The Vampire Elite and the New World Order

[James Horak]

There is a question more important to concerns of determining why civilizations fall
than causes like those of economic and agrarian failings, one that is almost never
approached. That question is: what prevented necessary and forseeable change?, what constrains any society to repeat counter-productive patterns and to prevent finding the growth towards the viability at all social levels to evolve passed the immediate pressing problems that fall it?

I would maintain this opposition to necessary change is due to an overly entrenched
“vampire” elite that has stifled the economic and political institutions it commands from
finding remedial solutions. I would also maintain this can come about on planetary scale
and that we are all, ALL the peoples of earth, in that threatening circumstance today.

Can we discuss this intelligently and expand further into better appreciations of all views once everyone accepts we ARE in crisis? Please, if possible participants cannot see that far, leave this thread alone. I invite all others to join in and to make this thread rich in your personal offerings. JCH

[chelmostef]

Welcome to the forum James, may it be as delightful for you as it has been for me

Is what you are referring to as greed and only thinking of oneself and the short term gains that bring?

Perhaps it goes a lot deeper than this, though manipulation.

[James Horak]

Yes, Chelmostef, it goes much deeper, into the psyche of elitist class consciousness. What, for instance, is done to people to define a
predictability as far as certainty can go. To insure loyalties, to control as many aspects of your own and others possible. AT THE EXPENSE
OF EVERYTHING ELSE. JCH

[chelmostef]

Are we talking about western education, as this can break ones spirit from an early age?

[Whitehaze]

Keep a population in a state of fear and they will take very few risks.

[Icecold]

Keep a population in a state of fear and they will take very few risks.

That is happening right here. Right now. In microcosm.

[Nortreb]

Hi and welcome James,
Great questions!
My first response is that the change was prevented by a series of massive manipulations from a higher frequency to create division among individuals at all levels(race, culture, income, weight). It is quite a mess that we are in!

What do we do? I am trying to make a difference in my environment in each moment with hope that it will catch on.

[James Horak]

If we are conscious of the methods used upon us, that is half the battle. Defeating them requires the moral assurance we must and the courage to brave the efforts required. JCH

[Nortreb]

Posted by James Horak (here)
If we are conscious of the methods used upon us, that is half the battle. Defeating them requires the moral assurance we must and the courage to brave the efforts required. JCH

Thanks James.
I would like your opinion on waking others up of what is going on. I have for almost 30 years been aware of this but was considered crazy by most. Now that I have confirmation I feel free but the question is always.... What about other folks? I would love to know your opinion on this. Thanks.

[Whitehaze]

I think the majority is concious of the methods used on them to control them. They lack the understanding and education how to stand up to it. They believe they need the system in order to function. A good example is what recently happened in Egypt. The came to the point where they were tired of the corruption and they ousted the current leadership. But they stood waitng for the next one to fall into place, repeating the process again leaving themselves open to control again.

[Belle]

Welcome, James. So glad you are here with us.

I don't think there is one thing that has prevented needed change...there are layers upon layers upon layers of meme's that have been laid down over many generations. Once in the psyche of the majority of people, they take on a life of their own and are difficult if not impossible to shake loose. How hard to shake loose? ie. Consider when Bush said , after 911, that they (I believe he was speaking of Al Qaida) "are jealous of our freedoms". And people believed him. Of course they must be jealous, we're Americans...land of the free, home of the brave! And yet the truth was that 911 was being used as an excuse to take our "freedoms" away. We haven't been "free" in a very long time, if ever.

[ulli]

Posted by Belle (here)
Welcome, James. So glad you are here with us.

I don't think there is one thing that has prevented needed change...there are layers upon layers upon layers of meme's that have been laid down over many generations. Once in the psyche of the majority of people, they take on a life of their own and are difficult if not impossible to shake loose. How hard to shake loose? ie. Consider when Bush said , after 911, that they (I believe he was speaking of Al Qaida) "are jealous of our freedoms". And people believed him. Of course they must be jealous, we're Americans...land of the free, home of the brave! And yet the truth was that 911 was being used as an excuse to take our "freedoms" away. We haven't been "free" in a very long time, if ever.

Well, the moment we take on a body we are pretty limited. I we want to fly we have to get on a plane, and go through all those security hassles.
But we are also free, in the sense that no one can take away the space we occupy.
There are all sorts of freedoms, if you want to take down the time and make a list.
So it comes down to your state of mind. I feel a lot freer now than I ever did before. And even though I have less cash coming in.
We here have our work cut out for us, point out to others that there are other realities than their own prison cells and that we know how to tunnel.

[ulli]

Posted by Whitehaze (here)
I think the majority is concious of the methods used on them to control them. They lack the understanding and education how to stand up to it. They believe they need the system in order to function. A good example is what recently happened in Egypt. The came to the point where they were tired of the corruption and they ousted the current leadership. But they stood waitng for the next one to fall into place, repeating the process again leaving themselves open to control again.

The public sector needs some leadership, no way would things work without that.
There will always be people who make decisons on roads, road repair, hospitals, schools, security.
Without that there would be chaos, no way of getting home. One just has to think of traffic jams when the traffic lights misfunction.
Finding honest leaders is an art.
People need to develop intuition to recognize deceivers. Expose corruption.

[TigerLilly]

Posted by Whitehaze (here)
I think the majority is concious of the methods used on them to control them. They lack the understanding and education how to stand up to it. They believe they need the system in order to function. A good example is what recently happened in Egypt. The came to the point where they were tired of the corruption and they ousted the current leadership. But they stood waitng for the next one to fall into place, repeating the process again leaving themselves open to control again.

I'm not sure that they are conscious of the methods being used Whithaze. I certainly wasn't until about 18 mths ago.
People see that society in general is heading in the wrong direction and needs changing but they do not see this as an organised plan by a controling few.
Most just see society as it is as something which has evolved naturally and now needs to be changed/redirected.

As you say James if people were fully aware of the problem that would be half the battle.

Should we all look at what woke us up? What made us start researching our true history. The information is all there, how do we persuade people to look?

[Pamela]

I was discussing this with my husband last night. It is obvious that we blindly, naively have faith that those in power are looking out for our best interests. We are taught from the minute we leave the womb to believe in others and to believe they are looking out for our well being. The ones of us who are over 40 years of age had an education system where most of the instructors did care about our education and morality. If we were disruptive we were “paddled” to bring us back in line. We were told by the educators and our parents they it was for our own good and it probably was! We believed in our parents and instructors; therefore, we believed in the political system because they were an extension of the “power” system that took care of us and knew what was best for us.

Somewhere along the way all that changed. Families broke down, teaching systems broke down, and the political system broke down. We soon learned not everyone cared. We soon learned that those with money had power. Unfortunately, those that have power no longer care if their actions bring negative consequences. They do not care if their action’s hurt society or the planet. It only matters if it brings them wealth.

The U.S. is a constitutional republic where the head of state and other officials are representatives of the people and must govern according to existing constitutional law that limits the government's power over all of its citizens. However, those they have been elected keep changing the constitional law without our consent. They determine what bills are passed regardless if they incumber our individual rights or freedoms. I don’t remember ever being asked if I wanted a particular bill passed, or if I agreed with the government spending programs that there was no budget for. Then they expect to tax us to pay for their programs that I never agreed to or even had any knowledge of.

With this being said, I think the key is to educate our children to think independently, to question what is being forced upon them, to find a way to change the patterns we were taught. I think a lot of what is happening now in the Middle East is coming from those in their 20’s and 30’s. They do not want to be lied to anymore. They do not want to accept that things have to stay the way they are. I do believe change is happening in a positive way. In the U.S. it may take longer because as long as the government is able to keep the social programs in place, (food stamps, unemployment, etc.) then the people will continue to let the government control them. They have that sense of security even though there security blanket may be full of holes.

I think this world is in crises. It may be though, that it takes a crises to pull all of us out of our slumber to wake up to the fact that it is up to all of us to make a stand against those who are trying to tear apart our world. If we are not able to do this, it seems that our planet is going to do it for us in a way we may not like: earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanic eruptions and other types of adverse weather.

[Whitehaze]

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by Whitehaze (here)
I think the majority is concious of the methods used on them to control them. They lack the understanding and education how to stand up to it. They believe they need the system in order to function. A good example is what recently happened in Egypt. The came to the point where they were tired of the corruption and they ousted the current leadership. But they stood waitng for the next one to fall into place, repeating the process again leaving themselves open to control again.

The public sector needs some leadership, no way would things work without that.
There will always be people who make decisons on roads, road repair, hospitals, schools, security.
Without that there would be chaos, no way of getting home. One just has to think of traffic jams when the traffic lights misfunction.
Finding honest leaders is an art.
People need to develop intuition to recognize deceivers. Expose corruption.

I agree completely. There does need to be a structure in place to take responsibility for resources, education, health care etc. But it needs to be a structure that is not corruptable, as in nothing to gain personally from it. Eliminate the things that would make it courruptable such as power and greed.

The individuals who would take the resposibility would be just as equal to anyone else in society. Every individual would contribute to the whole. And the whole would contribute to the individual.

[Ahkenaten]

Wow -

A little humor on vampires and other beings from "transylvania" to lighten things up

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=AxcM3nCsglA

[HURRITT ENYETO]

Hi James and welcome friend
Do you believe this 'elite' are starting to lose their grip on us?

Thanks
Hurritt

[Eric]

James Hi

I have a couple of questions/ thoughts to consider.

What/who gives a monarch the right to occupy and rule a certain parcel of land on this planet?
If I was born here is this not my planet?
If I try to express ideas on this level, why am I met with such anger and refusal to even speculate on an answer?

I fear the next time I go to the store I will need a police check just to buy groceries.

Is it not the fact that we give our power to these individuals and that is precisely why they feel they can be our overlords.
(this is all ofcourse not taking into account the ET phenomena).

Cheers

Eric

[Ahkenaten]

OK James - I would like your explanation for the section 56:40 minutes into your tape below...................were you under the influence of something at the time you made this tape? How do your statements and more importantly, the emotions you are expressing relate to quality information worthwhile sharing with others let alone uplifting them?

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post151702


Wouldn't you agree that the feelings projected in that portion of your tape are in synchrony, at best, with this cartoon clip?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=AxcM3nCsglA

Actually this You Tube Disney piece, especially the part at the beginning with the cute worm, is more appropriate

https://youtube.com/watch?v=XNo82...eature=related