Healing with Mushroom Tinctures and Extracts

[RMF808]

Let thy food be thy medicine and let thy medicine be thy food, or cocktails

Aloha everyone,

Who has seen the next big boom in health being mushrooms? There are countless research papers on mushrooms helping cure cancer (Turkey Tails), neurological disorders (Lions Mane), breathing issues, digestive (Reishi) , urinary etc or other things like processing used motor oil (King Oyster), cigarette butts (Turkey tails) and even eating plastic (pestalotiopais microspora). As well as heavy metals and even radioactive material.

Guess what, many of them can live in the ocean too. Help me imagine a way to get the oil and plastic ones into the ocean. But before that, we need to rebuild our brains with Lions mane.

Eating mushrooms no doubt have many benefits but liquid extractions make them far more readily available & abundant to the human body. My water extractions involve boiling them for about 30 minutes and my alcohol extractions are soaked for a minimum of 2-6 weeks. Do you think our digestive tract can achieve those same benefits? Not me. Even powder form that you see at local health food stores don’t really cut the mustard in my book.

For instance, water extractions of Turkey Tail (trametes versicolor) mushrooms extract compounds called polysaccharides. These compounds help the immune system to stop attacking itself to cure cancer. Then, even YOU, can take the exact same fruit body/mushroom and soak it in alcohol which extracts compounds known as terpenes & terpenoids. These dissolve tumors…

I know it is difficult for many us to stop drinking alcohol so why not just drink it with health benefits? How about the next big vodka, gin, bourbon flavor market being mushrooms. I’m already doing making my own extractions and making cocktails with friends. I’ve kinda been over doing it with Lions Mane and my brain is booming more clear by the day. I keep receiving downloads like the Matrix where I just have understandings and just know things without intensive thought.

**This is the 1st draft with more to come. Please reach out with any questions, suggestions, thoughts or even your best mushroom joke. I don’t think “fun guy” has been overdone yet haha.

Mahalo Bill & everyone else for allowing me the space to let my brain flow.

I love all of you even though I may not like everyone (yet)

Mush love & aloha

[Violet3]

Aloha RMH808
thankyou for this post. I have been using Turkey Tail daily for a while now, to help with my gut issues. I think it helps a little though not as much as I'd hoped. Perhaps I will try boiling it as you suggest. I had not thought of that and if anything would have assumed boiling it for half an hour would damage the herb.
I have also been taking Lion's Mane at work occasionally when I need a mental boost, sometimes mix it in my morning coffee. I will take it more regularly to see if my brain improves!

[Gemma13]

Thanks for your post. Quite timely. I'm house sitting an hour away from Touchwood Mushrooms in Denmark, Western Australia. A lab with health store that grows Lions Mane in Australia. Will buy some tomorrow and give it a shot.

[ExomatrixTV]

• Alcohol Psychology

A well-known quote:

"Do I drink (so much) because I have problems? ... or do I have problems because I drink (so much)? ... How can you break this seemingly never ending cycle?"

I am super glad I am 100% allergic to alcohol ... the tiniest bit makes me throw up ... using aftershave with alcohol makes my skin go super red with spots. Skin-rash that will go on for hours.

• Needless to say, I never ever been drunk my whole life and have no idea how it is to be drunk.

After being to so many different kinds of parties in the past, I noticed that people assume you need alcohol to "loosen more up" to get in the correct party mode ... and if you refuse to take alcohol, they think I need that to be more fun to be with. The thing is, I never ever feel I need alcohol "to get rid of my assumed filters" I supposedly use on a daily basis "to fit in" society.

I am already without filters lol ... so when I feel I can party I will do exactly that, no matter what.

Then they see you can be crazy and fun to be with without drinking alcohol. Most people can hide behind the excuse that they were drunk being crazy ... I just AM crazy but only if people get my sense of humor, if people are way too serious 24/7 then I get it why so many people need alcohol to loosen up.

• My mother is the same, so is my sister & brother ... my father rarely drinks alcohol and if he does, it was only 1 glass of Jägermeister and that's it.

There is also an assumption that if you do not drink, I suppose to "judge" people, thus they feel not at ease with me ... but I have a strong: "let live, be yourself" attitude as long you do not hurt or harm others. Like-minded alcoholics feel comradery between eachother (same goes for drug users) so that they feel supported to be themselves. I totally get that, and that is why I tell them all: be who you want to be as long you do not hurt others, it is okay if you think that you need that now.

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[palehorse]

Aloha RMF808,

I am drinking tea made out of Reishi and Chaga at least 1x per week, sometimes more.

Usually I boil the water then pour in a cup with slices of both shrooms and wait until it cool down, so the tint will be dark and taste not very pleasant, but I drink a cup 2 hours before bed, it is very diuretic to me.

Only one question, what alcohol are you using? just a bottle of vodka would work? I am not a drinker, but I could take a shot right after lunch or dinner, it also helps with digestion (old tale haha).

Thanks for this thread, I personally am interested to give a try.

[meat suit]

I am growing and drying, capsulating my on lions mane in sterilised saw dust bags.
Its the one mushroom thats easy to grow indoors I found.
Bought an innoculated grow bag on ebay, it came with a spray bottle for daily misting. Pretty easy and fun.
After 2 flushes it stopped fruiting so I sterilised more beech or oak sawdust in mushroom grow bags in the pressure cooker and mixed the original lions mane bag content in.. hey presto..
Get yourselves a bag... Good fun

[RMF808]

Aloha Violet,

Thank you for reading and responding. The first time I grew Turkey Tails I tried to cut the first one before I boiled it and it laughed at me as if I was trying to cut a rubber tire. After boiling it I laughed and was ready to cut into it.

It laughed at me again. The boiling did nothing to the mushroom. Boiling it likely “damages the herb” but that is how we truly extract the beneficial compounds. Water being known as the universal solvent gives us those polysaccharides but the terpenes are still in there requiring something a little stronger to be extracted.

Mahalo (thank you) for being my 1st response to this new way of thinking. Keep your eye out, there will be a lot more to come here.

Aloha (sharing the breath of life)

[RMF808]

Aloha Gemma, I wish you the best with your endeavors. If my post helps just one person I feel as if my purpose is on track. But what if we share it with more people? Please do reach out at any time along your journey.

Aloha

[RMF808]

Aloha John,

I’m happy to hear that you do not drink. I have consumed a lot of alcohol but have chosen to do my best to remove it from my life and I have done really well. Although, like everything, there are peaks and valleys. My peaks are taller and my valleys aren’t as deep.

I think this still may work for you though. What you can do is all of the above for water and alcohol extraction. Add it to water or whatever else you drink and just let the alcohol evaporate for some time. I don’t have exact details or suggestions for you yet but I will look into how to do it properly. The alcohol evaporates but the compounds remain.

Have you ever had a chemistry class and made precipitates? I think that’s what they were called. Excuse me if that’s the wrong word but the point is to get rid of the liquid while keeping the solids.

Mahalo for the read & response. I care about you and your health.

Aloha

[RMF808]

Posted by palehorse (here)
Aloha RMF808,

I am drinking tea made out of Reishi and Chaga at least 1x per week, sometimes more.

Usually I boil the water then pour in a cup with slices of both shrooms and wait until it cool down, so the tint will be dark and taste not very pleasant, but I drink a cup 2 hours before bed, it is very diuretic to me.

Only one question, what alcohol are you using? just a bottle of vodka would work? I am not a drinker, but I could take a shot right after lunch or dinner, it also helps with digestion (old tale haha).

Thanks for this thread, I personally am interested to give a try.

Aloha Palehorse,

I’m happy to hear that you are already on the right track! The tea is a great start but the longer extraction time gives you far more benefits. I hope that made sense to you.

I have used vodka, gin & bourbon but it doesn’t really matter. What to look for is alcohol percentage aka “proof”. A stronger alcohol just works faster. Ever clear and 151 are very strong but they taste like gasoline to me. I recommend that you use whatever alcohol you can consume. Just look at the alcohol percentage on the bottle.

Gin is a bit stronger than vodka but honestly, we’re not doing this for work, school etc. just find what works for you. There is a lot more maths involved if you want to take that route on percentages for tinctures. Lots available on YouTube.

Good luck on your journey,

Aloha

[RMF808]

Posted by meat suit (here)
I am growing and drying, capsulating my on lions mane in sterilised saw dust bags.
Its the one mushroom thats easy to grow indoors I found.
Bought an innoculated grow bag on ebay, it came with a spray bottle for daily misting. Pretty easy and fun.
After 2 flushes it stopped fruiting so I sterilised more beech or oak sawdust in mushroom grow bags in the pressure cooker and mixed the original lions mane bag content in.. hey presto..
Get yourselves a bag... Good fun

Aloha MeatSuit,

That name made me laugh. I’m happy to hear you are growing. I grew them in the desert of southern CA so I know it’s possible just about anywhere. I live in Hawaii now so much easier here.

I hope to hear about you taking it one step further with the extractions. Reach out any time,

Aloha

[Hym]

Over the past few decades tinctures and extracts have also been created without alcohol, which is my preference. If I ever do get a tincture that is infused thru the process, I have to slow cook it down to remove the alcohol, which cuts down on the healing power within the natural plant. I too will soak a plant for days or longer to get the most out of its healing power, without the need to use alcohol.

Sautéed Mushrooms are as satisfying energetically as they are to the palate. Being a vegetarian for over 50 years, my experience is that the taste of mushrooms, usually cooked with onions, ginger and other spices, slow cooked in water and only a bit of extra virgin olive oil, comes the closest to what meat eaters, as I was raised, experience. It's mainly because of the natural glutamates, natural-not monosodium glutamate the poisonous flavor enhancer. I often will drink the juice before making a dish.

I too have no prejudice towards those who drink alcohol, just as I don't towards those who eat meat, as long as they aren't drunk around me, etc.-and that 'etcetera' is a long one of alcohol's destruction of quality of life and life itself, things you all know here. I don't drink. If I ever feel the need to relax I concentrate on any number of things, starting with a breath and a thought. Alcohol doesn't enter my thoughts, like meat doesn't, even as in the distant past I have often had to deal with those suffering from the consequences of the overuse of both.

When I move to another piece of land I'll do a lot of planting and putting all of my use and study of plants to active energetic exchange. Mushrooms are quite the almost complete food and a great place for anyone to start actively being engaged in growing. I already do grow some things for healthy healing, including nurturing the casting compost area where the earth worms my friend gave me thrive, proving to be the highest quality of the fertilizer available.

[RMF808]

Posted by Hym (here)
Over the past few decades tinctures and extracts have also been created without alcohol, which is my preference. If I ever do get a tincture that is infused thru the process, I have to slow cook it down to remove the alcohol, which cuts down on the healing power within the natural plant. I too will soak a plant for days or longer to get the most out of its healing power, without the need to use alcohol.

Sautéed Mushrooms are as satisfying energetically as they are to the palate. Being a vegetarian for over 50 years, my experience is that the taste of mushrooms, usually cooked with onions, ginger and other spices, slow cooked in water and only a bit of extra virgin olive oil, comes the closest to what meat eaters, as I was raised, experience. It's mainly because of the natural glutamates, natural-not monosodium glutamate the poisonous flavor enhancer. I often will drink the juice before making a dish.

I too have no prejudice towards those who drink alcohol, just as I don't towards those who eat meat, as long as they aren't drunk around me, etc.-and that 'etcetera' is a long one of alcohol's destruction of quality of life and life itself, things you all know here. I don't drink. If I ever feel the need to relax I concentrate on any number of things, starting with a breath and a thought. Alcohol doesn't enter my thoughts, like meat doesn't, even as in the distant past I have often had to deal with those suffering from the consequences of the overuse of both.

When I move to another piece of land I'll do a lot of planting and putting all of my use and study of plants to active energetic exchange. Mushrooms are quite the almost complete food and a great place for anyone to start actively being engaged in growing. I already do grow some things for healthy healing, including nurturing the casting compost area where the earth worms my friend gave me thrive, proving to be the highest quality of the fertilizer available.

Aloha Hym, sounds like you are on the right track. Just know that soaking in water doesn’t give you the benefits that boiling does (polysaccharides) nor the benefits of alcohol extraction (terpenes).

Your sensitivity & aversion to alcohol can easily be mitigated by letting the alcohol evaporate. As in the case of vodka, it is 40% alcohol….

…the other 60% is dihydrous oxide aka “water.”

Good luck to you on your journey.

Aloha

[Hym]

Aloha and Mahalo RMF808,
Thank You.

I also do boil herbs and many other vegetables, even fruits.
Like boiling lemon peel and grapefruit peel, then steeping for 2 hours is natural alternative to taking hydoxy-chloroquine.

I do prefer putting teas and herbs in glass jars and watching them brew in the sun...a la Sun Teas, where so much praanuh is exchanged and infused into the mix.

He Mea, Kaneka-Koa, Hoola Ka'u Keiki, e hoola ana iaia iho.
Uh OO O Loko Uhlee-ee (my transliteration)
A U O Loko Ali-i (traditional translit.)

[Patient]

I have had a great response from taking lion's mane mushrooms. After taking a capsule every day for about 2 to 3 weeks my memory improved noticeably.

I have also tried micro dosing with good results. Major boost of creativity!

[RMF808]

Posted by Patient (here)
I have had a great response from taking lion's mane mushrooms. After taking a capsule every day for about 2 to 3 weeks my memory improved noticeably.

I have also tried micro dosing with good results. Major boost of creativity!

Aloha Patient, I’m happy to hear that you already see the benefits of Lions Mane along with the next level combination. Have you been taking Niacin (vitamin B-3) also? It helps those two work together. Thank you for the post here keeping us up in the new post area.

“…anyone keen on unleashing their mental potential the natural way. Stick around for some enlightening insights!”

https://primalfocus.eu/stamets-stack/

This is a wonderful article really breaking down how and why to stack Lions Mane with “magic truffles” aka psilocybin. A few highlights I want to point out;

• If you have existing health issues it says to consult your physician but I say consult with yourself and nature

• We build up a tolerance to psilocybin over time so I would agree with taking a break from it for a week here and there around the 4-6 week mark but you decide that for yourself.

• it isn’t necessary to take a break from Lions Mane

• Extracts from fruit bodies are best. Often time powder capsules contain mycelium and the substrate they were grown on and they just don’t spend enough time in our system to be extracted. My water extracts are boiled for 30 minutes [polysaccharides]. My alcohol extracts are soaked for a minimum of 2 weeks [erinacines & terpenes]. Our stomach acids just don’t achieve that much extraction.

This is Paul Stamets talking about the Stack. He says he takes capsules but I care about you so I will say again that liquid extracts make these compounds far more abundant and readily available for the human body. Plus, there is a ton of research to back that up also.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=_Isphu4c8hU

[Hym]

I like the research but Stamets is ignorant of a couple of things. Before anyone follows those leads of his, remember that it is NOT vitamin D3 he talks about. Why is that ? Such a major misstep.
It is vitamin B3.

There is no practical reason to take Niacin as it is, with the "niacin flush" and all of the itchiness it causes. For quite some time now, for many decades at least, we use Niacinamide, the buffered form of Niacin, which is just as potent without any of the negative side effects. And for those who have any reactions to Niacinamide even, there is a more buffered form, Inositol Hexaniacinate.
The history of the buffered form of niacin, Niacinamide, is decades long. Where has that guy been?

My experience dealing with those who take hallucinogens is the danger presented to the user created by such a great variance of active compounds in them and the great lack of knowledge of the potency of those products to the user, as well as the more important lack of understanding of each individual's capacity to be able to use the activation of already available chemicals within the body, which are often the real experience. At some point in living, while conscious, our connections to our own subtle communications systems, within and without the physical body, becomes much more active and we recognize substances as merely triggers to health and healing. The primacy of being in a body should at least afford us some deeper awareness, especially when we experience that connectivity that is far beyond synchronicity and coincidence.

I do remember being given a bottle of niacin by some strangers who were handing out their chemistry to others, and I remember those university chemists telling me to look for anyone being on a bad trip, and to offer Niacin to those negatively affected. Luckily that night, no one tripped, too far. I then became much more aware of those under that type of influence, yet never to do anything but help if I could. I also cut off any contact with those folks from there on, though I've dealt with them everywhere we find people.

Those guys, those university chemistry students, somehow knew that I would not ever take any hallucinogens and felt safe enough to make me the designated, on site, at the party, paramed. That was over 50 years ago.

This idea, and only an idea at that, takes me up to my most recent class and connection with the film union. Four years ago some of us took a multi-purpose safety class on administering CPR, using an AED/Automatic Emergency Defibrillator to restart the Heart (timely that, just before all of the Heart Problems initiated by the CVX poison), and how to administer Narcan for emergency use after overdoses. Considering my experience so long ago I do wonder, yet do not recommend, if there is any proven help in using Niacinamide during overdoses as well, but only if Narcan is not available. Having had my share of dealing with fellow film union members being under the influence of one or more substances at a time, I see why those of us taking the EMT/Paramedic taught classes were all given our own supplies of Narcan to have at hand. Of all those who would know just how bad drug and alcohol abuse is in the film union, those on site paramedics surely know the details.

Back to the subject.....

So, yes we do know that vitamin B3, not D3, has the capacity to bind with other natural substances in a healthy way, but using an hallucinogen with a buffer like niacinamide makes no sense, unless while knowing a psy trip was going to happen they assumed that the effect of B3 would somehow negate any possible bad interactions. He's guessing, even if he convinces some ignorant scientist to do a study. Studied ignorance is even harder to heal and almost impossible to cure, until a dead tripper calling from beyond makes a visit to us with an apology and a warning.

I've written here before about the great studies on buffered B3, Niacinamide, paired up with Vitamin C, which were used by the master clinician, Dr. Abrahm Hofer, to accomplish the very high cure rate for schizophrenia. When he met the founder of AA, Bill Wilson, they paired up, went through the gauntlet of pharma for profit hell, and wrote the book "The Vitamin Cure For Alcoholism".

I do know in the treatment of PTSD, especially those caused by the trauma of war, that microdosing of hallucinogens is helpful when used in conjunction with the EFT method of touch points and affirmation verbalizations. Pairing any type of mushrooms, that are not also psycho-active, with other compounds like Niacinamide does make chemical sense.

Also, great subject and a good reference starter in using and even growing mushrooms. As you have said in your opening, they are amazing in their ability to filter and transform many toxic substances, especially within the body. I guess it's due to many of us here not taking the heading of a thread as the entire substance of a proposed topic of discussion, but I do not see the sense in calling this anything but The Healing Power of Mushrooms, as it certainly is not alcohol that rebuilds our brains. Alcohol is just the medium used to bring out the healing chemicals within mushrooms. Either way, Thanks RMF808 for following thru and sharing. Please do continue.

[palehorse]

I got the 75% alcohol food grade, today will be chopping down Chaga mushroom, it is hard as rock! So will add it with the alcohol and shelve for 8 weeks, I will do the same with Reishi. This thread inspired me to do that. Thanks.

[Brigantia]

Posted by Patient (here)
I have had a great response from taking lion's mane mushrooms. After taking a capsule every day for about 2 to 3 weeks my memory improved noticeably.

I have also tried micro dosing with good results. Major boost of creativity!

Same here; my memory has been terrible after a few months of full-on stress last year. A couple of months ago I woke up at 5am and thought "****! I'm late for work!" - I need to leave at 5.30 on a work day and need much longer than half an hour to get going - then thought, hang on, what day is it? It was Wednesday - my day off, d'oh!

I found it in tablet form from a reputable supplier and the results have been amazing - especially in remembering when it's Wednesday.

[RMF808]

Posted by palehorse (here)
I got the 75% alcohol food grade, today will be chopping down Chaga mushroom, it is hard as rock! So will add it with the alcohol and shelve for 8 weeks, I will do the same with Reishi. This thread inspired me to do that. Thanks.

That’s wonderful Palehorse! I hope that everyone sees that I’m not benefiting from this in anyway other than I care about you.

I would recommend boiling them for 20-30 minutes first. Save that as your water extraction and then put them in alcohol. This way you get the water extraction compounds and it also preps the fruit bodies for the alcohol extraction. Later, you can mix both extractions for the double health benefits.

I’m excited for your health as well as all of those around you. I’m sure you will share your own personal experiences as I have been.

Mahalo & aloha