Feminism is a NWO agenda to split the families

[CdnSirian]

"I will not waste my time and energy on arguments. I have stated what I mean and have no interest to convince anyone."

Wow. I'm confused....then why this thread?

Not that I haven't enjoyed some of the replies.

[Neptun]

CdnSirian,

I have said what needed to be said. If I have to repeat myself, it will waste time and energy.

You decide, if you want to believe in lies and create a reality that matches your lie or if you want truth and find freedom.

If you need to blow off some steam and ridicule or name call me, feel free to do so. Maybe that is what needed, before you can see clearly again.

[CdnSirian]

Posted by Neptun (here)
CdnSirian,

I have said what needed to be said. If I have to repeat my self, it will waste time and energy.

You hung in for nine pages? "If I have to repeat myself..."?

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Posted by Neptun (here)
If I have to repeat my self, it will waste time and energy.

Too late.

o_0

[the_vast_mystery]

Posted by Neptun (here)
As I stated earlier. I don't want to argue or try to convince anyone.

I seek the truth and nothing but the truth. If people want to believe lies, allow to be manipulated and give up their powers to the NWO, that is their choice.

Don't let the vampire in, that is my advice! If people think it is not a vampire, but something cute and loving. So be it. Your life, your responsibility. Don't cry later and speak like a victim when reality kicks in.

The truth does not speak for itself, if it did then we would not need mandatory criminal defense attorneys in court. This idea that the truth needs no defense is based on the assumption you are somehow so uniquely superior that you alone can discern the unabashed truth from the aether and that because of that anything you decree is beyond all reproach. Sounds more like the "Divine Right of Kings" all over again, LOL.

You are arguing and you are trying to convince people, only in a rather indirect and honestly pretty ridiculous way. You're falling back on hoping that if you pretend to be stubborn enough about being right and that you're not trying to sell your own brand of bias that no one will notice that is exactly what you are doing. In this case you are projecting, not that someone else is doing what you are doing, but that you aren't doing exactly what you are doing. If you weren't trying to convince anyone, and were serious about your philosophy that nothing more need be said you would have never responded once after your first post.

Some people, unfortunately, pay more attention.

[panopticon]

G'day Neptun,

I've just come in from the back 50 for lunch and thought I'd have a look at what you had to say.

You keep saying I didn't answer you. I did.
The moment you are ready to face your fears and want to take responsibility instead of blaming evil men and corporations, then we can continue.

I looked back over this thread and you never actually did. Not once did you answer a question I raised. Not once.
You stick to narrow definitions in every point you make and mock any logical response.
I am willing to have one last attempt.

As you said:

Posted by Neptun (here)
I seek the truth and nothing but the truth.

So:

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The title of the thread is 'Feminism is a NWO agenda to split the families'.

You have told me that I need 'to take responsibility instead of blaming evil men and corporations'. Fair enough.

1. When the feminist movement was formed, in the 19th Century, who was it that you contend orchestrated and financed it?
   
2. Who do you think are the architects and designers of this plot and of the NWO?
   
3. Finally, how do you propose to solve it?

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Please start at number one and work through.
Take your time.
Go get help from anyone you need to in answering this.
Please try to avoid name calling and quessing what I am or am not.

I reckon that what you call "evil men and corporations" (I would never use the term "evil men", I use the term oligarchs as women are in positions of manipulative control too) started financing it in part in the 1960's (what is commonly referred to as "second wave feminism" and where the Rockerfeller story originates from) so as to be able to control the awakening feminine divine power and to try to bring the grass root social dicursive processes surrounding this rise in strength and solidarity amongst women under their control.

I also reckon they were largely unsuccessful.

I can supply information on this if you like. It is easily accessible and I have absolutely no problems in supplying evidence to support my position and claims.

Oh and to clarify, I have never been a victim of anyone.
I will not lead and I will not be lead.

You, however, seem to have some deep seated problems (in regards to women and gender roles at the very least) so I might suggest you talk to someone qualified about it.
Maybe a good female psychiatrist would be able to sort it out for you.
Oh and I never said that my partner gets mad at me. Only thing I can think is that it is some kind of transference and yours does/did.
Kind Regards,
Panopticon

[the_vast_mystery]

The saddest part? He is partly right, there is definitely a real issue called the two-income trap and it started around the 1970s. But that was more about businesses capitalizing on the increasing number of women already choosing to go to work as well. The business world is designed to take everything in life, secure the exclusive supply, and then find a way to extract the maximum amount of profit from it so it should be no surprise. We do have a real income inequality problem, but the idea we should blame feminists is where the "NWO divisiveness" comes in. If this was an NWO plot at all, it was to make men hate women for wanting to have the same social mobility by making women's gains in social mobility appear to be responsible for the same "let's figure out how to make people pay $TEXAS$ for this" attitude big business has always practiced in spades.

I find it bitterly ironic that many people were/are more inclined to suspect their wives as being at fault for merely wanting a choice in their day than to suspect that their bosses dream of getting ever richer and don't care that they have to get ever poorer to make that happen.

[Space_Ace]

Posted by panopticon (here)
G'day Space_ace,

Buy a blow up doll, it wont talk back either (just keep a tyre repair kit "handy" ).
Kind Regards,
Panopticon

I don't care for sex and am a virgin(rejected the brainwashing that you need sex to prove your manhood), I want a sweet, beautiful, loving traditional woman. What works for you(role reversal) will not work for most men, including me. I earn the money, my robogirl cooks and cleans and is romantic/affectionate with me.

Posted by wynderer (here)
Hi Neptun--

i posted a link to a Vigilant Citizen article about the heavy promotion of Humans as robots or as Human/robot hybrids in the mass media directed at young people -- music videos especially-- he also goes into the 'sexbot' promotion
wyn

Ray Kurzweil talks about transhumanism and how we will merge with our robots by 2030-2050. He believes this is how we achieve "actuarial escape velocity" where we live forever as robots and inside computers/machines. I would much prefer to believe we are already immortal spirits having a human experience and that we will ascend end of this year.

Posted by Neptun (here)

I follow your logic and I do see it could seem like a good idea for you. But we are being challenged on our soul and imagine how it would feel like if you overcame your fear of women.
Yes it is true the system is making hostile anti-male laws. Come to Denmark and you will see an man apartheid. Same with Sweden and Norway.
As long as you don't marry or have kids you should be more or less on the safe side.
I think you should get a woman as a friend to a start. Maybe a lesbian so you are 100% sure that she will not lure you into a relationship and then talk totally open with her about your fears. I think that is a good way to start dealing with the fears.

1. I won't fear women anymore once the elites are arrested and the Rockefeller funded feminism/misandry is no more. Without all those anti-male laws, women will have little power to oppress men, this was the case before the 1970s.
2. My soul challenge when I incarnated here was to wake up to the lies of feminism, something almost impossible for women to wake up to, but much easier for men to.
3. I still want robogirls for the reasons already explained and I strongly believe that 95% of men will much prefer "perfect" robogirls over any human woman, much less a feminist. Women will be unable to compete with "perfect" robogirls and frankly, women should not waste their energy trying to compete, but move on and learn to enjoy their roboguys or turn gay and have each other.
4. Human-human relationships has been permanently ruined on much of Earth, save for some rural areas isolated from feminism. Humanlike robots are intended to offer humans(especially men) the opportunity to be happy.
5. I have never been interested in marriage nor kids. Google "marriage strike" to understand how marriage oppresses men and how we have been warning men away from marriage. We predict that marriage will be done away with as it has outlived it's usefulness. People can still "marry" but it will be on paper only with no laws backing it, no different than girlfriend.
6. I am not a social person and besides, I find that men make much better friends. I am a nerd and have almost nothing in common with the vast majority of women. Most lesbians are man hating feminists, no thanks.
7. I should publish my long robogirl article I wrote last year in a new thread and you can decide if the robogirl route is for you or if you prefer to stay single the rest of your life(hard to imagine) then in your next lifetime, be incarnated on an Earthlike planet that has never seen feminism.
8. If ETs disclose themselves, they may transport you and millions of other souls to other Earthlike worlds that has never seen feminism.
9. I have chosen the robogirl route as a solution to being able to experience love. It is obvious that we can't change the minds of feminists and women who buy into their lies. Besides, there is no need because I know I will be extremely happy with my robogirls and I strongly believe so will 95% of men.
10. If ascension to fourth density positive is a reality and happens end of this year, there is the possibility that men and women can at least be friends because our awareness will be increased and we will wake up from some of the feminist lies. Perhaps by 5d or 6d, men and women will be capable of perfect and unconditional loving relationships, making robots obsolete.

[Maia Gabrial]

As I stated earlier. I don't want to argue or try to convince anyone.

I seek the truth and nothing but the truth. If people want to believe lies, allow to be manipulated and give up their powers to the NWO, that is their choice.

Don't let the vampire in, that is my advice! If people think it is not a vampire, but something cute and loving. So be it. Your life, your responsibility. Don't cry later and speak like a victim when reality kicks in.

The truth is that you've been manipulated, too, Neptun. TPTW gave you an enemy and you accepted it.... Duped. Lock, stock and barrel....

You'll have to remember that in order for people to see a problem, FIRST they have to recognize and admit there's a problem. It's up to them, no matter how much you want to cajole, ridicule or guilt them into your way of thinking. You may fear for them, but step back and let them make their own mistakes because there's more to life than meets the eyes.... The ONLY thing you have control over is yourself...

BTW I'm glad that your life is perfect in these difficult times....
Hope you and Space Ace finally come to terms with your fears....

[tenacity1]

There was a eugenics/ family splitting agenda when the Feminist movement got coopted by capitalism and the secret govt stuck it's two cents in.. However , having grown up in the male dominated sexist and bigoted south..I am very grateful for the rights I now enjoy.Otherwise , I don't have a dog in this fight.

[9eagle9]

yes exactly it is VERY hard not to condition your kids, they observe your behaviors etc. I consider myself open minded and perhaps unorthodox but my child is still adopting some of my behaviors, gestures and habits. Whether that is good or bad or indifferent, it doesn't matter, she is still adopting them.

She always says to me, I don't have to do things the way you do.

No she doesn't.

(this is the barrel she puts me over in regards to housework...lol) Well just because you vaccumn the whole room at once doesn't mean I have to!


I will note that much of the new feminism "The divine feminine principal " and women will lead the world--those sorts of things are mostly promoted by men.

I've seen a number of declarations about how women will lead the world in all sorts of forums and nearly all the threads are created by men.

I personally don't want the responsibility. It reminds me of single motherhood times 7.2 billion.

Posted by Arrowwind (here)
Social engineering is not new. It has always been there in one form or another. When a parent tells a child how to behave, that is social engineering. When a church or a business tells someone how to behave that is social engineering. When a magazine promotes a drug, a style in clothing, a fabricated look, a vacation spot, the best city to live in, the best school, the best tv shows, - that is also social engineering. When a law is made to limit a behavior that is social engineering.

[Sebastion]

This post is a classic case of divided and traumatized division of the masculine and feminine energies within the self. Had I not been suffering from the same dis-ease for many lifetimes within myself, I could never have recognized it in another.

This post is exactly what it looks like. I can't even begin to imagine the pain and suffering being endured here....

Posted by Space_Ace (here)

Posted by panopticon (here)
G'day Space_ace,

Buy a blow up doll, it wont talk back either (just keep a tyre repair kit "handy" ).
Kind Regards,
Panopticon

I don't care for sex and am a virgin(rejected the brainwashing that you need sex to prove your manhood), I want a sweet, beautiful, loving traditional woman. What works for you(role reversal) will not work for most men, including me. I earn the money, my robogirl cooks and cleans and is romantic/affectionate with me.

Posted by wynderer (here)
Hi Neptun--

i posted a link to a Vigilant Citizen article about the heavy promotion of Humans as robots or as Human/robot hybrids in the mass media directed at young people -- music videos especially-- he also goes into the 'sexbot' promotion
wyn

Ray Kurzweil talks about transhumanism and how we will merge with our robots by 2030-2050. He believes this is how we achieve "actuarial escape velocity" where we live forever as robots and inside computers/machines. I would much prefer to believe we are already immortal spirits having a human experience and that we will ascend end of this year.

Posted by Neptun (here)

I follow your logic and I do see it could seem like a good idea for you. But we are being challenged on our soul and imagine how it would feel like if you overcame your fear of women.
Yes it is true the system is making hostile anti-male laws. Come to Denmark and you will see an man apartheid. Same with Sweden and Norway.
As long as you don't marry or have kids you should be more or less on the safe side.
I think you should get a woman as a friend to a start. Maybe a lesbian so you are 100% sure that she will not lure you into a relationship and then talk totally open with her about your fears. I think that is a good way to start dealing with the fears.

1. I won't fear women anymore once the elites are arrested and the Rockefeller funded feminism/misandry is no more. Without all those anti-male laws, women will have little power to oppress men, this was the case before the 1970s.
2. My soul challenge when I incarnated here was to wake up to the lies of feminism, something almost impossible for women to wake up to, but much easier for men to.
3. I still want robogirls for the reasons already explained and I strongly believe that 95% of men will much prefer "perfect" robogirls over any human woman, much less a feminist. Women will be unable to compete with "perfect" robogirls and frankly, women should not waste their energy trying to compete, but move on and learn to enjoy their roboguys or turn gay and have each other.
4. Human-human relationships has been permanently ruined on much of Earth, save for some rural areas isolated from feminism. Humanlike robots are intended to offer humans(especially men) the opportunity to be happy.
5. I have never been interested in marriage nor kids. Google "marriage strike" to understand how marriage oppresses men and how we have been warning men away from marriage. We predict that marriage will be done away with as it has outlived it's usefulness. People can still "marry" but it will be on paper only with no laws backing it, no different than girlfriend.
6. I am not a social person and besides, I find that men make much better friends. I am a nerd and have almost nothing in common with the vast majority of women. Most lesbians are man hating feminists, no thanks.
7. I should publish my long robogirl article I wrote last year in a new thread and you can decide if the robogirl route is for you or if you prefer to stay single the rest of your life(hard to imagine) then in your next lifetime, be incarnated on an Earthlike planet that has never seen feminism.
8. If ETs disclose themselves, they may transport you and millions of other souls to other Earthlike worlds that has never seen feminism.
9. I have chosen the robogirl route as a solution to being able to experience love. It is obvious that we can't change the minds of feminists and women who buy into their lies. Besides, there is no need because I know I will be extremely happy with my robogirls and I strongly believe so will 95% of men.
10. If ascension to fourth density positive is a reality and happens end of this year, there is the possibility that men and women can at least be friends because our awareness will be increased and we will wake up from some of the feminist lies. Perhaps by 5d or 6d, men and women will be capable of perfect and unconditional loving relationships, making robots obsolete.

[Maia Gabrial]

1. I won't fear women anymore once the elites are arrested and the Rockefeller funded feminism/misandry is no more. Without all those anti-male laws, women will have little power to oppress men, this was the case before the 1970s.
2. My soul challenge when I incarnated here was to wake up to the lies of feminism, something almost impossible for women to wake up to, but much easier for men to.
3. I still want robogirls for the reasons already explained and I strongly believe that 95% of men will much prefer "perfect" robogirls over any human woman, much less a feminist. Women will be unable to compete with "perfect" robogirls and frankly, women should not waste their energy trying to compete, but move on and learn to enjoy their roboguys or turn gay and have each other.
4. Human-human relationships has been permanently ruined on much of Earth, save for some rural areas isolated from feminism. Humanlike robots are intended to offer humans(especially men) the opportunity to be happy.
5. I have never been interested in marriage nor kids. Google "marriage strike" to understand how marriage oppresses men and how we have been warning men away from marriage. We predict that marriage will be done away with as it has outlived it's usefulness. People can still "marry" but it will be on paper only with no laws backing it, no different than girlfriend.
6. I am not a social person and besides, I find that men make much better friends. I am a nerd and have almost nothing in common with the vast majority of women. Most lesbians are man hating feminists, no thanks.
7. I should publish my long robogirl article I wrote last year in a new thread and you can decide if the robogirl route is for you or if you prefer to stay single the rest of your life(hard to imagine) then in your next lifetime, be incarnated on an Earthlike planet that has never seen feminism.
8. If ETs disclose themselves, they may transport you and millions of other souls to other Earthlike worlds that has never seen feminism.
9. I have chosen the robogirl route as a solution to being able to experience love. It is obvious that we can't change the minds of feminists and women who buy into their lies. Besides, there is no need because I know I will be extremely happy with my robogirls and I strongly believe so will 95% of men.
10. If ascension to fourth density positive is a reality and happens end of this year, there is the possibility that men and women can at least be friends because our awareness will be increased and we will wake up from some of the feminist lies. Perhaps by 5d or 6d, men and women will be capable of perfect and unconditional loving relationships, making robots obsolete.

Such fears, Space_Ace. You've provided a 3D list of your fears and hatred. If you're familiar with Delores Cannon's teachings, then you'll know that your 3D fears will get you booted out of the 5D as soon as you get there..... Is this what you want holding you back from ascending? Ask yourself WHY do you feel these things? Who did what to you, so that you can forgive them and let go.... It's true that you've reincarnated in this lifetime to work THIS list out because they're chained to you whether you like it or not..... Bitterness won't take the pain away, friend. Self-analysis is what it takes....

Everyone needs to remember that the medias exaggerate all things. Nothing is as it seems. Exaggerations = Lies.... For instance, can you remember watching a "giant" protest going on where the cameras only focus on a certain part of the crowd? That's because that's all there is. If the cameras were to pan outward, that giant crowd would be smaller than a rally for some unpopular candidate... A trick of the camera, nothing more. IMO a lie....

So, relationships are NOT permanently ruined. Young people aren't all bad. Men and women are still attracted to one another regardless of their beliefs and stances. The majority of soldiers and cops are NOT vicious law breakers....(Only a minute percentage that the medias blew out of purportion). Please stop supporting the medias' lies and deceptions by spreading it! (Even the generalizations about the medias are wrong, but they ARE part of the problem because they're being forced to play the rat games with TPTW. They want everyone to THINK that everyone on the planet is screwed up. That includes YOU! Not so....

Take a better look around you. THAT'S where you'll see the truth. Not on the medias.... You're going to see that there are so many decent, good men, women and children around, shopping, working, making ends meet, going to school, playing, loving, arguing and planning life around the foul things TPTW toss at them.... You want TRUTH, then see it with your own eyes; instead of listening to one bitter man who's not doing much to solve the problems he perceives anyway....

[Sue (Ayt)]

Sigh - another snippet of dis-info that is being pushed in the “split the sexes agenda” that has recently annoyed me.
Apparently, the youth now believe this, which is:

"1974
When Could Women Get Credit Cards? Although the Equal Pay Act was passed in 1963 requiring men and women to be paid equally when doing the same work, it wasn't until the Equal Credit Opportunity Act (ECOA) was passed in 1974 that women were able to get their own credit cards in their own name.

It wasn't until 1974, when the Equal Credit Opportunity Act passed, that women in the U.S. were granted the right to open a bank account on their own. Technically, women won the right to open a bank account in the 1960s, but many banks still refused to let women do so without a signature from their husbands.
Forbes Mar 20, 2023”

This is the top result on Google in bold, when the question is asked “When could women open their own bank acct?” and “When could women get their own credit card?"
———

Scanning discussions on FB and others, I saw various young people (or someone?) constantly posting how awful conditions were for women back in the day, which included the ideas that women couldn’t get loans, bank accts, credit cards, or be involved in any financial arrangements without their husbands' or fathers' consent. Having lived back then, this is clearly BS! And they all claim that is was 1974 when that was finally changed.

1. I had no problems having both a checking and saving acct myself, and never encountered a woman having that problem. Possibly a minor needed parental signatures to open an acct.? My old-maid school teacher passed away in the 80’s leaving a million dollars to the school district in her will. Clearly she had a bank acct. to cash her paychecks during her long teaching career, as did my friend's widowed career mom.
2. Credit cards barely existed for regular folks, and were hard to get for anyone. The first one I remember having was a joint acct with my husband from Sears, which was considered quite a privilege to have, as prompt payments would open future credit doors.
Most people paid by lay-aways back then, only getting the merchandise once it was paid for in full.
3. Loans also were really hard to get for everyone without investigation of folks finances, including income and expenses. The income part included both spouses, and had to fall into certain parameters to ensure a loan would be re-paid.
4. Since marriage was considered to be much more permanent back then, as the bond was assumed to be lasting, most spousal accts. were joint accounts and the idea of separate accts. was rarely even considered. Often the wife was fully in charge of paying the bills.

I find it so strange that according to the younger folk, women should have all been celebrating their new-found financial status in 1974, but in reality, I have no memory of that "Equal Credit Opportunity Act (ECOA)" being enacted. History apparently has been re-written.

Unlike today, most of the women back then didn't see themselves as victims, and most that I talk with have fond memories of those times.

[Flash]

You are totally wrong, no disinfo at all in these young people comments. I am a first hand witness of my mother not able to have a bank account to change checks my father, working thousands of miles away, was sending her to feed us. She could not have a bank account, credit of any kind, loans, sign papers for her children, name it. She had to have the community priest intervene at the bank and a teller took on herself to change my dads checks that were endorsed by him (which he could not do to avoid theft) so my mom imitated his signature for a few years.

Women had absolutely no rights. This was in the 60’s, I am Canadian,a developed western country. Some bank would give accounts to single women for them not to starve, but a married one never got those rights.

Women who were paying bills did the accounting and got their husband to sign the checks (which my mom had to do when my dad was around and believe me, my dad could not care less if she had personal money, he did let her gladly in the seventies, but the society did not allow). . Free accounting work by women but no financial power or freedom.

Get your facts straight before accusing others of misinformation.

Posted by Sue (Ayt) (here)
Sigh - another snippet of dis-info that is being pushed in the “split the sexes agenda” that has recently annoyed me.
Apparently, the youth now believe this, which is:

"1974
When Could Women Get Credit Cards? Although the Equal Pay Act was passed in 1963 requiring men and women to be paid equally when doing the same work, it wasn't until the Equal Credit Opportunity Act (ECOA) was passed in 1974 that women were able to get their own credit cards in their own name.

It wasn't until 1974, when the Equal Credit Opportunity Act passed, that women in the U.S. were granted the right to open a bank account on their own. Technically, women won the right to open a bank account in the 1960s, but many banks still refused to let women do so without a signature from their husbands.
Forbes Mar 20, 2023”

This is the top result on Google in bold, when the question is asked “When could women open their own bank acct?” and “When could women get their own credit card?"
———

Scanning discussions on FB and others, I saw various young people (or someone?) constantly posting how awful conditions were for women back in the day, which included the ideas that women couldn’t get loans, bank accts, credit cards, or be involved in any financial arrangements without their husbands' or fathers' consent. Having lived back then, this is clearly BS! And they all claim that is was 1974 when that was finally changed.

1. I had no problems having both a checking and saving acct myself, and never encountered a woman having that problem. Possibly a minor needed parental signatures to open an acct.? My old-maid school teacher passed away in the 80’s leaving a million dollars to the school district in her will. Clearly she had a bank acct. to cash her paychecks during her long teaching career, as did my friend's widowed career mom.
2. Credit cards barely existed for regular folks, and were hard to get for anyone. The first one I remember having was a joint acct with my husband from Sears, which was considered quite a privilege to have, as prompt payments would open future credit doors.
Most people paid by lay-aways back then, only getting the merchandise once it was paid for in full.
3. Loans also were really hard to get for everyone without investigation of folks finances, including income and expenses. The income part included both spouses, and had to fall into certain parameters to ensure a loan would be re-paid.
4. Since marriage was considered to be much more permanent back then, as the bond was assumed to be lasting, most spousal accts. were joint accounts and the idea of separate accts. was rarely even considered. Often the wife was fully in charge of paying the bills.

I find it so strange that according to the younger folk, women should have all been celebrating their new-found financial status in 1974, but in reality, I have no memory of that "Equal Credit Opportunity Act (ECOA)" being enacted. History apparently has been re-written.

Unlike today, most of the women back then didn't see themselves as victims, and most that I talk with have fond memories of those times.

[Sue (Ayt)]

Hi Flash - Perhaps it depended on the area, or the bank. Did your parents not have joint accounts, that either could sign in Canada?

My mother did all the family banking, although their account was joint. (as were most married couples where I grew up.) I had my own checking and savings account starting in the late 60's. My grandmother (widowed), also had her own accounts and did her own banking.

One thing that was hard, though, was that checks had to be physically taken to the bank, during banking hours. That was a real pain for working people, and we were so happy when they finally extended banking hours to Fri. evenings and Saturdays. (And they always had to be signed by the person they were made out to.)

Credit cards weren't widely available or used at all in the 60's, by the working class people around me, male or female.

[Harmony]

Posted by Sue (Ayt) (here)
Hi Flash - Perhaps it depended on the area, or the bank. Did your parents not have joint accounts, that either could sign in Canada?

My mother did all the family banking, although their account was joint. (as were most married couples where I grew up.) I had my own checking and savings account starting in the late 60's. My grandmother (widowed), also had her own accounts and did her own banking.

One thing that was hard, though, was that checks had to be physically taken to the bank, during banking hours. That was a real pain for working people, and we were so happy when they finally extended banking hours to Fri. evenings and Saturdays. (And they always had to be signed by the person they were made out to.)

Credit cards weren't widely available or used at all in the 60's, by the working class people around me, male or female.

It seems it must have been different iin different places. My mother did all the banking and never needed any other signitures even on a joint account. Perhaps that was somethng that was decided by a family when setting up an account. Many business accounts are like that where partners are involved.

[Sue (Ayt)]

I found this link to be more realistic as to the history of women and banking.

I do maintain that no, it is not true that women could not have a bank account of their own before 1974. (at least here in the US, in the state and area where I lived.)

I simply did not feel as repressed by men back then as many younger people appear to think I should have.

[Flash]

No it had nothing to do with the region, it was pretty much like that throughout the province, as soon as you were married. Even with joint accounts, the husband had to sign to take money out.

No need to tell you that as soon as married women could have bank accounts on their own, my mother ran to have one. She would have had one before because my dad never stopped her ‘expansion or liberation’. She was quite independent, the first woman in the province becoming school director in the same school board she had taught (prior, men would but women had to change school boards to climb up, therefore move their house as well).

I have other stories about strong women in my family being discriminated, excommunited from church etc. but it will be for another time. All I can tell is that it always have been difficult for women who were intelligent.

Posted by Sue (Ayt) (here)
Hi Flash - Perhaps it depended on the area, or the bank. Did your parents not have joint accounts, that either could sign in Canada?

My mother did all the family banking, although their account was joint. (as were most married couples where I grew up.) I had my own checking and savings account starting in the late 60's. My grandmother (widowed), also had her own accounts and did her own banking.

One thing that was hard, though, was that checks had to be physically taken to the bank, during banking hours. That was a real pain for working people, and we were so happy when they finally extended banking hours to Fri. evenings and Saturdays. (And they always had to be signed by the person they were made out to.)

Credit cards weren't widely available or used at all in the 60's, by the working class people around me, male or female.

[Sue (Ayt)]

Posted by Flash (here)
No it had nothing to do with the region, it was pretty much like that throughout the province, as soon as you were married. Even with joint accounts, the husband had to sign to take money out.

No need to tell you that as soon as married women could have bank accounts on their own, my mother ran to have one.

What year was your mother finally able to get her own bank account in your province in Canada, Flash?

And when did joint accounts drop the need for the man to always sign everything there? In my memory here in the US, joint accts. meant either spouse could sign, and either spouse could withdraw cash, as long as there was a balance that was cleared.

Was your father's signature even necessary for you mother to cash her own paycheck? (Wow - that would have been horrendous!)
(just curious about when these changes actually occurred elsewhere.)

That "1974" year mentioned only applied to the US, but I think that was only when it was clearly prohibited by written law for any bank to discriminate by sex. Society, though, still looked somewhat askance at separate accts. for married couples, not understanding why it was sometimes necessary for a family unit.

Credit is another story, though. It was not given very freely to anyone, and I would guess it was extra hard for a single woman to be approved. The folks I knew would be holding their breaths while waiting to find out if their loan was approved or not. Loans were rejected for the silliest reasons sometimes. Unlike today, seeking and getting approved for credit was a rather big deal.