A look beneath the Holocaust Propaganda ...

[buckminster fuller]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
Ah yes, the comedian.
I recall the story.
Not interested in chomsky, sorry.
No time for left wing pretenders.
No offense to you, just my tolerance for them is at -12.434 and dropping.

I can understand that, still Chomsky does expose stuff that mainstream media will never do. I think the left / right view of things is an old paradigm crumbling down. Still an excellent source for information.

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by buckminster fuller (here)

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
Ah yes, the comedian.
I recall the story.
Not interested in chomsky, sorry.
No time for left wing pretenders.
No offense to you, just my tolerance for them is at -12.434 and dropping.

I think the left / right view of things is an old paradigm crumbling down. Still an excellent source for information.

I agree totally. In this case, I use that term as most people will realise where he is coming from.

[loveandgratitude]

The holocaust is like peeling away a onion with many rings inside. I hope this article is not deviating too much away from the Holocaust directly. Again...it is taking a look behind the curtain and seeing what was going on. So much was going on...much like a jig-saw puzzle, that each piece of the puzzle is important in the context but as an individual piece does not make much sense. I have been reading Peter Levenda’s research on the occult side of Hilter and the Nazi party. I have been trying for years to tie together the Jews and the Nazi. The only thread I can find is the FREEMASONS. This is lengthy for anyone for wishes to dive a little deeper.

The History
It all started with the Thule Gesellschaft, a pagan, anti-Semitic, right-wing aristocratic society founded by a Freemason and Eastern mystic named Baron Rudolf von Sebottendorff. They met every Saturday in Munich’s Four Season’s Hotel to discuss things like runes (an old German alphabet), racial evolution, Nordic mythology and German nationalism. Registered under the name "Thule Gessellschaft" as a "literary-cultural society", in order to fool the communist Red Army now controlling Munich, this group had originally been known as the Germanenorden, or the German Order Walvater of the Holy Grail. According to Levenda, ‘The Germanenorden had an impressive series of initiatory rituals, replete with knights in shining armor, wise kings, mystical bards and forest nymphs’, including a Masonic-style program of secrecy, initiation and mutual cooperation." But they were not copying the ideological aspects of Freemasonry.
As Levenda writes, "What the Germanenorden became was, essentially, an anti-Masonry: a Masonic-style society dedicated to the eradication of Freemasonry itself." Their symbol was a long dagger on top of a swastika, and their beliefs had been influenced largely by the writings of Guido von List and Lanz von Liebenfels, two men who will feature prominently in our story. Liebenfels had founded the neo-pagan, swastika-waving "Order of the New Templars" on Christmas Day, 1907, along similar ideological lines. In that same year, occult researcher Guido von List began The List Society, part of a then-developing "völkish" (folkish) movement extolling the virtues of Norse heritage, heritage which could be traced by reading the Edda, a compilation of Icelandic legends which Hitler would later take great interest in.
The völkish movement itself was based in part on the ideas of Madame Helena Blavatsky, founder of the Theosophical Society famous for her books Isis Unveiled and The Secret Doctrine. She wrote that humanity was descendant from a series of imperfect races which had once ruled the earth, and which all had a common Atlantean origin dating back millions of years, culminating in the Aryan race, which had at one point possessed supernatural powers but had since lost them.
She also romanticized about the occult significance of the swastika, of Lucifer, "The Light-Bearer", and of a cabal of spiritual "Hidden Masters" called the Great White Brotherhood, who guided human evolution from their abode in the Himalayas and who Blavatsky herself purported to channel during her many self-induced trances. And the philosophy of List and Liebenfels took this a bit further, to the extent that the Aryan race was the only "True" humanity, and that the Jews, along with a host of other undesirables, or "minderwertigen" ("beings of inferior value") were sapping the race of its strength and purity through the evil machination of Christianity, Freemasonry, capitalism and Communism. They believed that the Aryan race had come from a place called Thule, the north pole, where there was an entrance to a vast underground area populated by giants. "Among the völkish cults", writes Levenda, "it was believed that -- as soon as the Germans had purified the planet of the pollution of the inferior races -- these Hidden Masters, these Supermen from Thule, would make themselves known, and the link which had been lost between Man and God would be forged anew." 
There were the beliefs of the members of the Thule Gesellschaft when they met on November 9, 1918 to discuss something of immediate concern; The Communist control of Munich. After a rousing speech by Sebottendorf, the Thule Society began to prepare for a counter-revolution, stockpiling weapons and forming alliances with other like-minded groups, such and the Pan-Germans, the German School Bund and the Hammerbund.
The following year, on April 7, a Bavarian Soviet Republic was proclaimed in Munich, causing the Prime Minister of Bavaria to run off to Bamburg in order to prevent a total Communist take-over of the government. Six days later the Thule-Organized Palm Sunday Putsch failed to overcome the Communists in Munich, and now the Thule members were on the Red Army’s Most Wanted list. Sebottendorf got busy organizing an army of Freikorps (Freekorps) to counter-attack. (One of the units of the Freikorps, the Ehrhardt Brigade, later became part of the German Army, and eventually, part of the S.S.)
On April 26, the Red Army raided Thule headquarters and began making arrests, including the well-connected Prince von Thurn und Taxis. On April 30, Walpurgisnacht, they were executed in the Luitpold High School courtyard. The following day, their obituaries were published in Sebottendorf’s newspaper Münchener Beobachter (which would evolve one year later in to the official Nazi publication, Völkischer Beobachter.)
The citizens of Munich became outraged. The Thule Society organized a citizen rebellion, which was joined by the 20,000-member Freikorps, and together they marched, "beneath a swastika flag, with swastikas painted on their helmets, singing a swastika hymn." By May 3, after much bloodshed and destruction, the Communists in Munich were defeated. But there was much work to be done. The Soviet threat was still very real. With the help of the local police and military, the Thule began organizing a more full-scale national revolt, using connections with societies of wealthy intellectuals. They also began recruiting among Germany’s working class, by forming a group called the German Worker’s Party, which met regularly in beer halls to discuss the threat of Jews, Communists, and Freemasons. This group would later become the National Socialist German Workers’ Party -- The Nazi Party, and in November 1923, they would make their first attempt at national takeover, the failed Beer Hall Putsch, lead by a man who had originally been sent by the German Army to spy on them -- Adolf Hitler.
We all know what the Nazi party went on to accomplish. What most people do not know is the extent to which those actions were inspired by the occult beliefs of their perpetrators. As Levenda writes, "The most extreme aims of the Thule Society would all eventually become official policy of the Third Reich, while its purely metaphysical and occult characteristics were adopted wholeheartedly by the S.S."
Hitler himself was fascinated by the occult. While he was a college student he began reading Von Liebenfels’ magazine, Ostara. Later in 1909, while he was living in poverty in a men’s dormitory and hawking his paintings on the street, Hitler actually met Libenfels in his office, looking "so distraught and so impoverished that the New Templar himself gave Hitler free copies of Ostara and bus fare back home."
Hitler’s friend Josef Greiner recalls in his memoirs how obsessed young Adolf was with astrology, religion, occultism, magic and yoga. Hitler loved Wagner, as we know, especially The Ring Cycle, Parsifal, Lehengrin and Rienzi. It was from Wagner that Hitler gained his affinity for knighthood, chivalry, and the Quest of the Holy Grail, a pagan, Teutonic Grail.
In 1915, Hitler was at war, and while in the trenches, wrote a poem, one which "sings the praises of Wotan, the Teutonic Father God, and of runic letters, magic spells, and magic formulas." So there is no doubt that Hitler’s interest in occultism and paganism ran deep. There is doubt, however, as to whether or not Hitler actually performed any magical operations himself. According to Levenda, this was not in his nature, a nature inclined towards action, doing stuff, accomplishing things here on Earth, in the 3rd dimension. He did not have the time and the patience necessary for real spiritual endeavors. "Hitler was a paranoid", writes Levenda, "and the occult holds special attractions for the paranoid. But Hitler as a cultist? As a black-robed, ritual-performing, invocation-chanting priest of Satan? Probably not.
But Hitler as a tool of other cultists?
Probably so."
In fact, a number of people deeply involved in the occult would have great influence on him and play essential roles in the development of the Third Reich. It would do us well to examine them one by one.

Dietrich Eckart
Hitler, while working as the leader of the German Worker’s Party, became friends with Thulist Deitrich Eckart, who published a newspaper called Auf Gut Deutsch ("In Good German"), which "ranks with the Völkischer Beobachter as a racist sheer with intellectual pretensions." Eckart had a tremendous effect on Hitler, and was he who first introduced Hitler to all the wealthy and powerful people he needed make his crusade possible, including Henry Ford, who would later contribute "vital financial support" to the Nazi party. From Eckart, Hitler learned a great deal about the esoteric sciences, and it is said that they occasionally attended seances and talked to ghosts. Eckart, who died after the Beer Hall Putsch, is quoted as saying, "Hitler will dance, but it is I who plays the tune."

Alfred Rosenburg
Eckart protegé, and soon Hitler’s as well, was Alfred Rosenburg, a man who would later become "one of the architects of official Nazi policies." One of these policies was that all of the Masonic temples in all of the Nazi’s occupied territories were to be raided, and the goods shipped back to Rosenberg himself. This was done by Franz Six and Otto Ohlendorf, both occultists. Rosenberg was also friends with another occultist named Walther Darré, who became agricultural minister of the Third Reich. "Together", writes Levenda, "they ran around the nation drumming up support for an official state religion based on the worship of the Old Gods, a religion that included purifying the Aryan race of elements that were in the process of polluting it and diluting the strength of its blood."

Erik Jan Hanussen
In 1932, after his Nazi Party had lost much ground in the Reichstag, and his mistress Eva Braun had shot herself on Halloween Night, Hitler turned to his friend Erik Jan Hanussen, a well-known astrologer and occultist whom he had met back in 1926. Hannusen is supposed to have taught Hitler a number of exaggerated gestures to use in public speaking, ones which could be seen and understood from far away, and which would communicate a message through body language even if a person could not hear what he was saying. Hanussen had never read Hitler’s stars before, but on this occasion in 1932, upon request, he drew up an astrological chart for the future Führer, and told Hitler that his troubles stemmed from an evil hex that someone had cast on him. Furthermore, he said, the only way to get rid of it was for someone to go to a butcher’s backyard located in Hitler’s hometown -- at midnight, on a full moon -- and pull a mandrake out of the ground.
For those who don’t know, a mandrake is a "man-shaped" root with supposed medicinal properties which, according to European folklore, will emit an ear-shattering scream upon being uprooted. Sometime a dog would be sent on a suicide mission to pull the root while the magician plugged his own ears. Hanussen performed the ritual himself, and on January 1st of 1933 came to Hitler predicting that he would return to power on the 30th of that month, "a date roughly equivalent to the pagan sabbat of Oimelc." Of course, as is known to history, that is exactly what happened. A few weeks later, during a seance held on February 26, Hanussen predicted that the Communists would make another attempt at revolution in Germany, one that would begin by setting an important government building on fire. "The next day", wrote Levenda, "the Reichstag was in flames and Hitler had all the excuse he needed to go from Chancellor of Germany to Führer of the Third Reich." Six weeks later, Hanussen was mysteriously murdered.

Wilhelm Gutberlet
There was also another astrologer, a shareholder in the Völkischer Beobachter who had been Hitler’s close friend since the days of the German Worker’s Party in 1919. In the memoirs of Walter Schellenberg he is described as "a Munich physician who belonged to the intimate circle around Hitler. Gutberlet believed in the ‘sidereal pendulum’, an astrological contraption, and claimed that this had given him the power to sense at once the presence of any Jews or persons of partial Jewish ancestry, and to pick them out in any group of people. Hitler availed himself of Gutberlet’s mystic power and had many discussions with him on racial questions.

Rudolf Hess
A friend of Hitler’s from way back, he had been arrested at the Beer Hall Putsch with him in 1923, and had transcribed Hitler’s Mein Kampf (originally titled Four and a Half Years of Struggle Against Lies, Stupidity and Cowardice) while they were both in prison. He later became Hitler’s Deputy Führer. He was an "intimate" of the Thule Society and was way into the occult. Hess introduced Hitler to one of his professors, Karl Haushofter, a man with an interest in astrology who claimed clairvoyance. Haushoffer later came to wield considerable power in Germany by founding the Deutsche Akadamie, and by heading the University of Munich’s Institute Geopolitik -- "A kind of think tank-cum-intelligence agency", according to Levenda. He was vital in forming the Nazi alliances with Japan and South America, and was responsible for the adoption of the Lebensraum ("Living Room") policy, which stated that "a sovereign nation, to ensure the survival of its people, had a right to annex the territory of other sovereign nations to feed and house itself."

Himmler and the S.S.
The S.S. (Schuzstafel) was originally formed as a personal bodyguard to Hitler, and numbered around 300 when Heinrich Himmler joined. But when he rose to its leadership in 1929, things changed a bit. Four years later, membership had soared to 52,000. He established headquarters at a medieval castle called Wewelsburg, where his secret inner order met once a year. According to Walther Schellenberg’s memoirs, "Each member had his own armchair with an engraved silver nameplate, and each had to devote himself to a ritual of spiritual exercises aimed mainly at mental concentration.  The focal point of Wewelsburg, evidently owing much to the legend of King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table, was a great dining hall with an oak table to seat twelve picked from the senior Gruppenführers. The walls were to be adorned with their coats of arms."  Underneath this dining hall there was kept a so-called "realm of the dead", a circular well in which these coats of arms would be burnt and the ashes worshipped after the "knight" had died. (There are tales of Himmler using the severed heads of deceased S.S. officers to communicate with ascended masters.) In addition to this, each knight had his own room, "decorated in accordance with one of the great ancestors of Aryan majesty." Himmler’s own room was dedicated to a Saxon King Henry the Fowler, whose ghost Himmler sometimes conversed with.
Outside of the inner order, SS officers were discouraged from participating in Christian ceremonies, including weddings and christenings, and celebrated the Winter Solstice instead of Christmas. The traditional day of gift exchange was switched to the day of the summer solstice celebration. Writes Levenda, "These ceremonies were replete with sacred fires, torchlit processions, and invocations of Teutonic deities, all performed by files of young blond-haired, blue-eyed Aryan supermen." Although Himmler admired the ceremonial nature of Catholicism and modeled the S.S. partially on the Order of the Jesuits, he also despised Christianity for what he considered its weak, masochistic nature. He held further resentment because of the persecution of German witches during the Inquisition.
Himmler, along with Richard Darré, was responsible for absorbing The Ahnenerbe Society "a kind of seminary and teaching college for the future leaders of the Thousand Year Reich", into the S.S. The Ahenenerbe was devoted to some odd völkish studies, each of which had a subdivision dedicated to it: "Celtic Studies", Externsteine (near Wewelsburg), where the world-tree Yggdrasil was supposed to reside, Icelandic research; Tibetan research, runic studies; a strange new twist on physics called the "World Ice Theory", an archeological research in an effort to find evidence of past Aryan presence in remote locations all over the world, such as South America, giving rise to "Aryans discovered America" stories. Another theory propounded by Himmler was that babies that had been conceived in cemeteries would inherit the spirits of whoever was buried there, and actually published lists of cemeteries that were good for breeding because of the Teutonic heroes resting therein. Himmler was obsessed with the concept of the Holy Grail, and hired researchers to try and prove that the Grail was actually a Nordic pagan artifact.

The Allied Occult Offense
According to Levenda, "Himmler was obsessed by the idea that British Intelligence was being run by the Rosicrucian order, and that occult adepts were in charge of MI5." Whether or not that was true, the Germans were certainly not the only participants in the war using the power of magick to their advantage. Levenda provides the details of a "Cult Counterstrike" organized by the intelligence agencies of the U.S. and Britain, an effort centering around the "most evil man in the world", the Great Beast 666, Aleister Crowley.

Crowley had gone to live in New York during WWI after being rejected for military service by the British government, and began writing "pro-German propaganda" for a magazine called The Fatherland, published by George Viereck. Crowley took over as editor. He later claimed that he had really been working for British Intelligence, because "his articles were so outlandish that the journal was reduced to absurdity, a caricature of serious political discussion, which would help the British cause more than harm it."
There is some evidence to suggest that Crowley was working for MI5 during this time, spying on his fellow OTO initiate Karl Germer, a German intelligence agent, ao perhaps his excuse for working for The Fatherland is sound. Whatever the case, he was definitely hired by MI5 during WWII. Crowley had become friends with author Dennis Wheatley, well-known for a number of fiction and non-fiction books based on the occult who had once worked for Winston Churchill’s Joint Planning Staff. He had been introduced to Crowley by a journalist named Tom Driberg, who would later become a spy for MI5 as well, and who would come into possession of Crowley’s diaries shortly after his death in 1947.
Wheatley also introduced Crowley to yet another MI5 agent, Maxwell Knight. Knight was the real historical figure behind the fictional character "M" in all the James Bond novels, written by Knight’s friend in the Department of Naval Intelligence, Ian Fleming. Crowley met Knight for dinner at Wheatley’s house, and it was there that Crowley agreed to take them both on as magick students. Later, Ian Fleming dreamed up a way to use Crowley’s expertise in a scheme against the Germans. The scheme involved an Anglo-German organization known as "The Link", a supposed "cultural society" which had once been under the leadership of Sir Barry Domville, Director of Naval Intelligence from 1927 to 1930.
The Link had been investigated by Maxwell Knight in the 1930s because of its involvement in German spy operations, and was soon dissolved after much incriminating evidence was found. As Levenda describes, Fleming "thought that the Nazis could be made to believe that the The Link was still in existence, they could use it as bait for the Nazi leadership. The point was to convince the Nazis that The Link had sufficient influence to overthrow the Churchill government and thereby to install a more pliable British government, one which would gladly negotiate a separate peace with Hitler."
The suggestion came in the form of fake astrological advice passed on to the gullible Rudolf Hess, who was already under the delusion that only he could talk the British into peace with Germany, and that it was his destiny to do so. One of his staff astrologers, Dr. Ernst Schulte-Strathaus, under British employ, encouraged Hess to make his mission to England on May 10, 1941 a significant date because of a rare conjunction of six planets in the sign of Taurus. The Duke of Hamilton was also enlisted to let Hess know that he would be happy to entertain him should he plan to go through with such an endeavor. So Hess, a trained pilot, embarked on a rather dangerous solo flight to the British Isles, parachuting into Scotland donned in various occult symbols, where he was immediately arrested by the waiting Brits. According to Levenda, "Fleming tried to obtain permission for Crowley to debrief Hess in order to develop intelligence on the occult scene in the Third Reich and particularly the Nazi leadership." But this permission was denied, and Hess spent the rest of his days in prison not being much use to anybody. Levenda finds this suspicious, for “What could have been a major propaganda coup against the Nazis went utterly wasted, as if by tacit agreement on both sides."
After Hess’ arrest, Hitler denounced him as a crazed madman, and began persecuting astrologers and occultists in his own domains more so than ever before. Crowley continued trying to help the Allied cause, but most of his ideas were rejected. One, however, while initially dismissed, was later implemented. This involved dropping occult pamphlets on the German countryside that predicted a dire outcome for the war and depicted the Nazi leadership as Satanic. A forgery of a popular German astrological magazine called Zenit was created and dropped onto enemy battlefields. It was set for full-scale distribution, but the delivery was intercepted by the Gestapo before it could be completed.
Besides Crowley, there were other occultists involved in the fight against the Third Reich. One of Crowley’s protegés, Jack Parsons, who was the Head of the Agapé O.T.O. Lodge in California as well as a charter member of both Cal-Tech and the Jet propulsion Laboratory, invented the "Greek Fire" rocket propellant which was widely used by the United State Navy between 1944 and 1945.
According to Levenda, it was "a solution that could have only come from someone with a working knowledge of the arcane lore of alchemy and magic." (Parsons later killed himself in an accident involving fulminate of mercury. He had been driven crazy and proclaimed himself the Anti-Christ after becoming involved with one "Frater H", who was actually a spy sent by Naval Intelligence to infiltrate the O.T.O. That spy’s name was L. Ron Hubbard!) There was also a Golden dawn initiate named Sam Untermyer, an attorney and wealthy philanthropist once called a "Satanist" by a British newspaper. Untermyer started the "Non-Sectarian Anti-Nazi League to Champion Human Rights" and the "World-Anti-Nazi Council, which both promoted the boycott of German products. He also donated money to the hunt for Nazi agents coming into New York. And with the help of a man named Richard Rollins, he started a secret society called "the Board" which engaged in counterespionage against Nazi groups who were recruiting in the United States.
The World War II that Levenda describes is a magick war, and a holy war, a war in which both sides consider themselves to be fighting the forces of evil. It is a war operated behind the scenes by mystical adepts using their esoteric knowledge of symbolism, astrology, meditation, astral travel, clairvoyance, and mind control against the enemy.

[Lord Sidious]

Very interesting Loveandgratitude.
Mostly correct.
For those who are interested in the SS, google this; Emil Maurice.
Report back here please if you do.

[aikisaw]

I made a correction in my post 329. In another thread we were talking about the swastika and the colors of the German flag.
Correct link https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post143347

Things were discussed in the following thread that may be helpful here.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-US-Exhibition

Sorry for the confusion.

[karelia]

Okay, so Emil Maurice was Hitler's friend, SS member #2, and when Himmler tried to expel him because he had a Jewish grandparent, Hitler stepped in to prevent Himmler's demand.

Also, I discovered that Google's search engine seems to censor a few site. I used scroogle.org and found a site that may, potentially, be a gold mine of information. I started reading the German section of it, but perhaps someone can look at the English one, and we could do a comparison. http://www.wintersonnenwende.com There seem to be lots of scanned original documents.

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by karelia (here)
Okay, so Emil Maurice was Hitler's friend, SS member #2, and when Himmler tried to expel him because he had a Jewish grandparent, Hitler stepped in to prevent Himmler's demand.

Also, I discovered that Google's search engine seems to censor a few site. I used scroogle.org and found a site that may, potentially, be a gold mine of information. I started reading the German section of it, but perhaps someone can look at the English one, and we could do a comparison. http://www.wintersonnenwende.com There seem to be lots of scanned original documents.

Right, so you found that the founder of the SS was part jewish.
Interesting, no?

[loveandgratitude]

In 1915, Hitler was at war, and while in the trenches, wrote a poem, one which "sings the praises of Wotan, the Teutonic Father God, and of runic letters, magic spells, and magic formulas."
My understanding that the swastika came from the runes. Runes are a form of ancient alphabet, representing letters. Many runes have been found in Germany. Researchers believe that the symbols were related to religious beliefs in ancient Germany.

According to Rex Curry research he states that -
One of the most notorious runes is the rune that resembles and corresponds to the letter "S" in ancient Germany.
http://rexcurry.net/fascism-third-re...wastika456.jpg

A lot of research on runes occurred before the amazing recent discovery by the famed runologist Dr. Rex Curry (author of "Swastika Secrets"), showing that when German socialists performed the straight-arm salute to their swastika flag, they were saluting alphabetic "S" symbolism for "socialism." The swastika, although an ancient symbol, was used sometimes by German National Socialists to represent "S" letters for their "socialism."

Hitler altered the flag after his first description of the flag the flag in Mein Kampf (written in 1923 and was published as both volumes in 1925-26). The early German National Socialist Standards had the swastika flat on one side and even pointing in either direction. It was not until 1935 that the current concept of the swastika flag became the official flag of Germany. Many years passed between the vague Mein Kampf comment and the data given in the German Flaggenbuch 1939 and in the VO of 30 December 1933. Everyone who has commented on the design of the flag, completely missed this discovery until Dr. Rex Curry's work. http://rexcurry.net/book1a1contents-swastika.htm

Many people do not know that German socialists did not call their rune-style symbol a swastika. It was called a Hakenkreuz.

Most people do not know that a cross was worshiped as the notorious symbol of the National Socialist German Workers' Party. Hakenkreuz means "hooked cross." It is one of the biggest cover-ups in history. The hooked cross became a symbol of Christian Socialism.

With a 45 degree turn of his symbol, and by pointing new uses clockwise, the leader of German National Socialists highlighted the "S" shapes to combine the cross with collectivism, merge church and state, mesh religion and socialism, and mandate the worship of government. He altered his own signature to use the same symbolism and similar alphabetic symbolism still shows on Volkswagens.

The noted symbologist Dr. Curry had previously shown that the straight-arm salute originated in the USA where it had been the early salute to the USA's flag in the Pledge of Allegiance, that had originally been created by the self-proclaimed national socialist Francis Bellamy, cousin and cohort to the also-famous Edward Bellamy, another national socialist in the USA and known worldwide. http://rexcurry.net/book1a1contents-pledge.html

People were persecuted for refusing to give the straight-arm salute to the national flag. That persecution occurred in the USA (to the stars and stripes) and in Germany (to the swastika flag) at the same time, although it started in the USA first. Today, most people in the USA were educated in government schools (socialist schools), so they are ignorant of the fact that it was happening in both Germany and the USA.

It was part of the dogma that led to the socialist Wholecaust (of which the Holocaust was a part): 65 million dead under the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics; 49 million dead under the Peoples' Republic of China; 21 million dead under the National Socialist German Workers' Party.

Children of various races and backgrounds attended government schools that were segregated by law and they were forced to perform the straight-arm salute in robotic chanting every morning at the ring of a government bell (just as it is done today but with a different gesture).

Many people considered the raised-arm salute to the national flag to be sacrilegious worship of government and socialism. Religious people had good reasons to consider the pledge / salute to be sacrilegious, in that Germans used the ritual toward their Hakenkreuz flag, the hooked-cross flag.

In ancient Norse tradition wecan see the swastika being called as the Thor's Hammer. In This tratidion, t'is symbol was used as protection
against evil forces and was used by Einherjars (Great Warriors or Heroes who fighted to the death for Justice, for they own people, etc). We can see t'is Symbol in the scealta (celtic) culture and many others, as Greek, Jewish, North American Indians and much more. We can see too in the Palm of the hindu God Ganesha (the elephant faced God of good fortune), and in The Breast of Vishnu (The God who protect the Universe, one of the Trimurti) and even in the breast of the Chakravartin rajam (the wheel rolling kings) as one of the 32 signs of the Universal honored one's body.
So, we can see its symbol too in the breast of the Shakyamuni Buddha too.

As it was explained before, the clockwise swastika is not evil or good itself, nor the unclockwise. And the clockwise represents the creaction forces and the unclockwise represents the destruction forces. Hitler was used the unclockwise swastika to use her powers in aid of hisdestructive works and because the swastika is a so ancient symbol that it is a part of the germanic people sub-conscience archaetipal.
The swastika is a universal archaetipal symbol. Under various shapes, it can be found in the aztec, buddhist, chinese, japanese, denmark, hindu,
tibetan (buddhism and bompo), native americans, saxons and scandinaves peoples religion. The mere word swastika comes
from the sanskrit word "svas" (goodness) and the entire word "swastika" means "All is good". It is believed that it is derivated from the solar ring or from the greek cross inside a circle, that constitute another important symbol amongst the Hallristinger characters. It denotes the daily sun
movement across the sky and the annual season circles, ritualistically refered in the observance of the pagan religion. In the extreme orient, the swastika is acknowledged in all places as a symbol of good healthy, happiness and cosmic perfection.
It exists some indices that the swastika was used by the Church under the medieval age, even if the German National Socialist Party addopted it as their politic symbol because it is a pagan symbol. Nigel Pennick, who extensively writened about the swastika than the runes, has said that the mitra used by Thomas Beckett when he was assassined, showed its edge filled with many swastikas.

In the pagan inscriptio it means:

"Hail, Oh Earth, Mankind Mother.
Shall thee be prosperous
in the God's embrace and be
inundated by fruits to the men's welfare".

It was whispered that Beckett has some clandestine conections with the Old Pagan Religion than the cartarians Heretic religion, and that his death
was a ritual murder. Pennick said also about the kristjan uses of Swastika in a stained-glass window of the Saint Sepulchre church, in Cambridge, and in a church in Cliffory, in the Sligo county where still have a stone of unknow age with a celtic cross and a swastika carved on. All these kristjans examples could be pagan remnicenses, but what we can say about the swastika that was found in the ruins of an ancient sinagogue at the east of Jordan River, as mentioned by Pennick?

The Swastika is directly conected with the runes by the Hallristinger characters [the ancestral characters of the runic futhark alphabet,
according to many researchers, and maybe it was used by the Vanir worship that existed before the aesir worship in north europe, since these
characters is from the stone age or neolithic times. Halristinger characters hast used as strong nature force symbols with shamanical purposes, then I suppose it was used in Space-Craft in the past], as well the fact it is frequently found near runic symbols.

A classical example of that is the fammous menir of Hogby, in Sweden. T'is menir is covered with several runes that was carved on its
surface, as well some greek crosses, crosses of the kristjan calvary, wyrms and swastikas. Pennick tells about the scandinavian influence
oven the neighbour Finland, that hast native shamanistic traditions too. Even in 1939, airplanes of the Finnish Airforce hast used swastikas in their wings. Both militar and civil medals emmited by Finland government at this time was with swastika in the design. But since the german troops invaded France in 1940, the swastika disapeared, with the obvious exeption of the nazi flags. In the early years around 1930 C.E., the british writer Rudyard Kipling hast ordered that the swastika, a symbol that was addorned on all of his books, to be retired. Kipling did not advogated the
national-socialism; as a passionated lover of India, he used the swastika in its old meaning, as a good fortune charm.

The National-Socialism [Nazi] adopted the swastika because it is a symbol that has a great meaning to the arian "race" or to the Indo-European folks. According to their political ideology, an arian was any non-judaic folk whose ancestry was teutonic or nordic. The word "arian" comes from the sanskrit "arya" and means "noble". It refers to the people who was warriors and fighters, and appearednear the Caspian sea with their own independent ethnical identity around 3000 B.C.E. In India, these arian caste is represented by the brahman caste [the priesthood caste] and the Warrior caste know in sanskrit as Ks'atrya. These proto-indo-european folks was the ancestral folks of the romans, germanic, greeks, slavonians, iranians, and according to some researches, of the Central america's Mayan folks, that means of course, the Brazil native Indians whose ancestry is direct conected with the mayan, to have a conection with the Indo-European folks. These ones formed the basis of the nowaddays severan ethnical branches of the european family. More than that, the swastika is an warrior charm that help the warrior to be granted with victory on a battle. Through the forces involved is not infalible, the german army that was not the most powerful at the beggining of the II world war, conquered almost of the Europe and they lost the war only for a tactical error of Adolph Hitler in tryingto conquer Russia at a very wrong season time.

As a charm, the swastika was not good, NOR evil, but only a tool that could be handed by a evil or a good hand. This is the reasons that we cannot deny the holyness of the swastika and cannot blamme it for the crimes perpretated by the nazi as in the same way, we can't blamme a knife of assassination in the hands of a murderer. All the fault is in the hands of the murderer. The same knife can still be used to save someone's life or prepare some meals. The Swastika still being a powerful symbol, and it still can be used to several positives issues.
And why not? It can even be again a inspirative symbol of compassion and benevolence.

It is rumoured that many car logos are from runes such as Mercedes and Mitsubishi.

[Lord Sidious]

With all due respect to you Loveandgratitude, that was mostly a waste of the time it took you to post it.
Most of these ''authorities'' distort much and come up with the most bizarre theories and explanations for things.
He did have some very interesting tidbits in there, but it was mostly fantasy.
This isn't a criticism of you either, just so that you know.

[loveandgratitude]

I keep getting diverted. Lets start digging to find how many members of the Nazi and SS were Jewish.

I found this jewel. A nazi who turns out to be a jew in recent times. Remember this -

http://wideeyecinema.com/?p=10042 LOL

Also a very interesting read - A Book by Henneck Kardel -
ADOLF HITLER - FOUNDER OF ISRAEL-

http://wideeyecinema.com/?p=6743

In the introduction he suggest to find a book called -
BEFORE HITLER CAME by German Jew - Dietrich Bronder
Printed in 1964 - In this book he look at who was Jewish in
Hilters apparatus. Here is a start

Of Jewish descent, or being related to Jewish families were: the Leader and Reichschancelor Adolf Hitler; his representatives the Reichsminister Rudolf Hess; the Reichsmarshall Hermann
Goering; the Reichsleader of the NSDAP Gregor Strasser, Dr.Josef Goebbels, Alfred Rosenberg, Hans Frank, Heinrich Himmler; the Reichsminister von Ribbentrop (who pledged
close friendship with the famous Zionist Chaim Weizmann, the first head of the State of Israel who died in 1952); von Keudell; field commanders Globocnik (the Jewish
destructor); Jordan and Wilhelm Hube; the great SS-Leaders Reinhard Heydrich, Erich von dem Bach-Zelewski and von Keudell II, who also were active in the destruction of Jews. Next came Hitler's bankers and before 1933 supporters: Ritter von Stauss (Vice-president of the NS-Parliament); von Stein; the General Field Marshall and Secretary of State Milch; the Under-Secretary of State Gauss; the physicist and old Party members Philipp von Lenhard and Abraham Esau; the very old party-member Hanffstaengel, NSDAP's newspaper Chief of Foreign Department (later on an advisor to President D.E.Roosevelt) as well as professor Haushofer."'
(8) (Inset: all of them were members of the secret Thule Order/ Society) This list is not complete. If you devote a little time to these findings of the relation between Hitler's sick
hatred towards his kinsmen, with his henchmen on one side, and the creation of the State of Israel on the other, then you should satisfy your curiosity. Nevertheless the author as well as the publisher will be thankful for any new evidence which might emerge.

The main supporters of fulfilling the "Work of Masters" were Reinhard Heydrich, predominantly Jewish (above) and the full Jew Adolf Eichmann (below). As the organizer of the Jewish
emigration prior to the Second World War Eichmann traveled to the country which today is Israel. "The only reason for the name change to 'Eichmann' was to get away from the ancestors name and from the history of Jewish people", wrote the Jewish names
researcher G. Kessler in Leipzig, 1935.

Hennecke Kardel dedicated his work to "THE MOST PERSECUTED IN OUR TIME - THE TRUTH", which is not quite right, for throughout the past 2000 years the "TRUTH" with the "Holy
Bible" is courageously marching on but the people are not seeking it. If they were, they would not be glorifying errors which impede evolution of the human mind.

Kardel's work illustrates to what sacrifices human beings are willing to go if driven by a "superior" ideology. It shows people with their creative and destructive faculties used
almost at the same time, climaxing in the "THIRTY YEAR WAR OF IDEOLOGIES", and as the Author correctly observed, it is the "SAME TIME" in the history of mankind.

Find his book here at this link -

http://wideeyecinema.com/?p=6743

[karelia]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
Right, so you found that the founder of the SS was part jewish.
Interesting, no?

Yes, indeed, though the more I'm learning, the less I'm surprised.

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by loveandgratitude (here)
I keep getting diverted. Lets start digging to find how many members of the Nazi and SS were Jewish.

I found this jewel. A nazi who turns out to be a jew in recent times. Remember this -

http://wideeyecinema.com/?p=10042 LOL

Also a very interesting read - A Book by Henneck Kardel -
ADOLF HITLER - FOUNDER OF ISRAEL-

http://wideeyecinema.com/?p=6743

In the introduction he suggest to find a book called -
BEFORE HITLER CAME by German Jew - Dietrich Bronder
Printed in 1964 - In this book he look at who was Jewish in
Hilters apparatus. Here is a start

Of Jewish descent, or being related to Jewish families were: the Leader and Reichschancelor Adolf Hitler; his representatives the Reichsminister Rudolf Hess; the Reichsmarshall Hermann
Goering; the Reichsleader of the NSDAP Gregor Strasser, Dr.Josef Goebbels, Alfred Rosenberg, Hans Frank, Heinrich Himmler; the Reichsminister von Ribbentrop (who pledged
close friendship with the famous Zionist Chaim Weizmann, the first head of the State of Israel who died in 1952); von Keudell; field commanders Globocnik (the Jewish
destructor); Jordan and Wilhelm Hube; the great SS-Leaders Reinhard Heydrich, Erich von dem Bach-Zelewski and von Keudell II, who also were active in the destruction of Jews. Next came Hitler's bankers and before 1933 supporters: Ritter von Stauss (Vice-president of the NS-Parliament); von Stein; the General Field Marshall and Secretary of State Milch; the Under-Secretary of State Gauss; the physicist and old Party members Philipp von Lenhard and Abraham Esau; the very old party-member Hanffstaengel, NSDAP's newspaper Chief of Foreign Department (later on an advisor to President D.E.Roosevelt) as well as professor Haushofer."'
(8) (Inset: all of them were members of the secret Thule Order/ Society) This list is not complete. If you devote a little time to these findings of the relation between Hitler's sick
hatred towards his kinsmen, with his henchmen on one side, and the creation of the State of Israel on the other, then you should satisfy your curiosity. Nevertheless the author as well as the publisher will be thankful for any new evidence which might emerge.

The main supporters of fulfilling the "Work of Masters" were Reinhard Heydrich, predominantly Jewish (above) and the full Jew Adolf Eichmann (below). As the organizer of the Jewish
emigration prior to the Second World War Eichmann traveled to the country which today is Israel. "The only reason for the name change to 'Eichmann' was to get away from the ancestors name and from the history of Jewish people", wrote the Jewish names
researcher G. Kessler in Leipzig, 1935.

Hennecke Kardel dedicated his work to "THE MOST PERSECUTED IN OUR TIME - THE TRUTH", which is not quite right, for throughout the past 2000 years the "TRUTH" with the "Holy
Bible" is courageously marching on but the people are not seeking it. If they were, they would not be glorifying errors which impede evolution of the human mind.

Kardel's work illustrates to what sacrifices human beings are willing to go if driven by a "superior" ideology. It shows people with their creative and destructive faculties used
almost at the same time, climaxing in the "THIRTY YEAR WAR OF IDEOLOGIES", and as the Author correctly observed, it is the "SAME TIME" in the history of mankind.

Find his book here at this link -

http://wideeyecinema.com/?p=6743

Let me say that this guy is stretching to the point of including anyone who saw a jew in the streets almost.

Let me give you some examples.

Hitler; Had no jewish blood, Reinhard Heydrich did at least 3 investigations at the behest of Himmler.
Heydrich; His grandmother remarried, after her husband died. The new husband was jewish, but that doesn't make Heydrich jewish.
Hess; He was part German, part Greek and was born in Alexandria Egypt. No jewish blood from what I recall.
Milch; the second in command of the Luftwaffe was jewish and under the protection of Goering. There is a famous anecdote where someone told Goering that Milch was jewish, whereupon he exploded and yelled ''I will tell YOU who is jewish'' as he already knew.
Frank; Ironically, this is the guy that told the allies at Nuremburg that rumour of Hitler being part jewish. I am not sure if he was himself.
Eichmann; An interesting question. He was fluent in Hebrew and was a major player in the signing of the Haavara. Not sure if he was indeed jewish or part, but it didn't save him in the end.

[Gustav]

Posted by karelia (here)
Okay, so Emil Maurice was Hitler's friend, SS member #2, and when Himmler tried to expel him because he had a Jewish grandparent, Hitler stepped in to prevent Himmler's demand.

Also, I discovered that Google's search engine seems to censor a few site. I used scroogle.org and found a site that may, potentially, be a gold mine of information. I started reading the German section of it, but perhaps someone can look at the English one, and we could do a comparison. http://www.wintersonnenwende.com There seem to be lots of scanned original documents.

I think it is a gold mine indeed. So thank you for the posts. Even if the sources were half-truths, they represent another point of view that I have never seen or heard before. I think the people behind the site are being wise sticking to what they can confirm, because much of this is way too explosive to discuss in the open light. Although that is the place where it should be discussed instead of being stuffed away..

Thanks also for the info on the jewish origins of some of the nazi-leadership. It was actually my history teacher who told me this "when I was so much younger than today". Really interesting.

[RedeZra]

I'm just curious Sidious since you are so well versed in the real events inside the Third Reich surly you must have come across the new technologies invented there and see the obvious link between things like 'Haunebu' and the UFO craze after WWII

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by RedeZra (here)
I'm just curious Sidious since you are so well versed in the real events inside the Third Reich surly you must have come across the new technologies invented there and see the obvious link between things like 'Haunebu' and the UFO craze after WWII

That is a whole new area but yes, there is a lot of this and it does have roots within the struggle to kill the Reich.
They didn't succeed.

[RedeZra]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)

That is a whole new area but yes, there is a lot of this and it does have roots within the struggle to kill the Reich.
They didn't succeed.

Surly the Third Reich did not survive in Germany so I take it that you're hinting at another Reich perhaps a Pax Americana ?

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)

That is a whole new area but yes, there is a lot of this and it does have roots within the struggle to kill the Reich.
They didn't succeed.

Surly the Third Reich did not survive in Germany so I take it that you're hinting at another Reich perhaps a Pax Americana ?

The Reich is dispersed across the world.
America is host to some parts, but it is not of America.
Some of it is in Germany as well.

[K626]

I notice the deaths at Auschwitz keep getting rounded DOWN.

cheers

K

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by K626 (here)
I notice the deaths at Auschwitz keep getting rounded DOWN.

cheers

K

Did you also notice the 6 million number doesn't change?

[K626]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)

Posted by K626 (here)
I notice the deaths at Auschwitz keep getting rounded DOWN.

cheers

K

Did you also notice the 6 million number doesn't change?

Kaballah.


cheers

Krinklestein.