

    At some point, Canadians must wake up to the reality that our courts are no longer concerned with the protection of Charter rights. It is now exceedingly evident that the myopic focus of our legal authorities is the protection of the administrative state. The bureaucrats increasingly rule us in our day to day living, as they tell us what we can say and not say, think and not think. With every court case they gain the upper hand in the new world of judicial fiction called “Charter values” all for our own good in the “public interest.”

    The term “Charter values” is not found anywhere in our Constitution. It is a judicial creation. Judges in the Peterson case were afraid of the absolute right of freedom of expression exercised by this man of influence. His expression was offensive because, in their view, it violated “Charter values”—not “Charter rights,” but “values.”

    The courts, and their defenders of this legal “values” construct, argue that they are not making any judgement on Peterson’s expression. Instead, they are allowing the bureaucratic regulators of the psychology profession to do their job in ensuring that psychologists are not involved in expressing statements that are “demeaning, degrading, and unprofessional” that “may cause harm” to the specific people the statements are directed at and to the community at large. In other words, it is not the courts but the bureaucrats who make those judgements. All the courts do, they argue, is make sure the bureaucrats have the authority to regulate the professionals in their speech in the “public interest.”

    “Charter values” then is a mechanism whereby the courts can put a governor on those who take their Charter-protected rights too seriously. We all know that there are no absolute rights to do whatever we want. Freedom of expression must be limited. For example, inciting a mob to rip someone from their house and hang them on a tree is not Charter-protected expression. It is a crime.

    The problem with the courts’ use of “Charter values” is that we are left with the dictates of bureaucratic regulators who take it upon themselves to define “public interest” and “Charter values” in a way that defies common sense. Reading the Ontario Divisional Court’s decision, one cannot but be struck by the thought that the bureaucrats that run the College of Psychologists of Ontario are of the view that regulating the profession requires them to ensure that no one is offended by the personal opinions of Dr. Peterson.

    What is also obvious is that these bureaucrats, and by extension the Ontario Divisional Court, are particularly bothered by Peterson’s sarcastic rhetoric. Peterson’s social media comments were referred to show the “reasonableness” of the bureaucratic demand that he undergoes remedial training in social media. Consider the exhibits:

    Peterson responded to two people concerned about over-population with, “You’re free to leave at any point.”

    On Joe Rogan’s podcast he said a client’s complaint was a “pack of lies” and that air pollution causing the death of children, “it’s just poor children, and the world has too many people on it anyways.”

    He called Prime Minister Trudeau’s friend Gerald Butts a “prik.”

    He called Ottawa city councillor Catherine McKenney, who uses they/them pronouns, an “appalling self-righteous moralizing thing.”

    When trans man Elliot Page said he was “proud” to introduce a trans TV character, Peterson tweeted, “Remember when pride was a sin? And Ellen Page just had her breasts removed by a criminal physician.”

    When Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition cover had a plus-sized model, Peterson tweeted, “Sorry. Not Beautiful. And no amount of authoritarian tolerance is going to change that.”

    Well, it seems that the “authoritarian tolerance” of the college bureaucrats, backed by the Divisional Court of Ontario, are indeed out to change Dr. Peterson’s mind that his expression was not in the public interest and certainly not worthy of a member of the psychological fraternity. He violated the judicial construct of “Charter values.”

    You may find Peterson’s sarcasm over the top. You may find it spot on. The question is, “Should professional regulators, and the courts, weigh in on our public musings on social media and remove our professional status for sarcasm?” If you think so, be prepared, for you may well be next.

    The Court bell tolls.

    Therefore, send not to know

    For whom the bell tolls,

    It tolls for thee.


    Barry W. Bussey, Ph.D., is president and CEO of First Freedoms Foundation.

    Source: Epoch Times





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    The last word?! Tags for this thread: Censorship, Freedom of Speech, Political Opinion, Tyranny, Woke Culture, and Genocidal Progression.

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    The last word?! Tags for this thread: Censorship, Freedom of Speech, Political Opinion, Tyranny, Woke Culture, and Genocidal Progression.

    Yes, those are the tags for this thread -- except for Genocidal Progression. I came up with those tags off the top of my head with regard to what Jordan Peterson was discussing in his interview. It was what he voiced publicly about "woke culture" and Trudeau -- the truth as he sees it -- that got him into trouble. He doesn't buy the BS narrative the globalists are trying to shove down our throats and he isn't afraid to say so. Jordan also talked about how he thinks the "climate change" fear-mongering narrative is basically concocted by tyrants to terrorize the population. Right into everyone's face, he says it. Finally, we Canadians have someone with a strong voice who is respected and well known and not afraid to speak publicly on the "forbidden" fundamental issues that affect our lives the most.

    How do we fight back? We need a population that is awake and aware. We need a population that questions things, thinks things through and speaks out. We need a population that's smart.



    "... we're stupid and we'll die."



    What lesson can we learn from Pris?

    Don't Be Stupid.

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    Throwing this up here. Not sure it has been posted. laughable!


    By THOMAS GALLATIN
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    Last week, world-renowned psychologist Dr. Jordan Peterson was ordered by Canada’s Ontario Superior Court of Justice Divisional Court to undergo social media sensitivity training. As you may imagine, he took that well.

    The case was brought against Peterson by the College of Psychologists of Ontario over claims that his public comments made on social media were “degrading, demeaning and unprofessional,” and furthermore posed “moderate risks of harm to the public.”

    And what were these supposed “moderate risks of harm”? Well, the college claimed that Peterson was “undermining public trust in the profession of psychology” and his comments “may also raise questions about Dr. Peterson’s ability to appropriately carry out his responsibilities as a registered psychologist.”

    The charge against Peterson was not predicated on complaints made by any of his previous patients, nor by any of his students. In fact, his comments were not made when he was acting in any professional capacity. As Peterson’s legal defense team, the Canadian Constitution Foundation (CCF), pointedly observed, all the comments in question were made “off the clock.”

    To make matters worse, the comments that Peterson is being raked over the coals for were clearly taken out of context, and half the instances are Peterson sarcastically expressing the nonsense of the claim he’s condemning.

    So, what was it that Peterson said? In a nutshell, it amounted to criticism of hard-leftist politics and ideology. For example, Peterson has been widely critical of the climate change narrative, noting that it is anti-human. He has also expressed criticism of Canada’s hard-left Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. And he has repeatedly blasted the “transgender” cult pushing a radical ideology that he notes destroys any genuinely sound clinical psychological approach to helping troubled people. “Remember when pride was a sin?” he asked in one post about it.

    For these “word crimes,” Peterson will be required to undergo what is in effect reeducation training — at his own expense — or he risks losing his license.

    From a legal standpoint, the Canadian court effectively talked out of both sides of its mouth. On the one hand, it sought to affirm that Peterson had freedom of speech rights to express the opinions he stated. Yet on the other hand, the court claimed, “The order is not disciplinary and does not prevent Dr. Peterson from expressing himself on controversial topics; it has a minimal impact on his right to freedom of expression.”

    He either has freedom of speech or he doesn’t. Anything else is disingenuous parsing of the truth.

    Following the ruling, Peterson responded on X, “If you think that you have a right to free speech in Canada, you’re delusional.” He then threw down the proverbial gauntlet by warning: “I will make every aspect of this public. And we will see what happens when utter transparency is the rule… Bring it…”

    While Peterson will look to appeal the ruling, should that fail and he be subject to this woke reeducation, he promises to document and film every session and post it online for the world to see.

    The truth is that Peterson has become one of the biggest thorns in the side of the hard Left. He has regularly and demonstrably exposed the motives behind its twisted ideology, and many hate him for it. This court result is merely the latest example of the long-running smear campaign the radical Left has waged against Peterson ever since he refused to bow to its language policing.

    We hope Peterson inspires many more Canadians, Americans, and lovers of Liberty to stand up against the authoritarian Left.

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    Throwing this up here. Not sure it has been posted. laughable!


    By THOMAS GALLATIN
    MORE BY THIS AUTHOR

    Last week, world-renowned psychologist Dr. Jordan Peterson was ordered by Canada’s Ontario Superior Court of Justice Divisional Court to undergo social media sensitivity training. As you may imagine, he took that well.

    The case was brought against Peterson by the College of Psychologists of Ontario over claims that his public comments made on social media were “degrading, demeaning and unprofessional,” and furthermore posed “moderate risks of harm to the public.”

    And what were these supposed “moderate risks of harm”? Well, the college claimed that Peterson was “undermining public trust in the profession of psychology” and his comments “may also raise questions about Dr. Peterson’s ability to appropriately carry out his responsibilities as a registered psychologist.”

    The charge against Peterson was not predicated on complaints made by any of his previous patients, nor by any of his students. In fact, his comments were not made when he was acting in any professional capacity. As Peterson’s legal defense team, the Canadian Constitution Foundation (CCF), pointedly observed, all the comments in question were made “off the clock.”

    To make matters worse, the comments that Peterson is being raked over the coals for were clearly taken out of context, and half the instances are Peterson sarcastically expressing the nonsense of the claim he’s condemning.

    So, what was it that Peterson said? In a nutshell, it amounted to criticism of hard-leftist politics and ideology. For example, Peterson has been widely critical of the climate change narrative, noting that it is anti-human. He has also expressed criticism of Canada’s hard-left Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. And he has repeatedly blasted the “transgender” cult pushing a radical ideology that he notes destroys any genuinely sound clinical psychological approach to helping troubled people. “Remember when pride was a sin?” he asked in one post about it.

    For these “word crimes,” Peterson will be required to undergo what is in effect reeducation training — at his own expense — or he risks losing his license.

    From a legal standpoint, the Canadian court effectively talked out of both sides of its mouth. On the one hand, it sought to affirm that Peterson had freedom of speech rights to express the opinions he stated. Yet on the other hand, the court claimed, “The order is not disciplinary and does not prevent Dr. Peterson from expressing himself on controversial topics; it has a minimal impact on his right to freedom of expression.”

    He either has freedom of speech or he doesn’t. Anything else is disingenuous parsing of the truth.

    Following the ruling, Peterson responded on X, “If you think that you have a right to free speech in Canada, you’re delusional.” He then threw down the proverbial gauntlet by warning: “I will make every aspect of this public. And we will see what happens when utter transparency is the rule… Bring it…”

    While Peterson will look to appeal the ruling, should that fail and he be subject to this woke reeducation, he promises to document and film every session and post it online for the world to see.

    The truth is that Peterson has become one of the biggest thorns in the side of the hard Left. He has regularly and demonstrably exposed the motives behind its twisted ideology, and many hate him for it. This court result is merely the latest example of the long-running smear campaign the radical Left has waged against Peterson ever since he refused to bow to its language policing.

    We hope Peterson inspires many more Canadians, Americans, and lovers of Liberty to stand up against the authoritarian Left.

    Nope, this has not been posted yet, thank you, pd! Much appreciated! It's exactly on track with this thread.

    What's happening in Canada now is straight out of "1984".

    They're hypocrites! It's funny for sure, how they claim that Dr. Jordan Peterson's public comments are “degrading, demeaning and unprofessional,” and furthermore posed “moderate risks of harm to the public.” They definitely do not want people to listen to Dr. Peterson. The fact is this is their attempt to stifle and humiliate him in order to warn other psychologists and the rest of us who see what's going on not to "step out of line" and dare to say what we think.

    Dr. Peterson speaking "off the clock" about what he thinks is wonderful. More importantly, if I were to have a psychologist give me advice "on the clock", I would want one who tells the truth exactly like Jordan does. I'd venture to say that most psychological problems people face today is EXACTLY the result of an undermined, morally corrupted, broken down society pushing Marxist ideology on everyone which is intended to harm us all. The ludicrousness of their argument against Dr. Peterson is astonishing to behold. Worse yet, THEY KNOW WE KNOW. This display is meant to break us and beat us all down into submission.

    The great part is the globalist's playbook is backfiring in the same way they attack Trump. All it's doing is waking up more and more people. And, because of this, the people are now also refusing to be beaten down thanks to men like Dr. Jordan Peterson and President Donald J. Trump. They are examples of bold resistance, standing strong and fighting back.
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    JP attempts to "re-educate" Dr. Jordan Peterson. What does Dr. Peterson have to say about it? Did JP succeed? Seriously hilarious!


    How Jordan Peterson’s Reeducation Training Will Go

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    Here, JP talks about how great it is that Dr. Jordan Peterson is standing up and fighting for his right to freedom of speech. Jordan, being threatened with having his license removed if he doesn't go through with "re-education" treatment for saying things contrary to the globalist narrative... decided it would be best to make it entirely public and record the process -- a three year process (unless they decide to back off). JP is certain Jordan isn't willing to do the "re-education" (that he has to pay for out of his own pocket) because he really needs his license. This is about standing up and being a voice for all of us against a tyrannical government -- a government using their weapon of "wokism" to increasingly force us all to give up our rights and freedom in favor of their radical (global) agenda to rule over us that nobody, apparently, is allowed to question.


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    Another mod note from Bill:

    As the title accurately states, this thread is about the Canadian government's Court Decision to Take Away His (Peterson's) Freedom of Speech. (Take a look above! )

    As I reminded readers yesterday, there's a separate thread about Peterson himself (Jordan Peterson Update), in the Personalities in the Alternative Media section. His jacket, diet, communication style, and anything else about him pesonally can be discussed there.

    This thread is about censorship. The mods don't usually block members from posting on specific threads, but (just a little ironically!) we're nearing the point where we really might have to deploy that here.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Another mod note from Bill:

    As the title accurately states, this thread is about the Canadian government's Court Decision to Take Away His (Peterson's) Freedom of Speech. (Take a look above! )

    As I reminded readers yesterday, there's a separate thread about Peterson himself (Jordan Peterson Update), in the Personalities in the Alternative Media section. His jacket, diet, communication style, and anything else about him pesonally can be discussed there.

    This thread is about censorship. The mods don't usually block members from posting on specific threads, but (just a little ironically!) we're nearing the point where we really might have to deploy that here.

    Is your point that any attempt to separate the discussion in this way is censorship...(i.e. there's a separate thread about Peterson himself (Jordan Peterson Update), in the Personalities in the Alternative Media section. His jacket, diet, communication style, and anything else about him pesonally can be discussed there.)?

    If so, I have to disagree with you.

    Or is your issue the threat of banning someone from a specific thread (i.e. The mods don't usually block members from posting on specific threads, but (just a little ironically!) we're nearing the point where we really might have to deploy that here.)?
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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Another mod note from Bill:

    As the title accurately states, this thread is about the Canadian government's Court Decision to Take Away His (Peterson's) Freedom of Speech. (Take a look above! )

    As I reminded readers yesterday, there's a separate thread about Peterson himself (Jordan Peterson Update), in the Personalities in the Alternative Media section. His jacket, diet, communication style, and anything else about him pesonally can be discussed there.

    This thread is about censorship. The mods don't usually block members from posting on specific threads, but (just a little ironically!) we're nearing the point where we really might have to deploy that here.

    Is your point that any attempt to separate the discussion in this way is censorship...(i.e. there's a separate thread about Peterson himself (Jordan Peterson Update), in the Personalities in the Alternative Media section. His jacket, diet, communication style, and anything else about him pesonally can be discussed there.)?

    If so, I have to disagree with you.

    Or is your issue the threat of banning someone from a specific thread (i.e. The mods don't usually block members from posting on specific threads, but (just a little ironically!) we're nearing the point where we really might have to deploy that here.)?

    Nope, just the overall topic is: censorship (not related to any P.A. admin/moderator mod-work that may or may not being perceived as "censor efforts" that actually are just moderators choices based upon their well intended managing the forum a certain way for clarity & efficient mundane reasons that are 100% transparent unlike big social media platforms.
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    Entirely great interview with Jordan Peterson. For the segment related to court decision to take away Jordan Peterson's freedom of speech: 19:40 - 24:50


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    • Piers Morgan vs Jordan Peterson | The Full Interview #2

    Piers Morgan Uncensored welcomes back clinical psychologist Jordan Peterson a year on from his previous appearance for an hour-long interview in which the pair discuss Justin Trudeau, 'micro-cults' round figures like Joe Rogan and Andrew Tate, the allegations against Russell Brand and the court of public opinion, the problems with social media and much, much more.

    Towards the end of this powerful interview Jordan becomes emotional as Piers asks him what the best and worst parts of being Jordan Peterson are. He opens up about how grateful he is for his fortunes - but also highlights some of the pressures and difficulties that come with his job of being such an influential public figure.
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    I was wondering when Peterson and his fight against Canadian Deep State censorship would come back into the spotlight. Reposting here!

    BOOM!!


    Quote Posted by Tintin (here)
    Jordan Peterson back to his eloquent best here in a piece published in the National Post, January 17th.

    This could get more interesting still, I think, in the passage of time: ringside seats
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    Jordan Peterson: Bureaucrats will rue the day they tried to shut me up
    The petty tyrants at the College of Psychologists of Ontario have no right to force me into re-education

    Jordan Peterson
    Published Jan 17, 2024

    Source: National Post

    In November 2022, the administrative board that regulates the conduct of psychologists (and much more than that, it turns out) decided that my political views were a disgrace to my profession, that of clinical psychologist. I was therefore sentenced by that board, the Ontario College of Psychologists, to a bout of mandatory re-education, of indeterminate duration, at my expense, with my learning not evaluated by any standard method but subject to the opinion of those charged with, profiting by and exploiting my forced studentship. I took those decision-makers forthwith to court, and lost. The decision of the Ontario College of Psychologists was upheld. I then appealed, to a higher court. On January 16, 2024, that appeal was rejected. There were no reasons provided.

    This means that my legal options have been exhausted. Thus, I face two choices. I can comply, when the College goes ahead with its determination to require my re-education, dutifully attend whatever bloody classes their DEI-enthusiast “social media experts” (whatever those are) determine to inflict upon, confess the sins of my classic liberal/conservative or even Judeo-Christian political, philosophical and theological commitments, repent and silence myself — or even become a standard-bearer for the faux-compassionate woke cause, at least publicly. Alternatively, I can tell my would-be masters to go directly to the hell they are so rapidly gathering around themselves and everyone else, lose my right to practice or even to describe myself as a psychologist, and suffer the consequences on the reputation front:

    “Canadian psychologist Jordan B Peterson, disgrace to his profession, forfeits his formal licence, in consequence of his crimes.”

    And what exactly were those crimes? — because there’s the rub or, at least, one of them. This is where the reader should pay careful attention, Canadian or otherwise, because this is what lies ahead in the West, given the course our leaders and their still-blind and deaf followers are charting. It should be hard for anyone considering this situation to believe that I am playing straight with the facts, if they have any of their own opinions or values whatsoever — because if what I have done and said constitutes the equivalent of a professional crime, you can be sure that your own head is full of like transgressions, regardless of your political stance, and your own tongue therefore likely to spill the beans.


    I criticized three Canadian political leaders: a councilwoman in Canada’s capital, Ottawa, for what I regarded and still regard as her disgraceful behavior during the Canadian Trucker Convoy; Justin Trudeau’s former principal secretary, Gerald Butts, a man who resigned from one of the highest positions within the office of the former amidst a scandal that had enveloped the teflon-coated Liberal administration; and the woke poster boy and shining narcissist himself, Canada’s Prime Minister, a man who has done more to destroy my country than anyone else, in reality and reputation, nationally and internationally (and that includes his father, who was no shirker in that regard).

    I pointed out the shortcomings of the idiot costly self-aggrandizing virtue-signaling demoralizing lie of the power-mad climate apocalypse-mongers — that on Joe Rogan’s podcast, the entire three-plus-hour transcript of which (!) was submitted to my College as evidence of my disgraceful conduct.

    I voiced my objections to the politically-correct insistence that morbid obesity be regarded as the equivalent to the highest standards of athletic beauty, and I took a certain Hollywood actress or actor to task because that same person (oh tortuous grammatical niceties) used its platform to parade the advantages of double mastectomies when performed on the bodies of perfectly healthy young women.


    I regret none of these actions. I would say exactly the same things again. Furthermore, I believe that time has been kind to my decisions: the reality of the idiocy that I pointed to then, whose reality was then denied by most, has become something increasingly apparent to an increasingly majority of people in the interim.

    I should point out, too, that these crimes were reported on the publicly accessible Ontario College of Psychologist website informer page not by anyone who had ever been a beneficiary of my professional services, or any people that knew them, or any of the people directly criticized, or by anyone who knew them, or even (in the main) by citizens of Ontario, my home province, or Canada. They were instead brought to the attention of the “authorities” by activists in other countries, many of whom also lied in writing, claiming that they were in fact clients of mine. About a dozen of such people reported me — this in contrast, by the way, to the millions or now even tens of millions of people who have found the work I have done and the stances I have taken of clear psychological benefit, and who have said so, buying my books, watching my lectures and even directly informing the College of their favorable judgment.

    What does this all mean for me? Frankly, very little, practically speaking. I have options, in my fortunate and privileged position. I am no longer financially dependent on my practice, which I had to fold up in 2017, in the wake of the first scandals that emerged around me. I am independently wealthy. I am also not dependent even on my formal status as a psychologist. This makes me very unlike my colleagues and fellow professionals, for whom threat to their licence is an intolerable threat to livelihood, reputation and family stability, financial and otherwise. I could even move to the U.S., say — to one of the still-free states — and join my daughter, who has done so for equally political reasons, and as an increasing number of Canadians have determined to do.

    By far the easiest thing for me to do personally, therefore, is to say to the College “do your worst, you petty tyrants,” and let the cards fall where they will. I could even report, in detail, publicly (very publicly) on the re-education process, as I most certainly will do, if I decide to go that route. I could take the inevitable reputational hit mentioned previously, and continue going about my happy and profitable business. I have positioned myself very carefully, knowing all this was coming, accepting its inevitability, so that I wasn’t even particularly upset when the news came down. My personal security and desires, however, are not the point, and they haven’t been, right from the beginning. Here’s the point:

    Canadians, mark my words: Your much-vaunted Charter of Rights isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on, as one of its last remaining signatories has been continually striving to indicate. Your right to free speech is essentially non-existent, as evidenced by the court decisions we are now considering. You have almost no real rights to property. Your rights to mobility can be taken away without consequence at any moment, as they were very recently. You can all-too-easily become the indentured servant of anyone you dare to hire. Your tax load is going to continue to increase, and rapidly. Your economy is predicted to be the worst performing of any developing country for the next three decades — and that failure will be trumpeted, positively, as the “degrowth” necessary to save the planet (thus so conveniently providing those who, like Trudeau, have no interest in monetary policy to parade their ignorance and Machiavellian idiocy as a positive virtue: “I’m saving the planet” is a get-out-of jail free card for any and all crimes and justification for a grab for power the likes of which we have never seen.

    The failure of my appeal means that your professionals — engineers, physicians, lawyers and teachers, among others — are now required by administrative fiat to conceal what they really think and believe (which is precisely the truth you most truly need from them) lest they run afoul of the administrative minions who have now been granted full sway over their tongues and pens.

    The Supreme Court has already determined this: hence the failure of my appeal. Regulatory boards in Canada are not required to apply the law correctly, as law professor Dr. Bruce Pardy recently pointed out. Furthermore, they can infringe charter rights — and those are your most fundamental rights — if they do so “proportionately.” And what does “proportionately” mean, practically speaking? It means any way they choose, unless you have the courage, time and resources to object. Fighting these pathetic demons has already cost me weeks of work and close to a million dollars. Are you, fellow Canadian professionals, feeling up to that task? I thought not — and have seen very little evidence of courage or ability from you on that front. So we can just imagine where that will leave the typical Canadian, who dares to speak his or her mind. Finally, and furthermore: the infringement on your rights — all your rights — can and will be justified by the courts if the action that does so promotes “charter values” guaranteed and promoted nowhere in the fundamental legal structure that makes up Canada — and those have become precisely the diversity, equity, inclusivity, group-rights conceptualization of humanity and vengeful quasi-Marxist but worse victim-victimizer narrative that all goes to make up the progressive ideals of the carnivorous sheep who now rule this sad and blind land.

    Are you listening, Canadians? If you refuse to abide by rules so radically leftist that they would have been and were in fact eschewed until recently by the outright socialist Canadian New Democratic Party your opinions have now become outright illegal. Present them, even think about them, at your peril. And if you think I’m exaggerating, or beating my own drum, for reasons of my own, ask yourself this: what in the world is in it for me, in so doing? I could at any moment and so easily end my association with my increasingly mad profession, as I have the universities who so recently showed their disgrace in Washington, DC (I’m talking about you, presidents of MIT, Harvard and UPenn), and go about my perfectly functional life, without the burden of scrapping with idiots — without even the necessity of facing the full reality of the political idiocy and willful blindness that now makes up the Canadian scene.

    But I think I’ll fight a little longer. Bring it on, you bloody pikers: take your next steps, bureaucrats: write me, and tell me how exactly we are to conduct my re-education. I’ll play along, find out exactly what you will do, now that you’ve been emboldened to do whatever it is that the darkest resentful demons lurking in your evil little low-level administrative hearts most truly desire, even to your own detriment. I’ll see how burdensome playing your pathetic game becomes, and I will publicize every single bit of it. And, if I get tired of it, which seems highly likely, I’ll hand over the bloody licence I am increasingly embarrassed in any case to possess and let you continue journeying oh-so-morally to the dismal, fearful, pessimistic, moralizing, petty, butter-won’t-melt in our mouths hellish straits that you envision as the paradise best fit for your fellow citizens, yourselves and your children.


    You have won the battle, minions of the deep state, faceless-for-now but not for long bureaucrat-authoritarians, but you haven’t won the war. And here is a warning, too, as is only fair: So far I have been constrained in my response to your pushing and prodding and overlord-nagging by the requirement not to compromise my efforts on the legal side. But that’s all over with, now, isn’t it? So there are no holds barred, as far as I am concerned. And it may be that you have nothing better to do with your nasty narrowly-circumscribed micromanaging bodies and souls than to cause me trouble. But we’re going to perform that dance on the international stage, with all that light shining on your machinations, and you may well come to rue the day you attempted to take possession of my tongue.
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    Savage and beautiful, and may God protect this man because seriously, if I were him I would not be underestimating these people, or as he calls them (and correctly), demons. I can't imagine for one minute they'd allow Peterson to put their "re-education program" under the spotlight for the whole world to see. A show-trial of this nature would be extremely revealing of how truly demented it is, and would prove extremely damaging to their profession, the whole system, and Canada in general.

    Their only alternative would be to back down, but I can't see them doing that. So the question is, what lengths will they resort to to keep Peterson silent, or better still, rid themselves of this pest once and for all? That's why I say, now more than ever, God protect this man.
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    Recently, in Quebec, a medical doctor has had his license suspended for 3 months following a complaint by a biological female he had as patient who wanted to be called by a man’s name and by he, which the doctor refused to do, not to mix treatments for females needed by this wannabe man.

    This is madness, when a doctor having , or in his case transfering a file in the future, cannot indicate the biological make up of the indidual for treatment.

    In French:
    Je vous recommande cet article de La Presse : Radié trois mois pour avoir mégenré un patient trans

    Un médecin de Montréal vient de se voir imposer une période de radiation de trois mois pour avoir adopté « une attitude inappropriée et irrespectueuse » envers un patient trans qui le consultait pour obtenir un traitement hormonal. Le Dr Raymond Brière a répété au patient qu’il était biologiquement une femme « en dépit des demandes explicites de ce dernier de le désigner en utilisant le genre masculin ».

    Quote Posted by Pris (here)
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    I was wondering when Peterson and his fight against Canadian Deep State censorship would come back into the spotlight. Reposting here!

    BOOM!!


    Quote Posted by Tintin (here)
    Jordan Peterson back to his eloquent best here in a piece published in the National Post, January 17th.

    This could get more interesting still, I think, in the passage of time: ringside seats
    ***

    Jordan Peterson: Bureaucrats will rue the day they tried to shut me up
    The petty tyrants at the College of Psychologists of Ontario have no right to force me into re-education

    Jordan Peterson
    Published Jan 17, 2024

    Source: National Post

    In November 2022, the administrative board that regulates the conduct of psychologists (and much more than that, it turns out) decided that my political views were a disgrace to my profession, that of clinical psychologist. I was therefore sentenced by that board, the Ontario College of Psychologists, to a bout of mandatory re-education, of indeterminate duration, at my expense, with my learning not evaluated by any standard method but subject to the opinion of those charged with, profiting by and exploiting my forced studentship. I took those decision-makers forthwith to court, and lost. The decision of the Ontario College of Psychologists was upheld. I then appealed, to a higher court. On January 16, 2024, that appeal was rejected. There were no reasons provided.

    This means that my legal options have been exhausted. Thus, I face two choices. I can comply, when the College goes ahead with its determination to require my re-education, dutifully attend whatever bloody classes their DEI-enthusiast “social media experts” (whatever those are) determine to inflict upon, confess the sins of my classic liberal/conservative or even Judeo-Christian political, philosophical and theological commitments, repent and silence myself — or even become a standard-bearer for the faux-compassionate woke cause, at least publicly. Alternatively, I can tell my would-be masters to go directly to the hell they are so rapidly gathering around themselves and everyone else, lose my right to practice or even to describe myself as a psychologist, and suffer the consequences on the reputation front:

    “Canadian psychologist Jordan B Peterson, disgrace to his profession, forfeits his formal licence, in consequence of his crimes.”

    And what exactly were those crimes? — because there’s the rub or, at least, one of them. This is where the reader should pay careful attention, Canadian or otherwise, because this is what lies ahead in the West, given the course our leaders and their still-blind and deaf followers are charting. It should be hard for anyone considering this situation to believe that I am playing straight with the facts, if they have any of their own opinions or values whatsoever — because if what I have done and said constitutes the equivalent of a professional crime, you can be sure that your own head is full of like transgressions, regardless of your political stance, and your own tongue therefore likely to spill the beans.


    I criticized three Canadian political leaders: a councilwoman in Canada’s capital, Ottawa, for what I regarded and still regard as her disgraceful behavior during the Canadian Trucker Convoy; Justin Trudeau’s former principal secretary, Gerald Butts, a man who resigned from one of the highest positions within the office of the former amidst a scandal that had enveloped the teflon-coated Liberal administration; and the woke poster boy and shining narcissist himself, Canada’s Prime Minister, a man who has done more to destroy my country than anyone else, in reality and reputation, nationally and internationally (and that includes his father, who was no shirker in that regard).

    I pointed out the shortcomings of the idiot costly self-aggrandizing virtue-signaling demoralizing lie of the power-mad climate apocalypse-mongers — that on Joe Rogan’s podcast, the entire three-plus-hour transcript of which (!) was submitted to my College as evidence of my disgraceful conduct.

    I voiced my objections to the politically-correct insistence that morbid obesity be regarded as the equivalent to the highest standards of athletic beauty, and I took a certain Hollywood actress or actor to task because that same person (oh tortuous grammatical niceties) used its platform to parade the advantages of double mastectomies when performed on the bodies of perfectly healthy young women.


    I regret none of these actions. I would say exactly the same things again. Furthermore, I believe that time has been kind to my decisions: the reality of the idiocy that I pointed to then, whose reality was then denied by most, has become something increasingly apparent to an increasingly majority of people in the interim.

    I should point out, too, that these crimes were reported on the publicly accessible Ontario College of Psychologist website informer page not by anyone who had ever been a beneficiary of my professional services, or any people that knew them, or any of the people directly criticized, or by anyone who knew them, or even (in the main) by citizens of Ontario, my home province, or Canada. They were instead brought to the attention of the “authorities” by activists in other countries, many of whom also lied in writing, claiming that they were in fact clients of mine. About a dozen of such people reported me — this in contrast, by the way, to the millions or now even tens of millions of people who have found the work I have done and the stances I have taken of clear psychological benefit, and who have said so, buying my books, watching my lectures and even directly informing the College of their favorable judgment.

    What does this all mean for me? Frankly, very little, practically speaking. I have options, in my fortunate and privileged position. I am no longer financially dependent on my practice, which I had to fold up in 2017, in the wake of the first scandals that emerged around me. I am independently wealthy. I am also not dependent even on my formal status as a psychologist. This makes me very unlike my colleagues and fellow professionals, for whom threat to their licence is an intolerable threat to livelihood, reputation and family stability, financial and otherwise. I could even move to the U.S., say — to one of the still-free states — and join my daughter, who has done so for equally political reasons, and as an increasing number of Canadians have determined to do.

    By far the easiest thing for me to do personally, therefore, is to say to the College “do your worst, you petty tyrants,” and let the cards fall where they will. I could even report, in detail, publicly (very publicly) on the re-education process, as I most certainly will do, if I decide to go that route. I could take the inevitable reputational hit mentioned previously, and continue going about my happy and profitable business. I have positioned myself very carefully, knowing all this was coming, accepting its inevitability, so that I wasn’t even particularly upset when the news came down. My personal security and desires, however, are not the point, and they haven’t been, right from the beginning. Here’s the point:

    Canadians, mark my words: Your much-vaunted Charter of Rights isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on, as one of its last remaining signatories has been continually striving to indicate. Your right to free speech is essentially non-existent, as evidenced by the court decisions we are now considering. You have almost no real rights to property. Your rights to mobility can be taken away without consequence at any moment, as they were very recently. You can all-too-easily become the indentured servant of anyone you dare to hire. Your tax load is going to continue to increase, and rapidly. Your economy is predicted to be the worst performing of any developing country for the next three decades — and that failure will be trumpeted, positively, as the “degrowth” necessary to save the planet (thus so conveniently providing those who, like Trudeau, have no interest in monetary policy to parade their ignorance and Machiavellian idiocy as a positive virtue: “I’m saving the planet” is a get-out-of jail free card for any and all crimes and justification for a grab for power the likes of which we have never seen.

    The failure of my appeal means that your professionals — engineers, physicians, lawyers and teachers, among others — are now required by administrative fiat to conceal what they really think and believe (which is precisely the truth you most truly need from them) lest they run afoul of the administrative minions who have now been granted full sway over their tongues and pens.

    The Supreme Court has already determined this: hence the failure of my appeal. Regulatory boards in Canada are not required to apply the law correctly, as law professor Dr. Bruce Pardy recently pointed out. Furthermore, they can infringe charter rights — and those are your most fundamental rights — if they do so “proportionately.” And what does “proportionately” mean, practically speaking? It means any way they choose, unless you have the courage, time and resources to object. Fighting these pathetic demons has already cost me weeks of work and close to a million dollars. Are you, fellow Canadian professionals, feeling up to that task? I thought not — and have seen very little evidence of courage or ability from you on that front. So we can just imagine where that will leave the typical Canadian, who dares to speak his or her mind. Finally, and furthermore: the infringement on your rights — all your rights — can and will be justified by the courts if the action that does so promotes “charter values” guaranteed and promoted nowhere in the fundamental legal structure that makes up Canada — and those have become precisely the diversity, equity, inclusivity, group-rights conceptualization of humanity and vengeful quasi-Marxist but worse victim-victimizer narrative that all goes to make up the progressive ideals of the carnivorous sheep who now rule this sad and blind land.

    Are you listening, Canadians? If you refuse to abide by rules so radically leftist that they would have been and were in fact eschewed until recently by the outright socialist Canadian New Democratic Party your opinions have now become outright illegal. Present them, even think about them, at your peril. And if you think I’m exaggerating, or beating my own drum, for reasons of my own, ask yourself this: what in the world is in it for me, in so doing? I could at any moment and so easily end my association with my increasingly mad profession, as I have the universities who so recently showed their disgrace in Washington, DC (I’m talking about you, presidents of MIT, Harvard and UPenn), and go about my perfectly functional life, without the burden of scrapping with idiots — without even the necessity of facing the full reality of the political idiocy and willful blindness that now makes up the Canadian scene.

    But I think I’ll fight a little longer. Bring it on, you bloody pikers: take your next steps, bureaucrats: write me, and tell me how exactly we are to conduct my re-education. I’ll play along, find out exactly what you will do, now that you’ve been emboldened to do whatever it is that the darkest resentful demons lurking in your evil little low-level administrative hearts most truly desire, even to your own detriment. I’ll see how burdensome playing your pathetic game becomes, and I will publicize every single bit of it. And, if I get tired of it, which seems highly likely, I’ll hand over the bloody licence I am increasingly embarrassed in any case to possess and let you continue journeying oh-so-morally to the dismal, fearful, pessimistic, moralizing, petty, butter-won’t-melt in our mouths hellish straits that you envision as the paradise best fit for your fellow citizens, yourselves and your children.


    You have won the battle, minions of the deep state, faceless-for-now but not for long bureaucrat-authoritarians, but you haven’t won the war. And here is a warning, too, as is only fair: So far I have been constrained in my response to your pushing and prodding and overlord-nagging by the requirement not to compromise my efforts on the legal side. But that’s all over with, now, isn’t it? So there are no holds barred, as far as I am concerned. And it may be that you have nothing better to do with your nasty narrowly-circumscribed micromanaging bodies and souls than to cause me trouble. But we’re going to perform that dance on the international stage, with all that light shining on your machinations, and you may well come to rue the day you attempted to take possession of my tongue.
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    Savage and beautiful, and may God protect this man because seriously, if I were him I would not be underestimating these people, or as he calls them (and correctly), demons. I can't imagine for one minute they'd allow Peterson to put their "re-education program" under the spotlight for the whole world to see. A show-trial of this nature would be extremely revealing of how truly demented it is, and would prove extremely damaging to their profession, the whole system, and Canada in general.

    Their only alternative would be to back down, but I can't see them doing that. So the question is, what lengths will they resort to to keep Peterson silent, or better still, rid themselves of this pest once and for all? That's why I say, now more than ever, God protect this man.
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    Recently, in Quebec, a medical doctor has had his license suspended for 3 months following a complaint by a biological female he had as patient who wanted to be called by a man’s name and by he, which the doctor refused to do, not to mix treatments for females needed by this wannabe man.

    This is madness, when a doctor having , or in his case transfering a file in the future, cannot indicate the biological make up of the indidual for treatment.
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    Hi Flash. Been a fan of you since your return to Avalon, story about your life for your daughter and success in that.

    I am on your side about the weirdos and the official kowtowing to the agenda. But I have worked alongside quite a variety of weirdos my whole life, and long ago I just decided to get along with them as best I could, since peace is good.

    But this doctor you speak of, did he not have any normal way to indicate biology, like XX vs. XY? If not, then yeah this seems like a circus. If yes, then he was just grandstanding.

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    Default Re: Dr. Jordan Peterson Reacts to Court Decision to Take Away His Freedom of Speech

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    But this doctor you speak of, did he not have any normal way to indicate biology, like XX vs. XY? If not, then yeah this seems like a circus. If yes, then he was just grandstanding.
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    The thing that motivated Peterson to take a stand was the concept of compelled speech i.e. laws that forced him to say specific things and at the same time prohibited him from saying other things. Peterson actually had no problem with calling people by their preferred pronoun, But he rejected, and fought against, the institution of laws that required him to do so. It seems to me, this doctor was not grandstanding but instead holding the same principled position as Peterson.
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    Default Re: Dr. Jordan Peterson Reacts to Court Decision to Take Away His Freedom of Speech

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    Quote Posted by Flash (here)
    Recently, in Quebec, a medical doctor has had his license suspended for 3 months following a complaint by a biological female he had as patient who wanted to be called by a man’s name and by he, which the doctor refused to do, not to mix treatments for females needed by this wannabe man.

    This is madness, when a doctor having , or in his case transfering a file in the future, cannot indicate the biological make up of the indidual for treatment.
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    Hi Flash. Been a fan of you since your return to Avalon, story about your life for your daughter and success in that.

    I am on your side about the weirdos and the official kowtowing to the agenda. But I have worked alongside quite a variety of weirdos my whole life, and long ago I just decided to get along with them as best I could, since peace is good.

    But this doctor you speak of, did he not have any normal way to indicate biology, like XX vs. XY? If not, then yeah this seems like a circus. If yes, then he was just grandstanding.

    Cheers from Edmonton, balmy -23 and calm winds (up from below -30, with north breeze to 16 kliks).


    I think the real tragedy here (...without knowing the whole story, I apologize in advance) is that in a country like Canada, where there is an unacceptable waiting list by many citizens for a General Practitioner, one should ask exactly how many patients are without essential medical treatment for 3 months because of this narcisistic, foolish woke nonsense?
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