The Raw Primal Diet vs Vegetarianism

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
People will get hungry enough to began hunting and trapping for vegan spiritualists.

hahahahahaha "This is my body, which shall be given up for you" - oh wait a minute, that guy ate fish.

Dennis

[Mu2143]

Where have I judged anyone? sorry, don't understand you. As far as cooked meat goes, I can give you a detailed description of what it does in the body, and any cooked food for that matter. You are basically trying to tell me that some people can be healthy eating arsenic, and some can't. No judgment, just a discussion.

Love and Light, Rayne

Where have I judged anyone

Did I say you did, no ? I was making a point and it is indeed a discussion but some people here feel this way.

You are basically trying to tell me that some people can be healthy eating arsenic

That are your words not mine.

As far as cooked meat goes, I can give you a detailed description of what it does in the body, and any cooked food for that matter

I already know this, when you cook anything its no longer food its dead!

[chelmostef]

Posted by chelmostef (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
I would say I want to puke and revile you.

Instead I just ....
l
LAFF MY ASS OFFFFFFF

At how much wiser are my animal kin than you.

These words are not kind or showing empathy at all, but words of grandeur and of a divine higher status.

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Yeah the ego usually doesn't like things it doesn't want to hear. The spirit listens though.

Instead I laugh because if I didn't I'd cry at how out of touch people even as their mouths talk about how pure they are.

The whole point is someone cured themselves eating raw meat. That's a miracle. Provided by the natural world.

And then a lot more people had to make it about themselves.... using sacred things to defile others.

Posted by chelmostef (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Yeah the ego usually doesn't like things it doesn't want to hear. The spirit listens though.

I sincerely hope it does.

And then a lot more people had to make it about themselves.... using sacred things to defile others.

By me sharing my life and things that are very personal and close to my heart a story which of abstinence, I am taking sacred things and defiling others. It makes me sad you feel this way.


Round and round in cirles we go!

Have a good day I wish you well.

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
You wouldn't be sad if you .... stopped taking every word that comes from my mouth PERSONALLY because this isn't about YOU or any one individual. It's about US. You are just re emphasizing the point I made. Everytime someone speaks someone has to make it about them. It is and has always been about US collectively. And we can't remove whats on our plates before meddling in others, there is no hope for us to be healthy collectively living species.

If I have the power to make YOU sad then I have been bestowed with a great deal of power indeed...only because you gave it to me.

I am not your abuser and I am not the source of your sadness. Stop blaming your feelings on other people.

If people would stop imposing their crap on other people the world would be a much better place altogether.

If you take my words and think I have projected something on you that is my mistake my friend.
I took your words " I want to puke and revile you"(A personal emotive word) and should have laughed with you.
When I said I feel sad because of your comments towards me, I should have never projected sadness onto you. Again I take that back. Instead I laugh with you.

There are many a blinkered horse in this paddock.

There are also many spiritual teachers that teach abstinence as a path to enlightenment.

I think I will remove myself from this merry go round as its just creating negativity(Do not spin my words I am attempting to be nice) and this is not what I am about. Thank You

[Limor Wolf]

that was a wierd discussion.one side was politly talking about other creatures suffering and another side talked about themselvs,how they are feeling,how they are being deprived..and than this need to defend and attack from both our sides.no good vibes. thats not a real openess for discussion or understanding both point of views.

i just hope that this saying might prove us wrong one day:
"Parallel lines never meet".

Chelmostef,can i join you?!

good day everyone!

*peace*harmony*compassion*empathy*

-no more "spiritual" no less "spiritual" than others,just a concerned citizen,thats all.
(planet earth)

[chelmostef]

Posted by LIMOR (here)
Chelmostef,can i join you?!

good day everyone!

*peace*harmony*compassion*empathy*

Of course you can all are welcome!

Love and peace to all

[Janos]

I think this sums it up pretty nicely:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=GKTsWjbjQ8E

[Rayne T.]

Still patiently waiting to hear about the raw vegetarian diet that doesn't include exotic expensive superfoods, excessive nuts or fruit, and that supplies all of our nutritional requirements.

Love and Light, Rayne

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by Rayne T. (here)
Still patiently waiting to hear about the raw vegetarian diet that doesn't include exotic expensive superfoods, excessive nuts or fruit, and that supplies all of our nutritional requirements.

Love and Light, Rayne

I tried, in post #162. The Blue words are text links.

Dennis

[9eagle9]

then eat your words...



....ooo somebody ate a bad word....

[Janos]

Posted by LIMOR (here)
(shortened for brevity by Janos)

i am a family member of a holocaust survivors and those that did not survive.my mother was hiding under a false identity in a village in belgium Among strangers who agreed to take her in exchange for money,her father was murdered by gas at the 'Auschwitz' concentration camp...

But there is one atrocity that is never ending,and that is the animals concetration camp,and trilions of them that are being slaughterd everyday,As if they were objects without a soul.i am not willing to live my life contributing to any of it.my grandfather with other milions was put to death by gas and experienced extremely difficult conditions the months prior to this.

i would not hesitate to say that cows,chicken,lambs,fish are going through the same suffering everyday,without much hope

You are actually seriously comparing the holocaust to killing an animal for food, or even domestic meat production?

I know how commercial meat is raised, and it's barbaric. But the practice of eating meat doesn't have to be barbaric. Animals raised for consumption and properly handled have a much swifter, cleaner, and more painless death than any of us dare hope to have when we pass on. Nor does it make someone barbaric because they choose to eat meat, and in some cases, it's a life or death situation for them.

Rare indeed is the individual that says they'd rather die than eat something that can help them. I find those folks a bit odd, but hey, whatever floats their boat.

I'm pretty sure we all didn't incarnate here to die pointlessly from eating toxins in our food and water.

You can't harm anything anyway. (imho) Either it is an immortal soul, or it isn't. If a shark ate my wife, I'd be very sad, but I wouldn't be mad at the shark for being a shark. I'd say that she shouldn't have gone swimming where sharks were known to be!

What's that term that references how many posts/pages that it takes for any discussion on the internet on ANY subject to eventually reference Nazis, Hitler, or the Holocaust? Can't think of it offhand, but... Yea...

No offense LIMOR, but ye are WAY off base here with those comments.

Stable, rational people do not compare the atrocities of the Nazis in WWII with their neighbor, say, eating a chicken that they've humanely raised for that express purpose.

I'm sure glad human activists don't do the same things that animal activists do.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=vmXyf2eOZyY

[Janos]

Posted by Rayne T. (here)
Still patiently waiting to hear about the raw vegetarian diet that doesn't include exotic expensive superfoods, excessive nuts or fruit, and that supplies all of our nutritional requirements.

And you'll be waiting until Hades freezes over, because it doesn't exist.

Everyone I know that was a vegetarian in their 30's, is now (surprise surprise) not so very healthy in their 50's and beyond. (Of course all that 'good for you' soy probably didn't help much either...)

People want to talk teeth?

Out of all my teeth there are 4 front and bottom at are not expressly sharp. Every thing else, even my molars, have very noticeable points on them. (4 points)

When I eat most grains I feel ill afterwards. I can eat brown rice if it is in something, like a soup, but by itself is asking for problems.

I am a protein nutritional type, and feel not well at all if I eat anything else. High sugar sweet fruit is the worse, followed by potatoes.

However, wild fruits such as tart blackberries or wild blueberries aren't bad, and I can eat a few handfuls without issue.

The best for me are wild greens, such as dandelions and plantains and such, (the potherb, not the banana looking thing!), which I can eat raw or cooked without issue.

For those interested in such things, "Green Deane' has some very interesting information and videos on Youtube. I think the site is www.eattheweeds.com

Vids can be found on youtube by doing a search on 'Green Deane'.

[9eagle9]

Plantain is a very versatile plant, I have four acres of not grass but plantain. Mostly male plaintain, I have to import some ladies in here. The female has less spikey thingies in the leaves but if you pulp them really good they are a most excellent poultice for burns, wrinkles, sunburn and skin conditions. Plaintain poultice will prevent scarring. Dandelion roots are excellent blood tonic very good for cancer. Burdock, plaintain and dandelion leaves all mixed together is very good. Not to mention the medicinal value.

I love weeds.

Soy is a horrible plant. Before we tampered with it, it was horribly toxic. Now its just ...you know...sorta toxic. A lot of the toxicity found in beef is because of feeding them soy bi product. The average amercian diet has so much soy in it as a filler that you get the equivalent of six birthcontrol pills worth of estrogen a day. What men must think of that, snorfing down estrogen like that. I can't imagine what a person on a soy heavy diet experiences in terms of of having their hormonal markers taken up by soy. Not to mention what it does to your thyroid. ONe of those things the government and fda imposed on us. They just stuck it out there that it was healthy and people just accepted it.

Its not. I wouldn't touch it with someone elses mouth.

[Carmody]

I miss peanut oil cooked french fries. mmmmmm.

[Justano]

I recently moved in with 2 vegetarians and its kinda been rubbin off on me, and being broke adds to the incentive of not buying meat. But Im all about being healthy(relativly) and what not,and i was pretty much raised a carnivore, but the concept of eating raw meat just sounds disgusting to me, Rayne you said you ate raw hamburgers bout a pound a day, like just straight up cold flavorless meat? How do you store it if your not supposed to freeze it? Im going to start looking around town for a place to get good meat not from some facory farm, but i would need a serious case of the munchies to stomach raw beef.

[13th Warrior]

Posted by Rayne T. (here)
Still patiently waiting to hear about the raw vegetarian diet that doesn't include exotic expensive superfoods, excessive nuts or fruit, and that supplies all of our nutritional requirements.

Love and Light, Rayne

I don't have a dog in this fight but, i do have a couple comments.

Expensive is a realtive term i'd say; grass feed free range beef and the like aren't exactly cheap...

Rayne, have you given a listen to David Wolf at all? He seems to do quite well with his diet. I know he is high on supper foods but, he also promots wild edible foods (read this as free).

I'm not a doctor, I don't play one on tv but, I did stay at a Holday Inn Express last night; I suspect those that have problems with digesting fruits and grains are having problems with candida.

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by Janos (here)

Posted by LIMOR (here)
(shortened for brevity by Janos)

i am a family member of a holocaust survivors and those that did not survive.my mother was hiding under a false identity in a village in belgium Among strangers who agreed to take her in exchange for money,her father was murdered by gas at the 'Auschwitz' concentration camp...

But there is one atrocity that is never ending,and that is the animals concetration camp,and trilions of them that are being slaughterd everyday,As if they were objects without a soul.i am not willing to live my life contributing to any of it.my grandfather with other milions was put to death by gas and experienced extremely difficult conditions the months prior to this.

i would not hesitate to say that cows,chicken,lambs,fish are going through the same suffering everyday,without much hope

You are actually seriously comparing the holocaust to killing an animal for food, or even domestic meat production?

I know how commercial meat is raised, and it's barbaric. But the practice of eating meat doesn't have to be barbaric. Animals raised for consumption and properly handled have a much swifter, cleaner, and more painless death than any of us dare hope to have when we pass on. Nor does it make someone barbaric because they choose to eat meat, and in some cases, it's a life or death situation for them.

Rare indeed is the individual that says they'd rather die than eat something that can help them. I find those folks a bit odd, but hey, whatever floats their boat.

I'm pretty sure we all didn't incarnate here to die pointlessly from eating toxins in our food and water.

You can't harm anything anyway. (imho) Either it is an immortal soul, or it isn't. If a shark ate my wife, I'd be very sad, but I wouldn't be mad at the shark for being a shark. I'd say that she shouldn't have gone swimming where sharks were known to be!

What's that term that references how many posts/pages that it takes for any discussion on the internet on ANY subject to eventually reference Nazis, Hitler, or the Holocaust? Can't think of it offhand, but... Yea...

No offense LIMOR, but ye are WAY off base here with those comments.

Stable, rational people do not compare the atrocities of the Nazis in WWII with their neighbor, say, eating a chicken that they've humanely raised for that express purpose.

I'm sure glad human activists don't do the same things that animal activists do.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=vmXyf2eOZyY

Just be aware that English is not Limor's first language, so what she means and what you read may be different.
I think she is trying to equate suffering.

[Rayne T.]

Posted by Justano (here)
I recently moved in with 2 vegetarians and its kinda been rubbin off on me, and being broke adds to the incentive of not buying meat. But Im all about being healthy(relativly) and what not,and i was pretty much raised a carnivore, but the concept of eating raw meat just sounds disgusting to me, Rayne you said you ate raw hamburgers bout a pound a day, like just straight up cold flavorless meat? How do you store it if your not supposed to freeze it? Im going to start looking around town for a place to get good meat not from some facory farm, but i would need a serious case of the munchies to stomach raw beef.

There isn't a good way that I know of to store it for long, unless you are able to get it fresh - and I mean within a day of butching, and then vacum pack it. That will last over a week, and then a few days more after it is put in regular wrapping. The "fresh" meat at the grocery stores have been vacum packed for up to 2 weeks before they rewrap them for shoppers. Gross I know. That's part of the reason grocery store meat tastes so blah and yucky. Truly fresh raw meat is delicious. Most people have never had it, and never will.

That leads me to something else. You know how chicken in the supermarkets is all light colored and the fat is white? We raised a few chickens this year - organically, and free range. They ate all kinds of bugs and pasture stuff. Anyway, when we butchered them, the meat is darker, and the fat isn't white, it's yellow. Not only that, but it smells exactly like the best Kentucky Fried Chicken seasoning. I didn't know that there was anything that smelled like that that didn't have msg in it. It was unbelievable, and tasted great too -raw! I know that the people who make those seasonings know exactly what to make them smell and taste like. They are imitating the real thing that our bodies crave. They know what real chicken smells like.....how many of us do? Sorry, but this is shocking to me.

Anyway, you might have to just shop more often if you want fresh meat. I've thought about finding a way to make jerky, but can't find a way that doesn't use so much salt, but I don't know if that would be much different than cooking it.

Love and Light,
Rayne

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Posted by 13th Warrior (here)

Posted by Rayne T. (here)
Still patiently waiting to hear about the raw vegetarian diet that doesn't include exotic expensive superfoods, excessive nuts or fruit, and that supplies all of our nutritional requirements.

Love and Light, Rayne

I don't have a dog in this fight but, i do have a couple comments.

Expensive is a realtive term i'd say; grass feed free range beef and the like aren't exactly cheap...

Rayne, have you given a listen to David Wolf at all? He seems to do quite well with his diet. I know he is high on supper foods but, he also promots wild edible foods (read this as free).

I'm not a doctor, I don't play one on tv but, I did stay at a Holday Inn Express last night; I suspect those that have problems with digesting fruits and grains are having problems with candida.

Thanks, I started to listen to him once, and all I heard about were superfoods, and I turned him off.

Love and Light, Rayne

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Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)

Posted by Rayne T. (here)
Still patiently waiting to hear about the raw vegetarian diet that doesn't include exotic expensive superfoods, excessive nuts or fruit, and that supplies all of our nutritional requirements.

Love and Light, Rayne

I tried, in post #162. The Blue words are text links.



Dennis

Thanks Dennis, I didn't see them, but will look.

Love and Light, Rayne

[Rayne T.]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)

Posted by Rayne T. (here)
Still patiently waiting to hear about the raw vegetarian diet that doesn't include exotic expensive superfoods, excessive nuts or fruit, and that supplies all of our nutritional requirements.

Love and Light, Rayne

I tried, in post #162. The Blue words are text links.

Dennis

Just checked out your links...one was only cooked foods - I'd be dead in a week from eating those recipes, and the other link only had articles about superfoods, hemp seeds, and other nuts!

[chelmostef]

Earthlings trailer, can you make the connection?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=yW3gunMSCu4

Sick of vegans?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=q9qdPbmQZb0

Round and round we go!

[9eagle9]

Candida could account for the DIGESTIVE part of it.

I can digest most anything including raw meat , cooked meat, tree bark, and bulldozer blades without discomfort but just because one can digest grains and fruits doesn't mean the toxicity isn't present systemically. Which may mean feeling like you have a hang over for a week, after consuming those sorts of carbohydrates even though you didn't get a bad reaction in the digestive tract. Insulin resistance usually means your body is resisting something the body doesn't' want present. Its not always sugar or starch.

But Candida would go away on its own after a few weeks of a raw meat, or just meat diet that included some raw low starch vegetables because you are starving out the sugar and starches necessary for it to survive.

Physical alcoholism is also a culprit even though the person isn't a drinker. Most recovered alcoholics are advised to stay away from starchy grains. So are people who are attempting to stop smoking.

Grains are notorious for having fungal and microbial conditions present on them while still in the field, and those effect liver function which i suspect where my issue is coming from. But its not because something is wrong with my liver, there's something wrong with the grains.

Candida is usually the first thing that is ruled out anyway. If one cannot correct yeast overgrowth with conventional dietary measures something like Agrisept-L will knock it out in a few weeks without distressing the alimentary tract.

But Candida could account for the hysteria exhibited in some vegetarians, along with insufficient amino acids that contribute to supporting good emotional and mental health. with vegetarianism because the sugar-starch combination sets up a nice condition for it to grow in. But there's other fungal and microbial conditions that exist on grains particularly grassy grains, that can also account for the 'high' feeling that vegans-vegetatrians describe as 'spiritual.'

But Celiac disease could be a culprit too. Gluten toxicity I'm sorry comes from certain grains. It will also mimic neurological diseases like Parkinsons and muscle-nerve malaise like Fibromialgia . When those are present, one takes the sufferer off any sort of grain related product. Parkinson's people are often times cured by taking them off grains and wheats.

Or a missing enzyme marker, or one of the number of microbial conditions that modern medicine overlooks and are only treated by those practitioners who acknowledge they exist. (ie; not doctors)

Unfortunately modern medicine has taught us to clump people under blanket conditions and no longer treats us on an individual basis for OPTIMAL health. They treat us blanket wise for statistical, range normal health.

Posted by 13th Warrior (here)

Posted by Rayne T. (here)
Still patiently waiting to hear about the raw vegetarian diet that doesn't include exotic expensive superfoods, excessive nuts or fruit, and that supplies all of our nutritional requirements.

Love and Light, Rayne

I don't have a dog in this fight but, i do have a couple comments.

Expensive is a realtive term i'd say; grass feed free range beef and the like aren't exactly cheap...

Rayne, have you given a listen to David Wolf at all? He seems to do quite well with his diet. I know he is high on supper foods but, he also promots wild edible foods (read this as free).

I'm not a doctor, I don't play one on tv but, I did stay at a Holday Inn Express last night; I suspect those that have problems with digesting fruits and grains are having problems with candida.