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    One final thought, a multiverse throws up many interesting questions around the meaning of life and the meaning of any one life. If there are an infinite number of Journeymen typing a response to this post across a multiverse of worlds, then what does that mean to the value of the one typing this particular response? Is it diminished? Is there a meaning to any one world when so many exist alongside each other? Could the multiverse concept be used by a ruling class to undermine individuals sense of self worth? Make them easier to govern?

    this whole multiverse is big subject..collapse everything and very hard for human to comprehended..just give me chill thinking about that Lucid Dreams or Dream State have experienced is what i'm at now in current world.

    have so many questions what in other verse are like? in this verse i'm really ****ed up and how am i doing in other verse? right now i'm thinking what to say or write if had lucid dream like that again, write to myself and leave the note in that dream state...sound crazy but just go for it.

    i'm wondering could deja vu might be the thing? alot of crazy stuff in your head but might be from alternative universe? if im on dream state in other verse then could he experience deja vu?
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    • Does Multiverse Exist? Science of 'Everything Everywhere All At Once':
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    [*]Maybe in a "multiverse" with endless parallel universes, they have slightly different "rule sets" that test your character differently.
    As far as I can see, there is NO evidence of a multiverse. Do you see any evidence?

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    Maybe in a "multiverse" with endless parallel universes, they have slightly different "rule sets" that test your character differently.
    As far as I can see, there is NO evidence of a multiverse. Do you see any evidence?
    It'd be nearly impossible to find any 'evidence! (Almost by definition.)

    That's because we can't 'see' outside of our own universe to discover if other universes exist. It's as if we're all locked in a large room together with no windows or means of communication, and asking ourselves if there's anything or anyone outside.

    My intuition is that yes, we're in a multiverse, maybe a nearly infinitely-branching one. But that's only a 'sixth sense' opinion. There's no way to 'prove' it that I know of.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    My intuition is that yes, we're in a multiverse, maybe a nearly infinitely-branching one. But that's only a 'sixth sense' opinion. There's no way to 'prove' it that I know of.
    How could we tell the difference between a multiverse and an infinitely large Universe? Very serious question.

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    [*]Maybe in a "multiverse" with endless parallel universes, they have slightly different "rule sets" that test your character differently.
    As far as I can see, there is NO evidence of a multiverse. Do you see any evidence?
    Yes indirectly.

    I used to wonder about the mandela effect... is it just my poor memory ? Now I take it more seriously as residue of "format change" but WHY? I have no idea how all this works but the world is WAY WAY strange and gets stranger daily (as evidenced by the near miss this weekend). I always liked this song because it speaks to me that I only "know" I exist and if it were impossible? It would not be. The multiplexual nature of our various POVs is truly truly amazing.



    Quote THE ANTHROPIC VIEWPOINT
    music and lyrics (c) by Rob Bryanton (SOCAN)

    (This song combines the concept of the “Anthropic Principle” as advanced by Stephen Hawking in his “The Universe in a Nutshell” with Gödel’s Incompleteness Theorems, one of the central points of Douglas Hofstadter’s amazing “Gödel, Escher, Bach”, and throws in some strange ideas of my own. And it’s got a good beat and you can dance to it.)

    Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain
    The only thing that I know for certain
    In everything that you say and do
    The only thing you know for sure is you
    Believe in that and you will be okay
    You could live to fight another day, some day

    Pay no mind to those tiny little voices
    Every day you gotta make some choices
    Make ‘em right and you can carry on
    Make ‘em wrong and you will soon be gone
    And if it seems just a little unfair
    Get used to it, cause the stars don’t care, don’t care

    In the anthropic viewpoint
    The reason we’re here is because we’re here
    And if it were impossible
    Then we wouldn’t be

    If there’s other worlds then we’ve just missed ‘em
    No way to know what’s outside our system
    We’re like goldfish livin in a bowl
    What’s beyond it we can never know
    All we can do is theorize
    Cause we can never… get outside, outside

    In the anthropic viewpoint…

    So here we are in the Hydrogen Conspiracy
    That’s the way that it certainly appears to be
    What’s the reason, where’s the rhyme
    How’d we end up on this line
    All those other possibilities
    They’re just as real, but they don’t have me
    It’s no big deal, not worth a fuss
    They’re just as real, but they don’t have us, have us

    In the anthropic viewpoint
    The reason we’re here is because we’re here
    And if it were impossible
    Then we wouldn’t be


    As I say in a previous blog entry about this song, the poor ol' Anthropic Principle has certainly had a rough ride, some people just plain refuse to take this idea seriously. In the wikipedia article about the anthropic principle, you will see there are many different flavors of this idea. Let me try to describe the particular version that appeals to me in the context of what we're imagining here: if there is a multiverse of universes, with each universe springing from its own unique set of initial conditions, most of these universes would be uninhabitable by life as we know it. So how did we get so lucky as to be in a universe fine-tuned to our needs? The answer is that we couldn't exist in those other universes, so that's why "we" (that is to say, "life as we know it") aren't in them. The upshot of that idea, though, is that some of those other universes with completely different basic forces and structures could have within them organized bits of matter and energy that are completely and utterly alien to what we think of as life, and they could be marvelling at how miraculous it is that the universe they live in has been so finely tuned to their own unique needs!
    I have heard this song about the hydrogen conspiracy. I like it.

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    [*]Maybe in a "multiverse" with endless parallel universes, they have slightly different "rule sets" that test your character differently.
    As far as I can see, there is NO evidence of a multiverse. Do you see any evidence?
    I never ever claim there is "evidence" but more and more scientists (100s worldwide!) speak out that so many unsolved mysteries & all kinds of weird anomalies in cosmology CAN be explained IF there is a: youtube.com/results?search_query=multiverse

    The mystery of "quantum computing" may also be explained that it uses another super computer that is identical in a parallel universe and use that data too to be extremely fast with super complex tasks working together!

    Above is less than 1% what I have studied last 34 years on this topic.

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    Interesting video from the Institute of Art and Ideas on the multiverse featuring Sabine and Roger Penrose debating Michio Kaku on the multiverse.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W39kfrxOSHg

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    Quote Posted by Delight (here)
    I always liked this song because it speaks to me that I only "know"
    Edge theory completely confirms the Anthropic Principle. And I love the lyrics!.

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    Interesting video from the Institute of Art and Ideas on the multiverse featuring Sabine and Roger Penrose debating Michio Kaku on the multiverse.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W39kfrxOSHg
    not difficult to embed YouTube videos

    just use: W39kfrxOSHg of the url and mark it then click on the YouTube icon when you are in the edit mode!

    https :// www . youtube.com/watch?v=W39kfrxOSHg

    [ YOUTUBE ] W39kfrxOSHg [ / YOUTUBE ] remove the spaces to make it all 1 line combined and then you see this:

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    From the video: "...but one again, there is no evidence and no proof". Timestamp 1:47

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    Quote Posted by Neptune7 (here)
    From the video: "...but one again, there is no evidence and no proof". Timestamp 1:47
    REPEAT:

    I never ever claim there is "evidence" but more and more scientists (100s worldwide!) speak out that so many unsolved mysteries & all kinds of weird anomalies in cosmology CAN be explained IF there is a: multiverse
    cheers,
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    Several authors, including Everett, John Archibald Wheeler and David Deutsch, call many-worlds a theory or metatheory, rather than just an interpretation.[13][18]: 328  Everett argued that it was the "only completely coherent approach to explaining both the contents of quantum mechanics and the appearance of the world."[19] Deutsch dismissed the idea that many-worlds is an "interpretation", saying that to call it an interpretation "is like talking about dinosaurs as an 'interpretation' of fossil records."[20]
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    Quote Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)
    Everett argued that it was the "only completely coherent approach to explaining both the contents of quantum mechanics and the appearance of the world."[19] Deutsch dismissed the idea that many-worlds is an "interpretation", saying that to call it an interpretation "is like talking about dinosaurs as an 'interpretation' of fossil records."
    If I understand correctly, the whole idea of the many worlds derives directly from Feynman's proposed solution to the double slit experiment. Edge theory provide a vastly simpler and more beautiful explanation. In my opinion, Feynman's theory is circular reasoning.

    So the fact that a bunch of physicists who have drunk the Feynman Kool-
    Aid believe that - therefore - many worlds are akin to dinosaurs is understandable, and wrong.

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    Although it does make sense to me in an "increasing dimensions" type of reasoning, I personally find the multiverse theory to not be a reality. I believe in such out of pure spirituality. "Everything happens for a reason." If there are virtually endless parallel universes, where every little detail of my current life changes slightly or completely, that renders my existence here ultimately pointless, and does nothing but fuel a Nihilistic thinking, where anything I do will just be lost in the maelstrom of dimensions. Doesn't it?

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    That's because we can't 'see' outside of our own universe to discover if other universes exist. It's as if we're all locked in a large room together with no windows or means of communication, and asking ourselves if there's anything or anyone outside....
    1. Do you agree that Feynman's explanation is a bit of circular reasoning? If I remember correctly, he created his explanation for no other reason that to explain the results of the Double Slit experiment, and the evidence for his explanation is that it explains the experimental result???

    2. When the wave function collapses in our Universe, should that not affect the other Universes? If it does, should we not be able to detect their collapsing wave functions?

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    That's because we can't 'see' outside of our own universe to discover if other universes exist. It's as if we're all locked in a large room together with no windows or means of communication, and asking ourselves if there's anything or anyone outside....
    1. Do you agree that Feynman's explanation is a bit of circular reasoning? If I remember correctly, he created his explanation for no other reason that to explain the results of the Double Slit experiment, and the evidence for his explanation is that it explains the experimental result???
    Made me laugh... yes, in a way that's true.

    Quote Posted by Neptune7 (here)
    2. When the wave function collapses in our Universe, should that not affect the other Universes? If it does, should we not be able to detect their collapsing wave functions?
    Maybe! But I confess I have no real idea how to know that.

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