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    Quote Posted by Lilyofthestars (here)
    Thanks so much Bill.. My heart feels grateful to know most on Avalon are on the same page. I revised the previous message a little just now for a few more examples why I don't entirely blame the woke college-aged folks for their ignorance on so deeper realities of Ukraine/Russia - I personally feel their rioting is genuinely sincere from what I've seen.
    One of the very few members who was clearly not on the same page was immediately shown the door a couple of months ago.

    It wasn't because he presented a counter opinion, or claimed facts that could be discussed and debated. The issue was his repugnant personal expression of hatred and acutely targeted racism that has no place here.

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    WHAT HAS PALESTINIANS GIVEN TO THE WORLD?
    More Palestinians.
    Get the **** off this forum.


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    Quote Point being - they're using the hearts/good will of these young people in order to create more civil war and unrest. That is after all, always their goal. It's like... nudging over the evidence with your elbow while looking the other way in order to deliberately enrage the young impressionable minds of college-aged folks --- "look guys, look at all these starving babies in Gaza who are dying, look at all the women and children being slaughtered.... I bet you're REAL angry, right? Now go create chaos at your universities!". The young woke mobs are RIGHT to be FEELING something and to be outraged, but they don't realize that they're playing into the hands of the global elite's larger global plan. It's how it's always done. Pure psychological warfare.

    I'm mostly in agreement with you.

    They're surely weaponizing the idealism and naivete of youth. The adults in the room have fled (the ones that could have been helpful) and the ones that remain are largely responsible for the ideology being shoved down the kid's throats. For sure they (professors, admin) share the responsibility for what we're seeing now on college campuses.

    I was an absolute fool at that age, and might have been susceptible myself had I grown up in the current era. I had no political interests at all in college. None. I had a very vague idea of what was going on in the world, but was largely in my own head. I'd have sooner sat around and picked dead skin out of my ears with a pen cap for 5 hours than protested in the street.

    I'm glad the kids are more politically oriented now on the one hand. But most of them can't even make their bed in the morning, yet they think they can offer prescriptions for world peace. That combination of hubris, arrogance, ignorance, and irrational confidence often makes for a dangerous, mentally unstable individual.

    I do see some genuinely concerned students, but also some deeply narcissistic, cluster B types who have learned that they can effectively cloak their pathologies within the ideology and recast them as virtues to a largely gullible crowd...and earn the reputation as a kind person, or one who seeks justice. The snake always hides behind compassion.

    These people usually assume the role of leader of the activists, or something similar. And they're able to easily influence the more innocent, genuinely kind types. It's a complex situation.
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    Interesting article here, titled: NYPD Release Video Showing 'Protest Consultant' at Columbia University".

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/nypd-rele...025331163.html

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    Interesting article here, titled: NYPD Release Video Showing 'Protest Consultant' at Columbia University".

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/nypd-rele...025331163.html

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    Reporter: "Is he aware of the reports that a fair number of people arrested on college campuses are not students?"

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    Are these college protest just a festival of demented and deluded "wokeism" on college campuses? What the heck is "wokeism" from the point of it's detractors here on the thread anyway? From some of my friends, the word just means that the woke care about people who are persecuted and are experiencing injustice. Isn't that what the college protests are, for the most part, about: care and concern for a people who are being evicted from the land they have been living on for centuries, people who are being starved to death, deprived of water, power, medical care, a means to build a better life for themselves, people who are seeing bombs and bullets reigned down on them as they see more of their schools, churches and hospitals destroyed as the take more and more of their friends and family for burial in cemeteries?

    Here is an interview with two Columbia students: Mohammad Hemeida and Jon Ben-Menachem. They are completely grounded, passionate, focused and intelligent spokespeople for their causes and what they describe that is going on at the Columbia campus is nothing short of amazing!


    Source: https://www.rumble.com/video/v4p8wot
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    Quote I'm glad the kids are more politically oriented now on the one hand. But most of them can't even make their bed in the morning, yet they think they can offer prescriptions for world peace. That combination of hubris, arrogance, ignorance, and irrational confidence often makes for a dangerous, mentally unstable individual.
    Quote I do see some genuinely concerned students, but also some deeply narcissistic, cluster B types who have learned that they can effectively cloak their pathologies within the ideology and recast them as virtues to a largely gullible crowd...and earn the reputation as a kind person, or one who seeks justice. The snake always hides behind compassion.
    Previously I held very similar views to every word here, but lately I've been choosing to be more of an optimist and trying to assume the best of these kid's hearts, to not always assume guilty souls who aren't as capable of the same sort of depth of spirit I hold within myself - but of course I complain and notice all the same things about their generation. I live close to a college town and come into contact with these types all the time. I could probably write a ten page paper about my frustrations with generation Z's behavior... Lately I've been trying to give them the benefit of the doubt in my own life as I was previously quite negative about them...

    Also, the video Kryztian just posted is a great example of the sort of thing I've been witnessing myself, and I've been impressed. What I've been witnessing doesn't seem like snake oil. Still, I 100% understand and feel what you're saying as also holding much truth too.

    They're growing and growing up fast... For the first time I'm seeing a change in them, and the type I would hope to see. I would even go as far to call it an awakening of sorts. It's the type of awakening I genuinely didn't think Z kiddos were capable of due to the drastic difference in how they grew up alongside soul sucking technologies which brainwashed them into self-worship and narcissism from a very young age. What I'm seeing in their eyes is the awakening of the spirit. Not all, but many. Now if we can just help Alpha get their heads out of scrolling tik tok full time and being a celebrity in their own little fantasy worlds...
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    Default Re: Why Do The Woke Support Palestine?

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    Thanks so much Bill.. My heart feels grateful to know most on Avalon are on the same page. I revised the previous message a little just now for a few more examples why I don't entirely blame the woke college-aged folks for their ignorance on so deeper realities of Ukraine/Russia - I personally feel their rioting is genuinely sincere from what I've seen.
    One of the very few members who was clearly not on the same page was immediately shown the door a couple of months ago.

    It wasn't because he presented a counter opinion, or claimed facts that could be discussed and debated. The issue was his repugnant personal expression of hatred and acutely targeted racism that has no place here.

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...nd_discoveries

    WHAT HAS PALESTINIANS GIVEN TO THE WORLD?
    More Palestinians.
    Get the **** off this forum.

    What is becoming clear to me is that this is an anti-Israel forum. Hamas are not nice; why isn't that represented more? I don't relate to this thread any more, but I used to.

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    Quote What is becoming clear to me is that this is an anti-Israel forum. Hamas are not nice; why isn't that represented more? I don't relate to this thread any more, but I used to.
    For me personally, Matthew, I refuse to even associate the beauty of the Palestinian people with Hamas. Hamas was a set up. Hamas is psychological warfare. Hamas was put there by the CIA/Israel and other shadow government hidden hands in order to frame the Palestinian people. There is a lot of evidence for that.. I apologize that I'm not going to generate a long list of resources, but it's difficult to put the last year of research into a comment thread. You have to do the digging yourself. Though, I'm aware the WEF has declared we all need to "Stop doing your own research" because our fingers are so far up our noses that we don't understand disinformation when we see it.. That sort of thing..

    This was probably a plan in the making decades ago. If you want to take over a people, the first thing you do to crucify their image is by making them look bad. You plant the evidence, you even arrange the event yourself pretending you had no idea about it. Is it really disputable anymore that October 7th was something the Israeli government knew about MONTHS in advance? And yet they did nothing to stop it. The entire thing was a set up so that they could have an excuse to destroy and take over Gaza. This is straight up ethnic destruction of an entire people.

    I'm not ANTI anyone. I'm anti human destruction. I'm anti setting people up in order to make them look bad and then justifying the slaughter of 40k women and children because some guys might be "hiding out in some tunnels" below everyone's homes. I have seen HUNDREDS of pieces of footage left and right of Israeli soldiers beating people up in the streets, targeting innocent civilians, using AI to destroy entire families based of the "possibility" of their connections and nothing more, emptying grain bags in order to continue the starvation of the people, raids of hospitals, destruction of nearly all attempts at AID, Israeli soldiers looking through the underwear drawers of Palestinian women to try to "prove" they're not innocent because they own lingerie; children deliberately targeted, infants dying daily from starvation, women deliberately targeted.. The Israelis are constantly showing how much they hate innocent Palestinian civilians. Most just want to look the other way. The mainstream media is showing only the tip of the iceberg on how bad it truly has been over the last six months. Excuse me, the list could go on 100 times fold but I won't...

    I remember when one of the young hip Festival ladies a few months back was finally released from Gaza, she went onto live air declaring "They're all terrorists over there. All Gazans are Terrorists!"..... This couldn't have been further from the truth! And the whole world saw this on mainstream media sources.

    I have seen enough. Enough to know that the Gazans are not doing even 1/1000th of what is being committed against them, towards Israel. People need to stop using Hamas as an excuse for total Destruction of an entire culture and begin reviewing the actual facts regarding what is truly going on the ground in Gaza over these last six months. We again have only seen the tip of the iceberg.

    Are you aware that The United Sates alongside Anthony Blinken/Israel as a JOINT effort are already removing the destruction of where homes/businesses use to stand in order to construct their own PORT supposedly to "bring aid"? TO BRING AID? Aid is DESTROYED every time it arrives BY Israel. Those are the facts. The port is so that they can have access to oil and natural resources which Gaza is sitting on, as well as bring in all their equipment more easily to "build back better" (that beautiful little WEF phrase) in their own image. The entire thing is deplorable.

    I will, if I'm not already, probably go on a list for "potential American domestic terrorist" because I've said all of this.
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    Quote Posted by Kryztian (here)
    Are these college protest just a festival of demented and deluded "wokeism" on college campuses? What the heck is "wokeism" from the point of it's detractors here on the thread anyway? From some of my friends, the word just means that the woke care about people who are persecuted and are experiencing injustice. Isn't that what the college protests are, for the most part, about: care and concern for a people who are being evicted from the land they have been living on for centuries, people who are being starved to death, deprived of water, power, medical care, a means to build a better life for themselves, people who are seeing bombs and bullets reigned down on them as they see more of their schools, churches and hospitals destroyed as the take more and more of their friends and family for burial in cemeteries?

    Here is an interview with two Columbia students: Mohammad Hemeida and Jon Ben-Menachem. They are completely grounded, passionate, focused and intelligent spokespeople for their causes and what they describe that is going on at the Columbia campus is nothing short of amazing!


    Source: https://www.rumble.com/video/v4p8wot
    Chris, haven't you read any of the 8 trillion threads I've written about "woke" and "woke" related topics here? I've defined woke more times than I can count, including at least once here in this thread!

    Woke is repackaged Marxism. But it replaces the economic/class conflict we find in traditional Marxism (bourgeois vs the working class) with social conflict i.e. black vs white, gay vs straight, trans vs straight, etc.

    It offers as it's mantra "diversity, equity, and inclusion". Like everything else in woke Marxism, it involves a sneaky manipulation of language. That mantra has a positive emotional valence, but it really means something totally different than one would initially think.

    Inclusivity really means exclusivity
    Diversity really means forced ideological agreement (authoritarianism)
    Equity has nothing to do with true equality (equality of opportunity). What they are really seeking is equality of outcome (Marxism)

    Woke is used as a Trojan horse for those who hope to topple the west. They themselves aren't Marxists really, they're just using Marxist tactics as a cudgel to do the job. They obviously can't call it Marxism, so it's been called "woke", or social justice, or critical social justice..or any other number of names. Who are "they" you ask? Well, look to who's funding these protests (and numerous others like it) and all the proven paid agitators who help organize it (Soros, Rockefeller etc). And I strongly suspect it goes far deeper than them.

    The goal of woke is to politicize environments, and create more tension along existing fault lines. It's designed to cause chaos. It's corrosive. It has an ethos of destruction (destruction of language, property i.e. statues etc, common sense, rationality, enlightenment values, Christian-Judeo values, the nuclear family, national pride, among other things) but demonstrates no ability to create anything itself.

    Woke seeks to make a grievance out of everything. It's fuel is bitterness and resentment.

    It offers a distorted, vastly exaggerated view of societal ills, and offers as it's solution a "therapy" that has been tried numerous times on this planet and resulted in millions and millions of deaths as a result (Marxism). Are the college kids hoping for millions and millions of deaths? No! But the ideology behind their utterances will create it eventually, if left unchecked. They've made themselves fertile ground for this type of brain washing. Are the kids conscious Marxists? In most cases, no. But they're acting it out unknowingly thru a different name (woke).

    Having said all that...

    Several things can be true at the same time.

    Several groups of people can want the same result for entirely different reasons.

    I don't doubt - to Lily's point - that many of the kids are genuinely emotionally invested in Gaza. And I don't doubt that some are privy to the real details of the conflict. But most aren't. Their hearts may be in the right place, but their innate kindness is being weaponized by outside forces they're woefully unaware of. All their energy is being filtered thru this woke/Marxist framework to create woke/Marxist ends, so whether they're intellectually aware and emotionally authentic (which I doubt) might be irrelevant ultimately.

    I'm not surprised that you were able to find a video depicting 2 seemingly authentic, grounded, articulate students. But it does not indicate a trend in my estimation.
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    Maybe a thread title change could simply be "Why Does The Woke Agenda Support Palestine?"

    The whole idea of an entire generation being labeled "woke" is getting confusing and tiring, when it seems that what we are referring to is the agenda behind this manufactured label.

    It reminds me of how they slandered the entire 60's peace movement with the all-encompassing term "hippy".
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    Quote Posted by Lilyofthestars (here)
    Quote I'm glad the kids are more politically oriented now on the one hand. But most of them can't even make their bed in the morning, yet they think they can offer prescriptions for world peace. That combination of hubris, arrogance, ignorance, and irrational confidence often makes for a dangerous, mentally unstable individual.
    Quote I do see some genuinely concerned students, but also some deeply narcissistic, cluster B types who have learned that they can effectively cloak their pathologies within the ideology and recast them as virtues to a largely gullible crowd...and earn the reputation as a kind person, or one who seeks justice. The snake always hides behind compassion.
    Previously I held very similar views to every word here, but lately I've been choosing to be more of an optimist and trying to assume the best of these kid's hearts, to not always assume guilty souls who aren't as capable of the same sort of depth of spirit I hold within myself - but of course I complain and notice all the same things about their generation. I live close to a college town and come into contact with these types all the time. I could probably write a ten page paper about my frustrations with generation Z's behavior... Lately I've been trying to give them the benefit of the doubt in my own life as I was previously quite negative about them...

    Also, the video Kryztian just posted is a great example of the sort of thing I've been witnessing myself, and I've been impressed. What I've been witnessing doesn't seem like snake oil. Still, I 100% understand and feel what you're saying as also holding much truth too.

    They're growing and growing up fast... For the first time I'm seeing a change in them, and the type I would hope to see. I would even go as far to call it an awakening of sorts. It's the type of awakening I genuinely didn't think Z kiddos were capable of due to the drastic difference in how they grew up alongside soul sucking technologies which brainwashed them into self-worship and narcissism from a very young age. What I'm seeing in their eyes is the awakening of the spirit. Not all, but many. Now if we can just help Alpha get their heads out of scrolling tik tok full time and being a celebrity in their own little fantasy worlds...

    I really really hope you're right and I'm wrong

    I'm obviously more cynical, and time will tell if it's justified or not.

    You're obviously more connected to that type of environment than me (I've been off college campuses for a long time now!) so there's a reasonable argument to be made that your analysis is closer to the truth than mine.

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    Quote Posted by Sue (Ayt) (here)
    Maybe a thread title change could simply be "Why Does The Woke Agenda Support Palestine?"

    The whole idea of an entire generation being labeled "woke" is getting confusing and tiring, when it seems that what we are referring to is the agenda behind this manufactured label.

    It reminds me of how they slandered the entire 60's peace movement with the all-encompassing term "hippy".


    That's fine, Sue. I have no issue with that.

    "Woke" can be tiring and confusing. It's loaded with contradictions, language manipulations, catch 22's, Kafka traps, and subterfuge. It's deliberately designed that way in order to keep from being exposed. It wants to discourage close inspection.
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    WHAT HAS PALESTINIANS GIVEN TO THE WORLD?
    More Palestinians.
    What is becoming clear to me is that this is an anti-Israel forum. Hamas are not nice; why isn't that represented more? I don't relate to this thread any more, but I used to.
    Matthew, surely you're not saying you support the kind of sentiment expressed there, and had you been a moderator, allowed it to stand?


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    Default Re: Why Do The Woke Support Palestine?

    On January 6th 2021 it wasn't the massive peaceful crowd in Washington that were the problem. It was the crooked operators sent in to cause trouble.

    Columbia University may have a nice clean crowd but in Washington there was something else going on. There are a lot of Universities.

    When that speaker at Washington Uni said “There’s only one solution, intifada revolution. We must have a revolution so we can have a socialist reconstruction of the United States of America.” I didn't hear boos or silence.

    That's the factor that puts me on alert for dangers being manufactured, and that's been the basis of my contribution to this thread.

    I'm sure there are lots of really nice young people attending higher education all over America, just like there were lots of really nice people who travelled to Washington to stand in freezing weather on Jan 6th 2021.

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    Default Re: Why Do The Woke Support Palestine?

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    Thanks so much Bill.. My heart feels grateful to know most on Avalon are on the same page. I revised the previous message a little just now for a few more examples why I don't entirely blame the woke college-aged folks for their ignorance on so deeper realities of Ukraine/Russia - I personally feel their rioting is genuinely sincere from what I've seen.
    One of the very few members who was clearly not on the same page was immediately shown the door a couple of months ago.

    It wasn't because he presented a counter opinion, or claimed facts that could be discussed and debated. The issue was his repugnant personal expression of hatred and acutely targeted racism that has no place here.

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by ozmirage (here)
    WHAT HAS ISRAEL GIVEN TO THE WORLD?
    http://www.israel21c.org/israels-top...of-all-time-2/
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...nd_discoveries

    WHAT HAS PALESTINIANS GIVEN TO THE WORLD?
    More Palestinians.
    Get the **** off this forum.

    What is becoming clear to me is that this is an anti-Israel forum. Hamas are not nice; why isn't that represented more? I don't relate to this thread any more, but I used to.

    Matthew, this thread is neither for nor against Israel

    Sigh...I give up

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    Exclamation Re: Why Do The Woke Support Palestine?

    General speaking, ANY extremism (Neo-Left or Neo-Right) will find a way to hijack, exploit & abuse anything for their "cause" ... but in my view not everything is as it seems ... Some things are not done "organically" nor "spontaneously".

    When it is coordinated in a specific manner/way, you will often notice that the mass (brainwashing) media networks (radio, tv, newspapers, magazines, big MSM websites) sell almost all certain (near) identical one-dimensional narratives that only FUELS more controversy and more rage for others to be sucked into ... "all by design" in my opinion.
    • They are not only "perception managers" (formerly known as "spin doctors") but it seems to me, they are also: skilled instigators of mass psychology warfare!
    • Both (extreme) neo-sides play the "guilty by association" accusatory mind-games (tunnel-vision rhetoric) ... And so many fall for that kind of (in my view, obvious) stupid framing ... Then when you educate them how they are manipulated/being played, they get even more upset!
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    Default Re: Why Do The Woke Support Palestine?

    Quote Posted by Mike (here)
    Chris, haven't you read any of the 8 trillion threads I've written about "woke" and "woke" related topics here? I've defined woke more times than I can count, including at least once here in this thread!
    Mike, I've read a lot of your quotes and have found some great observations and also things to disagree with, and while you it is always an enjoyable experience having a debate with you, I also haven't always had the time, energy or clarity of mind. I have also contributed to some of your 8 trillion threads as you may have noticed.

    Let's just say I have my own thoughts about what "woke" is. Just a few bullet points on them, which I don't have time to defend, but here are some idea as to where I am coming from:
    • "Woke" means a lot of things to people. One could say that the slogan "All Live Matter" that appears in the masthead at the top of this page is "woke". I think having compassion for all people is generally a good idea. I would call this "good woke". I am loathe to use the word "woke" by itself as a negative. But I do think there is truly something I call "problematic woke", where an excessive amount of caring about one problem and lead to a blindness to other problems in the world.

    • "Problematic woke" is a very different problem at different times, whether you are talking about Evergreen University, Minneapolis, Portland. I have lots of thought about the time I spent working in the "woke" Episcopal church and am still trying to pinpoint what the problem is. It is easy to come up with theories about people, but to accurately describe them and their motivations is a lot more difficult.

    • I don't think woke is anything new. But I do think these ideas are being used to manipulate people, and that manipulation occurs on both sides of the woke fence. Best way to escape is to take a chill pill.

    • I don't think I see Marxism/Communism as the basis for what is going on at college campuses at all, however, I did walk around the perimeter of Columbia University and ran into a small brigade of self proclaimed communists and spoke to them briefly.

    Quote Posted by Kryztian (here)

    The communist protest. If you are under 70 years of age, you get to carry the banners.
    I will just say they extremely nice and a few of them looked quite frail, and as best I could tell, there main motivation for being there was because of human decency and outrage at what is happening in Gaza, not because they expected they were going to get commie converts. Didn't talk to them, but they reminded me of my friend Dorothy who died last year at age 92, who had a large marble bust of Lenin in her living room. She was an activist and on rare occasion would spout out some communist jargon, but for the most part, she was active in campaigning against the war in Iraq, against the big developers in our county that were taking away homes from people by eminent domain and against corporations that were polluting the environment and not cleaning it up. If any of those causes are communist then get me a Che Guevara T-shirt.
    • Some other "-isms" one might see at work in the student protests are anti-authoritarianism, anarchism, anti-racism (against an Israeli government that takes away land and humans rights from one ethnic group and gives them to another.) I don't think the vast majority of why students are protesting can be boiled down to any one thing except perhaps human decency, and the concern that other people be treated decently. I just don't see how this all boils down to "communism". Perhaps I need to dig out the "Karl Marx Reader" I skimmed over in college.

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    Default Re: Why Do The Woke Support Palestine?

    Quote Posted by Mike (here)

    To summarize:

    1. The woke support Palestine because they view Palestinians as "people of color" and Jews as whites.
    Mike that is quite an interesting idea right there. Do you have any proof to back it up? Any statement from "the woke" or tracts they have written? Any proof that these ideas have transferred from one "woke" person and become popular? You are making quite a generalization here, and much of your argument follows from that statement.

    Of course it is a well known fact that Israeli Jews are both Ashkenazy (from Poland & Germany) and Sephardic (from the Middle East, Northern Africa and Spain). There are even Ethiopian Jews and Palestinian Jews whose ancestry traces itself back for millenia in the area that is Israel/Palestine.

    Just wondering if these is some idea you came up with or if there is documentable, provable evidence that this is a central idea on college campuses?

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    Lightbulb Re: Why Do The Woke Support Palestine?

    • My personal (highly biased) observation that are just my perspectives/experiences with the woke culture:
    The same people that insist they are defined by certain new labels (like: "WOKE") they created ... are the same people that get "upset" when you ask for more clarification ... Then they act as if you should know "all about it" and not ask "silly questions" nor "having certain assumptions" MEANWHILE they are full of it themselves >>> having unchecked & unchallenged assumptions 24/7

    If anyone describes wokism or "woke movement" (a.o. having ties with neo-marxism!) the correct way and is much closer to the truth how they behave/act/think/reason/judge, you will notice they do not like that at all >>> and make it deliberately VAGUE again "acting stupid" ... You are not supposed to "own" their made-up language they control of how language is FLUIDLY used that benefits their agenda, not yours ... So of course they LOVE to change the meaning of words many times over ... then laugh at you if you "feel confused".

    So in short: they play the "victim card" when exposed then accuse you of being a: .... <<< fill in the blanks here, mostly accusatory words that ends with "phobe".

    Wikipedia quote:

    "Woke is an adjective derived from African-American Vernacular English (AAVE) originally meaning alertness to racial prejudice and discrimination. Beginning in the 2010s, it came to encompass a broader awareness of social inequalities such as racial injustice, sexism, and denial of LGBT rights".
    • Why does wikipedia forget to mention that "climate hysteria" is also part of the woke culture?
    quote: "Once this revision within Marxism is understood, understanding Woke ideology becomes easier. The Woke insistence that all political opponents are ultimately fascist, the Woke insistence that their movement is revolutionary and liberationist – especially toward scapegoated minority groups – and the Woke opposition to capitalism reveals its intellectual basis in the neo-Marxism of the post-WWII world.

    In the here and now, Woke ideology looks to dismantle all the structures of “hierarchy and power” within the developed capitalist world in order to prevent the rise of militant fascism. The elimination of the hierarchies and power of capitalism, which will fuel the rise of a neo-fascism as capitalism collapses under the weight of its own contradictions and oppression, is the purpose of revolutionary politics. Revolutionary socialist and liberationist politics aims at dismantling all the forces and institutions which would otherwise be used to advance fascism and fascist propaganda". unquote
    Most who are part of the woke-culture have NO CLUE what Neo-Marxism really is but are conditioned to use similar tactics Neo-Marxists have used >>> similar rethoric & group behaviour (collectivism) etc. ... Some of the leading woke-organizers openly promoted (Neo)-Marxism ... That does not mean everybody "must" be neo-Marxists.

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