Guys, do you think permanent magnetic motors exist?

[Theone2050]

Is it a complete scam? Or even it is possible but the output is very small? Or is there a third possibility?

[Sunny-side-up]

Thanks for the post, looking forwards
to you replies

[ulli]

I’m sure magnetism holds the secret to Free Energy.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by ulli (here)
I’m sure magnetism holds the secret to Free Energy.

I'd just add electro-magnetism.

I may be wrong, but I doubt that magnets alone can accomplish any free energy magic. But when electronics is factored in (and everything associated, including on the quantum level), I'd be certain that what we might regard as breaking-laws-of-physics miracles can happen.

(And on a highly classified level, I'm equally certain all this has been achieved already, 20 years ago or more. But it's being kept very tightly under wraps for the moment, mainly because of the highly disruptive effect on the world's economy.)

[Jaak]

David Lapoint used to had one video on his channel about electrical motor that uses only magnets but it is removed.
John Bedini had some interesting concepts/inventions. ¨Bendini wheel¨ you can look up easy on youtube.
Over the years i have also seen dozens of videos from russian ¨garage inventors¨ who have built some incredible stuff but tracking down those videos will be quite an task.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Jaak (here)
David Lapoint used to had one video on his channel about electrical motor that uses only magnets but it is removed.
John Bedini had some interesting concepts/inventions. ¨Bendini wheel¨ you can look up easy on youtube.
Over the years i have also seen dozens of videos from russian ¨garage inventors¨ who have built some incredible stuff but tracking down those videos will be quite an task.

Here's yours truly back in 2010 with an actual Bedini Machine, which I witnessed working personally. (Belonging to Thomas Kirschner, the editor of the German NEXUS magazine, at his house. All reported in this post on the John Bedini - RIP thread.)

[ExomatrixTV]

• You have scammers posing as "the real deal" and then you have the real deal being sabotaged, framed as "scammers".

And then you have so many suppressed inventions (over 5000 officially admitted) which can not be denied that easily because the patent-laws are set up in such a way it is SUPER DUPER OBVIOUS they suppress certain inventions for "national security" reasons!

• see follow-up questions here

It seems we have 2 worlds: 01. What we are allowed to experience and 02. More than 5000+ US patents innovations/inventions that are made secret (classified!) for "security" reasons without proper oversight ... We are being lied too so many times on so many levels that even "scientists" are conditioned to believe the false tunnel vision narratives.

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

• The Silencing of Inventors
• Suppressed Inventions Research - My Story

[ExomatrixTV]

• The Invention Secrecy Act

The Invention Secrecy Act of 1951 requires the government to impose "secrecy orders" on certain patent applications that contain sensitive information, thereby restricting disclosure of the invention and withholding the grant of a patent. Remarkably, this requirement can be imposed even when the application is generated and entirely owned by a private individual or company without government sponsorship or support. There are several types of secrecy orders which range in severity from simple prohibitions on export (but allowing other disclosure for legitimate business purposes) up to classification, requiring secure storage of the application and prohibition of all disclosure.

At the end of fiscal year 2023, there were 6,155 secrecy orders in effect.

• Invention Secrecy Activity, statistics reported by the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office, through FY 2023
• Patents granted to formerly secret patent applications in FY 2015, list of three patents granted, November 2015
• Patents granted to formerly secret patent applications in FY 2014, list of six patents granted, November 2014
• Secrecy orders rescinded with patents issued, 1982-1988, US Patent and Trademark Office
• Secrecy orders rescinded with patents issued, 1988-2012 arranged by patent application number, US Patent and Trademark Office
  * * *
• Do Patents Enable Disclosure? Evidence from the Invention Secrecy Act by Gaétan de Rassenfosse et al, December 2023
• The Consequences of Invention Secrecy: Evidence from the USPTO Patent Secrecy Program in World War II by Daniel P. Gross, Harvard Business School working paper, February 2019
• US Patents Related to the Manhattan Project, 2017, History and Public Policy Program Digital Archive, Obtained via FOIA request by Bill Streifer, via Wilson Center
• Litigation: Damnjanovic v. U.S. Air Force
  • Complaint seeking compensation for secrecy order filed by inventors Budimir Damnjanovic and Desanka Damnjanovic, May 14, 2014
  • Court Order granting in part and denying in part Air Force motion to dismiss, September 22, 2015
  • Stipulation of Settlement awarding inventors a lump sum payment of $63,000, December 1, 2015
• Congratulations, Your Genius Patent is Now a Military Secret by Joshua Brustein, Bloomberg, June 8, 2016
• Patent and Trademark Office Notice on Invention Secrecy, Federal Register, April 23, 2013. "In the interest of national security, patent laws and rules place certain limitations on the disclosure of information contained in patents and patent applications and on the filing of applications for patents in foreign countries."
• Government secrecy orders on patents keep lid on inventions by G.W. Schulz, Center for Investigative Reporting, April 16, 2013.
• Request for Comments on Using Secrecy Orders to Conceal Economically Significant Patents, Federal Register, April 20, 2012. "The US Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO) is seeking comments as to whether the United States should identify and bar from publication and issuance certain patent applications as detrimental to the nation's economic security. The USPTO is also seeking comments on the desirability of changes to the existing procedures for reviewing applications that might be detrimental to national security."
• The Invention Secrecy Act of 1951, text of 35 U.S.C. 181-188
• DoD Patent Security Review Process, Department of Defense Directive 5535.02, March 24, 2010
• Secrecy, Access, National Security, and Foreign Filing, Manual of Patent Examining Procedure (MPEP), Chapter 0100, US Patent and Trademark Office, Eighth Edition, August 2001
• Petitions for rescission or removal of a Patent Secrecy Order filed with the USPTO, 2011 (via governmentattic.org)
• Petitions for rescission or removal of a Patent Secrecy Order filed with the USPTO, 2005-2010 (via governmentattic.org)
• A List of Patent Application Numbers Subject to a Secrecy Order that has been Rescinded, from October 2005 - September 2006
• Patent Security Category Review List (January 1971 edition)
• Patent Security Category Review List (redacted) (May 2009 edition)
• Secrecy Order Forms of various kinds issued by the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office (courtesy of Michael Ravnitzky)
• The Secrecy Order Program in the U.S. Patent & Trademark Office, June 1991
• Administration of the Invention Secrecy Act in the Patent & Trademark Office, 1991
• Secrecy of Certain Inventions, implementing regulations from 37 Code of Federal Regulations part 5
• Protecting the Private Inventor Under the Peacetime Provisions of the Invention Secrecy Act by Sabing H. Lee, Berkeley Technology Law Journal, 12:2, Fall 1997.
• The Government's Classification of Private Ideas (excerpt), hearings before a subcommittee of the House Committee on Government Operations, Ninety-Sixth Congress, February 28, March 20 and August 21, 1980
• Secret Patenting in the USSR and Russia by John Martens
• National Defense and Industrial Property by Nathalie Wuylens

International Agreements on Defense-Related Patents, Classified Patent Applications and Invention Secrecy (courtesy of Michael Ravnitzky)

• US-Australia (1961)
• US-Belgium (1960)
• US-Denmark (1960)
• US-France (1957)
• US-Germany (1956)
• US-Greece (1960)
• US-Italy (1952)
• US-Japan (1956)
• US-Korea (1991)
• NATO Agreement (1977)
• NATO Agreement (1969)
• NATO Agreement (1974)
• NATO Agreement (1960)
• US-Netherlands (1959)
• US-Norway (1960)
• US-Spain (1960)
• US-Sweden (1962)
• US-Turkey (1957)
• US-United Kingdom (1953)

source

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=E88dq-Q_2dQ

[Faylin]

when it comes to curses all things that are real become scams, dangers and counter effort.

But yeah I think it could be a reality, a clean unlimited power sources must exist somewhere in space time when i think about it. someones got to be working on it. you know how paranoid people get when the power goes out and no ones working on it.... what people are willing to do to suppress techs the real concern.

[Blastolabs]

According to Tom Bearden (RIP) all energy systems use "free energy" from the vacuum. According to him the reason you need to charge your cell phone is due to how we wire the circuit which kills the source of the charge (dipole) He says that our current circuits use power because they need to constantly create a dipole (source charge) which is then destroyed due to the way we wire our circuits. As Bearden said,

"we're still building them, we're still making power systems that deliberately kill themselves so we pay the power company to have a giant wrestling match inside this generator and lose. That's really what we pay them for so that doesn't seem to be the way to run a railroad It would seem to be much more ideal to freely change the energy of the system, pay a little switching cost so we get it switched over to the load and dump it in the load and let it go let it power the load and so you can do it"

Double meaning highlighted in red

The many inventors/ inventions that I am aware of that seem to legitimately create over unity energy generation include Henry T. Moray, Howard Johnson (magnetic motor patent), Tewari Paramahamsa (patent), Bedini seems to have made multiple devices, Joseph Newman, Lester Hendershot (NY Times 1928), Floyd Sweet, Tom Bearden's Motionless Electromagnetic Generator

To clarify, these are just the inventions I’ve personally explored and found to be demonstrated successfully multiple times, indicating they likely work. There are many others I haven't looked into. About half involve what could be called magnetic motors, but there seem to be at least four different methods to achieve "free energy."

Many people think it would be impossible to hide these technologies, but they underestimate the lengths taken to suppress them. It's not just about bribing inventors, legal action, threats, and murder.
For example, I believe Einstein and his theory of relativity were actually artificially promoted and used as a massive psychological operation to divert scientific research away from discovering over-unity energy systems. The fact that everyone reading this knows who Einstein is and has heard of his theory despite him being a terrible example of a scientist due to him stealing his ideas from others without giving credit, not conducting any experiments, and even the many experiments that others traveled the world in order to "prove him right" can really only be interpreted at best as being inconclusive, suggests that there's a powerful group behind this extensive publicity campaign. There must be a reason for all that effort. The effort has paid off and most involved are now dead, but the damage has been done and the vast majority of scientists today trust Einstein's claims despite never bothering to even read any of the methods used for the experiments used to support his theories.

This interview with Bearden is a must watch, it completely changed how I see the universe, and I spent years taking time to understand everything he says in the video.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=aQpH1-WnIYM