An important announcement following the closure of the WORM TONGUE thread

[Omni]

I am getting feelings that I'm unsure if are real(they are from an ET AI), but my heart goes out to Richard as I am getting the feeling he is very sorry about all this and very sad about the turning of events, and the loss of his membership and work here will be felt by him in the future(he may be feeling this now). I am getting that he took pride in his affiliations here and it will be something he will look back on and miss if he is gone(even if things seemed very different to him just before this). I am also getting he is a good man. I'm not sure if I'm being fed lies or not. Maybe Celine can confirm or deny this.

I vote that Richard and Celine stay if possible. Not that my vote means much... I don't know what went on behind the scenes or if things can be mended. But I can't help but feel bad for Richard and Celine. I feel both are good people. How a bunch of good people end up fighting is disheartening. Just goes to show humans are not very spiritually evolved yet(compared to whats out there anyway).

Either way, Avalon will move forward. I just really hope we don't lose more valuable members over this. I'm here for the longhaul, even though I'm new. I plan on staying here as long as this forum is up, or until I die... I really do wholeheartedly value every contributing member here that has helped me and others in their paths of knowledge/wisdom sharing, and awakening to the true nature of reality together.

Not that I think this is what it is, but mind control really could be present here. If Richard is reading this, I'd recommend analyzing your thoughts and emotions in some self reflection. See if he could find any anomalies that are not of his own essence. If he ends up saying "That was really uncharacteristic of me. And I was completely controlled by emotion, and this has never happened before" It's possible it was not of your character at all... But I am admittedly overly analytical of mind control, as I am subjected to it literally every single day, most days all day with very little breaks from it(but it's in both positive and negative ways)...

[aikya]

I think if Lee-B had a voice in this conversation, it's possible he might say that he too believed he was protecting his honour.

[Tommy]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Icecold (here)
The forum options needs to be configured to true delete messages or this is a breach of trust.

Whether or not there is a breech of trust depends on what people do, not on some technical setting.

If the admins with access to the backend server, including backups, choose to act untrustworthy, then they could, I presume, find most anything. No user accessible delete option is going to reach out into the database backups.

There is an important distinction here. Short of serious crypto, our trust ultimately lies in the people, not the systems.

To suggest that some software setting or other brands the people as breeching trust (in large bold letters no less) is provoking fear where it is not well placed.

I completely agree with you
I do however understand why this came into question at this point..

To early to judge, that is for certain

[GoldenYears]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Lifesong (here)
Bill, will you be allowing back "GypsyWoman"?

I'll answer that question indirectly. One of the things I would like to know as a fact (one way or another) is whether or not Gypsy Woman was going nuts with justified rage and indignation because she knew for sure that her PMs were being read in the name of 'investigation'.

I will give you my opinion......no....she was nuts before any of that happened.

From the first few posts of hers when she blasted onto this forum, I knew that things were going to happen, and not in a good way. Bill, she caused discord right from the beginning. I know for a fact she threatened one individual here on the forum....and that threat was pmd to the adms and mods. This person did not deserve it in any way.

[Steph]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)

Posted by Mouse (here)

Posted by Celine (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Lifesong (here)
Bill, will you be allowing back "GypsyWoman"?

I'll answer that question indirectly. One of the things I would like to know as a fact (one way or another) is whether or not Gypsy Woman was going nuts with justified rage and indignation because she knew for sure that her PMs were being read in the name of 'investigation'.

Compelled to post...damning sometimes feeling this way..i apologize..

but the pvt messages (and skype and email) i saw about gypsy woman were ALL from a member who chose to share them because he feared she had very bad intentions towards YOU ...AVALON..and all of us....


Just because it is possible to read PMs doesnt mean it is done... and Bill has succesfully distanced himself from any doubt that he knew about this so his credibility is sustained. Good Job.

Richard works for a businessman from Hong Kong, as his right hand man (from techie to construction).... Just yesterday i stood there as a ceo was telling me how trust worthy my husband is...

This is not in defense of my husbands heart..but in honor of it.

Loyalty above everything except honor


my husband is the most honorable man i know.

Dear Celine, please do not misunderstand me, I do not doubt Richard's loyalty or integrity to you or the CEO of the corporation in Japan that he works for. However, do you think that if this CEO happened to see Richard's behavior last night, he would be impressed? I think not. In fact, the Japanese abhor emotional displays like that, it would be severely frowned upon. Actually, I don't think the Japanese like frowning either, but you get the point.

I really do commend you in defending your husband, and I know you are sincere in your apology. What about Richard? Does he feel his behaviour was acceptable?

Mouse

In Japan, they don't like emotional displays, this is true, but remember, this is also the same nation that in their history, honour was all.
To lose honour was to be a dead man walking.
To stand and fight on a point of honour wasn't a good thing or bad thing, it was the mark of the man.
By the way, did I tell you how much I enjoy Japanese culture and history? Excellent people.
Oh, and the food? Damn, love it.
Except they don't have carrots, organic or not.

Sidious, thanks again for making me laugh. What's with you and carrots eh? If ever I were to meet you, be sure, I'll bring along some carrots

Yes honour is everything in that culture, but for the Japanese to show emotion it would cause them to lose face or honour. I do wonder if they scream silently inside?

Mouse x

[ace]

Time for a smile anyone?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=X23J-si8wVg

Ace

[Redtailhawk]

Posted by write4change (here)
Levent tonga,

Today is a day for doing things publicly. In the thread we were discussing I brought up Lord of the Flies and you said my example was not valid because it was written by a man and not a boy. You also said you were an MD child psychologist. I looked at your profile to see what country you are from. I see cultural context as always important.

As an English teacher, I would say men write stories because of their childhood memories and experiences. I do not think what country you come from is irrelevant. Nor do I think one psychological analysis fits all.

I hope that clears up this matter for you. If not, you and I need to resort to PMs as this is not relevant to this topic.

Also, psychologists are not MD's but PhD's...psychiatrists are the MD's...just saying.

[Lita]

Posted by Star Gazer (here)
There are many questions here that need to be answered directly and fully.

I totally agree.

[kerbie]

Posted by Celine (here)
Richard rarely acts out like that..he did to honor me.

Bill knows this.

If Bill had spoken to me the way he did (and still is to others) to my face..Richard would have punched him..

and ANY real man i know...would have understood why....even if maybe they dont condone violence..

I dont care how ****ed up i am... you do not ..take down a mans woman like that and not expect a reaction.

To honor you? This isn't feudal japan. This isn't the 1950's. If my girlfriend went around running her mouth and attacking people and then expecting me to "honor" her, she'd have another thing coming. Do you think your worm tongue thread was honorable?

This is about moving forward.

I came here to get away from all the trash talk and idle threats presented from say godlikeproductions, but I've noticed that several members seem determined to push themselves into the limelight at every chance and you, Celine, come up on my radar daily.

I'm not posting this because I dislike you or want to attack you or your fella, it's not my business. But what is my business is that your dominating presence often sidetracks discussion or causes flamewars and arguements. When I first came here, I thought you were a forum troll.

I try to avoid threads that have had your contributions because you leave me in a such a fluster. And it's sad, because I don't know you as a person. I feel that if you were gone from the forums, your enthusiasm and presence would be sorely missed, but on the other hand, I'd be happy to never have to read a typical post from you again, and I don't want to feel like this.

I've been in Richards situation before with a very popular forum whilst I was modding there, and I understand the frustration and how tensions can come to a climax at any minute. It happened to me, but fortunately it was years ago and I got to learn certain lessons at a younger age with a less critical audience. This is why I have taken the time to write this up. I really want to see you to stay. I'd really like to bump into you guys at a convention one day.

But the mindset needs to change. This cannot be about emotional bs. This cannot be about personal drama and trying to bring bad spotlight to other people. This is about dealing with what's going on around us and sorting it out in a logical, tangible and digestible way.

I really hope you take the time to look through this and imagine an outsider who knows nothing about you reading your posts. Imagine if your posting history in PA was saved a hosted online for all to view. What conclusions would people come to about you? I for one wouldn't feel comfortable alongside you in the 18 yet. I even considered asking for my application back when I saw your name was on the list of nominees.

But I know that deep down inside, your motivation and emotional responses and consistency on these boards is needed. I know you would make a very passionate member of the 18. But I think philosophically, there's still a lot of room for growth.

All the best with everything. Once again, please don't think of this as an attack or an insult. I just think you have a very flawed mindset, but cannot be mad at you if no one has ever told you about it.

[Ruby L.]

--- Post deleted: Inappropriate (but wonderfully stress-relieving) giggle during a serious discussion. Apologies. ---

[Operator]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
As best I know, no admins or moderators can ever read members' private messages. I certainly can't, and have never thought of doing so. Richard has had a deeper level of access to the inner workings of the forum software, but I believe he cannot either.

I am not through this whole thread yet ... so maybe someone replied on this already.

When you have access to the webhosting control panel you have access to things like phpMyAdmin i.e. an interface to a (e.g. mySQL) database.
Everything passing through this forum is in some form present in the database. Some parts may be encrypted but I don't think it's the case
for most of the text parts. Besides the keys to decrypt should be available there as well (Passwords are an exception and can often not be decrypted).

With the level of access as described above it's easy to remove members from the database after which they simply don not exist anymore. However
everything related to a member (using an ID as index) is often stored in separate tables. So either all the references were destroyed too or when only
the member ID was removed ... the member could be restored when the corresponding ID can somehow be determined/retrieved.

I recently realized how much power and responsibility one has to have control over so much data in web based databases ... it takes a lot of discipline
not to abuse this power. Without knowing the root cause of all this mess I feel sorry for Richard if he was tempted/pushed in this direction.
People are not failsafe and when professionally profiled and targeted it takes a lot to avoid the pitfalls.

It takes a "Frodo Baggins" to carry the ring all the way to the fire and destroy it's power.

[Gardener]

Posted by Icecold (here)
LOL. It may not have anything to do with Admin or mods.

Be aware that there are specialised people or AIs who have infiltrated this forum.

Edit: to suggest a far greater problem that email security breaches. What I'm saying is that it is not ADMIN and it is not MODS. Speculative at the moment, Edit

This is not a fantasy I'm afraid.

Ok I was going to sit this one out because I thought that Bill would get it for what it was. Thankfully Icecold has broached the subject so I feel I can support it here.

So far no one has taken into account the influences of mind manipulation or hyperdimesional reality. We are pretty awake indivduals on here, some much more than others; however being awake to the world situation does not mean we are awake to our true selves, our psyche, the influence of existential attack as individuals and collectively. It's a fact.

They attack through us, they use what is our weakest link, that which is UNCONSCIOUS in us and protected by the ego. Believe me, when a strategic person is triggered there is very often little that person can do about it. We see it over and over again, both in our personal lives and on the world stage and everywhere in between.

From my heart I hope that Bill will not allow this attack to have its effect, its time to SEE when the poison is injected and who is used as the vector.
I have to go out right now but I wanted to get this down now before it is too late.

This work must go on.
g

[Charlie Pecos]

Hello Avalon,

I took a couple of days off from the forum to clear my head, and upon my return I am deeply saddened by what has occurred.
I go to great lengths to keep my posts positive and productive.
Many is the time I have erased something that, after review, I felt was not for the highest good.

Please Avalon, I implore you, If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all.
It is ok to respectfully disagree, but for us to allow our home to be torn asunder by, of all forces, "us" ......is simply inexcusable.
We, all of us, must hold ourselves to a higher standard than what we hold anyone else.
Let this be a lesson to all who have read these threads: The lowest common denominator will only cause much pain.
How are we to be the future of mankind if we can't rise above the petty squabbles and school yard politics?

We can build each other up or tear each other down, it is our choice.
I came here because I thought Avalon was a very unique place where I could finally fit in and be among friends.
I am deeply disappointed by the school yard social political immature BS I have found here of late, but I know this is not what Avalon is about.
There are many good people here who strive to work towards a better future for all.

Please, let us all learn from our mistakes and look to those who set the right example, and then put forth our best work.
Let us forgive those who have made grave errors in judgement, for they are us and only human after all.
Those who have made their mistakes deserve only our love, forgiveness, and prayers.
What we are doing here is precious and worthy of fighting for.

Wishing everyone a beautiful day filled with love and forgiveness, and an everlasting appreciation of the one true creator.

[Icecold]

Posted by Omniverse (here)
I am getting feelings that I'm unsure if are real(they are from an ET AI), but my heart goes out to Richard as I am getting the feeling he is very sorry about all this and very sad about the turning of events, and the loss of his membership and work here will be felt by him in the future(he may be feeling this now). I am getting that he took pride in his affiliations here and it will be something he will look back on and miss if he is gone(even if things seemed very different to him just before this). I am also getting he is a good man. I'm not sure if I'm being fed lies or not. Maybe Celine can confirm or deny this.

I vote that Richard and Celine stay if possible. Not that my vote means much... I don't know what went on behind the scenes or if things can be mended. But I can't help but feel bad for Richard and Celine. I feel both are good people. How a bunch of good people end up fighting is disheartening. Just goes to show humans are not very spiritually evolved yet(compared to whats out there anyway).

Either way, Avalon will move forward. I just really hope we don't lose more valuable members over this. I'm here for the longhaul, even though I'm new. I plan on staying here as long as this forum is up, or until I die... I really do wholeheartedly value every contributing member here that has helped me and others in their paths of knowledge/wisdom sharing, and awakening to the true nature of reality together.

Not that I think this is what it is, but mind control really could be present here. If Richard is reading this, I'd recommend analyzing your thoughts and emotions in some self reflection. See if he could find any anomalies that are not of his own essence. If he ends up saying "That was really uncharacteristic of me. And I was completely controlled by emotion, and this has never happened before" It's possible it was not of your character at all... But I am admittedly overly analytical of mind control, as I am subjected to it literally every single day, most days all day with very little breaks from it(but it's in both positive and negative ways)...

I doubt you will die anytime soon, you are young. Wisdom at your age is amazing to me.

I have had a recent experience here. A thought not easily guessed, very specific was posted here. For me this is a conundrum. Something which tells me my thoughts are not that private for some who are not benevolent.

[ace]

Posted by GoldenYears (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Lifesong (here)
Bill, will you be allowing back "GypsyWoman"?

I'll answer that question indirectly. One of the things I would like to know as a fact (one way or another) is whether or not Gypsy Woman was going nuts with justified rage and indignation because she knew for sure that her PMs were being read in the name of 'investigation'.

I will give you my opinion......no....she was nuts before any of that happened.

From the first few posts of hers when she blasted onto this forum, I knew that things were going to happen, and not in a good way. Bill, she caused discord right from the beginning. I know for a fact she threatened one individual here on the forum....and that threat was pmd to the adms and mods. This person did not deserve it in any way.

That was not the question, the Question was whether or not Gypsy Woman was going nuts with justified rage and indignation because she knew for sure that her PMs were being read in the name of 'investigation'

Ace

[Steph]

Dear Celine,

Please accept my apologies, Hong Kong is indeed now part of China. My thoughts were rushed, I had hoped to make a useful point for Richard. My comment is redundant now, pls do not take offense.

Mouse x

[Carmody]

Posted by greybeard (here)
The Course in Miracles has some gems
One is,
"We are never angry for the reason we think we are"

What happened last night was the culmination of many things of which I know not what.

In addition there are many energies coming in from the solar system that the human mind and body are not used to handling.

I had a residential home for he elderly and I used to dread the full moon.
Those who had Alzheimer were greatly affected. lovely old dears became threatening and sometimes even violent.

To err is human to forgive Divine

peak moon energies coming up in about 36-48 hours, then a decline by the same two day cycle on the back side of the peak.

Just saying.

Still coming off the eclipse pulse from the original interview (hidden) and then it's release (public) two weeks later.

BOTH happened exactly 3 days before each given moon/eclipse cycle.

As is happening now.

Can you folks begin to see the pattern?

Please do so, so you can understand how these things work!

Your ass is literally tied to moon cycling and astrology.

Please see it. We very much need this to happen.Since the interview and it's release, you can go back and the pulsing of this forum and issues have followed this to utter perfection. Absolute utter perfection.

When I talk about the flow of hyper-dimensional fractal-dimensional energies and the planets motions (And individual vibrations) being involved ... they are immersed in a dynamic oscillating flow, well... it is right there. Plain as day.

Each planet and the sun...have their own oscillatory contribution in your flowing in and through (your individual pattern and response- as well) in this river of time and how we bounce along in response to it's actions and motions in the physical meat puppet emotional sense (body avatar response).

The mind and body -the window we look through into this temporal flow universe are deeply affected by this patterning. It literally causes us to dance in repeated and predictable patterns. Astrology. The original science and knowledge base that all others flow out of.

Is not a three month pattern of utter perfection of response, to a perfect 'T' enough for you people to begin to see the depths of this multi-dimensional avatar system --for what it is?

When will you..what does it take..when will you allow yourself to awaken?

When will you use your intellect and curiosity to help you awaken? To note that aspect of autonomous response to turn and look at it?

Thank you.

[Icecold]

Posted by ace (here)

Posted by GoldenYears (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Lifesong (here)
Bill, will you be allowing back "GypsyWoman"?

I'll answer that question indirectly. One of the things I would like to know as a fact (one way or another) is whether or not Gypsy Woman was going nuts with justified rage and indignation because she knew for sure that her PMs were being read in the name of 'investigation'.

I will give you my opinion......no....she was nuts before any of that happened.

From the first few posts of hers when she blasted onto this forum, I knew that things were going to happen, and not in a good way. Bill, she caused discord right from the beginning. I know for a fact she threatened one individual here on the forum....and that threat was pmd to the adms and mods. This person did not deserve it in any way.

That was not the question, the Question was whether or not Gypsy Woman was going nuts with justified rage and indignation because she knew for sure that her PMs were being read in the name of 'investigation'

Ace

In my case Ace, she had no justification for rage and her vid of a murder/torture directed at me was less than amusing.

Her accusation that I was in some way connected to an agency, again was not amusing.

Her accusation that I threatened her son was also not amusing.

None of these things were associated with reading of emails.

These were pure malice and fantasy with a specific goal in mind. What the goal was I won't ponder.

Not an innocent my friend. She is in some ways a deeply disturbed individual who focuses attention entirely on herself...all the time.

[GoldenYears]

Posted by ace (here)

Posted by GoldenYears (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Lifesong (here)
Bill, will you be allowing back "GypsyWoman"?

I'll answer that question indirectly. One of the things I would like to know as a fact (one way or another) is whether or not Gypsy Woman was going nuts with justified rage and indignation because she knew for sure that her PMs were being read in the name of 'investigation'.

I will give you my opinion......no....she was nuts before any of that happened.

From the first few posts of hers when she blasted onto this forum, I knew that things were going to happen, and not in a good way. Bill, she caused discord right from the beginning. I know for a fact she threatened one individual here on the forum....and that threat was pmd to the adms and mods. This person did not deserve it in any way.

That was not the question, the Question was whether or not Gypsy Woman was going nuts with justified rage and indignation because she knew for sure that her PMs were being read in the name of 'investigation'

Ace

Okay, you got me there Ace. I guess I read that wrong.

Yes, Im sure that her anger was justified when she found out her pms were being read.

Still doesnt justify her behaviour before all that happened.

[THIRDEYE]

my best wishes to richard and celine,in this unfortunate issue,i slso support bills decision it is his forum for celine and richard love light and abundance....thirdeye.....