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    Quote Posted by Bruce G Charlton (here)
    But those who believe Russia will eventually go to war with NATO have an agenda of destruction. Ultimately, they wish to destroy all that is good; but en route they wish to destroy The West, and this is why they are engineering The West into a war, without making any significant preparations for fighting that war - they want NATO to lose.
    I agree ... but I also believe that there is a powerful force for good, a more powerful force, that seems to be manifesting in our present lifetime and that will prevail in the hearts, the minds and the spirits of those who choose to be so guided.
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    • Piers Morgan HUMILIATED By John Mearsheimer For Being Duped By American Propaganda:

    00:00 Intro
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    02:08 What is political realism?
    3:37 The necessary balance of world powers
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    5:56 Can you be a neo-con and realist?
    6:10 neocons and neoliberals are basically the same

    Katie plays a clip of John Mearsheimer challenging Piers Morgan for believing that America should be the world police and is motivated primarily by a commitment to democracy and freedom. Then Professor Mearsheimer tells Katie what really motivates the United States, explains political realism, shares his thoughts on Henry Kissinger and says “there’s not a lot of difference between” neocons and neoliberals.

    John Mearsheimer is the R. Wendell Harrison Distinguished Service Professor in the Political Science Department at the University of Chicago and the author of "Why Leaders Lie: The Truth About Lying in International Politics," "The Great Delusion: Liberal Dreams and International Realities," and co-author of the controversial and ground-breaking "The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy."
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    During a summit on Ukraine, Finland's president complained that Russia had 'invaded' his country during the Second World War and taken 10 per cent of its territory.

    Just to remind you, Finland was Hitler's ally in the Second World War, and Russia returned the previously seized territories.

    Russia occupied big part of Karelia and i dont think they gave anything back. And that happened before Hitler and Stalin went to war with each other and were pretty much allies during first soviet invasion to Finland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karelia
    Stalin wanted to take over whole Finland and install a puppet government in there.
    British and allies were helping Stalin to destroy Finland . What other allies were left for them to fight off extermination ?
    Many scandinavians and Estonians helped Finland to fight off the soviet invasion not because they were big fans of fascism or national socialism and wanted to spread it to others in a non-peaceful way but because Stalin was worse than Hitler.
    Also Estonians had a defensive pact with Finland .Thats why many fins later went to Estonia to help fight Stalin.

    Germans helped private business and private households prosper while under Stalin you were put to massgrave or gulag for having such things. For which side you would fight ?
    Sadly too many still believe the zionist version of history that allies were the good guys...
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    Independent Finland only exist since 1917(1806 as part of the Russian Empire, before that it was just a Provence of Sweden and after that of Russia), it fought two wars against the Soviet union, one in 1939, the other one with Finland as ally of Nazi Germany.


    🇫🇮🇷🇺‼️ LMAO: “Since the 1300s we have had over 30 wars and battles with Russia.“

    -> The Finnish president forgets that Finnland DID NOT EXIST during that time, it was part of Sweden and in 1808 Russia conquered that region from Sweden.

    RUSSIA DID NOT FOUGHT FINNLAND, BUT SWEDEN YOU GENIUS.

    Like Ukraine they’re not known for fighting and winning their sovereignty, but are mostly other countries “regions”.

    The wars against the Soviet Union they lost, but are still proud about that.

    The thing that saved from being annexed after WW2 was the neutrality. They completely forgot history.

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    This is tragic news. I knew this young man, he was an excellent journalist and a very kind, humble, intelligent person, and also helpful to me, sharing his knowledge & helping with translation. 😢 In October 2022, we shared a trip to Gorlovka and villages nearby, & also to a Donetsk outpost 70 meters from Ukrainian forces in Avdeevka. I'm very sorry to learn of his passing.

    "Today, while fulfilling his journalistic duty, in the village of Nikolskoye in the DPR, correspondent Nikita Tsitsagi died. We offer our condolences to Nikita's family and colleagues."
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    I’m deeply saddened to hear of the death of Russian journalist, Nikita Tsitsagi. He was such a lovely guy. We went to the frontline together. Drank coffee in Donetsk cafes together. “I don’t smoke in moscow. But I smoke in Donetsk,” he said. Such is the stress. But Jesus he was so chill really. Last time I saw him, we talked movies. He would watch movies in the evening while in Donetsk. While the bombs fell almost everyday. I could never do that. Constantly on edge.

    A very brave, artistic and dedicated man. And he was no Russian ‘propagandist.’ He told me he went to donbass because he wanted to find out for himself. He was a kind and honest guy. Doing his job. Telling the story of war. And so young. Jesus. I’m so sorry Nikita.

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    ‼️🇬🇧🇷🇺 Russian nuclear submarine "Arkhangelsk" scares the West: it could pose a serious threat to NATO - Express

    ▪️According to the publication, it may pose the greatest danger to military bases of the North Atlantic Alliance, naval convoys and coastal infrastructure.
    ➖ “There is a fear that Western adversaries may not detect a Russian submarine equipped with cruise missiles,” journalists write.
    ▪️They also noted that Arkhangelsk will significantly strengthen the Russian Navy with its invulnerable nuclear missiles capable of reaching speeds of up to 6,670 mph (10,700 km/h).
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    -> The Finnish president forgets that Finnland DID NOT EXIST during that time, it was part of Sweden and in 1808 Russia conquered that region from Sweden.

    RUSSIA DID NOT FOUGHT FINNLAND, BUT SWEDEN YOU GENIUS.
    There is a difference between not being a sovereign nation, and not existing (just ask any good Texan ).

    According to Wikipedia, which I don't always trust, but which might be close enough here:

    Quote Finland was first settled around 9000 BC after the last Ice Age.

    From the late 13th century, Finland became part of the Swedish Empire as a result of the Northern Crusades. In 1809, as a result of the Finnish War, Finland was captured from Sweden ...

    Following the Russian Revolution of 1917, Finland declared its full independence.
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    G7 and the decline of empire
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    00:00 G7 meetings are now seen as meaningless and empty rituals.
    02:36 BRICS emerging as major nonwestern trading group
    05:53 Putin advocates for a new security architecture in Eurasia
    08:25 G7 meetings are becoming meaningless rituals as empires decline.
    11:10 G7 meetings have become empty rituals disconnected from real problems
    13:42 Putin's tough terms for negotiating an end to the conflict in Ukraine
    16:13 Proposal against core interests of Western Powers
    18:46 Western leaders' resistance sign Ukraine's death warrant
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    https://x.com/tassagency_en/status/1802128194633691618



    https://tass.com/world/1804049

    MOSCOW, June 16. /TASS/. The peace initiative of Russian President Vladimir Putin is the last chance to preserve the Ukrainian state, Viktor Medvedchuk, the former leader of the Opposition Platform-For Life party now banned in Ukraine, told TASS in an interview.

    "The new peace initiative of Vladimir Putin is the last chance to preserve the Ukrainian state. Ukraine at present with its illegitimate president, the regime adversary to the people, legal nihilism and the Nazi state ideology cannot be considered to be the state anymore," the politician said. "Vladimir Putin suggests returning the state to Ukrainians, making it neutral, sovereign, demilitarized and denazified," Medvedchuk said.

    "The peace proposals returns not only the peace to Ukraine but also rights of Ukrainian citizens criminally overturned by the regime of [Vladimir] Zelensky," he stressed.

    Ukraine at present "cannot exist without huge external borrowings. This is actually a bankrupt country, a black hole for the Western economy," Medvedchuk noted. "This is a concentration camp for the Ukrainian people, with everyone wanting to flee except the gang that is criminally reigning," he added.

    On June 14, Russian President Vladimir Putin named conditions for settlement of the situation in Ukraine, including withdrawal of the Ukrainian army from Donbass and Novorossiya and refusal of Kiev to join NATO.
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    https://x.com/tassagency_en/status/1802205293079650585



    https://tass.com/politics/1804061



    About 20 NATO countries involved in conflict in Ukraine — lawmaker


    "I believe they are in a state of war with Russia," Sergey Tsekov said


    ROSTOV-ON-DON, June 16. /TASS/. About twenty NATO member-countries are involved in the conflict in Ukraine, member of the Russian Federation Council, the upper house of the Russian legislative assembly, Sergey Tsekov told TASS.

    "In actual fact about twenty countries are at war with Russia, the ones being NATO members, supporting Ukraine, and supplying weapons. I believe they are in a state of war with Russia," Tsekov said.

    On June 15, French President Emmanuel Macron said that not a single country attending the conference on Ukraine in Swiss Burgenstock is at war with Russia.
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    https://tass.com/defense/1804183?utm...m_social_share

    Russia to continue establishing buffer zone until Ukraine stops shelling attacks — Kremlin

    Russian President Vladimir Putin said earlier in the day that Russia offers a new peace proposal on settling the conflict in Ukraine
    MOSCOW, June 16. /TASS/. Russia will continue efforts to establish a sanitary zone until it guarantees the protection of its territory from Ukrainian shelling attacks, Russian presidential press secretary Dmitry Peskov said.

    "Efforts are being made to establish a buffer, or sanitary, zone in the Kharkov Region. These efforts continue," he said in an interview with the Moscow.Kremlin.Putin program on the Rossitya-1 television channel. "Naturally, these efforts will continue until we secure Shebekino, the Belgorod Region, other our regions against such barbaric shelling attacks."

    Russian President Vladimir Putin said earlier in the day that Russia offers a new peace proposal on settling the conflict in Ukraine. Thus, Russia insists that the status of Crimea, the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics, as well as the Kherson and Zaporozhye Regions be recognized, Ukraine declare its off-bloc and non-nuclear status, and anti-Russian sanctions be lifted. Apart from that, Ukraine is supposed to withdraw its troops from the Donbass republics and the Kherson and Zaporozhye Region before peace talks begin.
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    WESTERN TAXPAYERS FOOT THE BILL FOR USELESS UKRAINE ‘PEACE’ SUMMIT WITHOUT RUSSIA🇷🇺

    Lieutenant Colonel (retired) JS Sodhi, an Indian Army veteran and a strategic affairs expert, to Sputnik India:

    The Swiss summit on Ukraine had always been a useless idea with little utility. Unfortunately, the millions of dollars in holding the Summit has been borne by the Western taxpayer.

    🇮🇳 India and other #BRICS nations are very right in refusing to endorse the final outcome of the so-called Peace on Summit in Ukraine. It is for the simple and basic reason that another party to the conflict, that is Russia, hasn't been invited to the talks.

    India's position right from the beginning has been consistent that war couldn't be a solution in the modern era. #India has always advocated for dialogue and diplomacy, whereas the West has adopted a totally 180-degree reasoning.

    🤷🏻‍♂️ The Swiss summit had always been a useless idea with little utility. Unfortunately, the millions of dollars in holding the Summit has been borne by the Western taxpayer.

    The #Zelensky regime, backed by the US, isn't sincere in its intention to resolve the conflict.

    All it would need is a green signal by the US to Zelensky, asking him to enter into negotiations with Russia, for the conflict to end.

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    https://tass.com/defense/1804131?utm...m_social_share

    Battlegroup Center improves tactical position in 24 hours — Russian Defense Ministry

    "Four counterattacks by assault groups of the 23rd, 110th mechanized and 68th ranger brigades of the Ukrainian armed forces were repelled," the ministry added


    MOSCOW, June 16. /TASS/. Over the past 24 hours, units of Russia’s Battlegroup Center have improved their tactical position and defeated formations of three brigades of the Ukrainian armed forces, the Russian Defense Ministry reported.

    "Units of Battlegroup Center improved the tactical position and also defeated the formations of the 144th Infantry, 25th Airborne, 24th, 47th Mechanized Brigades of the Ukrainian armed forces in the areas of the settlements of Vozdvizhenka, Novgorodskoye, Novoaleksandrovka, Novopokrovskoye, Karlovka, Novoselovka Pervaya, Sokol and Kamyshevka of the Donetsk People’s Republic," the ministry said.

    "Four counterattacks by assault groups of the 23rd, 110th mechanized and 68th ranger brigades of the Ukrainian armed forces were repelled," the ministry added.

    Battlegroup North repel 3 counterattacks of Ukrainian army per day

    Battlegroup North repelled three counterattacks of the Ukrainian armed forces and defeated two enemy brigades, the Ukrainian army lost up to 265 military personnel, 2 tanks and several units of field artillery over 24 hours day, the Russian Defense Ministry reported.

    "Units of the Battlegroup North improved the situation along the front line and defeated the manpower and equipment of the 71st Infantry Brigade of the Ukrainian armed forces and the 125th Defense Brigade in the areas of the settlements of Volchansk, Sinelnikovo and Volchansky farms in the Kharkov region. During the day three assault counterattacks by groups of the 36th Marine Brigade and the 13th National Guard Brigade were repelled, enemy losses amounted to up to 265 military personnel, two tanks, three vehicles, a US-made 155-mm M198 howitzer, a 122-mm D-30 howitzer, as well as the Bukovel AD electronic warfare system. In addition, three ammunition depots were destroyed," the ministry said.

    Battlegroup South defeats 3 brigades of Ukrainian Army, destroy Leopard tank in 24 hours

    Russia’s Battlegroup South repelled four counterattacks of the Ukrainian armed forces and defeated three enemy brigades, in 24 hours the Ukrainian army lost up to 380 soldiers and a Leopard tank, the Russian Defense Ministry reported.

    "Units of the Battlegroup South improved the situation along the front line, defeated the manpower and equipment of the 22nd, 54th mechanized and 46th airmobile brigades of the Ukrainian armed forces in the areas of the settlements of Ulakly, Belaya Gora, Orekhovo-Vasilevka, Grigorovka, Chasov Yar, Andreyevka, Kurdyumovka and Kurakhovo of the Donetsk People’s Republic. During the day, four counterattacks by formations of the 33rd, 41st mechanized brigades of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and the 114th defense brigade were repelled," the ministry noted.

    According to the Russian Defense Ministry, the enemy lost up to 380 military personnel, a Leopard tank made in Germany, two Kozak armored fighting vehicles, 15 vehicles, two 152-mm D-20 howitzers, a 152-mm 2A65 Msta-B howitzer and two 105-mm M119 guns made in the USA.

    Ukrainian army lost up to 500 troops per day in zone of Russia’s battlegroup West

    Russia’s Battlegroup West defeated formations of the Ukrainian armed forces, including forces of Azov (banned in Russia) and the Ukrainian Guard, in 24 hours the enemy losses in the area of responsibility of the battlegroup totaled 500 military personnel, the Russian Defense Ministry reported.

    "Units of the Battlegroup West took more advantageous positions and defeated the formations of the 14th, 63rd mechanized, 77th airmobile brigades of the Ukrainian armed forces, the 12th special forces brigade "Azov", as well as the 40th and 50th regiments of the National Guard in the areas of the settlements Sinkovka, Petropavlovka, Boguslavka of the Kharkov region, Torskoye of the Donetsk People's Republic and Chervonaya Dibrova of the Lugansk People's Republic. The Ukrainian armed forces lost up to 500 military personnel, two armored combat vehicles, nine cars, a 122-mm D-30 howitzer and three Nota electronic warfare systems in one day," the ministry reported.

    Ukrainian army lost up to 135 servicemen in area of Russia’s Battlegroup East

    The Ukrainian armed forces lost up to 135 servicemen in the area of responsibility of Russia’s Battlegroup East over the past day, the Russian Defense Ministry reported.

    "The Ukrainian armed forces lost up to 135 military personnel, an armored combat vehicle, four vehicles, a 155 mm AS-90 "Braveheart self-propelled artillery mount and a 155 mm FH-70 howitzer made in the UK, as well as two Bukovel-AD electronic warfare systems," the statement says.

    During the day, Russian air defense systems shot down ten Ukrainian drones in the special operation zone, the ministry added.

    "Ten Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles were shot down by air defense systems," the ministry reported.

    Battlegroup East defeats manpower and equipment of 3 Ukrainian brigades over past day

    Units of the Battlegroup East of the Russian armed forces defeated the manpower and equipment of three Ukrainian brigades in past 24 hours, Russian Defense Ministry reported.

    "The manpower and equipment of the 58th motorized infantry brigade of the Ukrainian armed forces, the 123rd technical defense brigade and the 15th brigade of the National Guard were defeated in the areas of the settlements of Novoselkovka, the Zaporozhye region, Urozhaynoye and Vladimirovka, People’s Republic of Donetsk," the statement says.

    Battlegroup Dnepr defeats manpower and equipment of 3 brigades of Ukrainian army

    Over the past 24 hours, units of Russia’s Battlegroup Dnepr have defeated the manpower and equipment of three brigades of the Ukrainian armed forces, the Russian Defense Ministry reported.

    "Units of the Battlegroup Dnepr defeated the manpower and equipment of the formations of the 23rd brigade of the National Guard, the 103rd and 121st military defense brigades in the areas of the settlements of Vysshetarasovka, Pokrovskoye, Nikopol in the Dnepropetrovsk region and Osokorovka in the Kherson region," the ministry said.

    It is noted that over the past 24 hours, the Ukrainian army lost to up to 90 military personnel, 2 vehicles, a Polish-made 155-mm Krab self-propelled artillery mount, a 152-mm D-20 gun, 2 122-mm D-30 howitzers and an 85-mm D-44 cannon.

    Ukrainian army lost up to 375 servicemen in area of responsibility Battlegroup Center

    Losses of the Ukrainian armed forces in the area of responsibility of Russia’s Battlegroup Center amounted to 375 military personnel over the past day, the Russian Defense Ministry reported.

    "Enemy losses amounted to up to 375 military personnel, two infantry fighting vehicles, two US-made Humvee and MaxxPro armored combat vehicles, two cars, a US-made 155 mm M777 howitzer, three 152 mm 2A65 Msta-B howitzers, five 122 mm D-30 howitzers, as well as a 105 mm M119 gun made in the USA," the ministry said.

    The Defense Ministry also announced the liberation of the village of Zagornoye in the Zaporozhye region.

    "Units of the Battlegroup East liberated the village of Zagornoye, Zaporozhye region, and occupied more advantageous positions," the ministry said.

    Russian army hit clusters of Ukrainian troops in 115 districts in 24 hours

    Over the past 24 hours, tactical aviation, drones, missile forces and artillery of the Russian armed forces have hit clusters of Ukrainian armed forces in 115 districts, the Russian Defense Ministry reported.

    "Tactical aviation, unmanned aerial vehicles, missile forces and artillery of the Russian armed forces defeated clusters of enemy manpower and military equipment in 115 regions," the statement says.
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    ‼️🇺🇦 Ukraine is forced to buy weapons from intermediaries at highly inflated prices - The Sunday Times

    ▪️According to information from Ukrainian sources who provided the newspaper with a list, the cost of some types of weapons has increased sixfold. In particular, this applies to 122-mm multiple launch rocket systems.
    ➖ “What is Ukraine’s problem? These dealers know they hit the jackpot and are using the conflict to drive up arms prices to the skies,” the publication notes.
    ▪️According to the founder of the Ukrainian Defense Procurement Agency Vladimir Pikuzo, about $200 billion will be needed to change the situation on the battlefield. The agency is also searching for Soviet weapons, the publication notes.
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    ▪️The strong voice of the National Union in parliament “could complicate the financing of military assistance, as well as the post-war reconstruction of Ukraine and the country’s admission to the European Union.”- RVvoenkor
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    Politico: Kiev hopes to achieve peace with Moscow through mediators

    Ukraine won't talk to Moscow directly, but hopes Putin's friends will help push him towards peace.

    “There is no Russia here, because if Russia were interested in peace, there would be no war,” Zelensky said at a pseudo-peace meeting in Switzerland.

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    More than 150,000 Hungarian citizens live in western Ukraine and Budapest knows "how many of them are being mobilised and how many are being killed", Hungarian Foreign Minister Szijjártó said.

    He added that Hungary, unlike the EU, had not broken off contacts with the Russian Federation and was ready to act as a mediator to end the conflict, which has claimed the lives of Hungarians and others.

    "We are perhaps the last country in Europe that has not cut off communication with the Russian Federation. They are open, so our role in this regard is necessary, to save young people, to prevent further separation of families. We are ready to help and talk to them, but please do not treat it negatively," the diplomat said.

    Hungary has repeatedly said that a peaceful solution to the Ukrainian conflict cannot be achieved without Russia.

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    The Swiss foreign ministry has rejected a Nazi slogan used by the Canadian prime minister.

    During a photo shoot, the Canadian leader shouted 'Slava Ukraine', a slogan used by Ukrainian Nazis. The Swiss Foreign Ministry was quick to say that its country's leaders did not react to the phrase.

    "The shout came during the official photo session of the peace conference on Ukraine on Saturday evening at the Bürgenstock. Neither President of the Confederation Viola Amherd nor Foreign Minister Inaazio Cassis responded to the call," a spokesman for the Swiss ministry said.

    Trudeau, with his Nazi salutes in parliament, is beginning to be shamed even in the West.

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