Starve the beast - solutions

[Ewan]

Posted by norman (here)
I've long had an idea I've never actually put to the test. It's not a dwelling thing but it's stealth food growing thing, maybe.

In rural farming areas in the UK there are a lot of 'dead corners' to the big fields where the mono crops are produced. These corners are 'outside' the radius of the turning circles of the big machinery they use in the big fields. Think of a square with 4 internal corners and think of 4 small circles pressed into those four corners. There's a gap between the edge of the circles and the corner of the square.
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I'm fairly confident the workers in the big fields won't notice a thing. These days, they hardly get out of their tractor cabs and are too busy making sure they get their tasks done without wrecking hundreds of thousands of pounds/dollars worth of kit to notice a couple of plants growing amongst the weeds on the field corners.

A problem springs to mind straight away, you would need a lot of corners over many fields to produce a viable return. Ergo a lot of leg work, do you think nobody would see you - even walking down hedgerows and fencelines. Also there is the problem of all the chemicals that are sprayed on the actual field crops, overspray and winds will ensure your little harvest is probably contaminated.

You might be better off looking at woodland borders?

[palehorse]

Posted by Ewan (here)

Posted by norman (here)
I've long had an idea I've never actually put to the test. It's not a dwelling thing but it's stealth food growing thing, maybe.

In rural farming areas in the UK there are a lot of 'dead corners' to the big fields where the mono crops are produced. These corners are 'outside' the radius of the turning circles of the big machinery they use in the big fields. Think of a square with 4 internal corners and think of 4 small circles pressed into those four corners. There's a gap between the edge of the circles and the corner of the square.
-->snip<--
I'm fairly confident the workers in the big fields won't notice a thing. These days, they hardly get out of their tractor cabs and are too busy making sure they get their tasks done without wrecking hundreds of thousands of pounds/dollars worth of kit to notice a couple of plants growing amongst the weeds on the field corners.

A problem springs to mind straight away, you would need a lot of corners over many fields to produce a viable return. Ergo a lot of leg work, do you think nobody would see you - even walking down hedgerows and fencelines. Also there is the problem of all the chemicals that are sprayed on the actual field crops, overspray and winds will ensure your little harvest is probably contaminated.

You might be better off looking at woodland borders?

Very good observation Ewan, but the idea of using corners or borders of land is quite real, Fukuoka technique of using seed balls would work perfect in this scenario where you don't even need to plant anything, just prepare the seed ball at home and then go around and spread it, the crop will grow on its own.
I have to say it is not a crazy nut idea Norman but I think the field should be well selected and far from contaminants as Ewan noticed, that could be done either inside a national park, nobody would notice, go for the usual hike and spread the seeds around, in few months you go for the usual hike with a bag for harvesting some.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=QC1V9x_YpPc

[palehorse]

Here we go back to the original idea of this thread, CBDC.

An interesting podcast from Corbett Report website:

"Joining us today is Aaron Day, a liberty activist who hasn’t used fiat currency since 2019. James and Aaron discuss the biggest threat to human liberty and the Manhattan Project that Aaron is proposing to come up with a solution for those looking to escape the coming CBDC tyranny."


ref.: https://corbettreport.com/living-fiat-free/ (37:28 minutes long) - It gives some alternatives/solutions and also links with a variety of more resources for those interested.


Here is another podcast : "Podcast - Aaron Day - CBDC Rollout Hits DEFCON 1 & Roger Ver’s Arrest is Just the Beginning". It is on spotify and I don't know how to embed it here, so follow the link: https://open.spotify.com/embed/episo...QKa94MCnnKfCnh
(this podcast is 1:08:40 long)


and here is the Porcupine Freedom Festival, they are going to cover everything about CBDC this year.
https://porcfest.com/


Just a warning for the Bitcoin lovers: 2 developers of Bitcoin are related to the development of CBDC in US. Bitcoin Foundation is undermined it is a non-profit organization that is directly connected with of course the development of Bitcoin itself. There are direct attack on many other decentralized crypto out there. Since 2015 the development group behind BTC is the same group (MIT looners) that is developing CBDC, so it begs the question why people still have hope on Bitcoin? It has not even privacy! Go figure.

But the fight is on, people are working hard and fast to get new alternatives / solutions, because when the time comes and there will be another manufactured crises and they will introduce the CBDC, the majority of people are not aware about the alternatives and they will fall beautifully into it. We are very very close to that day.

Here is something that worth a comment: Bitcoin isn't designed to retail, in other words it is pretty bad, slow and expensive transactions, can't be use for micropayments, period. A little log here, Bitcoin can handle 7 or 8 transactions per second, which is ridiculous low, CBDC was designed to handle millions of transactions per second, so here is the big catch, Lightning Network (which runs on BTC blockchain) was created after the CBDC figured out how to make the CBDC more effective, Lightning Network is what we can call junky tech directly out of CBDC to the masses, why would they allow that? that question remain to be known, but I believe it is testing purposes because it may attract people and since it runs on Bitcoin technology, it is traceable, what we know that every piece or bit of tech that reaches out in the public, is junky that they allowed to be there for their own testing purposes. For those who doesn't know even Jeffrey Spistein helped funding the development of such things at the MIT labs and also private stuffs for his own ventures. Where the money comes from? human trafficking? cogh cogh

So you don't want to leave cash behind unless you have a real rock solid technology that works for the people, Bitcoin certainly is not that.

[palehorse]

Here is a good talk about solutions and alternatives to big tech, I know the guy in the podcast (Ramiro), he is involved with alternative techs for a good while now, guy is solid and have good advice, I used to chat in a group he manage for more than 2 years, basically he gives lots of advice to people and help them figuring out tech things, one of a kind out standing guy. He got this company called AbovePhone (unGoogled Pixel Phones), so he is promoting it in the podcast in certain way, but he also encourage people to do it themselves (jailbreak), it is good to see people taking control of the wheel and actually doing stuffs. He also "touch" the subject of Apple Pay and Google Pay, like they got a huge market for themselves and all they had to do is to offer those Apps with the phone itself, we are talking about at least 90% of all people in the world using Google Android and Apple, the other 10% is divided into smaller software companies, the freedom movement probably represent 0.xxx% of it, this is the current ****ed up situation we are, 6 or 7 billion people using google and apple products.

He also mentioned Freedom Cells, which I posted in the other thread here:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...-and-the-likes

Here is the link for freedom cells: https://freedomcells.org/

and here is podcast (about 1 hour long)
https://open.spotify.com/embed/episo...OTJIyvg0DB0Kvj

The podcast ends with the phrase : "thanks for your commitment to starve the big tech beast"

[palehorse]

also posting here, totally related

Posted by palehorse (here)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=gTImMbRVnis

Here is some balance to this debate of crypto currency, I do not agree 100% with what John Bush is saying, but around 15 min. mark, that is absolutely true and Chinese, Russians, politicians, whatever are doing it, this is a well known tactics to move money, hide money using bitcoin (it is traceable but tumblers exist for that reason).

I am not advocating crypto currency, CBDC is simply hell coming alive, been fully programmable and stripping away people's right or what is left of it. But in case the fiat currency goes belly up, if I need to transact money with others (unofficially) I would go with Monero only, not gold or silver (nobody in my area would accept silver or gold for a bowl of noodles, go figure), another thing who guarantee the grid will be functional for most of people?! it probably will be functional for the elites, but not for the plebe.

Here is 1 prediction for the freedom movement (cough bear with me), when the time comes and CBDC is implemented on most countries, all legal businesses will be forced to use it, those who refuse will have 2 options: close down or become an Agorist (lets see how many will stick to the plan of freedom - in my point of view this will be a great indicator to separate the wheat from the chaff).

Any coincidences with Sodom and Gomorrah to the freak show we are heading today? prepare accordingly to your own needs.

[rick]

Quit paying tax. Tell employer to 1099 you and wipe ass with said form. Anyway that won't stop **** even if lots did it. They can just put zeros in computers all day long.they don't need your money, they just don't want YOU to have it.

Another suggestion:Turn off. As In hammer a nail thru smart phone.screen. stop paying attention to them and their show. Have the " **** with me and I don't care, bring your guns and police and soldiers. Put me in jail. Do what you gotta do and I will do what I gotta do". I don't care I'm not playing your game...The end.

Like dying is the worst thing that could happen in this ****ing place or what?!..jeeezsus ****ing spinless masses.

I was the only asshole in Walmart without a facemask, was stopped every two isles and harassed, just politely said nope nope, do what you gotta do, I'm not wearing it. Felt awesome afterwards and I'm still proud of that one.

That's how we win. Spine. Not tooting my own horn but most people are complete cowards.

[palehorse]

Posted by rick (here)
Quit paying tax. Tell employer to 1099 you and wipe ass with said form. Anyway that won't stop **** even if lots did it. They can just put zeros in computers all day long.they don't need your money, they just don't want YOU to have it.

Another suggestion:Turn off. As In hammer a nail thru smart phone.screen. stop paying attention to them and their show. Have the " **** with me and I don't care, bring your guns and police and soldiers. Put me in jail. Do what you gotta do and I will do what I gotta do". I don't care I'm not playing your game...The end.

Like dying is the worst thing that could happen in this ****ing place or what?!..jeeezsus ****ing spinless masses.

I was the only asshole in Walmart without a facemask, was stopped every two isles and harassed, just politely said nope nope, do what you gotta do, I'm not wearing it. Felt awesome afterwards and I'm still proud of that one.

That's how we win. Spine. Not tooting my own horn but most people are complete cowards.

That was exactly the first thing I had done after catapulted myself out of the rat race many years ago, I pay no taxes on my income (not "officially" employed), capital gains, sales, etc but still have to deal with vehicle and land taxes, don't know for how long, or any other way to avoid them by now. I buy and sell whatever I want directly with people using cash, outside of the system, been doing it for years now, no credit card for over 15 years, I live as simple as possible, but I still have some duties, that is really nothing if I compare how it used to be for me.

My time to get angry with these bastards gonna, I just refuse whatever they offer and I do things on my own way, there is nothing anyone can do to stop this behavior, I wish more people see it is possible, my transition (withdrawn from the beast system) had been very slowly, I am satisfied with the results, but still a lot of work to be done on many levels specially the spiritual one.

I may get a horse and a charrette (carriage) a la Amish so then I can get rid of my truck and the taxes that comes with it, I can't believe a 25 years old truck and still have to pay taxes yearly.

I bolded your sentence above, that is it! I do agree with that, in fact is exactly what I am doing, there is no other way, if lucky enough hopefully in time we will find "others" and establish our own clan.

[palehorse]

Here is a DRAFT that outline the registration of a Private Membership Association (In US aka: PMA), other countries has similar structures, worth the time looking into it.

-------DRAFT----------

Key Points for Drafting Your Private Membership Association (PMA)

1. Purpose and Mission

Spiritual Retreat: Clearly state that the association’s primary purpose is to provide a private spiritual retreat for its members.
Personal and Communal Development: Emphasize the focus on both personal development (internal work) and common development (external work) within the community.

2. Membership Structure

Invitation-Only: Membership is by invitation only and not open to the public.
Non-Commercial Nature: The association operates on a non-commercial basis, with no sales or public engagements.

3. Activities and Schedule

Positive Actions: Detail the types of activities members will engage in, such as:
Internal Activities: Meditation, personal development workshops, and other self-improvement practices.
External Activities: Communal living tasks, maintenance of the compound, and projects that benefit the entire community.
Active Participation: Members are expected to actively participate in both personal and communal activities, contributing to the overall well-being of the community.

4. Governance and Decision-Making

Democratic Process: Decisions are made through a democratic process involving all members.
Assemblies: Regular assemblies or meetings to discuss and decide on community matters.

5. Resource Management

Self-Sufficiency: The community is self-sufficient, relying on internal resources and member contributions.
Non-Reimbursement Policy: Clearly state that contributions made by members are not reimbursable if they choose to leave the association.

6. Legal and Tax Considerations

Non-Profit Status: Emphasize the non-profit nature of the association.
Land and Buildings: Highlight the use of natural buildings and the non-commercial use of the land.
Tax Exemption or Tax Immune: Prepare to apply for tax exemptions or reductions or immunity based on the spiritual and non-commercial nature of the association.


DRAFT OUTLINE

A. Introduction

Purpose and mission of the association.

B. Membership

Criteria and process for becoming a member.
Rights and responsibilities of members.

C. Activities

Description of daily positive actions and the types of activities.
Schedule and expectations for member participation.

D. Governance

Decision-making process and structure.
Frequency and format of assemblies.

E. Resource Management

Policies on resource sharing and self-sufficiency.
Non-reimbursement policy for departing members.

F. Legal and Tax Considerations

Non-profit status and compliance.
Application for tax exemptions/immunity based on the association’s purpose and activities.




My focus on this DRAFT is only to find out if there is any way to be granted tax-immunity based on the non-commercial nature of this association (maybe charitable/religious form), it is not a non-profit like the others. Since I don't understand much about it, I am trying with a lawyer I know asking some burning questions, but he seems to not have learned anything like that in the law school (I mean they probably don't teach that), I had to explain the difference of tax-exemption and tax-immunity which are two very different things, one basically comes under specific criteria and is necessary to adhere to the regulations to maintain the status, in the other hand tax-immunity is a more absolute status where the entity is not subject to tax laws, does not require to fulfill any conditions or adhere to regulations to keep the status granted to be left alone.

So there is a big catch here as we know: International organizations, sovereign states (like Liberland in a sense), military bases, certain NGOs, Indigenous Tribes.. these ones do not respond to any authority and are tax-immune. Some more powerful are: Diplomats and embassies, Sovereign Military Order of Malta, The Vatican, some small nations (sovereign states), International Committee of the Red Cross (NGO - they operate under international humanitarian law), and actually many others. The beast system is operated this way, they got their own privileges, while the burden of taxes is for the boogie class.

Tax-immunity just mean to operate independently of the state authority, must have a way out or half-way out.

[psikeyhackr]

I searched this thread for 'accounting' but did not find it.

Why hasn't accounting been mandatory in the schools of Western countries since WWII?

Ever heard of Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations? The book has been downloadable from the Internet since 2001. If you search it for 'education' you will find Smith used the word Eighty Times. If you search it for "read, write" you will find multiple instances of "read, write and *account* ". The United States could have made accounting/finance mandatory in the schools since Sputnik.

If everyone concentrated on Net Worth instead of jobs what would happen? Karl Marx used the word *'depreciation'* 35 times in the first two volumes of his major work. Using credit cards to buy junk designed to become obsolete is great for GDP, but the depreciation of durable consumer goods is not even in the Net Domestic Product equation.

Western countries claiming to be Capitalist promote a distorted version of Smith's ideas.

Smith used "The Invisible Hand" so many times it could be counted on one finger, but Milton Friedman never stopped slapping us around with it. 😅

[palehorse]

Posted by psikeyhackr (here)
I searched this thread for 'accounting' but did not find it.

Why hasn't accounting been mandatory in the schools of Western countries since WWII?

Ever heard of Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations? The book has been downloadable from the Internet since 2001. If you search it for 'education' you will find Smith used the word Eighty Times. If you search it for "read, write" you will find multiple instances of "read, write and *account* ". The United States could have made accounting/finance mandatory in the schools since Sputnik.

If everyone concentrated on Net Worth instead of jobs what would happen? Karl Marx used the word *'depreciation'* 35 times in the first two volumes of his major work. Using credit cards to buy junk designed to become obsolete is great for GDP, but the depreciation of durable consumer goods is not even in the Net Domestic Product equation.

Western countries claiming to be Capitalist promote a distorted version of Smith's ideas.

Smith used "The Invisible Hand" so many times it could be counted on one finger, but Milton Friedman never stopped slapping us around with it. 😅

I don't have the answer for that question, but here is what new generations should learn in schools or by themselves:

Trivium

• Grammar / Knowledge
• Logic / Understanding
• Rhetoric / Wisdom

Quadrivium

• Arithmetic (pure quantification)
• Geometry (space quantification)
• Music (time quantification)
• Astronomy (time and space quantification)

It is basically a path to truth and quantification, a classic model of education in ancient Greek/Roman traditions. just like out ancestors learned once, but it was abolished from the public education. This change happened back in the 15th century, slowly towards 18th century where there was the rise of intellectual movements, new scientific discoveries and so forth and so on (aka renaissance and enlightenment), then we moved into industrial revolution where practical/technical skills are necessary, in the 19th and 20th centuries the establishment in many countries focused on producing a "literate" and skilled workforce (that is where experiential learning and critical thinking started a slow death). By the end of 20th century we saw standardized testings, vocational training, STEM (science, technology, engineering, math), the whole educational system prioritize specific skills for economic and technological advancements, nothing else.

With that all the government policies and standardization of everything. game over, unless we starve this system by not playing their game.

I don't agree with Adam Smith's in having a limited government, this is an hierarchical system integrated with an authoritarian chain of command (flow of authority and comm).

Anarchy is probably the best way out of this mess, anything else centralize power in the hands of few.