Worm Tongue

[Lifesong]

I'm not sure I'll be able to express myself properly, but I'd like to try. I think we've all felt the tension and energy behind the scenes, I don't need details and don't want them.

I am secure in the knowledge that all I can do at this time is be with you, send love and energy to clarify and bridge, keep my head down and do some work. I do feel your hurt, yet I also know your strength.

Celine, you know well that if any of what is happening here is real... there will be attacks plenty. More. Repeatedly. And again.

Gypsy Woman and her opinion and actions are only that - her's. And reflections of her. Let her have them. I try not to empower energy that already feels like it doesn't fit - I've learned to trust my own red flags, "when someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time".

You are actually shining even brighter today, not surprisingly. I love you for that.

This too shall pass. Bill's earned some trust, imho. I continue to stand completely confident this will all be turned to work out for the best.

- In peace.

[slvrfx]

Removed. The original got the quotes reversed. Redid it.

[Ultima Thule]

Greybeard kindly asked for you "to be very clear and specific as far as you can be,
Is it Bill you can no longer support or some other it is not exactly clear?"
I am having trouble with the exact meaning of the sentence and for one don´t wan´t get this one wrong - I´m not of english-speaking population, so I don´t wan´t room for error because of a foreign language.

so - who are we talking about, or in general?

[Maria Stade]

To do things not in line with spirit makes the system go sick an out of balance more than anything else.

To play games with manipulators Is to drain the self.

Learn to say : NO

Say yes to self and no to ugly games.

A energy sucker will not play games with some one that will win or are not playing.

U was a victim, that is bad but you can learn and grow and not do it again.

Dont do it again.

Love U be safe !

[slvrfx]

Posted by Arrowwind (here)

Posted by slvrfx (here)

Posted by Arrowwind (here)
Well. I have no clue what is going on with you Celine.. you are very mysterious and seem to be tempting people with cloaked talk.
Why don't you just spit it out or get off the pot? instead of dragging folks into stuff thats probably none of their business? what is your purpose of that?
or do your work though PM only.

I sense a genuineness in her concern that it might be happening to other people too.

How can she keep her word and still get the word out, without losing her integrity?

Do it through Pm. Not on line where there are a 1000 readers.

Maybe take your own advice.

[Arrowwind]

Posted by slvrfx (here)

Posted by Arrowwind (here)

Posted by slvrfx (here)

Posted by Arrowwind (here)
Well. I have no clue what is going on with you Celine.. you are very mysterious and seem to be tempting people with cloaked talk.
Why don't you just spit it out or get off the pot? instead of dragging folks into stuff thats probably none of their business? what is your purpose of that?
or do your work though PM only.

I sense a genuineness in her concern that it might be happening to other people too.

How can she keep her word and still get the word out, without losing her integrity?

Do it through Pm. Not on line where there are a 1000 readers.

Maybe take your own advice.

Yes, I think I shall. Should have known better to open a thread called worm tongue

[Pamela]

Posted by Celine
I have also in the past faced condemnation and wrongful judgements because I have taken action to protect Bill Ryan's Integrity. I will no longer sacrifice my own, for a man who does not deserve it.

Posted by Celine (here)
No more PM's...if you cant say it publicaly...then you shouldnt say it.

Maybe you should say publically if something has happened with your respect for Bill. You did start this thread and many now will be asking questions or making up their own story as to what you do mean. If you state more explicitly what has happened then it can be put to rest.

[Celine]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Yes Celine I was sent those private messages too. Private is private.
As you know I just dont get involved in what I would loosely define as politics.
I try to be neutral but hurting others cant be condoned.
Now that you have opened the lid of Pandora's box perhaps you could to be very clear and specific as far as you can be,
Is it Bill you can no longer support or some other it is not exactly clear?
Chris

As stated I no longer feel...sacrificing my integrity... to protect bills, is something i can do,

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Posted by Ahkenaten (here)
Gosh Celine I feel kinda left out! (I am only kidding!) I never received any abusive PM from GW and I was pretty outspoken in what I had to say about her yesterday in Cottage Rose's thread! You must feel special to be singled out in that way.................you, too Greybeard! What a waste of energy all this nonsense is IMO!!

I am jealous!

The message was sent to 14...the only targets in the message was Richard, my self...and Bill

[Lee-B]

Gosh, and here was everyone thinking GW was the drama queen. One thing I will say for GW is she has integrity. A shame she cannot be here to defend herself (but you'd be surprised who has her back) It's not over by a long shot.

[Ahkenaten]

Celine shouldn't Bill be able to protect his own integrity if any questions arose? It seems sad that you have felt in such a conflict and a moral bind i.e. that you must chose somehow between yourself and someone else. No one should be put in that position, it is surely a "No Win."

[Celine]

Posted by Pam (here)

Posted by Celine
I have also in the past faced condemnation and wrongful judgements because I have taken action to protect Bill Ryan's Integrity. I will no longer sacrifice my own, for a man who does not deserve it.

Posted by Celine (here)
No more PM's...if you cant say it publicaly...then you shouldnt say it.

Maybe you should say publically if something has happened with your respect for Bill. You did start this thread and many now will be asking questions or making up their own story as to what you do mean. If you state more explicitly what has happened then it can be put to rest.

Bill, broke his word to me. For any more details ask Bill...i am sure he has a...mouthfull.... to say

[rosie]

Worm tongue
inspired by the character from lord of the rings: a person you work with who quietly try's to stab you in the back and discredit you, while trying to make himself look important and productive. usually a person with ZERO personality, and ZERO friends, and often sounds like a robot when he talks.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...=worm%20tongue

Hmmmmmm, time to ponder

[Celine]

Posted by Lee-B (here)
Gosh, and here was everyone thinking GW was the drama queen. One thing I will say for GW is she has integrity. A shame she cannot be here to defend herself (but you'd be surprised who has her back) It's not over by a long shot.

Yes Bill has her back...

No surpirse there...since she is allowed to threaten Avalon...its security team..and its members...

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Posted by Ahkenaten (here)
Celine shouldn't Bill be able to protect his own integrity if any questions arose? Sorry you have felt in such a conflict, i.e. that you must chose somehow between yourself and someone else. No one should be put in that position, it is surely a "No Win."

Absolutly i should have NEVER tried to protect anyones honor...but my own.

lesson learned

[GoldenYears]

For the life of me, I cant understand why folks here cant understand what happened!

Nobody noticed the discord that GW was creating here in the forum??

She was kicked to the curb for her self-serving and manipulative ways.

No one should be critisizing Celine or the mods for seeing what a lot of other members saw from the first time GW blasted onto the forum.

My educated guess is that Celine is getting a lot of nasty feedback and blame about it all, and what happened last night. Which I think is totally unfair.

GW brought it on herself, PERIOD!

[Celine]

Posted by rosie (here)
Worm tongue
inspired by the character from lord of the rings: a person you work with who quietly try's to stab you in the back and discredit you, while trying to make himself look important and productive. usually a person with ZERO personality, and ZERO friends, and often sounds like a robot when he talks.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...=worm%20tongue

Hmmmmmm, time to ponder

Yes its ugly...

Yes its dirty...

I am waiting for tru honorable people to join in the cleaninsing

[Ahkenaten]

So it is looking like the PA take-down efforts are succeeding? If so, that is very unfortunate, indeed. What can be done, if anything, to prevent that from happening?

Celine blame me for everything! I can take it! I was the one who stepped in last night and made some direct, some might think unkind statements - and I was the one who asked the Mods to close that thread "with prejudice." I don't see what you did. If anything, it was me who was, as usual, being way, way, too outspoken and some might say "unempathetic." You have always tried to express empathy, with very few exceptions.

[HURRITT ENYETO]

Hi Celine,
I too have a heavy heart from all the cloaks and daggers and appreciate that you have made a public statement instead of PM'ing (a refreshing change)

I believe we should have these discussions out in the open, after all this is all of our forum and what an awesome forum it is!! Lets at least TRY to keep it that way.

I think we all know there are people here who's sole purpose is to create drama and conflict (they aren't hard to spot)

*hug for Celine*

[Lee-B]

Posted by Celine (here)

Posted by Lee-B (here)
Gosh, and here was everyone thinking GW was the drama queen. One thing I will say for GW is she has integrity. A shame she cannot be here to defend herself (but you'd be surprised who has her back) It's not over by a long shot.

Yes Bill has her back...

No surpirse there...since she is allowed to threaten Avalon...its security team..and its members...

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Posted by Ahkenaten (here)
Celine shouldn't Bill be able to protect his own integrity if any questions arose? Sorry you have felt in such a conflict, i.e. that you must chose somehow between yourself and someone else. No one should be put in that position, it is surely a "No Win."

Absolutly i should have NEVER tried to protect anyones honor...but my own.

lesson learned

Nonsense. If anyone is feeling threatened it's GW. She has been compromised and feels the safety of both her son and herself is at stake. Not a nice position for anyone to be in.
I'm not going to go back and forth with you Celine, I know your modus operandi from personal experience. Stop playing the victim, and look at the bigger picture.

[Pamela]

I have to say I am sorry for the postion you have been put in. You have always tried to keep things grounded here and with your heart on the line. I do hope the relationships will be able to be mended.

We do not need to lose the "white lights" of Avalon. Those who want the best for all and keep the messages here positive.

[Ahkenaten]

Lee-B, why would GW drag her son into this? Isn't that a little disingenuous? Why would she even reveal that kind of personal information here? Seems similar to YOU CAN SUE ME constantly referring to his children for sympathy. Frankly all this really reeks of games and perhaps PA members should stand forward and demand a stop to this nonsense. Life is too short for it!

P.S. Celine - I think in the spirit of truth and honesty, that this thread should be truncated because it, IMO, is clearly going nowhere and only creating more controversy.