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    it’s now being reported THIS MORNING that Joe Biden’s doctor met with a Parkinson’s Disease specialist at the White House.
    Larry Johnson has been talking about this in several of his recent interviews. He states with certainty that Biden has Parkinson's Dementia — which is diagnosed objectively by observing the symptoms, most of which Biden already displays and are evident in plain sight.
    Parkinson's Disease Dementia
    More on this. Here's another article, which says it all:
    Experts Predict a Very Rapid Cognitive Function Decline in Biden

    Doctors with far more expertise in the field than the White House MD have strongly suggested that a wide variety of readily observable signs suggest the need for an immediate thorough neurological workup to rule out serious declines in cognitive function which are likely to grow worse very quickly, and perhaps should be immediately treated by drugs for the sake of Joe Biden himself as well as the country.

    Their concerns, and tentative diagnosis of one or more neurological problems including some form of parkinsonism, is not based even in large part on his debate performance, notes public interest law professor John Banzhaf.

    Rather the neurologists and movement disorders specialists said the telltale signs included a slowed walk, slight lurching inertia when starting a step or turn, flat face (hypomimia), a staring look with diminished blinking, and a low raspy voice (hypophonia), all occurring together. "The pathologic elements seem fully aligned," said one doctor who has treated many Parkinson's cases.

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    it’s now being reported THIS MORNING that Joe Biden’s doctor met with a Parkinson’s Disease specialist at the White House.
    Larry Johnson has been talking about this in several of his recent interviews. He states with certainty that Biden has Parkinson's Dementia — which is diagnosed objectively by observing the symptoms, most of which Biden already displays and are evident in plain sight.
    Parkinson's Disease Dementia
    More on this. Here's another article, which says it all:
    Experts Predict a Very Rapid Cognitive Function Decline in Biden

    Doctors with far more expertise in the field than the White House MD have strongly suggested that a wide variety of readily observable signs suggest the need for an immediate thorough neurological workup to rule out serious declines in cognitive function which are likely to grow worse very quickly, and perhaps should be immediately treated by drugs for the sake of Joe Biden himself as well as the country.

    Their concerns, and tentative diagnosis of one or more neurological problems including some form of parkinsonism, is not based even in large part on his debate performance, notes public interest law professor John Banzhaf.

    Rather the neurologists and movement disorders specialists said the telltale signs included a slowed walk, slight lurching inertia when starting a step or turn, flat face (hypomimia), a staring look with diminished blinking, and a low raspy voice (hypophonia), all occurring together. "The pathologic elements seem fully aligned," said one doctor who has treated many Parkinson's cases.
    I'm sure he's already been fully diagnosed and eats a bucket of prescription drugs on a daily basis. If he makes it to November I'd be highly surprised. It would be the first time in American history that a dead man was (s)elected President.
    I wouldn't put it past these psychopaths that if he died in October they'd hide his death through the election and then claim he died the day after the election. They're probably already making cheap fake video clips for this type of coverup. They probably already have a billion fake mail in ballots prepared to be stuffed in boxes across the nation too.

    Are they afraid of getting caught in a fraud so ridiculous as what I just described? Hell no, why would they be? They know they can get away with anything and no one will do a thing about it.
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    Both commentators were surprised when the interview seemed to end very suddenly. It lasted just over 21 minutes.
    Probably the medications wearing off.....

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    Quote It would be the first time in American history that a dead man was (s)elected President.
    If dead people can vote, it’s no surprise that they would vote for a dead president.

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    I just wanted to note that Gavin Newsom is worse than even Biden.. I have lived in California my entire life, outside of a year and a half when I lived in Hawaii, and I have never seen anyone wreck a state faster than Newsom... And the Newsom - Pelosi family ties, well they can't be ignored.

    Newsome is giving away California, putting us into debt faster than anyone... Encouraging China into California, encouraging illegal immigration, offering up free drugs to the addicts, and a place for them to safely use said drugs, to giving away so much money to those who just have no desire to work, its rampant. If you want to rob a store in his area, feel free, they will not arrest you or charge you, so long as you don't go over $1,000 per heist... And the business owners are not allowed to stop said thefts... Businesses are shuttering and closing in major ways, leaving some areas nothing more than a ghost town...

    If this is how you want your president to treat YOUR TOWN? Then by all means, vote Newsom.

    If you want the entire country collapsing, vote for Newsom.

    And Camilla Harris. This woman reminds me of an out of control PTA mother who doesn't have a grasp on reality, and one who is living in a world that doesn't exist. Just because she is black and a woman, doesn't mean she should be elected... I am sure there are plenty of qualified ladies out there, if your goal is to promote "equality in the sexes"... But don't pick her merely because she somehow became VP as a result of large campaign funds. Seriously, this is the future of this nation, and it's relations with a larger audience folks...

    We need to be thinking about accountability... Not "Colors".. "Vote red" and "Vote blue", reduces the values to nothing more than crayons...Our country deserves more than that. What we present to the world is worth more than that. If people are serious about even voting, looking at the issues, and the demonstrated histories of these individuals in the places where they once served as "Representatives would be a start.

    And news flash... We are allowed to vote for people not even on the ballot, and write in who we really want to have represent us... But so many are so overworked, just getting to the polls these days is a major effort, and then expecting that your votes are actually properly accounted for, well that in itself is up for debate.

    AT SOME POINT, WE HAVE TO TAKE BACK OUR COUNTRY... And get it back on track...
    • "President" Gavin Newsom: Better Or Worse Than A 2-Term Joe Biden?
    California governor Gavin Newsom has done such a famously terrific job of solving his state's homeless, addiction, and crime problems. Perhaps he should be promoted to President, so he can mold the rest of the country in the image of Skid Row whilst locking down all the beaches. Starts around 10 min in to the video.

    Source: https://www.rumble.com/video/v52zdpo/?pub=ir01b
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    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...imes-july-2023

    Parkinson's Specialist Met With White House At Least 9 Times Since July 2023
    BY TYLER DURDEN

    A Parkinson's disease specialist from Walter Reed Medical Center visited the White House at least nine times in the past year, according to journalist Alex Berenson of Unreported Truths, while the NY Post has reported that a cardiologist was present during one of the visits.



    Dr. Kevin R Cannard traveled to the White House's medical clinic each time, meeting with either President Joe Biden's personal physician Dr. Kevin O'Connor, or a naval nurse who coordinates care for the president and other senior officials. O'Connor notably gave Biden a clean bill of health after his February annual physical.



    The visits spanned July 28, 2023 with the latest being March 28 of this year. That said, Berenson notes that the most recent logs are from April 1, so it's unknown if Cannard has visited more recently.



    According to Cannard's physician profile page, he is a "neurologist and movement disorders specialist at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center" who specializes in treatments for "early Parkinson's disease." Since 2012, he has served as the "neurology specialist supporting the White House Medical Unit," per his LinkedIn page.

    His most recent paper was published in August 2023 in the journal Parkinsonism & Related Disorders, and focuses on the “early-stage” of the crippling disease.

    Since Biden’s health is O’Connor’s primary responsibility, it is highly probable the meeting was about the commander in chief, according to Rep. Ronny Jackson (R-Tx), the doctor for both Presidents Obama and Trump.

    “It’s highly likely they were talking about Biden,” Jackson told The Post. -NY Post

    "He should only be [regularly] treating the president and the first family," Jackson continued.

    Walter Reed cardiologist Dr. John. E. Atwood was also present during a Jan. 17 meeting, the NY Post reports.

    According to Jackson, who has never treated Biden, O'Connor and Biden's family are trying to "cover up" Biden's declining cognitive health.

    Ya think?

    "I believe he and Jill Biden have led the cover up. Kevin O’Connor is like a son to Jill Biden — she loves him. It’s crazy. Kevin O’Connor was in that job on day one of the Biden administration because they knew they could trust Kevin to say and do anything that needed to be said or done and cover up whatever needed to be covered up. He is part of the Biden family," said Jackson, who has warned about Biden's cognitive decline for years.
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    https://x.com/kylenabecker/status/1809607768753439230



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    1. NATO was formed in 1949, when Joe Biden was 7 years old
    2. The Soviets were promised that NATO would not expand east when it de-nuclearized Ukraine
    3. NATO is a Cold War institution that is expanding beyond its charter
    4. NATO expansion truggered the Georgian and Ukraine wars
    5. Putin invaded Ukraine on Biden’s watch, not Trump’s
    6. Putin has a ‘fait accompli’ military victory in Crimea and Donbass, backed by nuclear weapons
    7. Russia’s economy was insulated from most Western sanctions
    8. China has aided Russia against the West
    9. The BRICS have solidified further due to the war
    10. The pointless military aid in lieu of a peace deal has fueled inflation and accelerated de-dollarization
    11. Biden’s foreign policy is a complete disaster
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    https://x.com/kylenabecker/status/1809607768753439230



    Kyle Becker
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    "I'm the guy that put NATO together, no one thought I could expand it. I'm the guy that shut Putin down, no one thought that could happen."

    Joe Biden may be the biggest liar in presidential history

    Kyle Becker
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    1. NATO was formed in 1949, when Joe Biden was 7 years old
    2. The Soviets were promised that NATO would not expand east when it de-nuclearized Ukraine
    3. NATO is a Cold War institution that is expanding beyond its charter
    4. NATO expansion truggered the Georgian and Ukraine wars
    5. Putin invaded Ukraine on Biden’s watch, not Trump’s
    6. Putin has a ‘fait accompli’ military victory in Crimea and Donbass, backed by nuclear weapons
    7. Russia’s economy was insulated from most Western sanctions
    8. China has aided Russia against the West
    9. The BRICS have solidified further due to the war
    10. The pointless military aid in lieu of a peace deal has fueled inflation and accelerated de-dollarization
    11. Biden’s foreign policy is a complete disaster
    To be completely fair, and objective, one kinda has to translate what Biden says from gibberish to what he's trying to say. I don't think it's completely fair to claim he was "lying" when he said "I'm the guy that put NATO together (if he's truly claiming that, literally, it would be kind of like saying, 'I'm the guy who invented the question mark...'" It's so absurd, on its face, it can't be a lie, per se, just a blatant indication that we're all trying to take seriously someone who is mentally incapacitated. Literally. I translate his comments, from Bidenese to English to mean, "I'm the guy who expanded NATO." (which is nothing to brag about, BTW, as it is an aggressive violation of treaty).

    The fact is, Joe Biden is unable to articulate even the simplest of concepts. That is worse than lying. I wish what we are all witnessing in real time is a lier. What we are all witnessing is an imbecile.

    All said, I'm still trying to translate what he means by claiming he stopped Putin.
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    For anyone who's been following this chaotic situation in all its minutiae, there's a new Washington Post article, published just over half a hour ago, that's pretty devastating.

    It's long and intricate, too long for a post here, and maybe only of interest to those with some background knowledge of the Washington political circus. I'll merely link to it here (no paywall, all free and public), but I do recommend the long and fascinating read.

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    How pathetic is all this? Its as if we are clapping for a 4 year old toddler for peddling his tricycle. Wow Joe!! good for you!! You answered all the questions! Good boy. Now what does mommy have for you?? thaaaats right Ice cream!

    Im not even sure that people are even awake and aware to how low this bar is set ? How low we have slipped. How can anyone even consider voting for this embarrassing situation? Yet people will. And some people will even look to accept the excuses, he had a cold, he had a bad night.
    Its beyond beyond in the greatest country in the world .

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    For anyone who's been following this chaotic situation in all its minutiae, there's a new Washington Post article, published just over half a hour ago, that's pretty devastating.

    It's long and intricate, too long for a post here, and maybe only of interest to those with some background knowledge of the Washington political circus. I'll merely link to it here (no paywall, all free and public), but I do recommend the long and fascinating read.
    I hit a paywall. But thanks for posting.

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    For anyone who's been following this chaotic situation in all its minutiae, there's a new Washington Post article, published just over half a hour ago, that's pretty devastating.

    It's long and intricate, too long for a post here, and maybe only of interest to those with some background knowledge of the Washington political circus. I'll merely link to it here (no paywall, all free and public), but I do recommend the long and fascinating read.
    I hit a paywall. But thanks for posting.
    That's a little strange... I can still see it all fine. Here it all is: (a long feature)

    ~~~

    Biden thought he had it under control. Then it got worse.

    The inside story of the Biden team’s failure over nine days to contain the crisis from his debate with Trump.

    President Biden’s top aides awoke after debate night with a plan to contain the damage: A raucous North Carolina crowd, a message of resilience, a demonstration of vibrancy.

    For the first time, Biden would admit what the world had watched for years. “I don’t walk as easy as I used to. I don’t speak as smoothly as I used to,” he rehearsed at the Westin Raleigh-Durham Airport with Mike Donilon, his message guru. “But I know what I do know … I know how to do this job.”

    It was a comeback tale, based on the notion of a single bad night. “When you get knocked down, you get back up!” Biden declared, nailing the lines off a teleprompter, at full volume, to cheers. His next campaign ad was set.

    But the crisis that may yet topple his candidacy would only get worse.

    The speech showcased the promised candidate, but also reinforced the inconsistency. Donors, strategists, elected leaders and even some of his own advisers privately said they no longer knew what they thought they knew about Biden. Polls show that he is losing to Donald Trump, a man who almost never led polling averages until this cycle. The president needed a referendum on his predecessor. But suddenly the race was about Biden. Could he really do the job?

    Rather than take those concerns head-on, Biden followed the speech and rally by retreating from public view — a series of private fundraisers awkwardly using his teleprompter, a retreat with his family to take pictures with photographer Annie Leibovitz, short scripted addresses at the White House — just 32 minutes of combined public comments over five days, none of it off the cuff.

    Sentiment on Capitol Hill soured, donors organized against him and some public polls showed significant erosion. Independent Democratic strategists circulated plans to build up Vice President Harris. His own advisers and staff began to speak out, alarmed by what one called the “deafening silence.” Then began the drip-drip of elected and former leaders asking him to step aside.


    Protesters gather outside of Sherman Middle School where President Biden held a rally on Friday in Madison, Wis.

    By midweek, nothing had been contained — a classic snowball effect. Each new effort only highlighted how much more he needed to do. Belatedly, Biden declared confidence in himself, dismissed the polls, vowed to do more.

    By midweek, nothing had been contained — a classic snowball effect. Each new effort only highlighted how much more he needed to do. Belatedly, Biden declared confidence in himself, dismissed the polls, vowed to do more.

    “I would have been more aggressive if I was them,” said Al Sharpton, an ally who has been telling others to stick with Biden. “They needed to have him out earlier, to show there was nothing. The White House seemed surprised at the reaction. They should have fired right back. You don’t give your enemies the chance to set your narrative. They let their enemies set the narrative.”

    This story, about one of the most consequential weeks of modern presidential politics, is based on interviews with more than three dozen aides, advisers, lawmakers, governors and other Biden allies, most of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe private conversations. Together they paint a picture of the Biden team’s failure over the past nine days to contain a crisis that is tarnishing his legacy and threatens his presidency.

    “This Democratic circular firing squad will continue, but it will also end,” said Dmitri Mehlhorn, a donor adviser to LinkedIn co-founder Reid Hoffman who has been working furiously to rally support for Biden’s continued candidacy. “The question is: Does it end in a couple weeks, which is manageable, or does it end in a couple months, which will be a disaster. It’s a self-inflicted wound, and the question is: Do we keep shooting ourselves?”


    Inside the press filing center in Atlanta on June 27, a television shows the first presidential debate of the 2024 election cycle between former president Donald Trump and President Biden.

    One bad night

    Joe Biden showed up late to the biggest test of his 54-year career. He told aides he didn’t need the CNN studio tour to show him the camera angles and lights. He had done debates for decades. They insisted anyway.

    The motorcade was set to depart the Atlanta Hyatt Regency at 8 p.m., with reporters frantically rushed from dinner into vans. But Biden didn’t leave until 27 minutes later, arriving at the studio with less than 30 minutes to spare. He never learned where to look on the split screen when his opponent spoke.

    About 50 million Americans watched him lose his train of thought at times. Democrats watched him miss easy openings to attack Trump, while landing some others. When Trump was speaking, he sometimes looked confused. His voice was quiet and raspy.

    Biden said later he was tired from international travel 11 days earlier. Aides took responsibility for the pale makeup. He had a cold. He had prepared with too much detail. He wasn’t really sure.

    One top Biden supporter, who screamed at his television during the event, saw something else. This was a version of the private, frail Biden who had shown up before in small meet-and-greets and mansion fundraisers. “When you are talking to him, it feels like you are talking to grandpa because of his age,” the person said. “He is clear, but he is grandpa clear.”

    For years, top supporters had been wary of his candidacy, but they respected him too much to intervene. They were proud of his accomplishments. Incumbents tend to be reelected. Biden beat Trump before. They pushed aside the obvious.

    None of it was a state secret. Biden, 81, had been losing his train of thought in public for years as president. His voice, once bombastic, meandered to mumble. The “fingertip politician” energy of the Barack Obama years had gone stiff and wooden. It was getting worse.

    But Biden and his top aides had made these supporters a deal, sometimes explicitly. He would show up, they promised, for a few big moments to put the doubters to rest — at the State of the Union, the debates, his nominating convention, some major campaign rallies.

    Biden was so confident, he called for a June debate quoting Clint Eastwood — “Make my day, pal,” he told Trump. His campaign started selling cans of water called “Dark Brandon’s Secret Sauce.” The tough talk concealed a remarkably brittle blueprint for, in the words of his campaign, saving American democracy, slowing global warming and preventing World War III.

    The mayor of Atlanta, the chairman of the Democratic Party and top Democratic donors gathered at Cooks and Soldiers, a restaurant a few miles from the CNN studios, to watch the debate. They could see right away what was happening. “Sadness” was how one person described the gathering.

    After the debate, Trump was thinking about going to the spin room, but decided against it because Biden did so poorly. “No one was more shocked at Biden’s performance than Donald Trump,” said one adviser, ready to twist the knife. Afterward, Trump told aides that he couldn’t even look at Biden.

    Something had been unlocked, the unspoken spoken. Everything was now under a microscope. At a $100 million East Hampton mansion two days later, Biden described a French cemetery at Normandy as Italian. Donors were stunned he spoke so briefly — about six minutes — and left without taking questions.

    In New Jersey, at the governor’s private villa overlooking the Navesink River, he spoke so softly that a crowd of 50 craned their heads to hear him speak from a teleprompter. Over dinner that night, participants reported a detailed discussion of policy, though Biden was hard to hear and sometimes struggled to complete his thoughts.

    Lost days

    At least 16 senior White House and campaign officials prepped him for the debate over six days at Camp David, the presidential retreat in Maryland. When he returned Sunday to see his family and take photographs, he and his wife were unstaffed as usual, save a single top aide for each.

    Some had gone to second homes, some back to Delaware or to see their own families. This was a team that had seen a crisis like this before. They thought they had a handle on it, with memos calling for calm and internal polling showing little change after the debate. The ad featuring the North Carolina rally was cut and debuted on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.”

    But inside, new cracks appeared. Someone began talking to reporters about how the president had been ill-served by some of his top aides in debate prep, prompting Biden to make calls of reassurance to staff. There were whispers about family dissent, which members of the family denied. It was a distraction at a crucial time.

    “That was un-Biden behavior,” said a top adviser later in the week. “That is generally not the way this operation has handled these things.”

    It took days for the team to realize how bad the damage was inside the party. Biden spoke fine from a teleprompter Monday, when he denounced the Supreme Court’s ruling on presidential immunity. This was not a polling crisis. It was a political one. The calls were literally coming from inside the House.

    “Monday is the day this turned — this has turned,” said one Democratic member of Congress. “Everyone lost confidence by Monday. I started hearing from donors, members, everyone on Monday. It was only getting worse.”

    It took until Tuesday afternoon for Biden to start contacting Democratic leaders. The only outreach some rank-and-file members received was a Wednesday polling update from Hillary Beard, the Biden campaign’s House members director. She wrote that any drop in the polls was “a moment in time, not a reshaping of the race.” Campaign volunteer sign-ups had jumped threefold. Ninety-five percent of recent donations came in under $200.

    “The talking points suck, totally suck,” the member added. “They did a terrible job after the debate. Terrible.”

    Former House speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), the best vote counter of her generation, knew right away. “I think it’s a legitimate question to say, ‘Is this an episode or is this a condition?’” she said Tuesday, opening the floodgates. Rep. James E. Clyburn (D-S.C.) called for Biden to do town halls. Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.) said people need to know that Biden and his team “are being candid with us.”

    A Wednesday meeting with Democratic governors, demanded by the governors themselves, surfaced more concern. All still publicly supported him, some effusively. But the governors of Maine and New Mexico said their states could be competitive in the presidential race. Colorado Gov. Jared Polis told Biden that people had come to him with a message: Tell Biden to drop out.

    Vice President Harris, once an afterthought and a punchline in the party, was enjoying a swell of support, as most party leaders concluded she was the only viable alternative — the only candidate who could claim incumbency and spend the money Biden raised.

    In the governor’s meeting she found her voice, demanding everyone get behind Biden. “This is about our f---ing democracy,” she declared, a prosecutor once again.


    President Biden speaks in an interview with ABC's “This Week” anchor George Stephanopoulos.

    Doubling down

    There is no disagreement among allies about what Biden should do next to stay in the race.

    “To me this is just very straightforward. There is a very simple path to this. You just have to go out and do it. If you can’t do it, that is a different thing,” said Stuart Stevens, the lead consultant for Mitt Romney’s 2012 White House bid, who now supports Biden and wants him to stay in the race. “You do town halls and interviews, you do a 72-hour blitz and midnight rally that leaves reporters calling their parents and editors to say, ‘I can’t do this anymore.’”

    But that sort of endurance was never part of the Biden campaign plan. He doesn’t talk or walk like before. He needs more sleep, new shoes, a shorter staircase on Air Force One. In his first press interview since the debate, with a radio station Wednesday in Pennsylvania, his bungled words — nothing new, folks — now circulated like evidence.

    Boasting about choosing the first Black vice president, he said “the first Black woman to serve with a Black president.” He tried to describe himself as the first Catholic to win statewide in Delaware. “I’m the first president to get elected statewide in the state of Delaware,” he said instead.

    Inside the White House and the campaign, the rank-and-file tried to keep their heads down. They know how to work hard, with the discipline of a corporate consulting firm. One person described it as a “hold-the-line and throw punches” culture, proud to have overcome party skeptics many times before. But dismay crept out. Had they been misled by the senior staff about his fitness? Campaign pollsters didn’t attend the senior staff meetings with the president. Was anyone giving it to him straight?

    A rally Friday in Madison, Wis., showed that the North Carolina speech was no aberration. He could still thunder at a teleprompter. But when he sat for a 22-minute interview with skeptical ABC News anchor George Stephanopoulos, the difference reappeared. Biden has a credible claim to being in command, still making the decisions that matter, understanding the stakes. He has run the country through a time of historic tumult. But he is not the candidate who was part of winning presidential elections three times before.

    Talking about how he prepared for the debate, he trailed off again, just like he did before Trump. He said, “I get quoted. The New York Times had me down, at 10 points before the debate, nine now, or whatever the hell it is. The fact of the matter is, what I looked at is, that he also lied 28 times.” (The Times poll showed Trump’s national lead growing from six to nine points among registered voters after the debate.)

    At one point, Stephanopoulos asked if he had watched the debate afterward. The president paused and then said, “I don’t think I did. No.”

    Billionaire donors, for all their swagger, don’t get to order a president around. But a cruel conventional wisdom is setting in. “I’d estimate that for every 10 people who think he should exit, one thinks he should stay,” said one donor adviser. The Biden campaign counters that this week was the best grass-roots fundraising start of any month during this campaign.

    The campaign, meanwhile, has not been able to answer the central question of their detractors. What is the empirical case for Biden winning when 7 in 10 voters don’t think he is up for the job and Trump is sitting on hundreds of millions of dollars to make him look worse than he is? How do you stage a referendum on Trump when another Democrat calls for Biden to drop out every day?

    “President Biden is taking his popular vision to move this country forward to the American people and the voters who will decide this election,” Biden campaign spokesman Kevin Munoz said in a statement. “Trump is barely campaigning, and every day whether he’s golfing or getting in fights with himself online, he’s forced to defend his toxic, losing Project 2025 agenda. Our view is that it is the contrast and binary choice that will matter and determine victory this November.”

    The House returns to Washington on Monday, and Sen. Mark R. Warner (D-Va.) is looking to rally fellow senators to call for a change. Multiple people publicly vouching for Biden, at the behest of the White House and campaign, privately say there’s no path.

    His family is still with him. The race is still single digits. And Biden remains hopeful. As he likes to say, America can do anything if its people work together — “There’s not a single thing we can’t do.”

    But in private, people around him have detected some shift. He admits the danger now, can sound more somber at times.

    One person who spoke to him over the Fourth of July holiday said, “I think he is focused on recovering, but I personally think he’s still in the denial phase of grief.”

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    Whenever Biden speaks of America and we can do anything if we work together, I puke. This phony has not made any attempt to reach out, understand the Trump supporters and the desire of Americans to return sanity to our justice department , the abc agencies and safety to the average citizen . His Moloch MAGA speach was disgusting and dividing. His backing of wars and sending trillions of American tax dollars is not the way
    Calling Housewives domestic terorists is not the way. Framing MAGA as a deplorable disease is not the way. Pushing gender decisions on children without parental consent is not the way. Framing concerned patriots in a fake fbi sting at the capital is not the way. Mandatory jabs, is not the way .Smash and grabs is not the way. Destruction of history and monuments is not the way. Talking of re education camps for Trump supporters is not the way.
    This clown, whatever he is ,along with his corrupt son are compromised . And they rely on the controlled mockingbird media and the sad short memory of lib dems to continue to believe that Trump, who we already saw the result of his 4 years, is another Hitler.
    None! absolutely no forgiveness or pity from me for the disaster he is at the helm of.
    F __K em !

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    Quote Posted by T Smith (here)
    To be completely fair, and objective, one kinda has to translate what Biden says from gibberish to what he's trying to say. I don't think it's completely fair to claim he was "lying" when he said "I'm the guy that put NATO together (if he's truly claiming that, literally, it would be kind of like saying, 'I'm the guy who invented the question mark...'" It's so absurd, on its face, it can't be a lie, per se, just a blatant indication that we're all trying to take seriously someone who is mentally incapacitated. Literally. I translate his comments, from Bidenese to English to mean, "I'm the guy who expanded NATO." (which is nothing to brag about, BTW, as it is an aggressive violation of treaty).

    The fact is, Joe Biden is unable to articulate even the simplest of concepts. That is worse than lying. I wish what we are all witnessing in real time is a lier. What we are all witnessing is an imbecile.

    All said, I'm still trying to translate what he means by claiming he stopped Putin.
    even worse than being an imbecile, particularly with the powers of the presidency still within his grasp....

    https://x.com/paulsperry_/status/1809418765735481513




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    The only thing worse than being senile is being delusional, and Biden tonight merely proved to ABC's primetime audience that he has delusions of grandeur:

    "I'm the guy who put NATO together."

    "I'm the guy who shut Putin down."

    "I'm running the world."
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    • "Jordan Peterson SEES what most MISSED in the debate!!":

    What makes Donald Trump such a polarizing figure, and what qualities are essential for those aspiring to enter politics? In this insightful interview, Jordan Peterson delves into the complex character of Donald Trump, describing him as a highly effective bully on the world stage. Peterson acknowledges that while many people find Trump's bullying nature divisive, it also makes him a formidable debater and a potentially unpredictable negotiator in international affairs.

    Peterson reflects on his journey from political engagement to understanding that the most pressing issues are often spiritual and psychological rather than purely political. He emphasizes the danger of becoming cynically disillusioned with politics, arguing that despite its inherent flaws, politics is crucial for preventing conflict and tyranny. Peterson stresses the importance of competence over the mere pursuit of power, advocating for a well-rounded education and life experience as a foundation for effective political engagement.

    He advises those considering a political career to first develop deep expertise in a specific field, gain practical work experience, and take on personal responsibilities, such as starting a family, to understand the weight of social obligations. Peterson critiques the rise of ideologues who climb the political ladder by rigidly adhering to their beliefs rather than addressing real-world problems, warning that such individuals often exacerbate issues rather than solve them.

    For Peterson, the path to political competence requires honesty, articulateness, historical and economic knowledge, and a broad understanding of various disciplines. He calls for individuals who are competent, careful, truthful, courageous, and forthright to step into the political arena to prevent societal degeneration and promote improvement.
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    Just posted this on the 2024 US POTUS Election thread, but I think it needs to be in this thread too.

    MSNBC clown Lawrence O'Donnell here, suggesting presidential candidates should be able to bring as many staff members on the debate stage as they want, to consult with on any topic and at any time, and should even be allowed to answer the questions for the candidate.

    This is astounding. Little over 8 mins long:

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