A look beneath the Holocaust Propaganda ...

[loveandgratitude]

LOOKING BEHIND THE CURTAIN AT WHO IS WHO

IN A BOOK – ADOLF CREATED ISRAEL -
The Author is suggesting that the Western Jews financed Hitler and that Zionist Jews also orchestrated the Holocuast myth as to create the state of Israel.
Let have a look at what Jews supported or influenced Hitler and what are their motives. This is going to be very long so I will break it up into sessions so as to keep the thread from overloading too much information at once. Let us start with Adolph himself, at what information can we find about him, what background and what were his motives.


Adolf Hitler - with high probability a grandson of the Jew Frankenberger. Driven by his boundless hatred towards his own kinsmen, this man brought to reality his Vienna's youth dream to settle the European Jews in the Orient. (Whether this can be proved or not still the jury it out on this one). Maser, a German pastor known as a celebrated researcher of Hitler's persona: all the ancestors of this very unique individual in the world's history, a concentration of cunningness, energy and intelligence, have been derived from old fashioned circles, which were deeply rooted in the Austrian forests with nothing else in between. The uncertain black spot in the life of his born-out-of-wedlock Jewish grandfather, Frankenberger, was cleared for sure by three illiterate men Romeder, Breiteneder, and Paukh, and by a document signed with three "X" marks but without the required signature of a very careful village pastor.three old illiterate men were sent to the village pastor near their hometown and one after another swore that the man who died twenty years earlier was Johann Georg Hiedler, "the one who married Madame Schicklgmber", and before he died, he always wanted to adopt Alois, Adolf Hitler's father. This remarkable statement was documented by the honorable pastor, and by the three men from the forest who had confirmed this by subscribing the document with "X" marks (9). Then the Customs Officer changed the Hiedler name (sometimes called Huettler) into the common Jewish name Hitler. Therefore on that April 20 the newborn citizen received the name Hitler. And he was called Adolf, or later mainly by girls, Wolf (Volve), and still later plainly and simply: "Mein Fuehrer" ("My Leader"). And did not Hitler, after he became Fuehrer, explain to his legal advisor Hans Frank, a son of a Bamberg's Jewish lawyer, that he learned from his grandmother Schicklgruber that her son Alois, Hitler's father, without any doubt originated from an affair with the Jew Frankenberger? Why then, for fourteen years Frankenberger paid faithfully for the support of the born-out-of wedlock Alois? Noticeable in this Hitler's story about his grandmother is he fact, that Madame Schicklgruber died many years before he was born.

One year later a new expert on Hitler, Mr. Fest, strongly contradicted Mr. Maser's research results: "Obviously Maser cannot defend his thesis although he presented it as evidence. Anyway all his arguments are doubtful in a similar way." (3) After such a quite correct statement, for Mr. Fest the complex matter suddenly became simple: "In this context the question of Hitler's grand fatherhood is actually of a secondary rank." (4) For the researcher Fest from that moment on the entire question of Hitler's Jewish origin "is a subject of subordinate interest." Let us protest now!
Impartiality is a very bad form of devaluation of any research work. Anyone who does not want to know in detail about Hitler's half Jewish "alcoholic" father, whom he dragged home from the "ugly, shameful, stinky and smoky bars", (6) and who does not want to know about Hitler's endlessly psychotic hatred toward his kinsmen, will understand little about history of the twentieth century, about the creation of the State of Israel, and about oncoming events which will make us hold our breaths until the end of this century.
In 1936, in Switzerland, Hitler's biographer Konrad Heiden revealed about this Austrian part of the forest that one of Fuehrer's ancestors on his mother's side was Johann Salomon, and that it "has been proven that many Jewish Hitlers lived there," and that the "Rosalie Mueller, maiden name Huettler, is written on a tombstone in a Jewish cemetery in Polna." After annexation of Austria into Germany, one of the first moves Hitler made was to make all the villages and cemeteries with the names of his ancestors disappear, and in their place were established military training grounds.
After one and a half century it is very unlikely for anyone to be able to prove that the Jew Frankenberger was Hitler's grandfather on his father's side. However, it is certain that Hitler knew about the child support paid by Frankenberger, and the fear thatFrankenberger could have been his grandfather never left him. This fear dominated all of his life and undoubtedly motivated his actions. When in Vienna He wandered through the Jewish cemetery in search of a grave, and found several tombstones with the name Frankenberger and others with the name Hitler. In then visited the Villa of Frankenberger in Hietzing. He was let in and waited for Frankenberger. Then Mr.Frankenberger entered, a man in his sixties, well-kept and nourished. As young Hitler noticed, he had the same family mark - a big nose. Adolf, having been encouraged, started to introduce himself. He spoke fluently and said what he wished: "Your Family, your Honorable Father, your Grandfather, they did so much good for my Old Master (Father), let God bless Him forever. His son, who is now completely alone in this world needs your help. I do not ask
for money. Help me to get into the Academy. You are so powerful." - The old Frankenberger put down his cigar and plodded across the parlor. "Listen, young friend," he started, "our side has paid for your father, that is true. But no one can say that the begetter came from our side. I am talking about my father. And who said that he was? About your grandmother, let us talk no more." He moved his hand through the air as the young Hitler stood there with his mouth open. "Listen," Frankenberger said again, "I am not a patron of art. I do not know anything about it. Wait" - he recalled something, "here in Vienna we have a kitchen for our old people. Do you want to do something there?" At this moment Hitler took his folder, bowed and left without a word.
Before 1933 much was written in the country, as well as abroad, about Hitler's probable Jewish origin, and his close connections with half-bred Jews of the opposite sex were a subject of fun and joyful criticism. However, after his assumption of power the country people became cautious and those abroad more distinguished. After 1945 the reeducators of the German people were not inclined to talk about Jews' participation in the Jewish misfortune.
For the destruction of Jews' existence - as it occurred in reality - it was difficult to find effective helpers who were not of Jewish origin. In the East three officials were at hand. They were partly Jewish, if not predominantly Jewish: Heydrich, Rosenburg and Frank


Reinhard Heydrich - one of The main supporters of fulfilling the "Work of Masters" . He was Jewish. Hitler most trustful Chief of Police, Reinhard Tristan Eugen Heydrich (Heydrich's father's name was Suess and SS-Chief Himmler claimed and delcared publicly that Suess had "overcome the Jew within himself"),(2) and sanctioned him to finally solve the Jewish question, for one should realize that only by the destruction of Jews an old dream of "creation of a home place for the Jewish nation" a few years later could come true. At the bier Hitler said: 'As the Leader of the Party and of the German Reich I will give you, my lovely friend Heydrich, the second German after me, the biggest honor I have to give you: the German Order of Highest Degree."
Since Heydrich's death, historical evidence has come to light that Heydrich may very well have had a Jewish grandparent and that this fact was known to high Nazi leaders including Hitler and Himmler. Under the Nuremberg Laws, Heydrich would have been classified as "a person of mixed Jewish blood in the second degree", meaning he had one pure German and one half Jewish parent. Heydrich would not have been subject to anti-Semitic laws, but would have been expelled from the SS as being non-Aryan.
The most compelling evidence of Heydrich's Jewish ancestry is the testimony of Walter Schellenberg who stated, in the 1950s, that Heinrich Himmler had held a private meeting with Heydrich in 1935, after learning that one of Heydrich's relatives had held the surname of named "Süss", a common Jewish name. According to Schellenberg, Heydrich admitted that one of his grandparents was Jewish and Himmler had reportedly informed Hitler. Hitler, however, stated Heydrich was special case since "his Aryan blood far suppressed his Jewish heritage". Shortly thereafter, Gestapo personnel were dispatched to Halle, where Heydrich had been born, to erase certain records of Heydrich's past. Rumors arose that this included the destruction of tombstones, but this is unconfirmed.
The accuracy of both Schellenberg's and Gercke's testimonies are today still debated amongst historians. Some works on Heydrich thus far have dispelled the story as a rumor.

Adolf Eichmann - full Jew . As the organizer of the Jewish emigration prior to the Second World War Eichmann traveled to the country which today is Israel. "The only reason for the name change to 'Eichmann' was to get away from the ancestors name and from the history of Jewish people", wrote researcher G. Kessler in Leipzig, 1935.
Because of his organizational talents and ideological reliability, Eichmann was charged by Obergruppenführer (General) Reinhard Heydrich with the task of facilitating and managing the logistics of mass deportation of Jews to ghettos .
Adolf Eichmann was a crypto-Jewish Zionist Nazi, who, together with other such Jews, attempted to force European Jewry to emigrate to Palestine against their will. According to Hennecke Kardel in his book Adolf Hitler: Begruender Israels, Eichmann was a full-blooded Jew. According to Eichmann himself, he was a radical Zionist.
Adolf Eichmann identified himself as a Zionist in 1939 in a conversation with Anny Stern,
"'Are you a Zionist?' Adolph Eichmann, Hitler's specialist on Jewish affairs, asker her. 'Jawohl,' she replied. 'Good,' he said, 'I am a Zionist, too. I want every Jew to leave for Palestine.'"—L. Dickstein, "Hell's Own Cookbook", The New York Times, Book Review Section, (17 November 1996), p. 7.
Nazi Zionist Adolf Eichmann stated in 1960,
"[H]ad I been a Jew, I would have been a fanatical Zionist. I could not imagine being anything else. In fact, I would have been the most ardent Zionist imaginable."—A. Eichmann, "Eichmann Tells His Own Damning Story", Life Magazine, Volume 49, Number 22, (28 November 1960), pp. 19-25, 101-112; at 22.
Adolf Eichmann stated,
"I issued the cloth [yellow cloth for the badges Jews were forced to wear] to my Jewish functionaries and they trotted off with them. [***] There was a Jewish lawyer in Vienna who said to me, 'Sir, I wear this star with pride.' This man impressed me. He was an idealist. So I let him emigrate soon afterward. [***] We even had some Jewish SS men who had taken part in the early struggles of the Nazis—about 50 of them in Germany and Austria. I remember giving my attention to a Jewish SS sergeant, a good man, who wanted to leave for Switzerland. I had instructed the border control to let him pass [***] He was a 100% Jew, a man of the most honorable outlook. [***] I am no anti-Semite. I was just politically opposed to Jews because they were stealing the breath of life from us. [***]
http://jewishracism.blogspot.com/200...to-jewish.html

Alfred Rosenberg. Hitlers chief ideologist was Rosenberg, who also descended from a Jewish immigrant to Sweden.(12), and became a member of aristocracy there, shouted with joy: "Bayreuth is the completion of the Aristocratic Myth. The essence of the whole art of the Occident has been revealed through Richard Wagner - the 'Northern Beauty', the 'Deepest Feeling of Nature', the 'Heroical Honor', and an 'Expression of Sincerity.

Born to ethnic German parents who had a Jewish ancestry, in Tallinn, Estonia, Rosenberg was a hard line Zionist from Russisa. Rosenberg was neurotically obsessed with super-natural conspiracies and dark, occult powers, he was one of the main disseminators of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. In 1930 Rosenberg was elected to the Reichstag as deputy for Hessen- Darmstadt and published his major work, Mythus der XX Jahrhunderts (The Myth of the Twentieth Century), which was second only to Hitler’s own work Mein Kampf as the bible of the Nazi movement. Though few could fully grasp the author’s style, it sold over half a million copies by the end of 1936, 680,000 copies by 1938 and it passed the million mark in 1942.

 Alfred Rosenberg had German, Estonian and Jewish ancestry, perhaps he was 1/32 jewish and 1/4 or 1/8 Estonian (estonians have Mongoloid [asiatic] haplogroups). Some researchers say his ancenstory was from Khazarian Jewish stock. Many Jewish hide their Jewishness for one reason or another. The name Rosenberg can be Jewish or German.



Wagner - The Opera was luring to Hilter. Wagner was his hero. After he read, what Wagner once confessed to Nietzsche, the philosopher, that "he really was a biological son of his stepfather, the Jewish actor Ludwig Geyer," he didn't miss any of his performances Wagner too, the maker of the Nordic Myths was a Jew! Hitler like Wagner, also had to FIGHT TO OVERCOME THE JEWISHNESS IN HIM. Thus the Wagner's grave and Bayreuth became to Hitler, the sites of pilgrimage.

Grill - In Schoenbrunner Park stood a bench, where Hitler hungry for air and sun usually withdrew to. It just happened that a man named Grill walked by, and glancing there at the bench saw lying around anti-Semitic fliers, mainly "Ostara" magazines. (Ostara is the name of the Virgin Goddess of Spring in ancient Germany , probably connected to Ishtar) After a short hesitation he sat down on
a clear spot and pulled out of his coat a reproduced writing saying: "Here, take this. It is a gift from me." Hitler took a look at him and then at the writing entitled: "Against the Church's Official Machinery." It turned out that Grill, with the help of his writings, was trying to promote among people a religion of real and pure love. When Hitler started talking about the Jews as "people's parasites", who always are against good intentions, they met themselves at the subject. In this way
the two zealots found each other. At last someone appeared who followed Hitler and who could be
challenged in a political discussion, and who would not submissively nod like Kubizek. Grill came to this spot and promoted his teaching about true love almost every day. Hitler agreed with him with one exception that the Jews should be left out. Grill was a drop-out priest, who had spent his youth in a Catholic Monastery, and his point of view on this matter was different from Hitler's. One day, when their discussion reached a zenith, Grill suddenly confessed: "I was born a Jew! My father was a Rabbi." Since then Hitler's bonds with these people became stronger and lasted for
years. Finally Hitler moved to a cabin in the Men's Hostel at the Meldemannstrasse where Grill made a living by addressing envelopes. From this traitor of Jewishness and of Catholic Church, Hitler could learn a lot. During long walks through the parks they exchanged opinions with each
other. Grill taught his new friend Yiddish, too. They also walked for hours through the inner city and districts North of the Danube Channel, where Jews were numerous and easy to observe. Among almost two million residents of Vienna, about 200,000 were Jews, that is, ten percent. They spent
many evenings and nights with Grill's friends - the Jewish Rabbis, and talked with them until their heads got hot.
Then Hitler want to visit the Holy Cross of the Cistercian Monastery in Wienerwald to get the address of Mr.Lanz, the publisher of "Ostara" magazines, i.e. to the Messenger of a New Racial Order. In 1899, out of this Monastery came Adolf Josef Lanz, also known as Brother Joerg. He united with a Jewess Liebenfels and since then called himself Dr.Georg Lanz von Liebenfels. Later on he rose his father Lanz, an upright Vienna teacher, to the nobility title of a Baron.
About his mother, born Hopfenreich (whose father was a Jew), he kept a conspicuous silence. Since 1905 he distributed "Ostara" magazines, which sometimes reached a circulation of 100,000.

Dr.Georg Lanz von Liebenfels – publisher of “Ostara”started by a half Jew named Adolf Joseph Lanz who married to Jewess Libenfels, changed his name to Dr. Georg Lanz von Liebenfels ... despite his radical views on race, was rejected by the Nazi when he applied for membership due to the fact that he was half-Jew. This magazine was an inspiration for Hitler.
The "Ostara" magazine printed on its front covers: "Are you blond? Are you male? If you do not know then read 'Ostara's' library about blond and legitimate males! Through OSTARA anti-semitisim started. In the "Ostara" magazines of 1908 and 1909 were given instructions on how to measure body parts, and from them one could find out whether one has some Nordic traits. Because of Lanz's medical achievements, men important in public life visited him frequently. To them, for instance, belonged a Swedish author August Strindberg and an English Lord, in rank a British Fieldmarshall, nobleman Herbert Kitchener, who assured him that he will "Keep the
stage racially clean, and will send the colored ruthlessly into the fire."
Lanz von Liebenfels established a (Thule) Order (Society), and with the money coming from various sources created Order-Castles. In 1907, above the Castle Werfenstein he hoisted up a swastika flag.
This is what Lanz von Liebenfels wrote to his brother Aemilius on February 22, 1932,One year before Hitler came to power: "Do you know that Hitler is our best student? You will see that he and through him we, too, will succeed and will stir up a movement, which will make the whole world shiver. Heil you!" Note that Liebenfels and Crowley were friends.

Moses Hess (1812-1875) Moses Hess was born in Bonn, Germany and died in Paris, France. He was practiced Orthodox Judaism but broke away and embraced the Kabbalah. In 1837, he anonymously published his first book, “The Holy History of Mankind,” which revealed his ideas on anarchic socialism. In 1841, he founded the radical newspaper, “Rheineische Zeitung.” In 1842 he promoted Karl Marx, a German Jew to chief editor. Hess introduced Marx to the Freemasons and to communism. In 1844, Hess introduced Marx to the German Jew Friedrich Engels. Moses Hess is considered the father of two political movements: communism and Zionism. He was buried in Cologne, Germany, but in 1961 his remains were re-buried in the graveyard of Kineret (Lake of Galilee, Israel) next to the graves of other founders of the modern Zionist socialist movement.
http://www.eaec.org/newsletters/2008...lem-digest.htm

Theodor Herzl - THE FATHER OF ZIONISM(1860-1904)
Theodor Herzl was born in Pest, Hungary and died in Vienna, Austria. Even though he graduated from law school in 1884, he became a writer involved with Zionism. He wrote books and various plays about the problems facing the society of his day. From 1891 to 1895, Herzl served as the Paris correspondent for the Vienna newspaper, “The Free Press,” an influential liberal Vienna daily newspaper.
As a successful play-write, Herzl was able to use his influence to promote the idea of an independent Palestinian state. With the rising of anti-Semitism in France, he began to write articles and plays promoting his ideas of how to solve the Jewish issues by having young Jews join the Socialistic movement en mass. He later took a hard stand that the only solution to establish a homeland for the Jewish people was a mass exodus of Jews from countries which were anti-Semitic. In 1895 he wrote a plan to relocate Jews to Palestine.  He looked for financial backing from the Rothschild’s when he presented his plan. Max Nordeau (1849-1923), a Hungarian Jew became a supporter of it.
In 1896, Herzl published a book called, “Der Judenstaat,” in which he outlined his plan to relocate the Jews to Palestine. The first step was to build a strong political base. The book stirred up emotions in the Jewish community worldwide. The Jewish communities in Western Europe rejected the proposal while the poorer Jewish communities in Eastern Europe and Russia embraced the idea of a Jewish homeland; the Zionist Movement was born with Theodor Herzl as the Father. Herzl knew that a gradual colonizing would only stimulate anti-Semitism, so he advocated a population transfer under international supervision. )MORE OF HIM LATER)
Very few leaders of the Zionistic movement were religious. Many of them didn’t believe in God nor had a regard for the Old Testament. Most of them were atheistic or agnostic and similar to secular Jews today. It was not Judaism, but anti-Semitism created by the Jewish leadership which antagonized the Gentiles that helped to create the political state of Israel. Herzl’s plan outlined two organizations that needed to be built before the transfers of Jews could start:
Theodor Herzl promised Christian governments good discounts on former Jewish holdings and had no mercy on Jews. They were to give up all their homes, savings, properties and business and move to Palestine and live in kibbutzim.
When Jewish people rejected the idea, Herzl warned them, “Great exertions will hardly be necessary to spur on the movement. Anti-Semites need only to do what they did before and then they will create a Jewish desire to emigrate where it did not previously exist.”
 At this time the system was in place to move Jews from Europe to Palestine.In order to get the Jews moving, Theodor Herzl become the “Shepherd” and Hitler was to became the “Prosecutor.”
ZIONIST SYMPATHIZERS
Various groups have worked separately with achieving the goals of Theodor Herzl: -
Anti-Jewish publication in Vienna called “Ostara” started by a half Jew named Adolf Joseph Lanz who married to Jewess Libenfels, changed his name to Dr. Georg Lanz von Liebenfels and later added the title Baron. The magazine was blatantly anti-Semitic and promoted the Roman Catholic Church and the pure Aryan race.
The very same magazine that Hitler was connected to. In 1909 Adolf Hitler (a half Jew) met with Lanz and became his student. Lanz told Lenin in Switzerland, “We counter-revolutionaries give Jews the right to create their own state in Palestine.”
http://www.eaec.org/newsletters/2008...lem-digest.htm

[Lord Sidious]

I already posted my thoughts on this concept.
Whether I am taken to be right or wrong is an individual thing.
I would suggest people make up their own minds on what they can find.

[karelia]

I've drawn some, if tentative conclusions from reading these posts, following links, and finding more links.

1. I'm beginning to think trying to figure out which one of the big fish of the Third Reich was jewish or not is quite futile. My grandfather was allegedly jewish, but that surely does not make me a zionist. Zionism is an ideology, and it's also a very hypocritical thing imo because the biggest fish amongst the zionists would never, ever consider moving to Israel, now, would they...

2. Hitler himself wasn't anywhere near as anti-semitic as TPTW make him, but he appeared to have a few big fish on his side who had no scruples wishing them dead in any which way. Himmler seemed to be a bit obsessed with that (and I haven't come across any others in detail).

3. It's all still a huge can of worms, but piecing together the truth, bit by bit, is a tremendously exciting project and also empowering in that I realise just how much programming I'm still having to rid myself off and that I can indeed succeed.

4. Once we know the entire truth about that, we'll probably find it a lot easier to piece together the entire truth about alien contact with the Third Reich and that hopefully not all of that knowledge fell into false hands.

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by karelia (here)
I've drawn some, if tentative conclusions from reading these posts, following links, and finding more links.

1. I'm beginning to think trying to figure out which one of the big fish of the Third Reich was jewish or not is quite futile. My grandfather was allegedly jewish, but that surely does not make me a zionist. Zionism is an ideology, and it's also a very hypocritical thing imo because the biggest fish amongst the zionists would never, ever consider moving to Israel, now, would they...

2. Hitler himself wasn't anywhere near as anti-semitic as TPTW make him, but he appeared to have a few big fish on his side who had no scruples wishing them dead in any which way. Himmler seemed to be a bit obsessed with that (and I haven't come across any others in detail).

3. It's all still a huge can of worms, but piecing together the truth, bit by bit, is a tremendously exciting project and also empowering in that I realise just how much programming I'm still having to rid myself off and that I can indeed succeed.

4. Once we know the entire truth about that, we'll probably find it a lot easier to piece together the entire truth about alien contact with the Third Reich and that hopefully not all of that knowledge fell into false hands.

Go and find the orders that Himmler gave to stop the deaths from typhus in the camps, in 1944 I believe, at all costs.
That may be an eyeopener for you.

[karelia]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
Go and find the orders that Himmler gave to stop the deaths from typhus in the camps, in 1944 I believe, at all costs.
That may be an eyeopener for you.

Gee, did you hear my gasp across the planet???

Here: http://fathersmanifesto.net/fields.htm

Heinrich Himmler, chief of the Concentration Camps issued orders on Dec. 28, 1942, that "The death rate in the concentration camps must be reduced at all costs." (Source, Reitlinger's book, "The Final Solution.") The camps had been hit with a deadly typhus epidemic that spread by fleas and body lice. Stomach pain, high fever, emaciation and death can quickly follow. All of the camps were factories and the loss of workers was hurting war production. Inspector of the camps, Richard Glucks responded to Himmler's order on Jan 20, 1943, "Every means will be used to lower the death rates." (Source, Nuremberg Tribunal Document No. 1523.) On April 10, 1943, Oswald Pohl, head of the Economic Administration Office of the camps issued a letter stating that persons with tuberculosis were being sent to the camps resulting in the "shockingly high mortality figures." (Source: Nuremberg Documents.) Later on Sept. 30, 1943, Pohl was able to show that the camp death rate had been reduced from 8.5% in July, 1942 to 2.8% in June 1943. The German SS arrested Buchenwald Commandant, Karl Koch in 1943 for mistreating and even executing some prisoners. After an investigation Koch was found guilty by SS Judge Konrad Morgen and shot. Does this sound like a policy of "extermination?" With suspicion rapidly rising about the holocaust claim a committee of Jewish leaders from New York and Paris met with communist leaders in Warsaw. There they established the "Committee for the Investigation of War Crimes and War Criminals". It was after this meeting that the announcement was made that all gas chambers were located in Poland.

Okay, that's one conclusion gone with the wind. Although, my gut feeling still tells me I may be into something there. It may be programming, though.

[Lord Sidious]

So what do you make of Reichsfuhrer SS Himmler telling them to stop the deaths, even as they say they were increasing them?
Someone has to be lying.

[karelia]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
So what do you make of Reichsfuhrer SS Himmler telling them to stop the deaths, even as they say they were increasing them?
Someone has to be lying.

Of course someone is lying; that is not a question.

What I make of it was that Himmler was more of a humanitarian than the PTW. Not that that means a lot, given the crimes on humanity they have committed and are still committing on a daily basis. Which leads me to believe that they were ticking on a different frequency, so to speak. The PTW seem to want and actively invite misery so they can feed of it. They would have done nothing to stop the typhoid and instead supplied a continuous stream of new labour to replace those who'd died. Himmler wanted a decent slave labour force so he would get things done.

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by karelia (here)

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
So what do you make of Reichsfuhrer SS Himmler telling them to stop the deaths, even as they say they were increasing them?
Someone has to be lying.

Of course someone is lying; that is not a question.

What I make of it was that Himmler was more of a humanitarian than the PTW. Not that that means a lot, given the crimes on humanity they have committed and are still committing on a daily basis. Which leads me to believe that they were ticking on a different frequency, so to speak. The PTW seem to want and actively invite misery so they can feed of it. They would have done nothing to stop the typhoid and instead supplied a continuous stream of new labour to replace those who'd died. Himmler wanted a decent slave labour force so he would get things done.

That is entirely possible, the SS did rent out the prisoners as labourers.
On the other hand, if a whole stack of them died, I think they knew they would be accused of genocide and other rubbish too.
6 of one and 1/2 dozen of the other.

[K626]

The Book to read is:

THE HOLOCAUST ON TRIAL by DD Guttenplan.

It has complete coverage of the David Irving trial in London and many fasicnating details.


K

[karelia]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
That is entirely possible, the SS did rent out the prisoners as labourers.
On the other hand, if a whole stack of them died, I think they knew they would be accused of genocide and other rubbish too.
6 of one and 1/2 dozen of the other.

They knew, yes, likely. That puts them way above the PTW, I think...

Found another interesting bit here: http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/eichmann.htm

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by karelia (here)

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
That is entirely possible, the SS did rent out the prisoners as labourers.
On the other hand, if a whole stack of them died, I think they knew they would be accused of genocide and other rubbish too.
6 of one and 1/2 dozen of the other.

They knew, yes, likely. That puts them way above the PTW, I think...

Found another interesting bit here: http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/eichmann.htm

That link seems to be accurate.
Thanks for that one.

[aikisaw]

Posted by karelia (here)

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
That is entirely possible, the SS did rent out the prisoners as labourers.
On the other hand, if a whole stack of them died, I think they knew they would be accused of genocide and other rubbish too.
6 of one and 1/2 dozen of the other.

They knew, yes, likely. That puts them way above the PTW, I think...

Found another interesting bit here: http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/eichmann.htm

I liked the web site you linked. I saw this there.

It is this non-stop brainwashing which has enabled the Jewish Lobby in Washington to extract multi-billions out of government in foreign aid. It is the excuse for all of their attacks upon the Palestinians. In other words: the holocaust gives the Jews immunity from criticism, redardless of the atrocities committed by their military and professional assassins - the MOSSAD secret police!

[karelia]

Posted by aikisaw (here)
I liked the web site you linked. I saw this there.

It is this non-stop brainwashing which has enabled the Jewish Lobby in Washington to extract multi-billions out of government in foreign aid. It is the excuse for all of their attacks upon the Palestinians. In other words: the holocaust gives the Jews immunity from criticism, redardless of the atrocities committed by their military and professional assassins - the MOSSAD secret police!

Collecting these kinds of links are important, I think, because depending on the keywords used, quite a lot of tripe appears, too.

[loveandgratitude]

WHO WAS WHO IN WORLD WAR 2
I feel that it is important to look at how many jews had influcence/friends or were part of Hilters support. If we can understand this, then we can move on to why would Jews be killing Jews? When we get to this point, I feel many doors will open as to what is happening today under our very noses. Really the same senario. The importance from learning from history so history does not repeat itself. I don’t know where history is going to go but, I do know where we have already been. The same people play the same game over and over again and they get really good at it.
For those of us that know the truth of the evils that the elite and wealthy ones do to their fellow human beings, that we are constantly lied to and how they get away with what they do, maybe we need to look deeply into history.
Firstly, I have found a copy of – BEFORE HITLER CAME - http://www.scribd.com/doc/18941614/B...ranslation1975

Following along the path of information in Kardell's book – Kardell states -

A very special influence over the twenty year old Hitler had two outstanding (Jewish) adversaries, the Ritter (Knight) von Schoenerer and his follower, lawyer Dr.Lueger, who became Mayor of Vienna. Hitler devoured their writings and manifestations like he did with the "Ostara" magazines.
The difference between Schoenerer with his "All German Union", borrowed from Caesar, and the", was what Schoenerer asserted: "A Jew stays a Jew" to which Lueger counter-argued: "Christ is a baptized Jew." At that time Hitler was distributing flyers for Lueger.
There was no difference of opinion between these two leading Austrian antagonists as to selection of Jews or half-Jews for their closest cooperatives. For Schoenerer first in line was Galician author Karl Emil Franzos. For the latter would be a Social Democrat Viktor Adler, co-author of the Linz's "Great-German Program": "One People, One Empire!" Next was Heinrich Fnedjung from Maehren, also a Jew. Lueger's representative was Vienna's Second Mayor, half- Jew Porzer. The famous saying: "I will determine who is a Jew" came from Dr.Lueger. From their work, years before establishment of the N.S.D.A.P. of Munich, originated the National Socialist German Worker's Party N.S.D.A.P.) of Sudeten. Karl Wolff, previously a Parliamentarian for Schoenerer was the Party's establisher.
However, Schoenerer was thinking in terms of race but was not a socialist. Lueger was a socialist and therefore anti- Jewish, but not a racist. That's how the two men parted. From one man Hitler took the concept of race, from the other of socialism.
In Hitler's eyes Dr. Lueger was the "most powerful German Mayor of all times," and also in 1945 the newly emerged Socialists of Vienna associated this Jewish opponent with themselves: "Everything that was created at that time, bore Lueger's personal note; had originated out of his own initiative, or were decreed by him. Dr. Lueger became the man who paved the way for the Communal Socialism which, as an outcome of the productive strength of the Socialist Workers' Party of Vienna, was supposedly to fruit ten years after Lueger's death." Young Hitler was not all right with the Socialist Workers' Party of Vienna.


So lets look at who these people were - .

Ritter (Knight) von Schoenerer - Part/Jew on his mothers side, Kohen. “Schönerer developed a political philosophy that featured elements of violent antisemitism, anti-Slavism, anti-Catholicism, authoritarianism, popular solidarism, nationalism, and pan-Germanism, themes which appealed to many lower class Viennese. '
In 1888, Schönerer was temporarily imprisoned for ransacking a Jewish-owned newspaper office and assaulting its employees. This action increased Schönerer’s popularity and helped members of his party get elected to the Austrian Parliament. The prison sentence also resulted in the loss of his status as an Austrian noble.

Schönerer was reelected to the Reichsrat in 1897, and later that same year helped orchestrate the expulsion of Prime Minister Kasimir Felix Graf Badeni from office. Count Badeni had proclaimed that all civil servants in Austrian-controlled Bohemia would have to know the Czech language, an ordinance which prevented many ethnic German-speakers in Bohemia (the majority of whom could not speak Czech) from applying for governmental jobs.

Schönerer staged mass protests against the ordinance and disrupted parliamentary proceedings; actions which eventually caused Emperor Franz Joseph to dismiss Badeni. Schönerer became even more powerful in 1901, when 21 members of his party gained seats in the Austrian Parliament.

Dr. Karl Lueger - Vienna's elected Mayor,, with his "Christian-Social Party. I cannot find anything to suggest that he was a jew. In 1872, having decided upon a political career, he joined an independent Liberal political organization, the Citizens' Club of the Landstrasse, one of the districts, or wards, of Vienna. Liberalism, which had guided Austria from aristocracy to democracy in government, was at this period the one political creed the profession of which offered any prospect of success in practical politics. But Liberalism had come to mean economic advancement for the capitalist at the cost of the small tradesman, the capitalist being usually a Jew. The result was an appalling material moral degradation and a regime of political corruption focussed at Vienna, which city in the seventies of the last century was the most backward capital in Europe, enormously overtaxed, and with a population sunk in a lazy indifference, political, economic, and religious. The Jewish Liberalism ruled supreme in city and country public opinion was moulded by a press almost entirely Jewish and anti-clerical; Catholic dogmas and practices were ridiculed; priests and religious insulted in the streets. In 1875 Lueger was elected to the Vienna city council for one year. Reelected in 1876 for a full term of three years, he resigned his seat in consequence of the exposure of corruption in the city administration. Having now become the leader of the anti-corruptionist movement, he was again elected councillor in 1878 as an independent candidate, and threw himself heart and soul into the battle for purity in the municipal government.


Heinrich Fnedjung from Maehren, was a Jew -as an Austrian historian and journalist.
Friedjung was born in Roschtin (Czech: Roštín), Moravia (then, Austrian Empire; today, Czech Republic). The son of a Jewish family grew up in Vienna, and studied history in Prague and Berlin under Theodor Mommsen and Leopold von Ranke. He taught history and German language at the Commercial Academy (Handelsakademie) in Vienna from 1873 to 1879; he was then fired for criticizing the government.
It is ironical that out of these three German nationalists two--Adler and Friedjung--were Jews, par- ticularly ironical in Friedjung's case because he laid such emphasis on his being a German. Friedjung had no desire for the Jews to continue as a separate people; he believed that they should be absorbed into the nationalities among whom they lived. But Friedjung's race did in fact influence and warp his political career, for it made him overrate the easewith which the Germans could dominate and control the other races of the Empire. Friedjung regarded himself as a German, but he was only a German by adoption: he had become a German, because he valued German culture, and the process was no less deliberate for being subconscious. He therefore tended to expect a similar subconscious recognition of German superiority from the other races and he could not understand the reluctance of the Czechs, the Slovaks, or the Croats to follow his example.


Viktor Adler was a Jew. subsequently the founder of the Austrian Social Democratic party Austrian socialist politician and journalist, founder and leader of the Austrian Social Democratic party. Initially a German nationalist, he became a Socialist after meeting Engels and Bebel in Germany and Switzerland. He published Arbeiter Zeitung, the main socialist organ, and founded the Austrian Social Democratic party, advocating federalism and autonomy for peoples of the Austro-Hungarian empire. He entered parliament in 1905 as a spokesman for universal suffrage. His goal of a unified Austro-Hungarian party was frustrated when Czech Social Democrats broke away. It was from Adler's Social Democrats that Hitler claimed he learned the most about mass organization and psychology. He was also one of the first members of the group to join the Academic Wagner Society (in 1876, one year after the Society's founding) and to make a pilgrimage to Bayreuth. He was among the members of the Circle who signed a letter to Nietzsche indicating their goal to promote and follow the vision described in his Birth of Tragedy.
He, along with Pernerstorfer and Friedjung, were central in the development of the Linz Program and the deutschnational movement. At the same time, his work as a doctor in meeting the medical needs of the poor informed his vision of social reform. While involved in the deutschnational movement, he began making contact with socialist thinkers and leaders, many engaged in a highly nationalistic brand of Marxism.

Neumann
Neumann, a Jew from Hungary, who was more able to bargain, became Hitler's new paintings' salesman. It was the same Jew who gave him the frock coat which made Hitler look like an eastern Jew. . Purchasers of paintings were mostly Jewish, as for example the Hungarian-Jew Retschay, a main engineer; the Vienna lawyer Dr. Josef Feingold, and the picture frame merchant Morgenstern.

In the 1930s a Vienna art dealer who learned that Hanisch had known Hitler, persuaded him to write this memoir, which was subsequently published in the US. Hanisch, who returned to Germany, was captured and killed in the Buchenwald concentration camp.
http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/...tlersBuddy.htm

In his memoirs of – “Hitler was my buddy: Hanisch ( who was later place on a concentrations camp for this story, even though he was not a Jew) stated -In those days Hitler was by no means a Jew Hater. He became one afterward. Hitler had helpful advisers who were Jews. There was a one-eyed locksmith called Robinson who often assisted him, since he was a beneficiary of an accident-insurance annuity and was able to spare a few pennies. And in the Naennerheim Hitler often found Jews who listened to his political debate. Neumann had another Jewish friend who peddled old clothes and often gave Hitler clothes to wear. He was a good hearted man who liked Hitler and Hitler held him in high esteem. At the time Theodor Herzl and the Zionist question were very much discussed. Hitler and Neumann had long debates about Zionism. In 1910 Neumann went to Germany but Hitler did not want to come. Hitler stayed in Vienna and sold his watercolors almost solely to all Jewish Dealers. He sold to Jacob Altenberg, Landsberger, Morgenstern. Hitler often said that it was only with the Jews that one could do business, because only they were willing to take chances. They are really the most efficient businessmen. Hitler also appreciated the charitable spirit of the Jews. At the time Hitler looked very Jewish, so I often joked with him that he must be of Jewish blood, since such a large beard rarely grows on a Christians chin. He also had big feet, like a wanderers. Hitler himself often remarked that descendants of Jews are very radical and have Terroristic inclinations. He said that for a Jew to take advantage, to a certain extent, of a non-Jew, was not punishable due to a law in the Torah. (Interesting that he would know the laws of the Torah).

[Icecold]

Before the contoversy which exploded around David Irving....

When I was at university in my years in a history and politics department, my supervisor at the time, a published historical author of WW2, invited David Irving to give a lecture at our university.
This was just before the controversy. The **** hit the fan for my supervisor and he was subjected to a mild inquisition. Its funny that at some time later, another Jewish supervisor of mine, had no anti-nazi feelings whatsoever and would often comment that his Jewish father was an admirer of Hitler. His father lived in N. USA somewhere in a forest and emulated Hitler's life to a certain extent, even down to owning German Shepherds.

There is strong evidence that David Irving was correct on many points he made regarding myths of the holocaust. A great pity that hysteria wins over truth everytime. Also can bury truth and make it a taboo.

[karelia]

So, I got ever so slightly sidetracked and started watching a video about the rumours of UFOs built by the Third Reich. (For any German speakers, it's here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...0740694543202# )

Essentially, the video confirms the findings of Jan van Helsing/Udo Holey he shared in his book (banned in Germany), Secret Societies of the 20th Century, and the German scientists' conclusions on implosion vs explosion on which much of their research was based.

About 45 minutes in, the narrator describes George Adamski's findings, showing images, which showed a stunning similarity to the swastika, which Adamski of course couldn't write, then sort of casually mentions that Adamski's co-author, Desmond Leslie, is a relative of Winston Churchill. Am I detecting a trend here?

[karelia]

Posted by Icecold (here)
Before the contoversy which exploded around David Irving....

When I was at university in my years in a history and politics department, my supervisor at the time, a published historical author of WW2, invited David Irving to give a lecture at our university.
This was just before the controversy. The **** hit the fan for my supervisor and he was subjected to a mild inquisition. Its funny that at some time later, another Jewish supervisor of mine, had no anti-nazi feelings whatsoever and would often comment that his Jewish father was an admirer of Hitler. His father lived in N. USA somewhere in a forest and emulated Hitler's life to a certain extent, even down to owning German Shepherds.

There is strong evidence that David Irving was correct on many points he made regarding myths of the holocaust. A great pity that hysteria wins over truth everytime. Also can bury truth and make it a taboo.

I read several sources that mentioned Irving as one of the most respected historians. It's sort of the same principle applied to Wakefield, who is being destroyed because he found a link between a vaccine and autism and won't be corrupted into shutting up. Irving's stuff is on my to-read list because everything I read about him tells me he is a very thorough scholar.

As to jewish people not being anti... I visited Israel and traveled the country. I was stunned how friendly the older, German-born people were towards German tourists. I lived in London at the time and knew several other Germans who were scared of going to Golders Green (which was, at the time, predominantly jewish) because they had been called names.

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by Icecold (here)
Before the contoversy which exploded around David Irving....

When I was at university in my years in a history and politics department, my supervisor at the time, a published historical author of WW2, invited David Irving to give a lecture at our university.
This was just before the controversy. The **** hit the fan for my supervisor and he was subjected to a mild inquisition. Its funny that at some time later, another Jewish supervisor of mine, had no anti-nazi feelings whatsoever and would often comment that his Jewish father was an admirer of Hitler. His father lived in N. USA somewhere in a forest and emulated Hitler's life to a certain extent, even down to owning German Shepherds.

There is strong evidence that David Irving was correct on many points he made regarding myths of the holocaust. A great pity that hysteria wins over truth everytime. Also can bury truth and make it a taboo.

Regardless of whatever anyone says about Irving, remember these two things, he was the first to say the Hitler diaries were fakes and this is the guy that found the Auschwitz books in the KGB archives.

Posted by karelia (here)
So, I got ever so slightly sidetracked and started watching a video about the rumours of UFOs built by the Third Reich. (For any German speakers, it's here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...0740694543202# )

Essentially, the video confirms the findings of Jan van Helsing/Udo Holey he shared in his book (banned in Germany), Secret Societies of the 20th Century, and the German scientists' conclusions on implosion vs explosion on which much of their research was based.

About 45 minutes in, the narrator describes George Adamski's findings, showing images, which showed a stunning similarity to the swastika, which Adamski of course couldn't write, then sort of casually mentions that Adamski's co-author, Desmond Leslie, is a relative of Winston Churchill. Am I detecting a trend here?

Some of the first ufos seen after the wars end certainly match the description of a Hanebu.

[karelia]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
Some of the first ufos seen after the wars end certainly match the description of a Hanebu.

Yeah, I came to the same conclusion... I've had some thoughts... If some of them did go to Antarctica (inner earth, anyone?), which kinda would make sense considering that most of the alleged sightings of Hitler et al were in Chile and Argentinia (yes, I do realise they may just have found shelter in either of those countries) and given Neuschwabenland, would the inner earth be in another dimension and they're able to move in and out of it as needed? van Helsing doesn't dismiss the idea that some Third Reich scientists had actual contact with ETs, and he surely did his homework. If they entered or spend time in a different dimension, they understand time. They could strike the PTW, but they're waiting for the right moment? From all the research I've done, one thing I've learned beyond the shadow of a doubt: the PTW hate the Germans more than they hate anyone else. And from what I've read over the past few weeks, the Third Reich certainly wasn't run by a bunch of hate-mongerers. Could it be that they're waiting for the moment when they know for sure they can take back their country?

I know. Wild thoughts. But really?

Does anyone remember the alleged account of a German speaker coming from below the earth that was posted to Project Camelot a few years ago? I had a strange feeling about it when I read it. It kind of had the gang's signature all over it.

[Lord Sidious]

I would say to you that some of the major players in restoring the Reich are indeed in Germany, even as you read these words.
I think that the time isn’t right for what they wish to do yet, the Germans themselves are still mentally shackled with political correctness and other Marxist ideologies.

They say that three of the allied nations detonated atomic bombs over Neuschwabenland in the 50’s.
I am not sure what they thought that would achieve, if the Germans invented the atomic bomb, which is another story we will get to, they would know about EMP.

One thing that I am still working on getting to the bottom of is one of your premises, they hate the Germans and everything about them.
I don’t know why.
Yet.