Why Do The Woke Support Palestine?

[norman]

Have you ever heard of G.U.L.F. ?

Global University Leaders Forum

https://www.weforum.org/communities/...leaders-forum/

The clue is in the name . . . duuugh


The Global University Leaders Forum (GULF) is an invitation only community of global, forward-thinking, and solution-oriented university leaders who are committed to supporting the Forum's mission of improving the state of the world. The leaders convene to exchange ideas and collaborate with Forum centres, communities, and initiatives on matters of common interest, including those relating to higher education, research, and societal impact.

[Mike]

As has already been noted, George Soros is subsidizing these college campus protests. Not too surprising to learn that some Rockefeller money is involved as well.

https://www.newsnationnow.com/world/...tine-protests/

[norman]

Posted by Mike (here)
As has already been noted, George Soros is subsidizing these college campus protests. Not too surprising to learn that some Rockefeller money is involved as well.

https://www.newsnationnow.com/world/...tine-protests/

I hit a wall with that link. What adds irritation is that I thought we in UK painfully left the blasted EU.

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[FractalEnergy]

Here are Palestinians (presumably Muslim) calling on Kim Jong Un and Putin to save them. Don't they know the reputations of these two dictators?

Reminds me of what transpired in Vietnam. They wanted the oppressive French gone and reached out to the U.S. on several occasions, getting no assistance. At some point, you will take whatever help you can get.

[safara]

Woke, unwoke, (though still dont have a solid definition for what this is), aware, enlightened, ignorant, empathetic, sarcastic, caring, boring, thoughtful, normal, standard, loving and many many more adjectives. All sorts of people support Palestine in their fight against Israel's genocidal mission.

[Mike]

Posted by safara (here)
Woke, unwoke, (though still dont have a solid definition for what this is), aware, enlightened, ignorant, empathetic, sarcastic, caring, boring, thoughtful, normal, standard, loving and many many more adjectives. All sorts of people support Palestine in their fight against Israel's genocidal mission.

Sure, but this thread is about woke support, and how it differs from sincere support. Please read the OP.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Mike (here)

Posted by safara (here)
Woke, unwoke, (though still dont have a solid definition for what this is), aware, enlightened, ignorant, empathetic, sarcastic, caring, boring, thoughtful, normal, standard, loving and many many more adjectives. All sorts of people support Palestine in their fight against Israel's genocidal mission.

Sure, but this thread is about woke support, and how it differs from sincere support.

Misunderstanding the title, I got this all wrong earlier on the thread as well. A more accurate (but far, far clumsier!) thread title might be something like:

Many people support Palestine. But why do the 'woke' do so, especially when one might expect them to stay firmly true to whatever Biden's neocon agenda might be? Instead, they appear to be opposing this aspect of what Biden claims to stand for. How come?

[Mike]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Mike (here)

Posted by safara (here)
Woke, unwoke, (though still dont have a solid definition for what this is), aware, enlightened, ignorant, empathetic, sarcastic, caring, boring, thoughtful, normal, standard, loving and many many more adjectives. All sorts of people support Palestine in their fight against Israel's genocidal mission.

Sure, but this thread is about woke support, and how it differs from sincere support.

Misunderstanding the title, I got this all wrong earlier on the thread as well. A more accurate (but far, far clumsier!) thread title might be something like:

Many people support Palestine. But why do the 'woke' do so, especially when one might expect them to stay firmly true to whatever Biden's neocon agenda might be? Instead, they appear to be opposing this aspect of what Biden claims to stand for. How come?

A little unwieldy But yes that's part of it.

To summarize:

1. The woke support Palestine because they view Palestinians as "people of color" and Jews as whites. And in their intersectional woke religion, a "p.o.c." always holds sway, regardless of the circumstance, due to historical oppression. In other words, they can never do anything wrong.

2. Therefore they believe the Jews are the "oppressors" and the Palestinians are the "oppressed". This is what "woke" is essentially - repackaged Marxism which replaces the bourgeoisie vs the working class with male vs females, black vs white, gay vs straight, trans vs straight, etc etc etc.

3. The Palestinians may very well be the oppressed in this instance (I'm personally ambivalent on that) but it hardly matters within the woke religion. As I stated in the sister thread to this one, when it comes to woke Marxists, the issue is never the issue..the issue is always the revolution. Marxists want to disrupt and ultimately overthrow the west, so whether they're creating the nucleating events or just exploiting them, the goal is to sort of loosh the revolutionary energy..which is what they're doing right now with the protests and so forth. They're using the situation in Gaza as an excuse to create chaos here. And if there's any question over the intent, one has to look no further than those funding these protests (Soros, Rockefeller).

5. The thread is also meant to highlight the incoherence of intersectional wokeness and the hypocrisy involved in the woke's support of Palestine. Israel, for instance, is one of the most LGBTQ friendly countries on the planet, whereas Palestine is openly and shamelessly hostile towards that set of beliefs. The woke simply cherry pick which "oppressor" needs to be protested against based on how much it can gain them politically and further their cause. Right now that's Israel.

Many of these woke students chanting "the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" couldn't even name the river or the sea they're chanting about. They've been groomed to be activists, and don't recognize that they're largely the playthings of much higher, much more sinister forces than they're aware of. Many of the students likely believe they're doing the right thing, but their minds and emotions have been so hopelessly distorted that they can't separate what they really think and feel from what they've been trained to think and feel.

I don't know if that helps clear anything up or if I've just created more confusion, but I don't think I can explain any better than that.

[norman]

I think they "support the Palestinians" because the polarisation of the western world was planned years ago and the divisions are now so clear cut they can face off the phoney confused 'Christian right' who can't tell the difference between satanic Ashkenazis and legacy Old Testament "god's chosen Hebrews" ( who were not Christians either )

Actually, I smell something sinister lurking. Gaza, is a chunk of emotional mouse trap cheese on a spike to congregate the 'left' around ahead of getting a two against one civil war going. The one will be the armed christianish right patriots and the two will be lefties supported by gov' goonery plus the imported mercenaries across the border as a pincer move.

The sinister part as I smell it is the false flag opportunities those uni' gatherings offer the dirty trickster agencies. A faked right wing/Christian slogan shouting shooting attack on such a gathering could be the detonator for a shot at getting a civil war going, or at least a good excuse to stop the election going ahead.

The head of the FBI is already pre-loading us for something.

https://t.me/TheConspiracyHole/44158

[ExomatrixTV]

I wonder what "woke people" do/say if they see a list of what actual neo-Nazis support and push for without mentioning that the list was made by (Ukrainian) neo-Nazis ... taking the obvious things out and leaving the similarities in ...

So many in the "Alt-Right" are considered: "Far Right-wing extremists" or "Extreme Right-wing radicals" but ONLY from the perspective coming from Radical Left, Deepstate Neo-Libs & Deepstate Neo-Cons they all claim to be "more based in reality" meanwhile pushing real RADICAL things!

• >>> because they blindly believe all kinds of manufactured / artificial made crisis (plural, list is long) that supposedly "warrants/justify" all kinds of draconian/dystopian/tyrannical/corrupt/tunnel-vision "emergency laws & measures" ... Coming from Unelected Authoritarianism IMPOSING stuff on the masses for their "greater good" aka rampant collectivism.

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=cESknIIY-I8

[Bruce G Charlton]

@norman. Probably something in what you say.

It's worth remembering that the so called "hard left" - people in the UK like the Socialist Workers Party (with which Geo Galloway has had close connections, or may be a member) have regarded support for Palestine as a major policy for many decades.

Some 25 years ago, I was on the AUT (the university lecturers union) committee for my university, and we had at least three SWP activists in the group - who would invariably propose some official motion of support for Palestine or against Israel (e.g. boycott of Israel universities and academics) every single meeting - and this was coordinated at a national level.

SWP are also Stop the War coalition, and were the Respect political party which had a member of parliament at one time.

So this is nothing new on the "activist" and revolutionary Left.

I have tended to assume this was/is an attempt to bring together communist (i.e. Trotskyite) socialism with the cause of Muslims (both in Muslim nations, and also as a political grouping in The West); presumably as a means towards the end of radicalizing both, and promoting "the revolution" - or as you term it "civil war".

[Mike]

Posted by norman (here)
I think they "support the Palestinians" because the polarisation of the western world was planned years ago and the divisions are now so clear cut they can face off the phoney confused 'Christian right' who can't tell the difference between satanic Ashkenazis and legacy Old Testament "god's chosen Hebrews" ( who were not Christians either )

Actually, I smell something sinister lurking. Gaza, is a chunk of emotional mouse trap cheese on a spike to congregate the 'left' around ahead of getting a two against one civil war going. The one will be the armed christianish right patriots and the two will be lefties supported by gov' goonery plus the imported mercenaries across the border as a pincer move.

The sinister part as I smell it is the false flag opportunities those uni' gatherings offer the dirty trickster agencies. A faked right wing/Christian slogan shouting shooting attack on such a gathering could be the detonator for a shot at getting a civil war going, or at least a good excuse to stop the election going ahead.

The head of the FBI is already pre-loading us for something.

https://t.me/TheConspiracyHole/44158

I agree with that Norman. I think it's inarguable at this point. The polarization of the western world has been in the works for a long time.

It's been posted here before, but I'll post it again for anyone who may have missed it:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Z1EA2ohrt5Q

[Lilyofthestars]

This entire thread makes me want to shut down my Avalon account and never take a look around here ever again... I'm on the edge of Vomiting my guts out after reading the initial post.

I cannot even speak to the falsehoods I am reading here, and I won't for the HEALTH of my own heart and soul. I can't deal with it. It's no wonder I am preparing to go off grid.

The only people I see WOKE are the ones supporting the Genocide unfolding in Gaza. And no, I don't require a re-education on what's "really" going on here in order to see the light.

The lack of truth in people's hearts is astounding. I'm out.

ETA: Not out. Alright, alright, alright, I needed to read deeper into the thread. I did. The title of this was misleading, as Bill already noted. It looked like it was misunderstood that a majority of the woke are clearly not supporting Palestine at all.

I think, no I deeply feel, that even if "some" of the woke are switching sides in this debate, it isn't to be politically correct in order to seem saintly/heroic for speaking out for the protection of darker skinned people, as was suggested.

When people begin to become aware that 40,000+ people have been violently slaughtered, and the numbers are likely higher, try double - and it is ridiculously obvious that these people have nothing to do with the CIA/Israel PLACED Hamas group - 75% or more of these deaths that being of women and children - it begins to make everyone, no matter who you are, sick to your stomach. We're all human. And while I'm not on the "woke" side of things and haven't been for the last 15 years of my life or so; I applaud those coming over to the right side of the light and calling out for an end to the human suffering and injustices.

For example, the student protests erupting all across America by mostly left-liberal youth I feel is entirely authentic and genuine. I'm not denying that some hidden "actor" behind the scenes might be influencing it all to make it worse ("never let a good crisis go to waste") - but the students' disgust/fury is genuine as I see it.

We have ALL seen thousands of pieces of footage by now of women and children slaughtered in the streets, hospitals unable to do their job, actual infants dying of starvation and thirst, etc... You'd have to be a soulless devil to continue to support what Israel is doing and all the billions of dollars of US money continuing to fund it.

I have to say - I have been crying over Palestine for many months now. My heart is so connected to the people, so strongly in grief for what is happening, I can hardly lift my head up some days. This topic is incredibly sensitive to me and I'm just glad I read on further for clarification.

[Mike]

Posted by Lilyofthestars (here)
This entire thread makes me want to shut down my Avalon account and never take a look around here ever again... I'm on the edge of Vomiting my guts out after reading the initial post.

I cannot even speak to the falsehoods I am reading here, and I won't for the HEALTH of my own heart and soul. I can't deal with it. It's no wonder I am preparing to go off grid.

The only people I see WOKE are the ones supporting the Genocide unfolding in Gaza. And no, I don't require a re-education on what's "really" going on here in order to see the light.

The lack of truth in people's hearts is astounding. I'm out.

You have to understand: the thread isn't making any judgments on sincere people who support Palestine!

It's merely distinguishing between the woke (mainly student protesters), who I believe are offering mostly disingenuous support, and everyone else.

[Lilyofthestars]

I just revised what I wrote, please give it a re read. I am now giving a huge sigh of relief... I was terrified for a moment there.. Like, "GET ME OUT OF HERE, NOOOO! NOT AVALON TOO!!!! "..

Oh my gosh...

[Mike]

Posted by Lilyofthestars (here)
I just revised what I wrote, please give it a re read. I am now giving a huge sigh of relief... I was terrified for a moment there.. Like, "GET ME OUT OF HERE, NOOOO! NOT AVALON TOO!!!! "..

Oh my gosh...

Phew, that's a relief!

Thanks for reading the thread thru. It would have really upset me if I'd caused you to leave the forum.

I keep trying to distill what I'm trying to say in smaller and smaller bits, but it all requires loads of context, and in between my windy and poorly written posts and the emotion behind the topic in general, it seems to be causing some confusion.

By the way, points taken there with what you said in your revised post. I don't mind at all if anyone wants to push back on my thoughts! I just hope everyone can sorta grok what I'm trying to say here before they do. Meanwhile I'll try to communicate better

[Mike]

Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)
I wonder what "woke people" do/say if they see a list of what actual neo-Nazis support and push for without mentioning that the list was made by (Ukrainian) neo-Nazis ... taking the obvious things out and leaving the similarities in ...

So many in the "Alt-Right" are considered: "Far Right-wing extremists" or "Extreme Right-wing radicals" but ONLY from the perspective coming from Radical Left, Deepstate Neo-Libs & Deepstate Neo-Cons they all claim to be "more based in reality" meanwhile pushing real RADICAL things!

• >>> because they blindly believe all kinds of manufactured / artificial made crisis (plural, list is long) that supposedly "warrants/justify" all kinds of draconian/dystopian/tyrannical/corrupt/tunnel-vision "emergency laws & measures" ... Coming from Unelected Authoritarianism IMPOSING stuff on the masses for their "greater good" aka rampant collectivism.

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=cESknIIY-I8

That's priceless!

Notice also that the woke aren't saying much about the Russia/Ukraine conflict. There have been no college protests, no mini-tent occupations, no obnoxious demands of university presidents, no outrage, histrionics, so forth.

Nor are they saying anything about conflicts in Yemen, Sudan, Haiti, Myanmar etc.

Why have they singled out this one particular conflict? That's the question I'm posing here. And I'm strongly suggesting the reasons are more often ideological and political than compassionate.

First and foremost, the woke/Marxists want to destroy the west. Almost unfailingly they all view the west as patriarchal, homophobic, systemically racist, ableist, transphobic etc etc etc. They've been fed a very distorted version of our history (and our present), and have as a result been groomed to hate their own country (here in the US). They frequently preach the need to "decolonize" the United States and punish the "oppressors"/"colonizers" (i.e. white people) and it's far easier to superimpose this very crude Marxist framework onto the conflict in Gaza than it is in, say, Ukraine (...and all the other conflicts currently going on around the globe).

[Lilyofthestars]

Posted by Mike (here)

Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)
I wonder what "woke people" do/say if they see a list of what actual neo-Nazis support and push for without mentioning that the list was made by (Ukrainian) neo-Nazis ... taking the obvious things out and leaving the similarities in ...

So many in the "Alt-Right" are considered: "Far Right-wing extremists" or "Extreme Right-wing radicals" but ONLY from the perspective coming from Radical Left, Deepstate Neo-Libs & Deepstate Neo-Cons they all claim to be "more based in reality" meanwhile pushing real RADICAL things!

• >>> because they blindly believe all kinds of manufactured / artificial made crisis (plural, list is long) that supposedly "warrants/justify" all kinds of draconian/dystopian/tyrannical/corrupt/tunnel-vision "emergency laws & measures" ... Coming from Unelected Authoritarianism IMPOSING stuff on the masses for their "greater good" aka rampant collectivism.

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=cESknIIY-I8

That's priceless!

Notice also that the woke aren't saying much about the Russia/Ukraine conflict. There have been no college protests, no mini-tent occupations, no obnoxious demands of university presidents, no outrage, histrionics, so forth.

Nor are they saying anything about conflicts in Yemen, Sudan, Haiti, Myanmar etc.

Why have they singled out this one particular conflict? That's the question I'm posing here. And I'm strongly suggesting the reasons are more often ideological and political than compassionate.

First and foremost, the woke/Marxists want to destroy the west. Almost unfailingly they all view the west as patriarchal, homophobic, systemically racist, ableist, transphobic etc etc etc. They've been fed a very distorted version of our history (and our present), and have as a result been groomed to hate their own country (here in the US). They frequently preach the need to "decolonize" the United States and punish the "oppressors"/"colonizers" (i.e. white people) and it's far easier to superimpose this very crude Marxist framework onto the conflict in Gaza than it is in, say, Ukraine (...and all the other conflicts currently going on around the globe).

Perhaps it's because the mainstream media refuses to cover the facts regarding the Ukraine/Russia conflict. They're very hush hush about it all, at least here in the states. For one reason or another, our largest networks have been a little more transparent/honest about what's genuinely going on in GAZA; thus liberal-leaning "woke" students are learning more from traditional mainstream sources than they're normally accustomed to. Normally, these kids consume propaganda full time, but there's actual truth in what's being shared about Gaza in the mainstream news at the moment. There's a sense that I have to somewhat come to their defense as being caring heart felt people (yes even the woke college students), because I use to be one of these ex-liberal kids at their age. Our hearts were in the right place, but we were being brainwashed in many ways that transcended our ability to see outside of the fish bowl and have a deeper understanding of the psychological warfare all around us. Since leaving the city 14 years ago, I eventually came to my senses, but it took a lot of deprogramming to do so. And courage.

They're deliberately showing the worst possible imagery on the ground of Gaza in all it's glory right there on mainstream networks. On one hand, I'm glad the people are seeing the truth in what is being committed, even though it's only the tip of the iceberg on the trauma Israeli soldiers are actually deliberately inflicting on innocent people - On the other hand, I know that they wouldn't be even allowing the public to see this much if there wasn't something in it for them (the hidden hand). It's as if it's in the "shadow" government's best interest to have emotions flying high on both sides. They seem to want young people to be infuriated by the imagery of starving and injured children in gaza... In America, I've noticed mainstream sources like the BBC, CNN, or NPR (the big lying three) being far more honest about what's truly happening in Gaza at the hands of Israel. First time in years I've seen mainstream news in America be honest about anything really...

In order to really get down to more of the technical realities of what's actually happening in Ukraine you have to search much deeper. And the "woke" young mobs are constantly being encouraged to avoid "disinformation" from certain sources.

Their own colleges tell them "Don't look here, don't look there, less we label you a CONSPIRACY theorist who's now becoming a domestic terrorist threat!". They simply fall for the brainwashing. I mean it's a pretty convincing fear tactic in order to not lose your social status and future career prospects.

Simple realities like how Donbas widely voted to be part of Russia and it's history with constant violent attacks from Ukrainian soldiers upon native Russians in Donbas, LONG before the "invasion" even started, is easily ignored and never mentioned in the mainstream sources college students consume. Nor are all of Putin's other attempts at peace contracts and deals. The WEF always swoops in to to destroy any and all attempts at peace between Ukraine/Russia. These few examples aren't even brought up to the public. It's pure vilification of Putin 24/7.

Point being - they're using the hearts/good will of these young people in order to create more civil war and unrest. That is after all, always their goal. It's like... nudging over the evidence with your elbow while looking the other way in order to deliberately enrage the young impressionable minds of college-aged folks --- "look guys, look at all these starving babies in Gaza who are dying, look at all the women and children being slaughtered.... I bet you're REAL angry, right? Now go create chaos at your universities!". The young woke mobs are RIGHT to be FEELING something and to be outraged, but they don't realize that they're playing into the hands of the global elite's larger global plan. It's how it's always done. Pure psychological warfare.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Lilyofthestars (here)
I have to say - I have been crying over Palestine for many months now. My heart is so connected to the people, so strongly in grief for what is happening, I can hardly lift my head up some days. This topic is incredibly sensitive to me and I'm just glad I read on further for clarification.

Off-topic on this particular thread, but I promise you I'm 100% with you. I wrote this to another longstanding member earlier today, in response to the angst, anger and disgust that they had shared privately. It's slightly edited for posting here, but what I was expressing may be very clear.

~~~

Almost no Avalon members now are posting apologetics for Israel's inhuman actions. (And inhuman they are, a pretty mild word to use.) When anything seeming to excuse or justify Israel's position is posted, I almost always step back carefully and leave the rebuttals to others.

But you may have seen my post on the What is the basis of the Anti-Israel sentiment? thread a few hours ago, in which I wrote:

(I too am angry every day, which is why I do not post on this thread. If I did, I might later wish that I hadn't. )

That's true. I'm more angry about this whole issue than I've been about almost anything else for a very long time — probably the only thing I've been that angry about for many many years.

I really do have to sit firmly on my hands most of the time, as if I were to allow myself to give free rein to express what I sometimes feel — I might be saying some really rather inflammatory things.

Bill

[Lilyofthestars]

Thanks so much Bill.. My heart feels grateful to know most on Avalon are on the same page. I revised the previous message a little just now for a few more examples why I don't entirely blame the woke college-aged folks for their ignorance on the deeper realities of Ukraine/Russia - I personally feel their rioting is genuinely sincere from what I've seen.