Musk is not the answer

[onawah]

A case of Elon playing both sides yet again is outlined starting at about 1 hour 28 minutes into The China Show:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=JZB9gw-EQVw

Musk is allowing the Chinese Communist Party to post blatant lies on X, and has been since he took over Twitter, and it has actually gotten much worse since then despite strong and concerted attempts by CCP dissidents to discredit that practice.
Musk's Tesla factory is still operating in China, with no indication that he is planning to relocate as so many other businesses have, due to the CCP's terrible policies.
Which may explain why Musk's policy is not only not anti-CCP, but could be said to be in league with them.

[TargeT]

Posted by onawah (here)
Musk is allowing the Chinese Communist Party to post blatant lies on X, and has been since he took over Twitter, and it has actually gotten much worse since then despite strong and concerted attempts by CCP dissidents to discredit that practice.
Musk's Tesla factory is still operating in China, with no indication that he is planning to relocate as so many other businesses have, due to the CCP's terrible policies.
Which may explain why Musk's policy is not only not anti-CCP, but could be said to be in league with them.

1st question, why should Elon musk pick sides on any topic that doesn't make sense for his business?

2nd question.. what the hell is this low bar post? I mean , I'm overwhelmed with information but at least look into the source a second or two?

I watched half that video, I bet it's more than you did because those two idiots... well how about this, do you know where they filed this from? Do you not think there's any bias there? haha, like.. how about this, if they did anything other than what this video is would they be in a reeducation camp or not?

Seriously, do you know who these two are,where they are from and their background, also.. Not a S I N G L E quantifiable piece of data from that video.. its almost completely useless and at the length, it might as well be.

This is a waste of everyones time, this is horrible information

[onawah]

I was posting episodes of The China Show on the "Turmoil in China" thread for quite some time, and I have watched each of the episodes I posted all the way through, though I skip sometimes through the less informative sections.
You are certainly entitled to your own opinion, but I would suggest that it might have been wiser to first learn more about the credibility of the two men who both spent more than a decade each living, working and travelling in China, becoming very familiar with the people and the living conditions there.
While their goal is certainly entertainment in part, it is also very much meant to educate those of us who know very little about what China is really like, sharing from their own unique, first hand experiences and from the information they still receive directly from Chinese citizens they befriended while they were living there.
They both married Chinese woman and so also have direct family connections in China to date.
They certainly know a lot more about China than anyone who has never been there, and I think there is a great deal to be learned, if you have the patience to take in the full scope of what they share.
Their style is not journalistic or academic, but experiential, which may not be to everyone's taste, but that doesn't mean it is without value.
I think I have learned more about China from them than I have from any other source I have referenced.

The comments about Musk's Tesla factory are my own; I think there is a clear connection between Musk's permissiveness toward the CCP's disinfo on X and his business association with the CCP.
Which contradicts much of the sentiment about Musk as being a humanitarian, but it certainly supports the portrayal of him as being a businessman first.

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by onawah (here)
Musk is allowing the Chinese Communist Party to post blatant lies on X, and has been since he took over Twitter, and it has actually gotten much worse since then despite strong and concerted attempts by CCP dissidents to discredit that practice.
Musk's Tesla factory is still operating in China, with no indication that he is planning to relocate as so many other businesses have, due to the CCP's terrible policies.
Which may explain why Musk's policy is not only not anti-CCP, but could be said to be in league with them.

1st question, why should Elon musk pick sides on any topic that doesn't make sense for his business?

2nd question.. what the hell is this low bar post? I mean , I'm overwhelmed with information but at least look into the source a second or two?

I watched half that video, I bet it's more than you did because those two idiots... well how about this, do you know where they filed this from? Do you not think there's any bias there? haha, like.. how about this, if they did anything other than what this video is would they be in a reeducation camp or not?

Seriously, do you know who these two are,where they are from and their background, also.. Not a S I N G L E quantifiable piece of data from that video.. its almost completely useless and at the length, it might as well be.

This is a waste of everyones time, this is horrible information

[Ernie Nemeth]

Social media is a detriment to human development. It short circuits grass roots movements because activists control the narrative on all those sites. No grass roots social movement has a chance against these gatekeepers. Elon himself is guilty of exactly this sort of interference. His site is no more 'fair' or 'unbiased' than any other such site.

The 'grapevine' of old served to moderate social movements by allowing a period to cool off and moderate their initial often knee-jerk reactions. Now, with electronic social media, memes go viral, snarky reactions go viral, and the activists can fan the flames of dissatisfaction and illogical responses before they can be moderated by more sane people who wait, think, and plan their responses with some degree of rationality.

[TargeT]

Posted by onawah (here)
but I would suggest that it might have been wiser to first learn more about the credibility of the two men who both spent more than a decade each living, working and travelling in China, becoming very familiar with the people and the living conditions there.
While their goal is certainly entertainment in part, it is also very much meant to educate those of us who know very little about what China is really like, sharing from their own unique, first hand experiences and from the information they still receive directly from Chinese citizens they befriended while they were living there.
They both married Chinese woman and so also have direct family connections in China to date.

Fair enough, I bow to your experiential knowledge.

I did not want to grow up poor on the west coast, I did not know that (born in oct '79) I was a white male and automatically evil 20 years after I grew up... I wonder if it would be more impactful if you understand the social pressures that have been imposed on me and my family (European muts) reguardless of our actual demonstrability actions.

Seriously.. if you don't know who I am and what I've done I feel very disheartaned.,

Are you suggesting that I have no base for comment on this?

Are you suggesting that I haven't tried my best to be what I am ?

I'm ****ing dying right now and you want to play ego games with me?


Please, enlighten me, what have you done?

I'm shocked at this point... maybe I need to shrink my circle further, I know people are selfish as **** but ****...

You know... This is a lesson that has been hitting me in the face for a while.. Enjoy. I'm going to be effective.


**this is an emotional response, it sucks thinking you will die before your parents and not be able to help your own children... doesn't mean it's direct.**

Enjoy your echo chamber, being human is hard... you'll get it eventually.

[onawah]

My comments were not meant to be taken personally.
However, I think anyone would agree it is advisable to research the credibility of sources of information before making a final judgement.

[onawah]

Rather than taking such a condescending tactic, I suggest checking out one of the several youtube channels the same two guys created which focus more on the serious aspects of what is going on in China currently.
See: https://www.youtube.com/@ChinaFactChasers
I would hazard a guess that the reason so much of The China Show is entertainment is because what's happening in China, due to the CCP's terrible polices, is so frightening and cruel that Matt's and Winston's (the show's creators) followers want it that way in order to prevent them from falling into despondency and despair, but not to ignore the crisis.
The fall of China is not just a national tragedy, it is a human tragedy and will be affecting the entire world if it continues.
And it likely will continue.
There is no echo chamber when posts on Avalon are directed more to the non-members who come to the forum to find the most relevant news.
I prefer that my efforts be spent ensuring that rather than more preaching to the choir or debating with Avalon members, who are more likely to already be aware of what is relevant.
I expect that by now, at 75 years on this planet living in poverty and disabled most of my life, if I haven't "got it" yet, I never will...

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by onawah (here)
but I would suggest that it might have been wiser to first learn more about the credibility of the two men who both spent more than a decade each living, working and travelling in China, becoming very familiar with the people and the living conditions there.
While their goal is certainly entertainment in part, it is also very much meant to educate those of us who know very little about what China is really like, sharing from their own unique, first hand experiences and from the information they still receive directly from Chinese citizens they befriended while they were living there.
They both married Chinese woman and so also have direct family connections in China to date.

Fair enough, I bow to your experiential knowledge.

I did not want to grow up poor on the west coast, I did not know that (born in oct '79) I was a white male and automatically evil 20 years after I grew up... I wonder if it would be more impactful if you understand the social pressures that have been imposed on me and my family (European muts) reguardless of our actual demonstrability actions.

Seriously.. if you don't know who I am and what I've done I feel very disheartaned.,

Are you suggesting that I have no base for comment on this?

Are you suggesting that I haven't tried my best to be what I am ?

I'm ****ing dying right now and you want to play ego games with me?


Please, enlighten me, what have you done?

I'm shocked at this point... maybe I need to shrink my circle further, I know people are selfish as **** but ****...

You know... This is a lesson that has been hitting me in the face for a while.. Enjoy. I'm going to be effective.


**this is an emotional response, it sucks thinking you will die before your parents and not be able to help your own children... doesn't mean it's direct.**

Enjoy your echo chamber, being human is hard... you'll get it eventually.

[TargeT]

Posted by onawah (here)
Rather than taking such a condescending tactic, I suggest checking out one of the several youtube channels the same two guys created which focus more on the serious aspects of what is going on in China currently.
See: https://www.youtube.com/@ChinaFactChasers
I would hazard a guess that the reason so much of The China Show is entertainment is because what's happening in China, due to the CCP's terrible polices, is so frightening and cruel that Matt's and Winston's (the show's creators) followers want it that way in order to prevent them from falling into despondency and despair, but not to ignore the crisis.
The fall of China is not just a national tragedy, it is a human tragedy and will be affecting the entire world if it continues.

I've watched them off and on for a while

I clearly spelled out that I was unstable at the time of posting, I'd delete it but it's better for context.

if I haven't "got it" yet, I never will...

I don't think that's possible, but then; I know less the more I think I know.


Probably best if I dip out from avalon for another year or so, maybe I'll be healthy then.

Ta ta all!

[onawah]

I would suggest that you stick around and just practice more self-restraint.
Avalon is a good venue for learning and growing.
I am in the process of bowing out myself now due to age and disability, but there are lots of sounding boards here, and no doubt more to come.

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by onawah (here)
Rather than taking such a condescending tactic, I suggest checking out one of the several youtube channels the same two guys created which focus more on the serious aspects of what is going on in China currently.
See: https://www.youtube.com/@ChinaFactChasers
I would hazard a guess that the reason so much of The China Show is entertainment is because what's happening in China, due to the CCP's terrible polices, is so frightening and cruel that Matt's and Winston's (the show's creators) followers want it that way in order to prevent them from falling into despondency and despair, but not to ignore the crisis.
The fall of China is not just a national tragedy, it is a human tragedy and will be affecting the entire world if it continues.

I've watched them off and on for a while

I clearly spelled out that I was unstable at the time of posting, I'd delete it but it's better for context.

if I haven't "got it" yet, I never will...

I don't think that's possible, but then; I know less the more I think I know.


Probably best if I dip out from avalon for another year or so, maybe I'll be healthy then.

Ta ta all!

[palehorse]

Don't let Musk get into your nerves folks, he certainly does not give two **** birds about anyone.
So I don't remember if I already posted here, if not here is what I think about musk: He is a snarf.

[Johnnycomelately]

I love it when threads get off-topic, you can post whatever you want. ~8D

And what the heck is a snarf? Am tumbling through the acroverse here lol.

But seriously, interesting back and forth since Natalie’s post (#141) of last Friday’s The China Show episode (this post here is Mon).

I think I’ve caught every episode of TCS, and a bunch before when the chan was called ADV China. I agree with onawah that they have cred, and I also owe them for most if what I know about China. I do see some warped ideology and downright sloppy thinking, pretty frequently, but I know better than to expect perfection.

T, Sir, I am interested in your objection, and wonder if that is based on your personal research. No AS (artificial stupidity) please, haha.

T, I hope you don’t pull an Atman, and disappear from here. I am still friends with him on email, but he left here after chagrin at not being answered squarely (my desription). IMO, you do more good here than you may realize, just like he did.

Peace, both. And healing too, where that could be used.

[palehorse]

Posted by Johnnycomelately (here)
I love it when threads get off-topic, you can post whatever you want. ~8D

And what the heck is a snarf? Am tumbling through the acroverse here lol.
..

LOL for lack of better word "snarf" was the first one that came into mind, I meant he is a greedy bastard... usually you can use this word when someone drink or eat to fast not sharing anything with anyone, so very greedily.


and yes absolutely off-topic, sorry folks.

[avid]

Target, please please come back, you are soo valued.

[Mike]

Posted by avid (here)
Target, please please come back, you are soo valued.

I second that! Hope you find your way back soon dude.

[mountain_jim]

copying here

Posted by mountain_jim (here)
https://x.com/WarClandestine/status/...868608666?s=20

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@WarClandestine
Trump’s support is stronger than its ever been.

Despite the Biden regime weaponizing all levers of government against Trump, raiding his home, indicting him, deploying all assets against him, etc.

This confirms the People are not buying what the MSM are selling. Meaning they are getting their news from independent/alternative media.

Trump’s rise in support can be largely attributed to Elon leveling the playing field on Twitter. Elon allowed for the free flow of information, and truth has risen to the top of a marketplace of free ideas. None of this would be happening if Elon does not buy the de facto public square and remove the algos that were brainwashing the masses.

Some of the most impactful citizen journalists currently shaping public perception, were banned from Twitter and were not allowed to speak, myself included. Stories that were 100% factual were labeled as disinformation, Hunter’s Laptop, US funded Biolabs in Ukraine, the list goes on and on.

This is why I have been so supportive of Elon. His actions made all of this possible. He gave us the tools to fight back against the machine, and it’s working. We are waking up millions of people with truth by circumventing the corrupt legacy media.

We are starting to see the rise of citizen journalist bear fruit. It’s reflecting in the polls and at the ballot box. We are winning.

[onawah]

To the uninformed, this might look magical, but to those who understand (such as the growing number of electrosensitive individuals) just how badly this kind of technology is affecting sentient lifeforms on Earth, it's a nightmare.
Elon Musk is no hero for creating this, or Neurolink, or Tesla Electric Vehicles in China. Despite what he has been doing to preserve free speech, he's clearly a player, and he is playing both sides.
That's not a hero, that's an opportunist.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=cyThDF-vI48

[apokalypse]

we have heard about trans-humanism for years and after yesterday announcement on Neurolink thing pretty much confirmed it...he's part of elites control opposition.

[ExomatrixTV]

Posted by Mike (here)

Posted by avid (here)
Target, please please come back, you are soo valued.

I second that! Hope you find your way back soon dude.

me too ..

[apokalypse]

@davidicke
Alex Jones, Tucker Carlson, Andrew Tate, Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro, Joe Rogan (long lost cause), Eva Vlaardingerbroek, and the rest of the Musk-worshipping MAM, when are you going to wake-the-**** up to see what this man really is? I despair at your naivety (and I am being optimistic that it is all naivety). Here he is making exactly the WEF case for a 'carbon tax' that Schwab and Gates have long demanded using the same arguments about the 'climate change' hoax - and all 'his' companies are advancing the Cult agenda for global dystopia - Space X, Neuralink, Tesla, even the tunnel-building Boring Company.
But still you lick his arse and call him the 'the biggest maverick in the last 500 years' because he promotes you on Twitter/X while seriously shadow-banning those with the intelligence to call him out for what he is doing.
Wherever you look, including his support for a universal basic income and the promotion of an AI takeover hidden behind his fake 'concern', he is pushing everything the WEF and the Global Cult wants to happen.
There was no 'alternative' media when I started out in 1990. I watched it appear and grow, and now you are destroying it with your pathetic submission to this blatant asset of the very Global Cult that you claim to oppose.
@RealAlexJones
@TuckerCarlson
@Cobratate
@jordanbpeterson
@BenShapiroShow
@joerogan
@EvaVlaar
https://x.com/davidicke/status/1753917091860664531?s=20

@RealAlexJones
David I have invited you on at least 5 times in the last month to talk about Musk. I am saying what ever I want on X and that is a good thing. I think of you as a friend so feel free to keep calling me out for being happy with Elons actions but at lest come on the show. If CNN said come on next week and say what ever you want I would. You are on X as well and reaching a lot of people.
https://x.com/RealAlexJones/status/1...315754096?s=20

@davidicke
Alex, mate, I don’t understand this post. I was asked to come on the show a couple of weeks or so ago and this was my reply to producer Daria on January 18th:
Daria ... sorry for the delay, mate. I am writing and researching a book at the moment and it's full-on, head-down, seven-days, all-day, coming up for air occasionally. Can you ask me in early February and we'll see how I am fixed then? I should be on the other side of the deep stuff by that time.
Hope you are well,
all the best,
David

That still stands. Not only do I want to discuss the Musk impact on the alternative media, it is important that these things are debated. My problem is not with people using ‘X’ while they can, of course not. It the hero worship of Musk and the way this has stopped his Cult-serving views and activities being questioned on the scale that they would have been before.
https://x.com/davidicke/status/1754249817151115289

https://x.com/Reptile_Hybrid/status/1678205224652267521

https://rumble.com/v1t0wxu-david-ick...om-europe.html

David on Alex/Infowars show last year, from that video one big interesting part is Icke's mention of unknown 95 shareholders of X holdings. I'm watching video now and first 20 minutes mention of ADL...out of the loop for a while.

Source: https://www.rumble.com/video/v1qer8y

[Bluegreen]

Elon Musk may turn out to be the one personally responsible for the end of the world as we know it, from both above and below. The number of satellites orbiting Earth is out of control (there are no controls in the satellite business), and while no one knows what effect this will have on Earth's relationship to the Sun and outer space, forecasts are dreadfully grim. Likewise, out of control tunnel boring (there are no controls in the tunnel boring business) may backfire in ways that cannot be predicted. Conspiracy theorists tell us there are already quite a few.