9/11: Truth Still Matters, Over 20 Years Later

[Satori]

In post #13 on this thread I posted a link to a peer reviewed paper I wrote that was published in March of 2015. That paper argues for a critical review of the relevancy and reliability of expert opinions offered for or against the official explanation of the cause of the destruction of the WTC buildings on 9/11/2001.

The video in post #19 above points out what Gage called “the abuse of science regarding 9/11 and the pandemic”. (I’m paraphrasing.) The gist of his point is: experts were mustered to lie about the science and physics behind the collapse of the WTC buildings, and attack opposing experts opinions, just as experts were, and still are, mustered to lie about the science and medicine about the pandemic and the jabs, and attack opposing scientific and medical opinions.

To this I will add something I said on this Forum a year or so ago on a covid thread. That is, that the criminals took a lesson from 9/11. That lesson involved the need to be able to persuade and confuse the masses by means of the deployment of experts, so-called, and their expert opinions in connection with their pandemic and jab program they were going to launch against not just the US, but the world.

However, one problem the criminals faced with 9/11 was the visibility of what occurred. This problem was coupled with what people saw on that day, and on videos since that day, over and over again, year after year. People began to scratch their heads, wonder and question what destroyed the buildings. They began to form their own opinions, which began to differ from the opinions of the experts telling them to ignore what they saw and heard. This problem for the criminals was enhanced by the fact that while most people don’t fancy themselves a virologist, or an immunologist, or a medical doctor, or biologist or some such thing, they do fancy themselves to have a basic understanding, from experience, of the mechanics of fire, construction, and gravity. Also, far too many People had seen on TV and movies actual footage of buildings being brought down by controlled demolition. Thus, many of us can form and have formed our own opinions based upon our own experiences about buildings that collapse at free fall speed into their own footprint. The cause is controlled demolition of some sort. Even if we do not know the exact sort of explosive(s) actually deployed.

So, my belief is, that the criminals learned a lesson from 9/11. They understood they had a problem with the lay person acting as his and her own expert, not believing the governments’ experts and drawing conclusions contrary to the official narratives. This would lead to undesirable results, such as resistance, including vaccine hesitancy and other forms of noncompliance.

To address this, they realized that they need to get people to believe the experts about the pandemic and the jab so that most people will not feel they are qualified to question the experts and will comply. They also had to convince people to not trust any expert who came out against the official narrative. The media played an essential part in all of this, as it did with 9/11. To this very day.

A fix was needed for this problem. A virtually invisible “virus”, a global pandemic, shrouded in the mysteries of science, virology, immunology and the like, fit the bill perfectly. There’s nothing for anyone to see and question or doubt what they are seeing. The illness morphs, it is asymptomatic, it is wherever and whenever the experts say, it affects whomever and in myriad ways as the experts declare, and the symptoms vary and change and the treatment and cure is what the experts proclaim. If a real expert, not a paid shill, comes along who challenges the official narrative he or she is censored, or worse, just like 9/11.

Unlike 9/11, no layperson is going to feel qualified by experience within the kin of common people, or otherwise, to question the official narrative. Most people will be inclined to accept the opinions of the experts who are paraded about by the mainstream. People like Fauci.

Indeed as Neil deGrasse Tyson said on the Steve Colbert show in early 2020 when asked by Colbert about the so-called Corona virus and the pandemic, “I think we're in the middle of a massive experiment worldwide." To which Colbert replied, “You mean we're the guinea pigs?” To which deGrasse Tyson replied, nodding his head approvingly, "Maybe. The experiment is: will people listen to scientists." ... "Like Anthony Fauci." Colbert said....

Notably, deGrasse Tyson was wearing a tie that at up close appeared to be a NASA type rocket, but when the camera pulled back, it appeared very much to be a syringe and needle.

Predictive programming indeed.

Edit: To add video of the interview and to correct the quote. The discussion begins at the 54 second mark and goes on for about a minute. There may be a commercial before the interview starts.

https://www.cbs.com/shows/video/29D1...-B2D7D7FDB4AC/

[DaveToo]

Posted by Satori (here)

Posted by Blastolabs (here)

Posted by Satori (here)
On the occasion of the 21st anniversary I am again posting a peer-reviewed article I wrote in March of 2015. (It was peer-reviewed by 3 engineers and 3 lawyers.) The article can be found on the websites of The Journal of 9/11 Studies, Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and Global Research. David Ray Griffin called the article “An important brick in the wall of 9/11 truth.”

http://www.journalof911studies.com/r...eyVol40Mar.pdf

The only person who ever claimed to have "evidence of thermite" was Steven Jones. Jones is known for his key role in covering up the cold fusion experiments in 1989. He did the same thing with his "thermite hypothesis" which served to distract people from the fact that evidence of cold fusion phenomenon was seen after 9/11.

This video explains in detail.
It is clear that Stephen Jones is not to be trusted, does anyone really believe that someone would have gotten so much main stream media coverage if they were exposing the truth?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=cTi0bLvfY6E

Nowhere in the article did I say that the WTC buildings were destroyed by thermite. Not once. In fact I was careful not to make any claim about what type of explosive or explosives were used to destroy these buildings on 9/11/2021. And, I made clear that WTC 7 was destroyed in a conventional manner, which would not admit of thermite being the cause.

I assume that the reason you bring up S. Jones and thermite is to attempt to refute my article. If so, you fall flat. Indeed, assuming you read the article, you don’t understand it, as your post indicates that you misapprehend, or seek to misrepresent, the article.

Yes, a few footnotes refer the reader to writings by Jones. But many others refer the reader to several other experts who disagree with Jones and who present different scientific hypotheses, including experts who purport to support the official theory.

The start of the collapse of WTC7 may have used conventional explosives or thermite or a combination of them.
What followed after collapse initiation was no longer conventional explosives/thermite.
More to follow soon.

[norman]

A closer look at the Art Project team at the Twin Towers before the famous day's event. It adds up to a very suspicious cluster of coincidences and behaviours.

ORDER OUT OF CHAOS | VOL 1: THE B-THING


Source: https://www.bitchute.com/video/7MbTHQbvAt2P/



Originally released May 25, 2022 at DauntlessDialogue.com

The 9/11 Commission Report blamed radical al Qaeda terrorists for the horrific terror attacks carried out on American soil. However, the official report failed to mention Gelatin and E-Team. Who are they and what are the implications of their connections to Mossad? And just what exactly is “The B-Thing?” Edited and narrated by Mouthy Buddha, ORDER OUT OF CHAOS is a new series investigating the true culprits behind the most notorious false flag attack in modern history, how they engineered it, and how they got away with it.

[Bluegreen]

Splitting the Sky - Exposing the Real Criminals Behind 9-11 and the NWO Agenda

On September 11th, 2008 Splitting the Sky (John Boncore) spoke on Parliament Hill as the final speaker at the 'March on Ottawa for 9/11 Truth', and he began to name the names of those benefited financially from the attacks of 9/11/2001, and to expose them (companies, individuals, countries and agencies) as being the real perpetrators. He also made a call to action to apprehend the individuals, because the official authorities have failed to do so. Highlights of that speech are included at the beginning of this video.

A few days later, we went to Mohawk territory in Khanawake, near Montreal and we conducted an on-camera interview (*) in which Splitting the Sky systematically went through his research, naming the names and exposing the agenda. He stated the risks which he faced for making these statements, but felt 100% certain about his conclusions, and stressed the importance of bringing out this information. He stated that attempts have been made on his life in the past, in his years of activism, but that he did not fear death.

He criticized Alex Jones, Amy Goodman, and others in the "alternative media" for not having him on their shows, and discussing these facts, and criticized the "anti-war" movement for not talking about these issues, as they are controlled opposition.

On March 17th, 2009 in Calgary, Splitting the Sky became the first and only person to attempt a citizen's arrest of George W. Bush for war crimes, crimes against humanity and torture.

On March 13th, 2013 he was found dead in a secluded area of his hometown of Chase, BC. Media reports say that he had likely slipped and fallen, and had died of a resulting head wound.

Several times over the years, however, Splitting the Sky had said "If someone tells you that I died from a slip and fall -- don't fall for it!". All of the details are unknown, but I believe there is every reason to suspect "foul play" in the death of this life-long, high-profile, dedicated activist for truth, peace, rights and justice.

"If you want to know who was behind 9/11, follow the money" ~ 'Splitting the Sky'

... and, he did just that. The real terrorists are here in this graphic based on his research. None of the terrorists was a Muslim, none was named Osama bin Laden, nor even remotely resembled any of the alleged 19 hijackers.

(*) The interview begins around the 11:45 mark. Poorly made, amateur quality, sound is not right at the beginning, information riveting.

Published 22nd March 2013 (1:55:18)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=JN57CBOPAyw

[norman]

I searched for this film, couldn't see it posted before, so here's another 9/11 film.

As well as facts that all 9/11 films cover it does a good job of extracting the little hints in people's expressions that feed your extra senses, sometimes without any words being spoken at all.

911: Incontrovertible ▪️ Full 9/11 Documentary ▪️ By: Tony Rooke

https://rumble.com/v46tdjr--911-inco...ny-rooke-.html


Source: https://www.rumble.com/video/v4481ro/?pub=1yatds

[norman]

This short 20 minute docu' is surprisingly interesting.

It calls out so many obvious fakes.

In 2024 we now understand how fake the MSM is. In 2001 none of us would have allowed our minds to go there where they will when you watch this in 2024.

Nine Eleven in 20 (2019) - 911 Documentary - Hibbeler

https://rumble.com/v43tuak--911-nine...d-on-yout.html


Source: https://www.rumble.com/video/v418hpb/?pub=1yatds

[Mari]

Posted by norman (here)
This short 20 minute docu' is surprisingly interesting.

It calls out so many obvious fakes.

In 2024 we now understand how fake the MSM is. In 2001 none of us would have allowed our minds to go there where they will when you watch this in 2024.

Nine Eleven in 20 (2019) - 911 Documentary - Hibbeler

https://rumble.com/v43tuak--911-nine...d-on-yout.html


Source: https://www.rumble.com/video/v418hpb/?pub=1yatds

Very interesting video Norman (apart from the annoying background music)
Back then, after all the 'footage' ,I was left with something niggling at the back of my mind, a persistent nagging and it took me a while before I realised just what had 'alerted' me.

Two things: There was supposed to be 'footage' from a Fireman training video which supposedly captured the first plane slamming into the building - the 'first' footage. The camera operator shooting the video just happened to be looking up at the skyline with his camera after supposedly hearing a 'roar' (?) and got the 'perfect shot'. That immediately grated, then, for reasons I couldn't work out. Until now: The fireman 'crew' were crisis actors, or maybe the cameraman was.

Second: the media treated us all - the whole world - with countless repetitions of the planes slamming into the building. I mean countless. I was thinking back then, we've just witnessed an immense trauma - many many souis have perished -why are we getting repeated media shots of the 'planes' slamming into these buildings? This seemed, back then beyond even what the media usually did. Ramming the point home, obviously, I know that now, in the wake of the psychological manipulations of the people re the Convid hoax. creating a new paradigm -preparing us for terrorist war-footing.

We know now that mainstream media is irretrievably corrupt and is nothing more than the propaganda arm of the cabal. I've watched a lot of 9/11 vids over the years and I didn't need much convincing that the whole official narrative was an almighty crock. But on the day, back then, I felt real misgivings about what I was seeing, but couldn't piece it together because I thought, then, that our media could be trusted.
Oh - how we've grown up since then!!

Just out of curiosity Norman (and any interested others) did you find any 'niggles' on the day - gut feelings, if you like, upon first seeing the presented footage?

[mountain_jim]

https://x.com/iluminatibot/status/1785844213877256350

[Tintin]

Posted by norman (here)
This short 20 minute docu' is surprisingly interesting.

It calls out so many obvious fakes.

In 2024 we now understand how fake the MSM is. In 2001 none of us would have allowed our minds to go there where they will when you watch this in 2024.

Nine Eleven in 20 (2019) - 911 Documentary - Hibbeler

https://rumble.com/v43tuak--911-nine...d-on-yout.html


Source: https://www.rumble.com/video/v418hpb/?pub=1yatds

That's a pretty neat find

The Canadian chap being interviewed is named David Long and the full interview is in the library 911 directory along with the "Ace" Baker 'no-planes' argument video presentation referenced in this video.

There's actually a fair amount of video in this directory. One or two 'classics' like 'September Clues' aren't there as although I do have them I didn't find the content especially helpful. Providing this can be accessed of course the directory is here

[Tintin]

Posted by Mari (here)
Just out of curiosity Norman (and any interested others) did you find any 'niggles' on the day - gut feelings, if you like, upon first seeing the presented footage?

Yes, absolutely I did The moment I saw the second tower collapse. That never sat well.

I remember leaving the room at work after seeing the TV footage to hit the coffee machine for a much needed brew and saw an American work colleague there, and said this to her: "What have they gone and done, now."

It was a full dozen years later when I found myself unexpectedly digging into what we'd been shown, told, and exposed to: 6 full months of near obsessive digging, every day, and I learned a LOT. Grateful thanks are given to every single curious soul, brave witnesses, and committed researchers whose material I was able to absorb

[norman]

Posted by Mari (here)

Just out of curiosity Norman (and any interested others) did you find any 'niggles' on the day - gut feelings, if you like, upon first seeing the presented footage?

I didn't get a chance to watch it on TV live because I was driving a tractor and only catching bits of news on the crappy radio in the cab which was really only capable of receiving radio 5. I had a very wrong mental impression of what was happening. I thought they were talking about a TV mast on the roof when they said a tower had gone down. My then girl friend had a TV at home and she was running VHS tapes all day recording the news though so I did get to see quite a lot a week later.

The spooky thing that was weird at the time for me was that the next morning I stopped off at a co-op to get a few things on my way to work and I noticed the newspaper section was chock full of "special edition" Sep 11 plane crash papers that were not newspapers but something fully dedicated to the 'terror attack' with giant horrific colour pictures on the front and all the way through. I didn't get one, but maybe I should have. When I saw them I felt something odd but, as you do, I had stuff to get on with and 2 years went by before I even began to hear about anomalies and review the footage. Once I got my hands on the Dave Vonkleist 9/11 in Plane Sight DVD I made lots of copies and gave them away to as many people as I could, including a member of the House of Lords who had at one time been my local MP down in Wales.

I was only just beginning to get access to the internet at around that time. At first by using a neighbour's connection ( for about a year ) then I got my own, very oddly, I discovered Project Camelot almost straight off the bat once I was on my own connection at home and watched all their videos which freaked me the hell out and I crashed, for a bunch of reasons but information overload was the straw that broke. I was actually in psych' hospital at the moment Avalon forum 1 was launched so I only turned up after the rush "and sat in the back", sedated but well fed for the first time in a year or two.

[Vicus]

First 9/11 impressions that day only from TV

A) Just came from groceries shopping,turn TV on and...WTF? I saw "life" the second plane crashing! it was clear not a movie cuz commentator panic! ,begin the marathon TV that day...

B) Hours later call me a good friend of mine and invite me to dinner and continue watching the news,once there I told him and his girlfriend "we are watching history in the making,there will be a
before and an after this Event!

C) At that time I was not 100% awake yet (that came 2004 with the second version of the documentary "Loose Change", BUT, just with the first 24 hours TV I smelled a BIG RAT!

I saw TV pieces that later you find only in that documentary, and today that documentary version(2004) I could not find last year...

for example:
1- people and firefighter telling to reporters about explosions on the base building...
2- Only 3/4 windows on fire from building 7... when it collapsed I told to myself... NO WAY!
3-TV showing the ground from Pentagon and asking the medics,helper and so on and they saying: no bodies, no bodies parts,no luggage, no wings, no turbines(titanium made!),no wheels just a
hole on the wall about maximal 5 m in diameter ...
4-Most people forgot very quickly about the 4th plane...(in Pittsburgh? or something... ) TV showing from helicopter just a long Lang hole on the ground and some dirt, that's all !
again reporter asking the rescue operatives and...???
Again no bodies, no bodies parts, no luggage,no wings, no turbines,no wheels...???
5-A bunch of people from 2004 documentary die after in suspicious ways: one black man who talk long and extensive about bombs going off in the base buildings, one Dutch expert in control
demolitions interview in Holland. who stated very clear what and how it was possible...(car "accident")

Well,the rest is make to believe whatever we want/prefer to believe against the official parole:

a FAIRY TALE

[Michel Leclerc]

As stated elsewhere, the beginning of my unbelief was when I saw in real time on TV how in the tower with the top level antenna the antenna sank through the roof into a void under it before the surrounding top floors followed in its wake. That led to my immediate conclusion that the central concrete core in which the elevator columns had been fitted was being exploded away under it. When I visited New York at the end of the 80s, the remarkable construction of the towers being floors horizontally attached to the central core and vertically kept in line bij the glass and steel outer veil, had my special interest. Then and there it had already occurred to me that the buildings were admirably secured by the most central part of them, being both the strongest and the best hidden. Hence the disappearance of the antenna (and consequently of the central core) immediately implied a full collapse, which did follow, immediately. All the rest of the official explanation was nonsense.

[norman]

Posted by Vicus (here)
First 9/11 impressions that day only from TV

A) Just came from groceries shopping,turn TV on and...WTF? I saw "life" the second plane crashing! it was clear not a movie cuz commentator panic! ,begin the marathon TV that day...

I don't think studio commentator shock or panic is evidence that it was not 'a movie'. Their shock or panic would be designed into the op, so they were not privi to the video feeds being piped. The other kind of feeds were the reporter on the ground type where they usually just talked about the chaos with snippets of things they had been told by operatives running it.

The media was never anything but the intel world's bitch. It was born out of the Rhodes Foundation which decided in the first decade of the 20th century ( formalised at a special meeting in London on a date I can't exactly remember but I think it was 1909 ) that all newspapers and journalism was to be controlled for the purpose of advancing it's agenda. In America it first turned up as the RCA company, a spinoff of the Marconi company which was a Pilgrim Society front. The Pilgrim society and the Rhodes Fundation are essentially the same people and the same thing.

Even Charles Lieber (of nano wires and nano tec' fame ) the man the DOD arrested at an airport near the start of the Covid plandemic is a descendant of the key operations manager of the Marconi/RCA rollout.


Having said all that, I've watched the 20 min video above 5 or more time now and I think i can see signs that the video maker has done a bit of fakery of his own in it.

[onawah]

I was watching the live footage from pedestrians on the scene on the day it all happened.
Then on the following days, I watched what was being offered on TV as the "official verson".
And the two versions just didn't add up, which was when I started jumping down rabbit holes and became a dedicated conspiracy theorist.
Everything presented from Architects & Engineers for 911 Truth:
https://www.ae911truth.org/news
...corroborated my suspicions, and of course Project Camelot and then the first Project Avalon forum.
I imagine that day was quite the game changer for a whole lot of people.
.

Posted by Mari (here)

Just out of curiosity Norman (and any interested others) did you find any 'niggles' on the day - gut feelings, if you like, upon first seeing the presented footage?

[Mike]

Posted by onawah (here)
I was watching the live footage from pedestrians on the scene on the day it all happened.
Then on the following days, I watched what was being offered on TV as the "official verson".
And the two versions just didn't add up, which was when I started jumping down rabbit holes and became a dedicated conspiracy theorist.
Everything presented from Architects & Engineers for 911 Truth:
https://www.ae911truth.org/news
...corroborated my suspicions, and of course Project Camelot and then the first Project Avalon forum.
I imagine that day was quite the game changer for a whole lot of people.
.

Posted by Mari (here)

Just out of curiosity Norman (and any interested others) did you find any 'niggles' on the day - gut feelings, if you like, upon first seeing the presented footage?

Hey Nat, that was my experience too. Watching that video Norman posted brought it all back.

Didn't Bill interview an airline employee with insider knowledge? Or am I confused?

[onawah]

Could be, I can't remember how I discovered Project Camelot, but he would surely remember who he's interviewed.

Posted by Mike (here)

Didn't Bill interview an airline employee with insider knowledge? Or am I confused?

[Hermoor]

Recently I sent a copy of Christopher Bollyn's "Solving 9-11: The Deception That Changed The World" to a family member and re-read it again myself.

On the day and for many years after, to my shame, I remained a brainwashed zombie who couldn't see past the official story for the pack of lies it really was.

I spent all of September 2002 living, working and socialising five minutes walk from ground zero. I heard a lot of stories from local people who were already highly sceptical of what their government and media were telling them. I had veteran firefighters and gnarly cops sobbing in front of me as they related the trauma of the day itself and subsequent events.

My closest local friend at the time was in the same line of work as myself. His partner was two weeks overdue on 9/11. She was near to one of the towers as it collapsed. She had to run for her life and also that of her unborn child. Unsurprisingly she didn't get very far. The stress and fear caused her to go into labour. She started giving birth in a doorway as bits of building, large clouds of dust and body parts rained down around her.

A false flag as big as that must have got the green light from the pinnacle of world control.

The same goes for the scamdemic.

For the sake of humanity and common decency it is the duty of everyone in the know to keep waking the sheeple up one by one.

[norman]

About the No Planes hypothesis.

That group of 6 Israelis who were arrested in Virginia after having been seen on a roof filming the destruction of the towers and high5ing each other about it etc were taken and locked up for about 2 months before being sent off on their way home to Israel where they admitted on an Israeli TV channel, in Hebrew, that they were there to document the event.

Whichever agency arrested them and took their equipment they recorded the event with will have seen exactly what they recorded. If there were no planes, they will have seen the evidence of that, or if there were they will have seen that.

[Harmony]

Posted by Mike (here)

Didn't Bill interview an airline employee with insider knowledge? Or am I confused?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=_XgJ1h-gbo8